AussieObserver Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Didn't expect Ricciardo to qualify P4. Looks like he still has some speed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi Skacel Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Another boring race. Not long till March and the hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, Rudi Skacel said: Another boring race. Not long till March and the hope. First lap incident, red flag and a restart, Norris driving like a man possessed, and loads of dicing for places through the field? Boring at the very front but the rest of the race had loads going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Dave Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Superb drives from max lando and Danny Riccardo. Great race overall plenty of happenings. Cruise control by super max 🇱🇺❤️❤️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Mexico predicted to be boring was brilliant. Brazil, normally an exciting race, great at the start great finish by Alonso, the rest, probably the worst Brazilian GP ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Dave Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 6 hours ago, H2 said: Mexico predicted to be boring was brilliant. Brazil, normally an exciting race, great at the start great finish by Alonso, the rest, probably the worst Brazilian GP ever. Red bull Saturday and Sunday stroll for the 3 time world champion. That's what I call a delightful weekend of racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsmak Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 If Max wasn't about - this would have been the best season ever - There would be so many people in contention to win it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 On 29/10/2023 at 22:16, Tazio said: First lap incident, red flag and a restart, Norris driving like a man possessed, and loads of dicing for places through the field? Boring at the very front but the rest of the race had loads going on. All well and good folk going toe to toe for 12th place but most would probably prefer the racing at the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 20 hours ago, Bigsmak said: If Max wasn't about - this would have been the best season ever - There would be so many people in contention to win it It's the car that is the success, put any top driver in that car and it would be a walk in the park. Put Max in any other car and he wouldn't be winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 19 minutes ago, H2 said: It's the car that is the success, put any top driver in that car and it would be a walk in the park. Put Max in any other car and he wouldn't be winning. Similar to Hamilton in the Mercedes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 23 minutes ago, Tazio said: Similar to Hamilton in the Mercedes. To an extent, but at least Hamilton had team mates that were allowed to challenge him and race him. Also there has never been a car that is so far ahead as this RedBull. But at least the McLarens are getting better, maybe they'll come good next season, I hope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsmak Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 3 hours ago, H2 said: It's the car that is the success, put any top driver in that car and it would be a walk in the park. Put Max in any other car and he wouldn't be winning. So is max's team mate second every race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 56 minutes ago, Bigsmak said: So is max's team mate second every race? You don't know, I take it you don't follow the sport then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsmak Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 27 minutes ago, H2 said: You don't know, I take it you don't follow the sport then? I do and he hasn't ... so its not all the car - (I was trying to make that point) - Anyway - Max is Great, if not destined to be the the greatest ever - The car he has is the best - And if you take him away from this year entirely - its been a great season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bigsmak said: I do and he hasn't ... so its not all the car - (I was trying to make that point) - Anyway - Max is Great, if not destined to be the the greatest ever - The car he has is the best - And if you take him away from this year entirely - its been a great season I would suggest you might be Max blinkered. The car he has is so far ahead of every other car on the grid it beggars belief. I can't say why Perez is not up there, he was at the start of the season... but then? He won his first title in the best car, but because the rules were not followed we all know what happened, extremely disappointing. He has a good bit to go before you can put him in the greatest ever category along with Senna, Prost, Hamilton, Schumacher. Would be nice to see a good driver in the red bull allowed to race with him, I think he'd resort to his temperament issues if challenged. I confess to being McLaren blinkered, been a while since McLaren were up there, but two top drivers there, IMO both of them would beat Verstappen in the same car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Dave Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 6 hours ago, H2 said: It's the car that is the success, put any top driver in that car and it would be a walk in the park. Put Max in any other car and he wouldn't be winning. Max wins Singapore in the mclaren or mercedes when behind sainz. Perez can't handle the pressure of delivering a title himself that's where he falls away to max. Put max in that Merc and put Lewis in the red bull and max would be closer to 1st than what Lewis Is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) Sergio Perez is a thoroughly decent F1 driver. Does the car suit him, probably not but he's not some Latifi character. If the car was so spectacular, he'd be strolling 2nd each week like Bottas in a Mercedes. Max has the potential to usurp Hamilton in terms of wins. Lewis's pedigree gives him a claim to best driver on the grid, Max has a claim on current form alone. None of the others come close. It's all a bit of a moot point though, there's absolutely nothing stopping the other teams making competitive cars so I don't really get the ire towards Red Bull for doing the best job. Edited November 8, 2023 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsmak Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 5 hours ago, H2 said: I would suggest you might be Max blinkered. The car he has is so far ahead of every other car on the grid it beggars belief. I can't say why Perez is not up there, he was at the start of the season... but then? I've only started really respecting Max this season - I knew he was good - I am not a fan --- I'm a Lando Fanboy - and i've always shouted for Lewis - But he just does not do anything wrong, Qualifying, Sprints, Races - He doesn't miss a corner, doesn't wear his tyres, doesn't make mistakes - He is a machine - I saw footage of him going into a spin in rain the other day (from years ago) and he just calmly keeps his head and brings the car under control and keeps racing - I wasn't a fan of him as I thought he used dirty cheating tactics in corners with Lewis to get his nose ahead, and claim he was in front even though he could never break in time and be allowed to put Lewis off track... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 On 08/11/2023 at 18:35, Seaside Dave said: Max wins Singapore in the mclaren or mercedes when behind sainz. Perez can't handle the pressure of delivering a title himself that's where he falls away to max. Put max in that Merc and put Lewis in the red bull and max would be closer to 1st than what Lewis Is I doubt it very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamb0_1874 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 On 08/11/2023 at 12:09, H2 said: It's the car that is the success. The same is true throughout the recent histories of F1. Would Hamilton, Schumacher or Vettel all have had as many titles as they do if they weren't in completely dominant cars for spells of their careers. Jenson Button is another classic example in his Brawn, which was just miles ahead of the rest for a big part of the season. As for Max's temperament, I think he has matured a lot over the last two or three years, off course he will still have moments where old max shows up and it will be interesting to see how he handles that the more he is put under pressure by the competition but you listen to some of the comments from Hamilton over his team radio when the chips are down and you realise he isn't the only driver with temperament issues..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, jamb0_1874 said: The same is true throughout the recent histories of F1. Would Hamilton, Schumacher or Vettel all have had as many titles as they do if they weren't in completely dominant cars for spells of their careers. Jenson Button is another classic example in his Brawn, which was just miles ahead of the rest for a big part of the season. As for Max's temperament, I think he has matured a lot over the last two or three years, off course he will still have moments where old max shows up and it will be interesting to see how he handles that the more he is put under pressure by the competition but you listen to some of the comments from Hamilton over his team radio when the chips are down and you realise he isn't the only driver with temperament issues..... 100% the car is the greatest part of the equation. There are differences though in that Vettel and Hamilton had others in the same car that were allowed to compete with them. They proved themselves in competition. Schumacher was exceptional in the parts he played not only in driving but in development and being an integral part of the team. Even Senna struggled in inferior cars. The real key to Red Bu;;s and Verstappen's winning is Adrian Newey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamb0_1874 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 minute ago, H2 said: 100% the car is the greatest part of the equation. There are differences though in that Vettel and Hamilton had others in the same car that were allowed to compete with them. They proved themselves in competition. Schumacher was exceptional in the parts he played not only in driving but in development and being an integral part of the team. Even Senna struggled in inferior cars. The real key to Red Bu;;s and Verstappen's winning is Adrian Newey. I'm not sure I get your competing with them comment. Are you saying that Red Bull don't want their drivers competing but Mercedes and Red Bull, in a former life, were happy for their drivers to fight it out on track? or that there is a gulf in quality between Verstappen and Perez meaning they aren't able to compete, where as Hamilton & Bottas / Vettel & Webber were closer matched? There is no arguing about Adrian Newey, what he has achieved in the sport is nothing short of phenomenal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Not so much Bottas, I never got why Mercedes signed him, but certainly Rosberg, top driver and competed very hard with Hamilton , and beat him one year, At the beginning of this season Perez competed and beat Verstappen, then all of a sudden - boom - he's not competing. Suspect? They say it's in his mind! Yes I am saying RedBull don't want Perez competing with Verstappen. Yes I am saying Red Bull and merc (and others) did let their drivers compete, probably until Vers arrived, he's like the RB protected child. The answer, get Newey back to McLaren. (It's all DC's fault he went to RB) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 The Vegas marketing in overdrive now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 10/11/2023 at 15:04, hughesie27 said: The Vegas marketing in overdrive now. Lots of gripes on YouTube videos about the organisation of it. Over priced hotel rooms that people booked a long time ago that can now be booked for a fraction of the price due to lack of interest. And the race is at midnight as the casinos don’t want people not in the casinos if the race is earlier. With the added problem of tyre temperature as the track temperature will be way down at that time of night and the teams are very nervous about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) The Disney+ documentary about Brawn F1 has started streaming today. One glorious season, one driver’s championship, one manufacturer’s championship. And then bought and rebranded as Mercedes. Edited November 15, 2023 by Tazio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 The Brawn thing is really good, I didn’t realise how hard a time they had of it. And one of the big things you notice is that even at 93 Bernie Ecclestone is still a slippery elusive little sod. Love him or hate him you have to admire him in a strange way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Practice cut short due to drain covers being vacuumed up as the cars pass over. Ocon and Sainz cars shredded underneath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 The 2nd question. The Show must go on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 There's a hole in the road. The officials are looking into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi Skacel Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Farcical decision to say that Sainz will now get a penalty because he is over his power unit limit. The only reason he is now over it was due to the damage caused by the loose drain cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Rudi Skacel said: Farcical decision to say that Sainz will now get a penalty because he is over his power unit limit. The only reason he is now over it was due to the damage caused by the loose drain cover. Not only that, they kicked out all the fans before FP2, due to "logistics". Some had paid up to $900 for tickets. It has been one mess after another. Are we sure Neil Doncaster is not running it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckies1874 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 7 hours ago, milky_26 said: Not only that, they kicked out all the fans before FP2, due to "logistics". Some had paid up to $900 for tickets. It has been one mess after another. Are we sure Neil Doncaster is not running it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Luckies1874 said: Seen a video on this. They have security there to stop this from happening. Which is why in the video you only see them use the escalator once. The temp bridge that they just used to get over to that escalator also has stickers on the glass sides to stop people stopping and looking over the track too. Edited November 17, 2023 by hughesie27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Pretty bad look for Vegas. I don't see why they need this circus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 18 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: Pretty bad look for Vegas. I don't see why they need this circus. I'm scunnered with street circuits at the best of times. Another American pageant race isn't something I can be bothered with. Plenty great tracks in the US. Why not use them? Austin is potentially one of my favourites of the calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, BlueRiver said: I'm scunnered with street circuits at the best of times. Another American pageant race isn't something I can be bothered with. Plenty great tracks in the US. Why not use them? Austin is potentially one of my favourites of the calendar. I’d love to see them going down the corkscrew at Laguna Seca. Terrifying watching the MotoGP guys charging down that with the throttle wide open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Just now, Tazio said: I’d love to see them going down the corkscrew at Laguna Seca. Terrifying watching the MotoGP guys charging down that with the throttle wide open. Oooft I hadn't even considered that! I had a return to Watkins Glen in mind. Laguna Seca could be interesting. Would give the West of America a race as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oda be a JT Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Up early for the Vegas qualifying! Thought I’d have to watch it on Fanawaw (don’t pay for sky sports and no dodgy stick but seems it’s on Sky Showcase (which I think is free)? only downer is I thought it was 6am, sure I seen that’s when the race is on tomorrow but naw it’s 7am programme start with qualifying at 8am - happy to be corrected! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Oda be a JT said: Up early for the Vegas qualifying! Thought I’d have to watch it on Fanawaw (don’t pay for sky sports and no dodgy stick but seems it’s on Sky Showcase (which I think is free)? only downer is I thought it was 6am, sure I seen that’s when the race is on tomorrow but naw it’s 7am programme start with qualifying at 8am - happy to be corrected! The race is at 6 tomorrow. Qualifying 8 today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 9 hours ago, Tazio said: I’d love to see them going down the corkscrew at Laguna Seca. Terrifying watching the MotoGP guys charging down that with the throttle wide open. 9 hours ago, BlueRiver said: Oooft I hadn't even considered that! I had a return to Watkins Glen in mind. Laguna Seca could be interesting. Would give the West of America a race as well! Would also require smaller cars...which would be good too! Win, win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 This race is just a joke now. Sainz getting a 10 place pen because the track isnt fit for purpose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oda be a JT Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 41 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: The race is at 6 tomorrow. Qualifying 8 today. Cheers bud, alarm changed back!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oda be a JT Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) After Q1 we could be looking at an interestIng grid for tomorrow - McLarens already at the back end and Sainz going to be at least 11th!! (Potential for a lot of grid pens too) Edited November 18, 2023 by Oda be a JT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Yes! Go on Williams! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 17/11/2023 at 10:48, Rudi Skacel said: Farcical decision to say that Sainz will now get a penalty because he is over his power unit limit. The only reason he is now over it was due to the damage caused by the loose drain cover. The extremes of farcical. Wrap a ribbon round and give Verstappen his first word title on a whim of thought by an FIA official, and leave it. Punish a driver for hitting a dangerous manhole cover missed by the FIA, with plenty time to think about it. One day, ah we don't need to apply the rules, another, we have to apply them to the letter of the law! Sainz penalty is an embarrassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 17/11/2023 at 10:48, Rudi Skacel said: Farcical decision to say that Sainz will now get a penalty because he is over his power unit limit. The only reason he is now over it was due to the damage caused by the loose drain cover. Spot on, RS. Terrible decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 8 hours ago, Shanks said: This race is just a joke now. Sainz getting a 10 place pen because the track isnt fit for purpose The Mercs were threatening to appeal against any leniency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 5 hours ago, I P Knightley said: The Mercs were threatening to appeal against any leniency. Or to rephrase that, once again Toto proves himself to be an insufferable petty cock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Dave Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Tazio said: Or to rephrase that, once again Toto proves himself to be an insufferable petty cock. No Michael no no that is so not right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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