Irving - signs for SK Austria Klagenfurt ( updated )

[Cruyff]

Irving will be on a reserve wage i'd imagine because that is where he was when Hearts gave him a new deal.

 

Clearly he has come a long way since then and is now a first team player. So surely we can make him a realistic offer which reflects his new status in the side and also takes into account if he keeps developing at the speed he has, at 22-23 yr old, he's going to be one of our key players, if he isn't already. 

 

Obviously we can't offer him silly money, it has to be realistic but I'm sure we can make him a very good offer which reflects his potential and importance to the team.  I personally think the boys class and is a player that we should be doing everything to keep hold of for the long term because if he keeps developing at the rate he is, he'll be magnificent and will earn us a fortune. He's only 20 and he's already bossing games at senior level and he's only going to get better. 

 

[DS98]

1 hour ago, Riccarton3 said:

Are you comparing Irving with Cochrane at this time?

No I’m comparing the situation. Cochrane was the last big breakthrough youngster. And some would’ve handed him a 5 year deal and a blank cheque. He now can’t get anywhere near the team and will fall down the leagues. 

[StevenNaismith]

I spoke to someone who knows what’s going on this morning and put to him the posts that were put on here last night regarding offers lower than current deal or same money on a 4.5 year deal and he laughed. Said an agreement isn’t far away, just a few things going back and forward on both sides.

[JimmyCant]

2 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Irving will be on a reserve wage i'd imagine because that is where he was when Hearts gave him a new deal.

 

Clearly he has come a long way since then and is now a first team player. So surely we can make him a realistic offer which reflects his new status in the side and also takes into account if he keeps developing at the speed he has, at 22-23 yr old, he's going to be one of our key players, if he isn't already. 

 

Obviously we can't offer him silly money, it has to be realistic but I'm sure we can make him a very good offer which reflects his potential and importance to the team.  I personally think the boys class and is a player that we should be doing everything to keep hold of for the long term because if he keeps developing at the rate he is, he'll be magnificent and will earn us a fortune. He's only 20 and he's already bossing games at senior level and he's only going to get better. 

 

Stop listening to people who claim to know we’ve offered Irving a pittance. It’s highly unlikely to be true 

[Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine]

3 minutes ago, DS98 said:

No I’m comparing the situation. Cochrane was the last big breakthrough youngster. And some would’ve handed him a 5 year deal and a blank cheque. He now can’t get anywhere near the team and will fall down the leagues. 

 

Still would have been pretty happy with that deal, as having talented young players under contract is the best way to maximise transfer revenue. Cochrane hasn't worked out how we'd have hoped but we need to tie down our best assets on long contracts.

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

Not sure when Irving became quite so good. I like him and hope we make him a fair offer,  but seriously hope he isn't believing his own press, far from indispensable. 

 

Before his mate's attack me, genuinely hope he does get a good offer but he also has to be realistic on what he has achieved to date.

[Dia Liom]

If we've offered Irving a terrible contract it's a disgrace - Budge oot!

 

If not, good.

[DS98]

1 hour ago, upgotheheads said:

 

There's no comparison. HC was 16 when he came through, and had a handful of decent games, anyone could see that he would have been an unacceptable risk. Irving is 4 years older and turns in excellent performances week in week out.

No. No he doesn’t. 
 

He wasn’t even a first pick until it became obvious Haring is still struggling. He has been the standout midfielder in a few games as the rest (Lee, Halliday, Haring) have been disappointing to say the least. 
 

Someone at Andy Irving’s stage in development should be offered a fair salary at the moment. Once he has helped us gain promotion and has had a full year in the top league then re-visit it. 

[Phil D. Corners]

52 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

No he just doesn’t. He was shite on Saturday past. He’s been shite quite a lot. Folk going overboard on him because he was mercurial against 10 man Raith Rovers FFS

 

Irving isn’t ready to play first team football at a higher level than Hearts in the SPL. Someone needs to tell him that before he makes a huge mistake by getting ahead of himself, like countless others have done.

He was being man marked on Saturday. It shows how far he’s come that the opposition dedicate a man to stop him. 
 

I won’t hide that I’m a massive Irving fan. I think he’s just getting better and better and learning all the time. His mistakes are getting fewer and fewer as gets more game time. 
 

I think he’s already proven himself in big games last season including games against the old firm. 
 

Our benefactor Anderson made a fortune investing in Tesla early as he believed Elon would succeed. I’m all in on Irving as I believe in him and risk is low. 

[DS98]

7 minutes ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said:

 

Still would have been pretty happy with that deal, as having talented young players under contract is the best way to maximise transfer revenue. Cochrane hasn't worked out how we'd have hoped but we need to tie down our best assets on long contracts.

You’d be happy with Harry Cochrane being in 5/6k a week? Just checking I’m reading that right. 

[jr ewing]

Just now, DS98 said:

You’d be happy with Harry Cochrane being in 5/6k a week? Just checking I’m reading that right. 

Best comparison is Hickey and Irving. 

[upgotheheads]

2 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Not sure when Irving became quite so good. I like him and hope we make him a fair offer,  but seriously hope he isn't believing his own press, far from indispensable. 

 

Before his mate's attack me, genuinely hope he does get a good offer but he also has to be realistic on what he has achieved to date.

 

I'm basing my opinion of Irving on about 60 years of watching Hearts. Is he the best player in Scottish football or that Hearts have had in that time? Of course not, but he's one of the best passers of a ball I have seen in that time at any club in Scottish football. I don't think he'll be with us  much longer whatever happens, but I do want to see him for a year or two more, and then leave for around £10 million.

[Riccarton3]

25 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

We’d pay him what we can afford and make sure there is a sell on clause when we sell him for as much as we can get, like we’re clearly trying do with Irving.

 

We don’t have the resources to pay a ‘genius’ 8k, 12k, 20k a week. Any genius we raise isn’t going to be with us very long. 

And if we can afford to pay him above the other players we do it. That was all. That removes the rigidity.

[DS98]

5 minutes ago, upgotheheads said:

 

I'm basing my opinion of Irving on about 60 years of watching Hearts. Is he the best player in Scottish football or that Hearts have had in that time? Of course not, but he's one of the best passers of a ball I have seen in that time at any club in Scottish football. I don't think he'll be with us  much longer whatever happens, but I do want to see him for a year or two more, and then leave for around £10 million.

😂. I’m out

[Cruyff]

13 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

Stop listening to people who claim to know we’ve offered Irving a pittance. It’s highly unlikely to be true 

I've never believed that to be the case. 

I'm sure we've offered him better terms than what he is currently on but whether they reflect his current status may not be the case, perhaps that is why we have made another offer. 

[Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine]

4 minutes ago, DS98 said:

You’d be happy with Harry Cochrane being in 5/6k a week? Just checking I’m reading that right. 

 

When did I say that? I said I'd have been happy at the time if we had signed him to 5 year deal. It's the sort of deal that works in the clubs favour if the player develops into a real star. The talk of making Irving the top earner at the club is silly, but we 100% should be looking to pay a premium to tie him down long term.

[Sub4TiddlerMurray]

35 minutes ago, iwasthere1954 said:

I would imagine multi millions to be away above what any Scottish player would raise. I don't know what he could be sold for but what's the figure in your mind.

 

Multi literally means more than one and that's what I mean't

 

I think, once he tightens up his ball retention and defending - he'll sell for anything over £6m (based on the kind of money that Nesbit, Cosgrove and Lyndon Dykes were associated with).

[Cruyff]

Just now, DS98 said:

😂. I’m out

I think that price is a bit excessive but he could be seven figures to us in the future. 

 

He needs to add more goals for distance and work on his freekicks. If he can become a dead ball specialist, that would add a fair whack onto his value. 

[Sub4TiddlerMurray]

7 minutes ago, upgotheheads said:

 

I'm basing my opinion of Irving on about 60 years of watching Hearts. Is he the best player in Scottish football or that Hearts have had in that time? Of course not, but he's one of the best passers of a ball I have seen in that time at any club in Scottish football. I don't think he'll be with us  much longer whatever happens, but I do want to see him for a year or two more, and then leave for around £10 million.

 

 

I agree

[Riccarton3]

As said, money could well be NOT the key here. 

 

I admire RN work ethic and professionalism  but I would not class him as a coach that would best help AI develop. And Andy must know that too.  Just depends if he is able to compromise and accept another couple if years at Hearts. May be encouraged at least by new signings. 

 

Neilson is the level of coach we have. It's not his fault. 

Edited February 2, 2021 by Riccarton3

[upgotheheads]

3 minutes ago, Sub4TiddlerMurray said:

 

Multi literally means more than one and that's what I mean't

 

I think, once he tightens up his ball retention and defending - he'll sell for anything over £6m (based on the kind of money that Nesbit, Cosgrove and Lyndon Dykes were associated with).

 

He's a far better player than any of those.

[HoGwash]

45 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

Yes is the short answer, but no one except the fake ITK mob knows what he’s been offered and how that compares with the players you named. Whatever they are on, is the ballpark he should be on.

 

There are people on this forum  muddying the waters about what Irving may or may not have been offered. Feck knows what they are trying to achieve by doing that. one in particular needs help after the counter productive garbage he posted yesterday 

I agree, which is why I tried to make a player comparison rather than plucking figures out my bahookie, which seems all too common.

[JimmyCant]

6 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

I've never believed that to be the case. 

I'm sure we've offered him better terms than what he is currently on but whether they reflect his current status may not be the case, perhaps that is why we have made another offer. 

What is the source of this ‘made another offer’ stuff ? I may be wrong but didn’t RN simply state that we’ve made an offer and we’re waiting to hear back ?

[scott herbertson]

37 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said:

What should the club do if they unearth an absolute genius. A Scottish Messi. Pay him no more than the rest? The model needs to have flex if it is a model designed to maximise income from an academy

 

 

I agree

 

It's a subjective judgement though.

 

After the 4-0 thrashing I would have offered Harry(Scottyinmapocket) Cochrane a mega 5 year deal on the assumption we'd be raking it in in a couple of years time

 

I'd certainly say Irving should be offered at least as much as the average first team player. Not sure about more than that at present, and as demonstrated with HC, I'm maybe not the best judge in any case

[Cruyff]

8 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

What is the source of this ‘made another offer’ stuff ? I may be wrong but didn’t RN simply state that we’ve made an offer and we’re waiting to hear back ?

Hearts offer a second and improved contract to Andy Irving | Edinburgh News (scotsman.com)

 

"Negotiations are ongoing with the 20-year-old, whose current deal expires at the end of the season. He has developed into a key midfield player this term and fans are eager for him to stay. Hearts offered him a contract earlier this month and he responded with a counter offer. Tynecastle officials have now put forward a second proposal with more lucrative terms."

[HoGwash]

31 minutes ago, StevenNaismith said:

I spoke to someone who knows what’s going on this morning and put to him the posts that were put on here last night regarding offers lower than current deal or same money on a 4.5 year deal and he laughed. Said an agreement isn’t far away, just a few things going back and forward on both sides.

I hope this is true. The posters who have claimed that Hearts have only made one (small) offer that was rejected are not generally in the group of raving mentalists that I know to ignore so I have no reason to doubt that's what they've been told. I hope that either their source is misinformed or it is simply out of date information and things have moved on.

[OTT]

34 minutes ago, StevenNaismith said:

I spoke to someone who knows what’s going on this morning and put to him the posts that were put on here last night regarding offers lower than current deal or same money on a 4.5 year deal and he laughed. Said an agreement isn’t far away, just a few things going back and forward on both sides.

 

Really hope so, its been some length of discussions. 

[Colonel Kurtz]

Irving is a good prospect...only that,

Could he play in a 2 in our favoured formation in the SPL currently probably not but the potential is there ,is he good enough to change formation to  accomodate his deficiencies much like Stevey Fulton with Salvatori and Cameron possibly.

He is being over hyped on here by some of his mates

[upgotheheads]

6 minutes ago, scott herbertson said:

 

 

I agree

 

It's a subjective judgement though.

 

After the 4-0 thrashing I would have offered Harry(Scottyinmapocket) Cochrane a mega 5 year deal on the assumption we'd be raking it in in a couple of years time

 

I'd certainly say Irving should be offered at least as much as the average first team player. Not sure about more than that at present, and as demonstrated with HC, I'm maybe not the best judge in any case

 

There's no equivalence between the 20 year old Irving and  the 16 year-old schoolboy that was Harry Cochrane, physically, mentally or style and position of play. Just watch the way Irving is shouting and pointing instructions to other players for a start.

Also, I haven't written-off HC. He could still make it big but he's a completely different style of player from Irving

[Riccarton3]

10 minutes ago, scott herbertson said:

 

 

I agree

 

It's a subjective judgement though.

 

After the 4-0 thrashing I would have offered Harry(Scottyinmapocket) Cochrane a mega 5 year deal on the assumption we'd be raking it in in a couple of years time

 

I'd certainly say Irving should be offered at least as much as the average first team player. Not sure about more than that at present, and as demonstrated with HC, I'm maybe not the best judge in any case

I can see people  using Cochrane as an example\comparison but I think its pretty flimsy. Both emotionally and physically the players seem to differ substantially

[HoGwash]

4 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Irving is a good prospect...only that,

Could he play in a 2 in our favoured formation in the SPL currently probably not but the potential is there ,is he good enough to change formation to  accomodate his deficiencies much like Stevey Fulton with Salvatori and Cameron possibly.

He is being over hyped on here by some of his mates

Not sure why people that are talking Irving up are being called his mates. I simply think he's a terrific player who will get better and is a type of player that I like to watch, especially in a Hearts jersey.

I'm not his mate and I have never met him, his family or any of his real mates.

[JimmyCant]

5 minutes ago, HoGwash said:

I hope this is true. The posters who have claimed that Hearts have only made one (small) offer that was rejected are not generally in the group of raving mentalists that I know to ignore so I have no reason to doubt that's what they've been told. I hope that either their source is misinformed or it is simply out of date information and things have moved on.

See if you’re placing any credibility on people who were posting last night claiming to know intimate details of a contract negotiation then you’ll have an issue arriving at an opinion. They don’t know, they haven’t been told a thing(true, false or otherwise) by those that do know. They are making it up for the simple base aim of 15 minutes of fame. They are essentially pathetic individuals with a need that some are feeding 

[scott herbertson]

4 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said:

I can see people  using Cochrane as an example\comparison but I think its pretty flimsy. Both emotionally and physically the players seem to differ substantially

 

 

They do - my comparison wasn't about style or physique, just perceived worth. On the basis of his early games Cochrane looked to me a future multi million pound player 

 

Clearly I was probably wrong.

 

I think on the basis of his recent games Irving is a future multi million pound player

 

I might be wrong again - a 5 year contract on £250K would be a big gamble unless we are pretty sure.

 

(I also thought on the basis of their first games that Harry Kinnear mightbe hte new Willie Bauld and that Kevin Hegarty was the new Donald Ford). On the basis of his first game for Hearts I thought Pressley was a donkey.

[gowestjambo]

A Player we should try to keep if possible. However, Has ever controlled a a game for 90 minutes? Does get stuck in when we are being over run in midfield ? I think the hype is a little over the top for Irving. He is not indispensible.

[HoGwash]

Just now, JimmyCant said:

See if you’re placing any credibility on people who were posting last night claiming to know intimate details of a contract negotiation then you’ll have an issue arriving at an opinion. They don’t know, they haven’t been told a thing(true, false or otherwise) by those that do know. They are making it up for the simple base aim of 15 minutes of fame. They are essentially pathetic individuals with a need that some are feeding 

I wasn't referring to the post that I think you're alluding to. There were 2 or 3 people who claimed to know that only 1 offer had been made but weren't suggesting it was less than he's currently on. I think @buzzbomb was one, I'd be interested to know if he's heard anything further.

[scott herbertson]

11 minutes ago, upgotheheads said:

 

There's no equivalence between the 20 year old Irving and  the 16 year-old schoolboy that was Harry Cochrane, physically, mentally or style and position of play. Just watch the way Irving is shouting and pointing instructions to other players for a start.

Also, I haven't written-off HC. He could still make it big but he's a completely different style of player from Irving

 

 

I agree -  I was talking about perceived potential value only

[Jambof3tornado]

I assume Andy knows the next move away could be the biggest he ever makes so any deal he signs must not put off any bigger clubs coming in for him.

 

Its not as easy as just thinking he's being greedy and wants £xxx a week.

 

I wouldnt break the bank for him just yet, good potential, no more no less.

 

[Colonel Kurtz]

Was thinking about who Irving reminds me off  its Huddlestone,like him he might find out that quarterbacking doesnt fit in the modern game 

 

[Riccarton3]

1 minute ago, HoGwash said:

I wasn't referring to the post that I think you're alluding to. There were 2 or 3 people who claimed to know that only 1 offer had been made but weren't suggesting it was less than he's currently on. I think @buzzbomb was one, I'd be interested to know if he's heard anything further.

Aye. miss Buzz bombs one sentence revelations....

[JimmyCant]

6 minutes ago, HoGwash said:

I wasn't referring to the post that I think you're alluding to. There were 2 or 3 people who claimed to know that only 1 offer had been made but weren't suggesting it was less than he's currently on. I think @buzzbomb was one, I'd be interested to know if he's heard anything further.

Okay mate, you crack on and listen to people who cannot possibly know and I’ll wait and see if he signs or doesn’t sign. We’ll both know for sure at exactly the same time

Edited February 2, 2021 by JimmyCant

[Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine]

2 minutes ago, gowestjambo said:

A Player we should try to keep if possible. However, Has ever controlled a a game for 90 minutes? Does get stuck in when we are being over run in midfield ? I think the hype is a little over the top for Irving. He is not indispensible.

 

To answer your questions:

 

Yes, several including being the only central midfielder at the club capable of dictating the tempo of the game.

 

Not as much as you'd like, but hasn't had a partner in midfield to cover for that side of his game.

 

He's a great young player, with room to improve. The hype is fair imo. He is not indispensable but it would be difficult to replace him and he is an asset that we should not be losing for free.

[Sub4TiddlerMurray]

As 

1 minute ago, Jambof3tornado said:

I assume Andy knows the next move away could be the biggest he ever makes so any deal he signs must not put off any bigger clubs coming in for him.

 

Its not as easy as just thinking he's being greedy and wants £xxx a week.

 

I wouldnt break the bank for him just yet, good potential, no more no less.

 

 

 

As soon as he starts playing in the SPFL again (if all goes well and he re-signs) his value will shoot up. That 'wand' of his - and scoring ability - will trouble a lot of teams.

[Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine]

3 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Was thinking about who Irving reminds me off  its Huddlestone,like him he might find out that quarterbacking doesnt fit in the modern game 

 

 

Tell that to Huddlestone's multi-million pound bank account and 4 caps for England.

[alwaysthereinspirit]

4 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Hearts offer a second and improved contract to Andy Irving | Edinburgh News (scotsman.com)

 

"Negotiations are ongoing with the 20-year-old, whose current deal expires at the end of the season. He has developed into a key midfield player this term and fans are eager for him to stay. Hearts offered him a contract earlier this month and he responded with a counter offer. Tynecastle officials have now put forward a second proposal with more lucrative terms."

Hearts obviously have a tight budget. That then leads to a fixed number of max contracts allowed. Irving will be offered only what Hearts can afford. Unfortunately fans don’t care about numbers when a favorite looks like he’s being low balled. If Hearts max is 5000 per week and Irving and his team want 7500 then what do Hearts do? “Give him what he wants” is not good business sense. We’ll never know numbers discussed but if he goes to another team and his agent then tells us Hearts wouldn’t meet their demands Hearts will be ridiculed on here. Not by me though.

I hope he signs but we can’t just pay what they ask for to appease JKB posters.

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

4 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Was thinking about who Irving reminds me off  its Huddlestone,like him he might find out that quarterbacking doesnt fit in the modern game 

 

Probably get away with that at Celtic or Rangers not so sure we can afford a player to specifically do that. 

 

Up a level next year, can he do it?

 

Its not a given, not a shoe in to my team. 

 

Funny enough though I had almost the opposite argument last year,  when people were dissing him, we did better when he played. 

 

But I have not been enamored with our midfield players for years now,  still a problem for me, and that is where I think the talk is exaggerated how good he is, just as it seemed to sail over people's heads he was one of our better ones last season. 

 

The bar is quite low though imo. Defensively we are weak in part to the brittle nature of midfield 

[EIEIO]

Irving is not the finished article but is certainly getting there. His second half performance at Dundee was head and shoulders above any of the experience pros around him , not to mention an out of sorts Haring whom he replaced.

Simple comparison between his corner kicks and those of Naismith for example show his worth.

First team player therefore he should be offered first team wages.

[Riccarton3]

12 minutes ago, alwaysthereinspirit said:

Hearts obviously have a tight budget. That then leads to a fixed number of max contracts allowed. Irving will be offered only what Hearts can afford. Unfortunately fans don’t care about numbers when a favorite looks like he’s being low balled. If Hearts max is 5000 per week and Irving and his team want 7500 then what do Hearts do? “Give him what he wants” is not good business sense. We’ll never know numbers discussed but if he goes to another team and his agent then tells us Hearts wouldn’t meet their demands Hearts will be ridiculed on here. Not by me though.

I hope he signs but we can’t just pay what they ask for to appease JKB posters.

The sad fact is the waste spent on dross with it seems little care leaves us unable to be as flexible as we would wish when one of our own cones knocking. Do they not understand  the impact of recruiting projects and misfits on being able to retain their young prospects?  Maybe there is reason to ridicule

Edited February 2, 2021 by Riccarton3

[TheBigO]

1 hour ago, JimmyCant said:

Okay so we offer him a deal based on the potential being realised rather based on 40 games, more than half of which he’s been anonymous in. To my mind he’s played less than 10 decent games and 1 recent outstanding game. You don’t pay potential at the top of your scale. You pay finished articles who are contributing week in week out at the top of your scale. And you definitely don’t pay him more. 

 

Then, when English clubs have shown they are willing to hoover up potential, and continental clubs are now doing similar with Scottish talent, you never secure "potential".  Yeah the boy/lads need to understand they probably won't be on Craig Gordon/Steven Naismith money.  That's easy enough - count their caps.  Count their medals.  They need to be shown a very, very clear path to get there, possibly even within the presented contract.

 

My usual caveat in these things - I don't know that Hearts haven't done that.

 

And Andy Irving is beyond "potential" now.  If you don't see that, you couldn't pick out a player any more than you could a snotter oot yer beak.

 

1 hour ago, JimmyCant said:

No he just doesn’t. He was shite on Saturday past. He’s been shite quite a lot. Folk going overboard on him because he was mercurial against 10 man Raith Rovers FFS

 

Irving isn’t ready to play first team football at a higher level than Hearts in the SPL. Someone needs to tell him that before he makes a huge mistake by getting ahead of himself, like countless others have done.

That is revisionism to suit agenda.  He was far from shite on Saturday.  He had nothing in front of him as Boyce was up top on his own in the 1st half and our wide men just didn't or couldn't show for the ball.  He also had Naismith constantly occupying his space in the centre circle, both restricting his own 10 yard movement, which he's excellent at, and also reducing his options when he did pick up the ball from the CHs.  The shape of the team was completely incorrect.  That isn't Andy's fault and despite it, you could see he was battling and plugging away, trying to keep tempo, and he was also directing traffic a bit - something I've noticed coming in to his game now too.

 

And against a 10 man Raith Rovers.... erm, we were pretty well on top by then and AI had dictated the play to get us 2 up.

 

A new CM partner with legs and grit, and some movement ahead and i'm sure Andy will show he's way past potential stage for Hearts.  On a "beyond Hearts" stage, he has every bit as much potential than Hickey, imo.  Obv a couple years older, but that means nowt.

 

I don't know about you - you give the impression you know what you're talking about and I think somewhere in there you do - but it's all presented black and white and factually.  Everyone else is wrong.

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

7 minutes ago, EIEIO said:

Irving is not the finished article but is certainly getting there. His second half performance at Dundee was head and shoulders above any of the experience pros around him , not to mention an out of sorts Haring whom he replaced.

Simple comparison between his corner kicks and those of Naismith for example show his worth.

First team player therefore he should be offered first team wages.

He should certainly be on a first team wage. 

 

I wonder how they grade these things,  as ordinary as some of the experienced players have been of late, they are international caps and therefore come at a price. I guess Andy should be compared to Halkett or Haring 

[Lone Striker]

57 minutes ago, Sub4TiddlerMurray said:

 

Multi literally means more than one and that's what I mean't

 

I think, once he tightens up his ball retention and defending - he'll sell for anything over £6m (based on the kind of money that Nesbit, Cosgrove and Lyndon Dykes were associated with).

Perhaps temper that a bit by  acknowledging  that the 3 you mentioned are goalscorers, who are always in more demand than pretty much any other type of player.      £2m for Irving  might sound paltry compared to the £3m allegedly offered for Nisbet, but it's significantly more than 1 year's   FoH contribution - hopefully we insist on some sell-on clauses when we sell good players too.