Wee Mikey Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 44 minutes ago, scott herbertson said: Arbitrators decide they want to question Doncaster in private as they are concerned he may not be telling the truth, the whole truth or anything like the truth Things take a surprising turn... Although nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, may I suggest that seeing as the worst they could come up with was a '"Comfy Chair" that they be accompanied by The Bishop from Blackadder with his red-hot poker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitba' broke my Heart Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 40 minutes ago, Boof said: Still two Dundee Uniteds and no Heart of Midlothian on SPFL website. I emailed them just after 1500 on Wednesday but haven't even received an acknowledgement yet. Pretty poor show, IMO. I used the complaint procedure and got an auto reply saying thanks for complaining and you will get a reply in 10 working days. tick, tock............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just now, niblick1874 said: This is not a court. Well, it is, kind of. But that's been covered already in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, Victorian said: Debts? **** off you weirdos. Credits more like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Boris said: Well, it is, kind of. But that's been covered already in this thread. It is not kind of. It is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just now, niblick1874 said: It is not kind of. It is not. Care to expand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgeJambo Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Reporting Scotland tonight Scottish football is back and they show Hearts v St Mirren running out for the last game played No agenda there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Boris said: Care to expand? This is not for all to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just now, niblick1874 said: This is not for all to see. This post is sponsored by Bacofoil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunoatemyhamster Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, gjcc said: Credits more like. But but but.... My mates a retired bank manager! I swear retired was a spelling mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, gjcc said: Credits more like. Every interloper including media interlopers will hate you for posting that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just now, Boris said: This post is sponsored by Bacofoil. And there you have the answer of someone that had no choice but to try and play the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrymac Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Boof said: Still two Dundee Uniteds and no Heart of Midlothian on SPFL website. I emailed them just after 1500 on Wednesday but haven't even received an acknowledgement yet. Pretty poor show, IMO. No one has checked the spam folder for a while, too busy shredding docs at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rory78 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just remember that we're only at this point now because 41 emails all went into the correct SPFL inbox but the one THAT decided it went AWOL for time and that said team who voted then had dialogue with the people in charge to then change it - anyone that thinks we can't or won't be reinstated into the top flight needs their head read,we've been done like kippers and justice shall prevail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambojay84 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 26 minutes ago, Hood09 said: see if we win, our new sponsor better be calpol To build on this I’d like to see Ann portrayed as that Greek goddess lassie but replace the scale things with a bottle of calpol and the sword with a spoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, niblick1874 said: And there you have the answer of someone that had no choice but to try and play the man. Because you were slavering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Boris said: Because you were slavering? Where? Why did you not point it out when I did? Edited July 10, 2020 by niblick1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D. Corners Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, rory78 said: Just remember that we're only at this point now because 41 emails all went into the correct SPFL inbox but the one THAT decided it went AWOL for time and that said team who voted then had dialogue with the people in charge to then change it - anyone that thinks we can't or won't be reinstated into the top flight needs their head read,we've been done like kippers and justice shall prevail Ive been out of the IT game for a while, but really want to know if the mail going to the quarantine folder is a realistic scenario? A history check of the Dundee email address used would be interesting. We’re emails received before without issue etc Thankfully Ann made millions from IT and I assume would be all over that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackal Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Regardless of what folder the email went to it was cast before the 5pm deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, niblick1874 said: Where? Why did you not point it out when I did? I thought I had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Boris said: I thought I had. No you did not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 I see Anne (I hate that spelling error) Budge and Robbie the jobbie Neilson have donated to Raith. What fantastic wit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 minute ago, niblick1874 said: No you did not. Whatever. Your post regards arbitration appeared to suggest that regardless of outcome the SPFL would say sorry too late. That is irrelevant if it's decided we've been wronged. Arbitration is still under the auspices of the law. As far as I understand it at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Fox Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Rumour Alert ..... two suspicious blokes spotted in McLeod Street wearing walking boots and tangerine tops ... Alert Rumour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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assessor Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said: Rumour Alert ..... two suspicious blokes spotted in McLeod Street wearing walking boots and tangerine tops ... Alert Rumour Russell road dark and quiet this time of night, hope they get passed there ok..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Boris said: Whatever. Your post regards arbitration appeared to suggest that regardless of outcome the SPFL would say sorry too late. That is irrelevant if it's decided we've been wronged. Arbitration is still under the auspices of the law. As far as I understand it at least. Whatever? Appeared to suggest? It's not a court. Edited July 10, 2020 by niblick1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjhearts Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 How about a "what if"guys, and girls. What if the arbitration panel sends it back to Lord Clark ,2 weeks away ish,he looks at it and rules that the SPFL must reinstate us into the prem lge.Another week at least maybe 2. That would take us to August.Lge meant to start on the 1st.We have had no pre season so would they allow us the same time the other teams have had,4-5 weeks,or would they make us start the lge asap.If we are allowed time to have some kind of pre season this would cause all sorts of problems ,sky deal,european fixtures.Plus now getting into september, fixture biuld up etc.Loads of problems,not of our making,but none the less problems.Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Hunt Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said: Of course it was possible - no club was going to go bust in 28 days when they knew the "much needed cash" was on it's way. In any case, for the VAST majority of clubs it was a trifling sum (eg the much quoted £3K that Forfar got). This is complete bullshit but of course the media didn't bother to question any of it. Not least the 5.00PM deadline - this wasn't a "mistake" - it was the underhand tactics around the voting process that are the issue, not the timing of the "deadline". The timing of the deadline to submit votes is critical. McLennan saying that it was not possible to wait the normal 28 days is gold dust for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Fox Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, assessor said: Russell road dark and quiet this time of night, hope they get passed there ok..... RUMOUR:- Passing Roseburn Bar ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boris Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, niblick1874 said: Whatever? Appeared to suggest? It's not a court. Yeah, whatever. If semantics are your comfort blanket then you carry on being Linus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Surely they haven't set aff at this time of night 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Looks like next Saturday is the welcoming day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Boris said: Yeah, whatever. If semantics are your comfort blanket then you carry on being Linus. I don't have a comfort blanket. Where are you getting all this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, scott herbertson said: Arbitrators decide they want to question Doncaster in private as they are concerned he may not be telling the truth, the whole truth or anything like the truth Things take a surprising turn... Well I think we all know who the SPFL's chief weapon is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Dallas Green said: Surely they haven't set aff at this time of night 😂 Sneaky lift hame at the Forth bridge. Then a lift to the Tay bridge tomorrow afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Hunt Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: Another one pleading poverty you would think there was a possible legal compensation level about to be set Donkeys telling them all say your skint That’s fine. We can take any payments spread over a couple of years at 8% interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, neilnunb said: Here's a cracking tale from Big Alex on the Raith forum. "Just heard from a pal of mine (Bury supporter so he knows how we are feeling) who knows of my Rovers attachment), has been following things from a safe distance! He has slightly different take on things. He believes that Hearts actually know (or knew) that they were going to get relegated and kick this all off. NOT because they thought that they could actually avoid relegation but if they kicked up enough trouble they would get an out of court settlement in excess of the standard parachute payment. It would be a way to pay off all the debts they have run up. But it morphed into what it is now because they couldn't lose out financially because its not THEIR money they are burning. FYI my pal is a retired bank manager, so he has a fair handle on the monetary stuff." 🤣🤣 I'm a retired Senior Bank Manager, so I outrank Big Alex's pal, and I'm calling bullshit. I'm assuming his Bank Manager friend hasn't bothered to examine our latest accounts, otherwise he would have seen we have no external debt, other than normal trade debt. He's also clearly unaware that we have some serious financial benefactors, one of whom recently donated over £3m to the SPFL to benefit all clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zico Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, neilnunb said: Looks like next Saturday is the welcoming day Would be ****ing hilarious if they’re punted back to their rightful place in the Championship on Friday. At least Fatty Arabuckle and his pal will be able to pay 5% of their lost lawyers fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, graygo said: "No reconstruction under any circumstances" ©Dundee United Ha ha, that quote could sure come back to bite them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Hunt Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, niblick1874 said: Whatever? Appeared to suggest? It's not a court. The decision taken by the Arbitration Tribunal will be legally binding on both parties, providing the correct procedures have been followed and the law has been interpreted correctly. Edited July 10, 2020 by Ethan Hunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, niblick1874 said: It is not kind of. It is not. It is actually. The arbitration panel is impartial and has all the powers available to it that the Court of Session would have. You should maybe listen to the Sportsound podcast from last Saturday, when an Advocate explained how the process works. This is essentially a civil court case, but played behind closed doors. The SPFL or SFA have no influence over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Anyone got any ideas when the Arbitration will be, how long it will take and how soon will we get an outcome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Phil D. Corners said: Ive been out of the IT game for a while, but really want to know if the mail going to the quarantine folder is a realistic scenario? A history check of the Dundee email address used would be interesting. We’re emails received before without issue etc Thankfully Ann made millions from IT and I assume would be all over that. More to the point, the SPFL QC admitted in the COS last week that the Dundee no vote was received before the deadline. Whether it ended up in a quarantine folder or not is irrelevant, though I agree with you and others that this is a highly dubious claim (among many other highly dubious things done by the SPFL in assuring that they got the result they wanted, as insisted on by Peter). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart500 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Could Donkee United, Raith Robbers and Covid Rangers' plan be to have the tribunal stopped after only 80% of the evidence, and to give the SPFL nominated Arbitor an extra vote if necessary to ensure defeat of the petition? Guess that would be consistent with their level of sporting integrity and fairness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Hunt Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, stuart500 said: Could Donkee United, Raith Robbers and Covid Rangers' plan be to have the tribunal stopped after only 80% of the evidence, and to give the SPFL nominated Arbitor an extra vote if necessary to ensure defeat of the petition? Guess that would be consistent with their level of sporting integrity and fairness. In fairness it would be the SPFL who would plan to stop the tribunal after it being 80% heard. I appreciate that would have made it more difficult to get your clever Donkee, Robbers and Covid in though 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 36 minutes ago, RobNox said: It is actually. The arbitration panel is impartial and has all the powers available to it that the Court of Session would have. You should maybe listen to the Sportsound podcast from last Saturday, when an Advocate explained how the process works. This is essentially a civil court case, but played behind closed doors. The SPFL or SFA have no influence over it. It is not open. A court in Scotland is. I see that as a big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Hood09 said: see if we win, our new sponsor better be calpol Anusol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, skjhearts said: How about a "what if"guys, and girls. What if the arbitration panel sends it back to Lord Clark ,2 weeks away ish,he looks at it and rules that the SPFL must reinstate us into the prem lge.Another week at least maybe 2. That would take us to August.Lge meant to start on the 1st.We have had no pre season so would they allow us the same time the other teams have had,4-5 weeks,or would they make us start the lge asap.If we are allowed time to have some kind of pre season this would cause all sorts of problems ,sky deal,european fixtures.Plus now getting into september, fixture biuld up etc.Loads of problems,not of our making,but none the less problems.Thoughts? There's no "what if". Arbitration is legally binding - unless there are some very exceptional circumstances. Hearts case is legally quite straightforward and will succeed or fall on its own merits. The SPFL Board have gone to court & arbitration on the basis the clubs have had two chances to go for recon and rejected both. ND will say the clubs choices are in the dock, not the Board. If it all goes titz up they'll blame the clubs, regardless of the fallout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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