SPFL and Covid ( Leagues 1 and 2 to restart )

[Martin_T]

It's a bit Cheeky for Dave Cormack, net worth estimated in the hundreds of millions, to be begging the Aberdeen fans to bail out his investment. 

[Hagar the Horrible]

The Arab 2 are doing a great thing for their club?  DU dont look like they have a clue on how to set up a crowdfunding page, so they are being more reprehensable by piggybacking on 2 of their fans?  Compare that  to us, Our club have stated we will do this for you.

 

This is like they emptied every account they have, re-mortgaged the house, put it all on Red and it came up Red, but the got greedy and placed that and the winnings all on Red and it came up black, but they are now asking all other punters in the casino to donate their winnings so that they can put another bet on that only they can benefits from?

[JamboGraham]

14 minutes ago, neilnunb said:

https://www.dundeeunitedfc.co.uk/news/6507/GOFUNDME-CAMPAIGN-ENDORSED-BY-UNITED.html

 

🤣

 

1 minute ago, manaliveits105 said:

I take it Dundee United endorse Fatty's foul mouthed tirade on social media too 

 

Indeed...I really thought DUFC would have asked him to delete some of his twitter before formally “endorsing” this person and his campaign.

[graygo]

44 minutes ago, Bickfest said:

You are right, of course. Apologies for suggesting otherwise. He did add "I do not regard Mr Moynihan’s submission that persons with an interest in football are better placed than the court to deal with this issue as well-founded. The case involves allegations of unfair prejudice. It is a matter of company law, upon which there is substantial authority in the case law, and it will require appropriate legal expertise in the arbitration tribunal." That is a clear warning to ensure that the tribunal is able to properly assess the materials and law at issue.

 

Fair point, it was a crazy thing to say by Moynihan, "it's a football matter and should be decided by football people" yet the panel is not made up with football people.

[Dano307]

So if the 'promoted' clubs lose this court case and get punted back down to the leagues they belong... Will they then be taking the SPFL to court for compensation on the basis that they've been preparing/costing for a season in a higher league? 

 

This compensation will be at the cost of the clubs who they are now begging for money from, of course...? 

[auld reekie/weegie]

htpp://the4thofficial.net/2020/07/sporting-integrity-dundee-united-raith-rovers-cove-rangers/

[Guess The Crowd]

6 minutes ago, EIEIO said:

They should be walking to Hampden not Tynecastle, if anywhere.

 

Exactly.

 

And, as poster above says, they are endorsing that individual's twitter account also. Beyond belief.

[OTT]

What an absolute tramp of a club. 

 

Mark Ogren is a multimillionaire. He's the one ultimately responsible for Dundee Utd's position of reconstruction (being against it in all circumstances) much like at Hibs. He could have recognised the situation for what it is and stood beside Budge in asking for reconstruction to ensure if nothing else he and his club are on the right side of this. Instead he helped torpedo it. 

 

After having done that, Budge has had to follow through on the legal threat which all parties have been aware of would happen if they refused to do the right thing and now he's asking the fans from one of the most deprived areas in Scotland to contribute to a legal challenge which was utterly avoidable. He's now got the brass neck to then go begging cap in hand to every other club in Scotland to help fund the case whilst paying compensation for their new manager, having received compensation for their old manager and having a million pound striker in Shankland sitting there?

 

I really hope the clubs tell him to bolt. If they're that hard up for cash, I'm sure Celtic or Rangers will take Shankland off their hands for £500k.

 

****ing Walter Mitty tramp. 

[Diadora Van Basten]

So Dundee United think it’s a good idea for a couple of their fans to turn up at Tynecastle to raise money against Hearts.

 

I think we should get the Police involved to advise that this is foolish and inflammatory.

[OmiyaHearts]

16 minutes ago, gjcc said:

Anyone fancy doing their walk in reverse with all funds to Big Hearts or the like. 🤔

It would take days to do it walking backwards tbh 

[graygo]

44 minutes ago, Ethan Hunt said:

Time to start compiling a list of those who have breached rule B2.

 

The very section that will be used to hammer Naismith. ☹️

[Lone Striker]

Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers have asked Scottish Premiership clubs to pledge £5,000 each towards their costs as they defend legal action taken by Hearts and Partick Thistle.

Championship clubs have been asked to pledge £2,000 each, with League One and League Two sides asked for £1,000.

The legal action by Hearts and Thistle, which is going to arbitration, could result in United, Raith and Cove having their promotions overturned.

The trio have already spent £45,000.

The costs are expected to rise substantially in the next week when the independent arbitration panel meets to decide if Hearts' and Thistle's claim on being reinstated to the leagues or awarded damages of £10m is heard.

On Monday, United, Raith and Cove said they hope "fans of clubs across Scotland" will contribute to a crowdfunding campaign.

Hearts and Thistle initially went to the Court of Session after their relegations from the Premiership and Championship were not prevented by the SPFL's failed proposal for league reconstruction. The proposal would also have given Stranraer a reprieve from League One relegation.

Lord Clark decided the rules of the football authorities mean the case must be heard by an independent tribunal set up through the Scottish FA rules.

 

 

This is utterly astonishing !    Are the C3 so afraid that the SPFL defence isn't up to much that they're  desperate for other clubs to get involved in something they don't actually need to do ?    If the court agree that the SPFL have acted outside the law, then the C3 are potentially stuffed anyway - unless they can  press-gang Doncaster into doing what he should have done 2 months ago.

 

Are we to assume that the comp they got from us for Robbie got eaten up by the comp they've paid to Tranmere plus the ongoing legal bill ?    Wonderful,   if that's true !!   Can't help wondering what Robbie makes of this latest move by his former employer ?

 

A Hearts/Partick win at arbitration is now going to be a very very very sweet occasion.  

 

 

 

[Hagar the Horrible]

I noticed Raith have not so far endorsed this yet on their website, but it could be they have to waith for their web architect to finish playing on the swings

[upgotheheads]

2 minutes ago, niblick1874 said:

 

Having that vote again would be asking clubs to vote harm on other clubs and that is not allowed. The SPFL asked clubs to vote to harm other clubs right at the beginning and just as it would not be allowed now, it was not allowed then. Surely because of this we win right of the bat.  Am I missing something? 

 

An interdict, leading to another court case probably. In the light of events another vote without prejudice to any party  would be impossible.  

[OTT]

1 minute ago, Lone Striker said:

Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers have asked Scottish Premiership clubs to pledge £5,000 each towards their costs as they defend legal action taken by Hearts and Partick Thistle.

Championship clubs have been asked to pledge £2,000 each, with League One and League Two sides asked for £1,000.

The legal action by Hearts and Thistle, which is going to arbitration, could result in United, Raith and Cove having their promotions overturned.

The trio have already spent £45,000.

The costs are expected to rise substantially in the next week when the independent arbitration panel meets to decide if Hearts' and Thistle's claim on being reinstated to the leagues or awarded damages of £10m is heard.

On Monday, United, Raith and Cove said they hope "fans of clubs across Scotland" will contribute to a crowdfunding campaign.

Hearts and Thistle initially went to the Court of Session after their relegations from the Premiership and Championship were not prevented by the SPFL's failed proposal for league reconstruction. The proposal would also have given Stranraer a reprieve from League One relegation.

Lord Clark decided the rules of the football authorities mean the case must be heard by an independent tribunal set up through the Scottish FA rules.

 

 

This is utterly astonishing !    Are the C3 so afraid that the SPFL defence isn't up to much that they're  desperate for other clubs to get involved in something they don't actually need to do ?    If the court agree that the SPFL have acted outside the law, then the C3 are potentially stuffed anyway - unless they can  press-gang Doncaster into doing what he should have done 2 months ago.

 

Are we to assume that the comp they got from us for Robbie got eaten up by the comp they've paid to Tranmere plus the ongoing legal bill ?    Wonderful,   if that's true !!   Can't help wondering what Robbie makes of this latest move by his former employer ?

 

A Hearts/Partick win at arbitration is now going to be a very very very sweet occasion.  

 

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Doncaster has press ganged them into participating i.e if you don't the league will need to accept Hearts petition. 

 

Such is his weaselly nature.

[Jambo66]

5 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

The very section that will be used to hammer Naismith. ☹️

If that were to happen, there is a very long list of club officials and other players who will also be hammered.

 

Fortunately for the media, they are not covered by these rules.

Edited July 9, 2020 by Jambo66

[niblick1874]

1 hour ago, Jambo66 said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Any club that contributes to the legal fees of the C3 is in breach of SPFL rules. Not only that, by asking for financial support, the C3 are also in breach of the rules.

 

Contributing to the attempt to harm a fellow member club? 

[Zico's left foot]

29 minutes ago, neilnunb said:

https://www.dundeeunitedfc.co.uk/news/6507/GOFUNDME-CAMPAIGN-ENDORSED-BY-UNITED.html

 

🤣

Can't be arsed looking for the link but did the original gofundme page not say they were walking from Tannadice to Tynecastle.  Sounds like they've reversed their route - at least it will be easier to estimate when they'll be on Edinburgh!

[auld reekie/weegie]

htpps://the4thofficial.net/2020/07/sporting-integrity-dundee-united-raith-rovers-cove-rangers/

[Ethan Hunt]

@Footballfirst do you have the SPFL QC’s legal advice on calling the season?

[Jambo-Fox]

28 minutes ago, neilnunb said:

https://www.dundeeunitedfc.co.uk/news/6507/GOFUNDME-CAMPAIGN-ENDORSED-BY-UNITED.html

 

🤣

I would imagine that they will need several breaks on their walk perhaps up to 3 hours  total. So if they are aiming to aiming to arrive at Tannadice around 7:30pm they will probably need to Tynecastle on Friday no later than 11pm!

[Don Dan]

34 minutes ago, neilnunb said:

https://www.dundeeunitedfc.co.uk/news/6507/GOFUNDME-CAMPAIGN-ENDORSED-BY-UNITED.html

 

🤣

Well they should have voted for reconstruction and they wouldn’t be in the mess they are in. 

[Garrincha]

6 minutes ago, OTT said:

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Doncaster has press ganged them into participating i.e if you don't the league will need to accept Hearts petition. 

 

Such is his weaselly nature.

I think so too. The 3 probably asked the SPFL to fund their case and Doncaster likely pulled his ‘we are just the clubs’ line, hence each club is asked for a share. Utterly farcical.

 

 

 

[niblick1874]

8 minutes ago, upgotheheads said:

 

An interdict, leading to another court case probably. In the light of events another vote without prejudice to any party  would be impossible.  

 

What they were asked to do in the first vote was against the rules so right there we win. What the SPFL do then? I'm not sure.

[Jambo66]

5 minutes ago, niblick1874 said:

 

Contributing to the attempt to harm a fellow member club? 

Indeed.

[Dallas Green]

It must be fully above board if they are asking for it but I would genuinely think asking other clubs for money to help with a legal dispute against other member clubs can't be seen in a good light. 

 

If clubs aren't involved but will help fund the legal battle surely that would show some prejudice?

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

4 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said:

I would imagine that they will need several breaks on their walk perhaps up to 3 hours  total. So if they are aiming to aiming to arrive at Tannadice around 7:30pm they will probably need to Tynecastle on Friday no later than 11pm!

That last climb up the hill from the bridge is a heart attack let alone after 55 miles 

[auld reekie/weegie]

https://the4thofficial.net/2020/07/sporting-integrity-dundee-united-raith-rovers-cove-rangers/

[Ethan Hunt]

45 minutes ago, Hagar the Horrible said:

So to be clear

 

Celtic might but have their own court case  so unlikely

Rangers  NO

Aberdeen Broke NO

Hibs Broke NO

Hamilton NO

ICT NO

Falkirk NO

Edinburgh City NO

Dundee Skint NO

Stranraer NO

 

So the rest are asking to pay for a legal case thats more likey to lose as they have just made our point?

 

Clubs now been asked to pay twice?  Just wait until it has to be paid.....what us naw sorry you are on your own.  Would you trust any of these self serving asswipes.  But if there is such a swell of that amount of sheer hatred towards us and partick, then we have done something in 150 years is to bring the clubs together

I have no idea why the C3 are still involved in this. What are they defending that is any different to what the SPFL are?

[1971fozzy]

The seethe for us has hit even more pleasing heights.

Damaged relationships that will never heal no matter which way the verdict goes.  
Begging member clubs to fund legal fees in a matter against 2 member clubs is a WTF moment alright.

 

[Newton51]

Cash flow is key at moment to clubs. Cant see many clubs contributing towards their arbitration costs

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 minute ago, Ethan Hunt said:

I have no idea why the C3 are still involved in this. What are they defending that is any different to what the SPFL are?

Pretty simple. Two reasons.

 

1) Their boards have no backbone and would rather beg for money to keep their egos in the headlines than admit they are in wrong and cease defence.

2) They don't trust SPFL to defend them, suspecting if they aren't there, SPFL would settle behind their backs. 

[Anything2]

18 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers have asked Scottish Premiership clubs to pledge £5,000 each towards their costs as they defend legal action taken by Hearts and Partick Thistle.

Championship clubs have been asked to pledge £2,000 each, with League One and League Two sides asked for £1,000.

The legal action by Hearts and Thistle, which is going to arbitration, could result in United, Raith and Cove having their promotions overturned.

The trio have already spent £45,000.

The costs are expected to rise substantially in the next week when the independent arbitration panel meets to decide if Hearts' and Thistle's claim on being reinstated to the leagues or awarded damages of £10m is heard.

On Monday, United, Raith and Cove said they hope "fans of clubs across Scotland" will contribute to a crowdfunding campaign.

Hearts and Thistle initially went to the Court of Session after their relegations from the Premiership and Championship were not prevented by the SPFL's failed proposal for league reconstruction. The proposal would also have given Stranraer a reprieve from League One relegation.

Lord Clark decided the rules of the football authorities mean the case must be heard by an independent tribunal set up through the Scottish FA rules.

 

 

This is utterly astonishing !    Are the C3 so afraid that the SPFL defence isn't up to much that they're  desperate for other clubs to get involved in something they don't actually need to do ?    If the court agree that the SPFL have acted outside the law, then the C3 are potentially stuffed anyway - unless they can  press-gang Doncaster into doing what he should have done 2 months ago.

 

Are we to assume that the comp they got from us for Robbie got eaten up by the comp they've paid to Tranmere plus the ongoing legal bill ?    Wonderful,   if that's true !!   Can't help wondering what Robbie makes of this latest move by his former employer ?

 

A Hearts/Partick win at arbitration is now going to be a very very very sweet occasion.  

 

 

 

I still don't get why they think other teams should give a damn. The SPFL are defending the case on behalf of the league, their interest as teams who won't be promoted or relegated will be hoping the SPFL win as then no cost to them. If Hearts and Partick win then they would probably prefer reinstatement first, then reconstruction, and then compensation as that is the  order of least to most expensive for the other teams. What league DU et al are in as a consequence won't really concern them. It's like they think that being denied a promotion that they nearly won is the biggest sporting injustice ever and yet being voted out of the league by the teams who could otherwise have been relegated is perfectly acceptable. There is a reason that Hearts and Partick have had their costs covered by philanthropists, it's because in every walk of life other than Scottish football, our situation is considered an injustice. 

[Skiba]

'

 

Are they allowed to do their walk?  😀

 

Scot Gov Website - We have relaxed the 5 mile guidance on travel for leisure purposes, other than in a specific part of Dumfries and Galloway. Please stay local as much as possible for goods, services and activities and avoid crowded places where physical distancing may be difficult.

[Hagar the Horrible]

Just now, Ethan Hunt said:

I have no idea why the C3 are still involved in this. What are they defending that is any different to what the SPFL are?

I don’t get that either,  But late Friday while everybody was celebrating the Oscar for best film,  Warren Beatty read out La La Land  and it turned out Lord Clarks envelope was Hearts.  Over the weekend the C3 were staring at flat Champaign, and were going for a kebab!  But somebody Doncaster, Boreland, somebody convinced then to stick with the process as withdrawing must have guaranteed us a win.  So now they are gambling with their own existence?  Raith just can’t afford this? Somebody must have put the crowd funding idea up and asking to prostitute themselves from all other clubs?  

 

I don’t think they realise its in breach of law B2 and as this is NOT a football matter but corporate law its also paramount  to some shareholders guilty of bad faith to other shareholders and are now asking all remaining shareholders to do further harm, Their actions must be making our case even better.?

 

So in answering your question I don’t think the SPFL have a case without the C3?

[jackal]

If a judge threw out their case in CoS why do they think it will help arbitration. Im sure the panel selected will know what LC said in his judgement and doubt they will see anything different.

Also hope the walkers are going to document their journey or are they getting picked up by car north of the bridge. Also all money going to Utd, what about Raith and Cove. 

Edited July 9, 2020 by jackal

[Phil D. Corners]

1 minute ago, 1971fozzy said:

The seethe for us has hit even more pleasing heights.

Damaged relationships that will never heal no matter which way the verdict goes.  
Begging member clubs to fund legal fees in a matter against 2 member clubs is a WTF moment alright.

 

It‘s quite enjoyable. I’m quite comfortable with it. I don’t really have any umbrage against any of the clubs. Except Dundee of course. And the SPFL. 
 

I wish these two United fans good luck on their walk. I would be raging if Hearts did not get promoted during our championship year.
 

All the clubs are doing what they think is right. Except Dundee of course. As are we. 
 

Dundee can go **** themselves of course. They know what they did, for me that the only club that have done something wrong.

This whole situation comes from a farcical vote from the SPFL. Any seething should be aimed at them. That’s what I’m telling anyone who wants to have a pop at me/hearts. And to blame Dundee of course. Albeit with a smug face.

 
 

I personally think Ann has played a blinder. Bring on Arbitration.

[1874robbo]

Why don’t we ask for cash to help our legal costs, after all we are also a member of the association.

 

[Lone Striker]

Sounds as if Utd, RR and these 2 Arab w**kers have adopted a new version of that old fans favourite song -

"If you hate the ******* Jam Tarts, gie's yer cash"

[niblick1874]

1 minute ago, 1874robbo said:

Why don’t we ask for cash to help our legal costs, after all we are also a member of the association.

 

 

                                                                       

[Philo2012]

Surely Police Scotland would be interested in the Sponsored Walk by 2 Dundee United supporters.Could invite supporter trouble.If there was trouble would give the media more ammunition against Hearts and Partick.Hopefully arbitration board would not be swayed by bad press about Hearts(possibly Hibs )supporter trouble.Seems antagonistic and not very well timed.Could be a PLOY to damage arbitration process.

[AllyjamboDerbyshire]

1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Given some of what’s been posted on this thread (uniformed opinion masquerading as informed opinion or fact) you’ve got a ****ing nerve digging me out for that. But that’s by the byes. 
 

Out of interest, could you list the countries which have awarded titles but not imposed promotion/relegation? Since it’s clearly such an obvious route to take.

While I'm sure there are many countries that have awarded titles without relegation over the years, I'll just mention one country not too far away, and that is Scotland. We even managed to have two divisions, both with titles awarded to the top finishing team, without automatic relegation or promotion until 1923, and, of course, as recently as 2000 we had a season when there was no relegation (but still a title winner) when the top tier was increased from 10 clubs to 12. If you want to know what other countries have managed to cope with no relegation while awarding titles, look it up yourself.

 

As to 'digging you out', I did no more than to ask you to provide justification for your statement that you couldn't have a title awarded without relegation. You could have put forward your justification/argument, but chose to bicker instead. 

 

To me, while pontificated opinions are fine in most topics, such as those about players, managers etc, we are discussing possibly the most important topic, apart from our administration, we've ever had, and anyone making bold statements should be prepared to defend and justify them, or make it clear at the time of posting that they are just offering an opinion. As is often the case, unchallenged opinions often become accepted facts, and it's bad enough when it's happening on other boards and in the media without letting it happen here.

 

By the bye, it didn't take much ****ing nerve to point out the error of your post.

[Lone Striker]

4 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

Why don’t we ask for cash to help our legal costs, after all we are also a member of the association.

 

Ann is much to classy for that.   Anyway, she knows she has our backing ... to the tune of £135k  per month.   

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

7 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

Why don’t we ask for cash to help our legal costs, after all we are also a member of the association.

 

I thought so too. Bidding war, we will ask for 4k each 

[true-jambo]

1 hour ago, Hagar the Horrible said:

So to be clear

 

Celtic might but have their own court case  so unlikely

Rangers  NO

Aberdeen Broke NO

Hibs Broke NO

Hamilton NO

ICT NO

Falkirk NO

Edinburgh City NO

Dundee Skint NO

Stranraer NO

 

So the rest are asking to pay for a legal case thats more likey to lose as they have just made our point?

 

Clubs now been asked to pay twice?  Just wait until it has to be paid.....what us naw sorry you are on your own.  Would you trust any of these self serving asswipes.  But if there is such a swell of that amount of sheer hatred towards us and partick, then we have done something in 150 years is to bring the clubs together

You missed Albion Rovers, they need a grand for the bus fares and a happy meal, in case they have to play Brora away

[Nookie Bear]

55 minutes ago, Zico's left foot said:

Can't be arsed looking for the link but did the original gofundme page not say they were walking from Tannadice to Tynecastle.  Sounds like they've reversed their route - at least it will be easier to estimate when they'll be on Edinburgh!

They changed it to leave from Tynie for some reason, although this does mean they will reveal the time of departure. The rest depends on their progress. 

[colinmaroon]

The more I really think about this, the more positively "disgusting" I see this plea from Raith Rovers in particular to be.

 

Here we have a member of an Association who is in dispute with another member of the Association, and this first member is asking other members to contribute to their case against a fellow member.

 

If people cannot see the immoral and unethical and, possibly, illegal in business terms, approach taken by Raith Rovers, there is something seriously wrong.

 

It is the playground "gang" mentality and, the bully, the SPFL (Celtic), encourages the incitement to mob behaviour. Meanwhile, the media, like the kids gathered round the fight in the playground, afraid of the bully, scream like banshees, encouraging the bullying.

 

Or, maybe there are not that many clubs who will join this unholy throng?

 

Whatever the outcome of this whole mess, whether we win or lose, the head of Neil Doncaster has to be on a spike
.

 

 

 

[Dazo]

I’m now asking myself what right the C3 have to be heard at the Arbitration hearing never mind represented. Fair enough at the COS but they lost now this panel is there to settle a dispute Between us and the SPFL on a point of company law. If the have a grievance upon the outcome of that dispute then again fair enough they can start their own legal proceedings.   

[Clacks Jambo]

Switched direction in case they get battered apparently 🤷🏼

[John Findlay]

5 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

They changed it to leave from Tynie for some reason, although this does mean they will reveal the time of departure. The rest depends on their progress. 

Be lucky if they get past Stratties with both legs functioning.