Sid Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 The questions have already been answered. None of the Clubs want to “Give the SPFL” ANY POWER as they cannot be trusted. The questions should be “what should the rules be given the following circumstances which are then set in stone so they can’t be selectively adapted to suit their corrupt agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 St Mirren have been accused by the SPFL of breaching Covid-19 regulations in the build-up to postponed matches against Motherwell and Hamilton Accies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 St Mirren say they "will defend this robustly". The SPFL had launched an investigation after the games were called off because Covid cases left St Mirren without sufficient fit players. A board sub-committee, chaired by an independent legally-qualified chair, will meet on 10 and/or 11 November. Kilmarnock already faced a similar hearing - which has now also been confirmed for the same day - after their game against Motherwell on 3 October was postponed following an outbreak caused the entire squad to self-isolate. The Ayrshire club have also vowed to prove they "haven't done anything wrong" against a charge that could lead to them and St Mirren forfeiting the points for the respective games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 7 hours ago, upgotheheads said: * What would be a sufficient number of points for one arse cheek to be in front of another arse cheek for the league to be validly called? Not 4 with 24 to play for that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 If games are forfeited and the league gets called on PPG, I assume those forfeited games count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 23 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: If games are forfeited and the league gets called on PPG, I assume those forfeited games count? Ha...I think we can be fairly confident that zero thought will be given to that until after the event... Sponsored walks to challenge the fact that a team has been relegated on PPG even though the team surviving didn’t even play the game anyone??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Looks like the arsehole is back at Raith... https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/sport/football/former-chairman-rejoins-raith-rovers-3020334 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC01 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) Probably thought him leaving would change their outlook. Then realised it didn't matter because fans wont be back until sometime next year. Almost like a Rod Petrie manoeuvre, at least he said he was taking a break though and not quitting. Sorry edit: 🐀🐍 Edited October 30, 2020 by HMFC01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchies75 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Clyde 1 Superscoreboard @ClydeSSB BREAKING: Rangers confirm George Edmundson and Jordan Jones have been suspended by the club for attending a party and breaching COVID regulations. An internal investigation will take place and both players will self-isolate for 14 days. Wonder if they will use this as an excuse to sack Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartmussel Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, ritchies75 said: Clyde 1 Superscoreboard @ClydeSSB BREAKING: Rangers confirm George Edmundson and Jordan Jones have been suspended by the club for attending a party and breaching COVID regulations. An internal investigation will take place and both players will self-isolate for 14 days. Wonder if they will use this as an excuse to sack Jones Probably it’s the Rangers way.If it had been one of their so called stars,you would never have heard a peep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of The Cat Cafe Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 tin hat on, these are questions the spfl must address. Having answers in place that in place would have saved a lot of issues.. very simplistically in my opinion if 50% of the league season is complete or 1 home and 1 away fixture then the league should stand. I wouldn’t have been on this view last season but now the precedent is set and it has to be maintained the scenarios and thresholds in which the league would actually be ended, paused also have to be set out up front .. e.g an instruction from Scotgov, and that the league season(50%) of games must be completed by say mid July at the latest, that cup weekends will be lower priority than league fixtures . we can’t have a situation again where the outcome is determined by who sits where in the league and a ridiculous voting structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 On 02/11/2020 at 13:14, kingantti1874 said: tin hat on, these are questions the spfl must address. Having answers in place that in place would have saved a lot of issues.. very simplistically in my opinion if 50% of the league season is complete or 1 home and 1 away fixture then the league should stand. I wouldn’t have been on this view last season but now the precedent is set and it has to be maintained the scenarios and thresholds in which the league would actually be ended, paused also have to be set out up front .. e.g an instruction from Scotgov, and that the league season(50%) of games must be completed by say mid July at the latest, that cup weekends will be lower priority than league fixtures . we can’t have a situation again where the outcome is determined by who sits where in the league and a ridiculous voting structure. Problem for the SPFL quite a big one, all they can do is make suggestions. Totally amazing, all those clubs that shit on us in April don't want to commit now. ****ing shitebags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 40 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Problem for the SPFL quite a big one, all they can do is make suggestions. Totally amazing, all those clubs that shit on us in April don't want to commit now. ****ing shitebags Yip. They all want to see where they are when the music stops before fighting like rats in a sack and ultimately choosing what clubs to shit on. Let's be proactive, nah **** that- Utter shite bags- opportunistic cheating selfish *******s. Wait to see what benefits me first before voting, **** voting on a fair and reasonable solution now or handing power to a group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgie rd eh11 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Even the clubs that were complicit in the farce of last season don't trust the ****s. Says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 HEE HAW DONKEY HEE HAW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon tinted glasses 2 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 My take on the results are that the majority of the clubs have said "sorry but you made a complete james blunt of it earlier this year so no way are we giving you that power again", to me it's a total vote of no confidence for those in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 9 hours ago, Maroon tinted glasses 2 said: My take on the results are that the majority of the clubs have said "sorry but you made a complete james blunt of it earlier this year so no way are we giving you that power again", to me it's a total vote of no confidence for those in charge. Nope, just pure and simple self interest coming to the fore yet again. That and absolutely no trust in the top of the tree to act in anything other than the best interests of the Old Firm, primarily Celtic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) These rats are just looking out for themselves just like they did last season. I detest them absolutely detest them. Robbie said he and the team uses the injustice to drive them forward which is a must. I must say I don’t think I’ll ever get rid of the hate I have for them or ever forget. Certainly never forgive. Rats the lot of them Edited November 4, 2020 by 1971fozzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 11 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: Yip. They all want to see where they are when the music stops before fighting like rats in a sack and ultimately choosing what clubs to shit on. Let's be proactive, nah **** that- Utter shite bags- opportunistic cheating selfish *******s. Wait to see what benefits me first before voting, **** voting on a fair and reasonable solution now or handing power to a group. This 100%. These clubs will vote for anything when/if they think they are 'safe'. Sod the rest. Nothing has changed. ... (apart from the few who actually want what's best for Scottish football, of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 10 hours ago, Maroon tinted glasses 2 said: My take on the results are that the majority of the clubs have said "sorry but you made a complete james blunt of it earlier this year so no way are we giving you that power again", to me it's a total vote of no confidence for those in charge. Agreed! It is self-interest and a statement of mistrust at the same time but it's the second IMO that's the most telling. "If he is complicit in stitching up Hearts, we're not safe." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 12 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: Yip. They all want to see where they are when the music stops before fighting like rats in a sack and ultimately choosing what clubs to shit on. Let's be proactive, nah **** that- Utter shite bags- opportunistic cheating selfish *******s. Wait to see what benefits me first before voting, **** voting on a fair and reasonable solution now or handing power to a group. Last time didn't happen like that. There was no discussion. The SPFL/ Celtic put forward a take it or leave it final solution with the threat of no money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 11 hours ago, Maroon tinted glasses 2 said: My take on the results are that the majority of the clubs have said "sorry but you made a complete james blunt of it earlier this year so no way are we giving you that power again", to me it's a total vote of no confidence for those in charge. SPFL didn't have 'that power' last time. They put forward the solution of relegation/ promotion/ no play offs to a vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 11 hours ago, Maroon tinted glasses 2 said: My take on the results are that the majority of the clubs have said "sorry but you made a complete james blunt of it earlier this year so no way are we giving you that power again", to me it's a total vote of no confidence for those in charge. SPFL didn't have 'that power' last time. They put forward the solution of relegation/ promotion/ no play offs to a vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Last time didn't happen like that. There was no discussion. The SPFL/ Celtic put forward a take it or leave it final solution with the threat of no money. Exactly, Mikey. Why just one proposal? Why not put all possible solutions (null and void, resume like the EPL...) on the table and let the clubs vote on which route to take? An absolute feckin disgrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Just now, martoon said: Exactly, Mikey. Why just one proposal? Why not put all possible solutions (null and void, resume like the EPL...) on the table and let the clubs vote on which route to take? An absolute feckin disgrace. I would have (very reluctantly) accepted promotion / relegation with compensation if it had been properly agreed as a consensus of clubs. Instead we were just shafted. Vote was all about getting money to clubs when as well the money could have been distributed anyway. Very shabby way to do things. And nothing to indicate it will be any different this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: I would have (very reluctantly) accepted promotion / relegation with compensation if it had been properly agreed as a consensus of clubs. Instead we were just shafted. Vote was all about getting money to clubs when as well the money could have been distributed anyway. Very shabby way to do things. And nothing to indicate it will be any different this season. Basically, they want clubs to give them the green light to do exactly the same thing again - only, if they are given their 'special powers', clubs that get shafted can't complain or take them to court. That's all this exercise is about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Glamorgan Jambo Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 I saw it being reported that Nicola Sturgeon commented that there was the possibility of some fans being inside grounds in Tier 1 regions fairly soon. That will be Ross County, Inverness CT and Elgin City if I'm correctly guessing. Let's see how enthusiastically the SPFL/SFA grasp this opportunity. Seems the logical thing to do but never underestimate the narrow mindedness of the 'football authorities'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 5 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Last time didn't happen like that. There was no discussion. The SPFL/ Celtic put forward a take it or leave it final solution with the threat of no money. It did. Doncaster didn't actually decide anything, he never does. He just administrates. The celtic influence is debatable. Teams were always going to vote to save their skin, think short term and not care about anything else. The clubs voted for what was best for them, plain and simple imo. Didn't are who else was shat on, even after the first vote there was ample opportunity to mitigate damage to clubs like ourselves and Partick, they still refused. If St Mirren and us were in reverse positions, they would have 100% voted differently, possibly even we would have. If rangers and celtic were reversed it would be the same. We might actually find out how clubs will vote again, but imo each club will see where they are before deciding what is best for them and giving some statement about there was no other option and it was the best solution, blah, blah. If it was / is the only and best solution, vote on it now. Have a solution in place in now. *******s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: It did. Doncaster didn't actually decide anything, he never does. He just administrates. The celtic influence is debatable. Teams were always going to vote to save their skin, think short term and not care about anything else. The clubs voted for what was best for them, plain and simple imo. Didn't are who else was shat on, even after the first vote there was ample opportunity to mitigate damage to clubs like ourselves and Partick, they still refused. If St Mirren and us were in reverse positions, they would have 100% voted differently, possibly even we would have. If rangers and celtic were reversed it would be the same. We might actually find out how clubs will vote again, but imo each club will see where they are before deciding what is best for them and giving some statement about there was no other option and it was the best solution, blah, blah. If it was / is the only and best solution, vote on it now. Have a solution in place in now. *******s You're right, there should be a vote for a solution now. However, going on the SPFLs questions, it's not a solution they want... they want power to do whatever they/Celtic want. They should have asked member clubs something like - 'Should it be impossible to complete a season, would you agree to call the league on PPG if 75% of games are complete, calling champions to the team at the top but no relegation?'... you know, something specific. ...as usual, this isn't what the SPFL want an answer to. They want POWER to do what THEY want. No questions asked. No fall out/court cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: I would have (very reluctantly) accepted promotion / relegation with compensation if it had been properly agreed as a consensus of clubs. Instead we were just shafted. Vote was all about getting money to clubs when as well the money could have been distributed anyway. Very shabby way to do things. And nothing to indicate it will be any different this season. Correction : the vote was all about securing the tims the league title ASAP. The "getting money to the clubs" storyline was no more than a simple device to secure the vote of the greedy self interested clubs to ensure the Tim's got their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said: You're right, there should be a vote for a solution now. However, going on the SPFLs questions, it's not a solution they want... they want power to do whatever they/Celtic want. They should have asked member clubs something like - 'Should it be impossible to complete a season, would you agree to call the league on PPG if 75% of games are complete, calling champions to the team at the top but no relegation?'... you know, something specific. ...as usual, this isn't what the SPFL want an answer to. They want POWER to do what THEY want. No questions asked. No fall out/court cases. Yeah, give them an option. Tbh the sfa making it up is probably worse than the clubs making it up. Propose a solution or a choice of them, vot on the one that wil be implemented. No one can then moan later on, and although it may not suit every team it was planned in advance so without prejudice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 On 29/10/2020 at 17:09, Hagar the Horrible said: St Mirren say they "will defend this robustly". The SPFL had launched an investigation after the games were called off because Covid cases left St Mirren without sufficient fit players. A board sub-committee, chaired by an independent legally-qualified chair, will meet on 10 and/or 11 November. Kilmarnock already faced a similar hearing - which has now also been confirmed for the same day - after their game against Motherwell on 3 October was postponed following an outbreak caused the entire squad to self-isolate. The Ayrshire club have also vowed to prove they "haven't done anything wrong" against a charge that could lead to them and St Mirren forfeiting the points for the respective games. They can get to France......we said that and were told to stop squealing and take our medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Glamorgan Jambo said: I saw it being reported that Nicola Sturgeon commented that there was the possibility of some fans being inside grounds in Tier 1 regions fairly soon. That will be Ross County, Inverness CT and Elgin City if I'm correctly guessing. Let's see how enthusiastically the SPFL/SFA grasp this opportunity. Seems the logical thing to do but never underestimate the narrow mindedness of the 'football authorities'. If it does not benefit the uglies they will do nowt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 In related news the SFA are greeting about a £4.5m shortfall in income and there most likely will be redundancies. Right up each and every one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: In related news the SFA are greeting about a £4.5m shortfall in income and there most likely will be redundancies. Right up each and every one of them. Let's see if the future executive pay and blazers' perks are trimmed back to go with the redundancies of workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Victorian said: Let's see if the future executive pay and blazers' perks are trimmed back to go with the redundancies of workers. No gate money inbound in the near future and expenses galore from shipping all the hangers on across Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Anybody see an article suggesting the SFA are in serious financial trouble and have primed their staff to expect news of some significant redundancies fairly soon? Director of football Malky Mackay being in real danger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 The SFA could cut their losses if they could find a sponsor for the Scottish Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of The Cat Cafe Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: The SFA could cut their losses if they could find a sponsor for the Scottish Cup. Any loose money in the JKB kitty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 5 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: In related news the SFA are greeting about a £4.5m shortfall in income and there most likely will be redundancies. Right up each and every one of them. whilst it’s obviously sad and tragic for the normal honest staff that are likely to be affected it should be the top brass that are losing their jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Celtic manager Neil Lennon has accused the Scottish government of "double standards" over its reaction to Rangers players breaching Covid-19 protocols compared to its hardline stance over Parkhead full-back Boli Bolingoli. (Scotsman) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I'm sure Neil Doncaster could be a gent and take a substantial pay cut to save other jobs. Will he? Probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerah Jambo Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Celtic manager Neil Lennon has accused the Scottish government of "double standards" over its reaction to Rangers players breaching Covid-19 protocols compared to its hardline stance over Parkhead full-back Boli Bolingoli. (Scotsman) It takes a bit of skill to turn a pandemic into a Rangers/Celtic thing but Neil's the master of deflection and it should come as no surprise 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sausage Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Problem is that the premiership teams will just pull the ladder up if possible. It’s all about self interest and there are at least 3 teams who will vote down any attempt to prematurely end the season because they’ll be at risk of being the unlucky team sat in 12th come any shutdown. So it’s probably in our interest for us to proceed with no plan and if/when a shutdown comes along, you’ll be left with one vulnerable team who will be shat on by the rest. As for Lennon/Celtic grievances re: Rangers players breaking Covid rules - I don’t get the outrage. Wasn’t the problem with Celtic and Aberdeen that the players broke rules then rejoined the squad? Whereas the rangers players were isolated before coming back into contact with the rest of the squad? Totally different problems surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 18 minutes ago, Jerah Jambo said: It takes a bit of skill to turn a pandemic into a Rangers/Celtic thing but Neil's the master of deflection and it should come as no surprise 🤷♂️ Exactly my thoughts. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoGwash Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Captain Sausage said: As for Lennon/Celtic grievances re: Rangers players breaking Covid rules - I don’t get the outrage. Wasn’t the problem with Celtic and Aberdeen that the players broke rules then rejoined the squad? Whereas the rangers players were isolated before coming back into contact with the rest of the squad? Totally different problems surely. Correct but I think that's a bit too nuanced for Lennon's wee brain to grasp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 17 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: It did. Doncaster didn't actually decide anything, he never does. He just administrates. The celtic influence is debatable. Teams were always going to vote to save their skin, think short term and not care about anything else. The clubs voted for what was best for them, plain and simple imo. Didn't are who else was shat on, even after the first vote there was ample opportunity to mitigate damage to clubs like ourselves and Partick, they still refused. If St Mirren and us were in reverse positions, they would have 100% voted differently, possibly even we would have. If rangers and celtic were reversed it would be the same. We might actually find out how clubs will vote again, but imo each club will see where they are before deciding what is best for them and giving some statement about there was no other option and it was the best solution, blah, blah. If it was / is the only and best solution, vote on it now. Have a solution in place in now. *******s "The celtic influence is debatable" ??? FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, Jerah Jambo said: It takes a bit of skill to turn a pandemic into a Rangers/Celtic thing but Neil's the master of deflection and it should come as no surprise 🤷♂️ More classic vicTIM behaviour from Lenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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