The rise and fall of The SNP.

[Pans Jambo]

21 hours ago, strappingjock said:

Konrad von Carstein

This does indicate the whole problem with Scots. It has been a delusion for 300 years to consider ourselves in a union of equals - its a bit like Puerto Rico considering itself the equal of the USA. We are a very small insignificant little part (8%) of a union and we consider ourselves the equal of the  85% part. THAT is the problem and the quicker we dump the false idea of how great we are the better. Pride we certainly have, and if we continue along the present route there will be a monumental fall. Some pills are very bitter to swallow but if we think that leaving this union and becoming 1.2% of a bigger one we are completely delusional. Self determination my a**e, more like crapped on by the frogs etc. and if the EU does implode we will look even more stupid.

That post (& you) just screams:

 

[JyTees]

39 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/14/scottish-government-retracts-vaccine-plan-following-backlash/

 

 

 

Can you copy and paste mate? Pay wall.

[Pans Jambo]

19 hours ago, Space Mackerel said:

And from the same poll.

 

 

18?

EIGHTEEN??

IN A ROW???

 

Must be a blip surely?

 

Tick Tock ya Bozo luvvurzzzz

[JyTees]

The inevitable meltdown is going to be fantastic.

 

Tears and snotters from 2014 on tap. 

[Guest]

How do they go about doing these polls?  I always imagined folk with clipboards walking around town centres accosting  members of the public, but I guess that's not been possible lately?

[Cruyff]

19 minutes ago, Candy said:

How do they go about doing these polls?  I always imagined folk with clipboards walking around town centres accosting  members of the public, but I guess that's not been possible lately?

They phone folk, thousands of people in an area or within various age group or gender criteria and have to get 1017 responses or something like that to get a good sample. 

 

I did one once with ipsos prior to the 2014 Ref but the thing is, a poll has a +/- 3 to 7% margin of error and even then, all the respondents have to be telling the truth.

 

So, I'd personally always take polls with a pinch of salt but that said, given there has been 18 showing a majority pro Indy response, that probably does mean that support for Independence is somewhere around the 50% mark. 

 

Edited January 15, 2021 by Cruyff

[jack D and coke]

26 minutes ago, Candy said:

How do they go about doing these polls?  I always imagined folk with clipboards walking around town centres accosting  members of the public, but I guess that's not been possible lately?

If you sign up to YouGov and do their online surveys you get asked occasionally. It’s not specifically for that question you get asked a whole range of questions about pretty much everything and anything but sometimes political questions like that are in the surveys. 

[Justin Z]

2 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Excluding don’t knows

 

51-38 including don't knows

[Seymour M Hersh]

4 hours ago, JyTees said:

 

Can you copy and paste mate? Pay wall.

 

From the Daily Telegraph

 

Nicola Sturgeon has been accused of putting the UK’s vaccination programme in jeopardy after the Scottish Government was forced to retract its jabs delivery plan amid a transparency row.

Scotland’s First Minister on Thursday insisted the deployment schedule had been published on “transparency” grounds, adding that she was “not convinced” that it would have any impact on supply. 

Defending the move, she insisted that the plan, which provided official estimates for future deliveries of the vaccine until May, had only been removed because UK ministers had raised concerns about “commercial confidentiality”. 

But Whitehall sources have hit back, branding the Scottish Government’s actions “completely irresponsible” and revealing that health officials and ministers had been forced to scramble on Wednesday evening to contain the fallout among vaccine manufacturers.

They also criticised the Scottish health secretary Jeane Freeman, who on Wednesday named a vaccine storage facility while speaking in Holyrood.

The Daily Telegraph understands that amid the fallout, Boris Johnson’s private secretary called Ms Sturgeon’s private secretary on Thursday morning to discuss the controversy. 

A UK source said "this reflects how seriously the publication of the figures was being taken", adding: "In that call the Scottish Government admitted it had published them in error."

However, a source close to Ms Sturgeon insisted the call had been to thank the First Minister for hastily taking the document down, adding: “We will act as a responsible government at every stage – and the last thing anyone should be doing is trying to politicise the issue of lifesaving vaccines.”  

 
The UK delivery schedule and vaccine storage locations have so far been kept secret by the Government, with ministers and officials warning of security risks due to the vaccine being a “valuable commodity.” 

There is also concern that disclosure would lead to vaccine manufacturers, such as Pfizer and AstraZeneca, facing a backlash from other countries who have not secured as good a deal as the UK.

During a UK-wide call recently, leaders of the three devolved administrations were urged to keep details of vaccine supplies to their countries secret, with officials warning of the risk that an international backlash opened up the risk of future supplies being diverted.

But on Wednesday evening the Scottish Government published a deployment plan online, from which it was possible to estimate approximately how many doses are being readied for distribution across the UK this month. It also provided rough estimates all the way up to May. 

The document has now been retracted, with the Scottish Government publishing a new version on Thursday evening which omitted sensitive supply figures, but insiders have warned that the “damage has already been done.”

Following the publication, The Daily Telegraph understands that Department for Health officials and members of the vaccine task force held emergency talks to discuss their response. 

In a bid to reassure vaccine manufacturers, Nadhim Zahawi, the minister in charge of the rollout, is also understood to have contacted Pascal Soriot, the chief executive of AstraZeneca. 

A Government source said: “There are security concerns. It’s a highly valuable commodity. Officials in the taskforce and DH were on a huge mission last night to reassure manufacturers and suppliers.

“Hopefully people understand the reason why we can’t do this. It’s a security concern but also there is a need to protect suppliers who will be under pressure from other countries due to the sheer volume we have in this country.” 

Speaking at her daily Covid briefing, Ms Sturgeon said: "We published a vaccine deployment plan yesterday, of which a lot of detail has been temporarily taken off the website.

"We were seeking to be and think it is important to be very transparent around all aspects of this, to be clear on the targets we are setting for the numbers of people vaccinated, then to get people as much assurance as we can, subject all the caveats that we still have to put in place about the supply flows that we're expecting.

"But the UK Government's got some commercial confidentiality concerns about that so we're having a discussion with them about what can be published."

Pressed on whether the disclosure would lead to other countries putting pressure on vaccine manufacturers to divert more doses away from the UK, she said: "I'm not convinced of that.

"The UK Government have been talking for a long time about the supplies that they have managed to secure so these are estimates of the supplies have been secured.”

The Scottish Government has also defended Ms Freeman’s naming of the vaccine storage facility, with a spokesman stating that the location was "already in the public domain" and the name of the distribution agent was also "widely known". 

However, Donald Cameron MSP, the Scottish Conservative health spokesman, said: "Yesterday, the health secretary revealed a secret location that Scottish Government officials wanted to keep confidential.

“Now, they've had to pull a whole vaccination plan out of sheer incompetence. These mistakes potentially endanger supplies and risk impacting the rollout of the vaccine.”

[jack D and coke]

They don’t half print some shite these papers. I wasted a couple of minutes of my life reading that nothing story. 

[JyTees]

5 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

They don’t half print some shite these papers. I wasted a couple of minutes of my life reading that nothing story. 

 

Yep, move along, nothing to see here.

 

The stock response.

[JyTees]

14 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

From the Daily Telegraph

 

Nicola Sturgeon has been accused of putting the UK’s vaccination programme in jeopardy after the Scottish Government was forced to retract its jabs delivery plan amid a transparency row.

Scotland’s First Minister on Thursday insisted the deployment schedule had been published on “transparency” grounds, adding that she was “not convinced” that it would have any impact on supply. 

Defending the move, she insisted that the plan, which provided official estimates for future deliveries of the vaccine until May, had only been removed because UK ministers had raised concerns about “commercial confidentiality”. 

But Whitehall sources have hit back, branding the Scottish Government’s actions “completely irresponsible” and revealing that health officials and ministers had been forced to scramble on Wednesday evening to contain the fallout among vaccine manufacturers.

They also criticised the Scottish health secretary Jeane Freeman, who on Wednesday named a vaccine storage facility while speaking in Holyrood.

The Daily Telegraph understands that amid the fallout, Boris Johnson’s private secretary called Ms Sturgeon’s private secretary on Thursday morning to discuss the controversy. 

A UK source said "this reflects how seriously the publication of the figures was being taken", adding: "In that call the Scottish Government admitted it had published them in error."

However, a source close to Ms Sturgeon insisted the call had been to thank the First Minister for hastily taking the document down, adding: “We will act as a responsible government at every stage – and the last thing anyone should be doing is trying to politicise the issue of lifesaving vaccines.”  

 
The UK delivery schedule and vaccine storage locations have so far been kept secret by the Government, with ministers and officials warning of security risks due to the vaccine being a “valuable commodity.” 

There is also concern that disclosure would lead to vaccine manufacturers, such as Pfizer and AstraZeneca, facing a backlash from other countries who have not secured as good a deal as the UK.

During a UK-wide call recently, leaders of the three devolved administrations were urged to keep details of vaccine supplies to their countries secret, with officials warning of the risk that an international backlash opened up the risk of future supplies being diverted.

But on Wednesday evening the Scottish Government published a deployment plan online, from which it was possible to estimate approximately how many doses are being readied for distribution across the UK this month. It also provided rough estimates all the way up to May. 

The document has now been retracted, with the Scottish Government publishing a new version on Thursday evening which omitted sensitive supply figures, but insiders have warned that the “damage has already been done.”

Following the publication, The Daily Telegraph understands that Department for Health officials and members of the vaccine task force held emergency talks to discuss their response. 

In a bid to reassure vaccine manufacturers, Nadhim Zahawi, the minister in charge of the rollout, is also understood to have contacted Pascal Soriot, the chief executive of AstraZeneca. 

A Government source said: “There are security concerns. It’s a highly valuable commodity. Officials in the taskforce and DH were on a huge mission last night to reassure manufacturers and suppliers.

“Hopefully people understand the reason why we can’t do this. It’s a security concern but also there is a need to protect suppliers who will be under pressure from other countries due to the sheer volume we have in this country.” 

Speaking at her daily Covid briefing, Ms Sturgeon said: "We published a vaccine deployment plan yesterday, of which a lot of detail has been temporarily taken off the website.

"We were seeking to be and think it is important to be very transparent around all aspects of this, to be clear on the targets we are setting for the numbers of people vaccinated, then to get people as much assurance as we can, subject all the caveats that we still have to put in place about the supply flows that we're expecting.

"But the UK Government's got some commercial confidentiality concerns about that so we're having a discussion with them about what can be published."

Pressed on whether the disclosure would lead to other countries putting pressure on vaccine manufacturers to divert more doses away from the UK, she said: "I'm not convinced of that.

"The UK Government have been talking for a long time about the supplies that they have managed to secure so these are estimates of the supplies have been secured.”

The Scottish Government has also defended Ms Freeman’s naming of the vaccine storage facility, with a spokesman stating that the location was "already in the public domain" and the name of the distribution agent was also "widely known". 

However, Donald Cameron MSP, the Scottish Conservative health spokesman, said: "Yesterday, the health secretary revealed a secret location that Scottish Government officials wanted to keep confidential.

“Now, they've had to pull a whole vaccination plan out of sheer incompetence. These mistakes potentially endanger supplies and risk impacting the rollout of the vaccine.”

 

Thanks Seymour 👍🏻

[Lord Inglis]

20 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

From the Daily Telegraph

 

Nicola Sturgeon has been accused of putting the UK’s vaccination programme in jeopardy after the Scottish Government was forced to retract its jabs delivery plan amid a transparency row.

Scotland’s First Minister on Thursday insisted the deployment schedule had been published on “transparency” grounds, adding that she was “not convinced” that it would have any impact on supply. 

Defending the move, she insisted that the plan, which provided official estimates for future deliveries of the vaccine until May, had only been removed because UK ministers had raised concerns about “commercial confidentiality”. 

But Whitehall sources have hit back, branding the Scottish Government’s actions “completely irresponsible” and revealing that health officials and ministers had been forced to scramble on Wednesday evening to contain the fallout among vaccine manufacturers.

They also criticised the Scottish health secretary Jeane Freeman, who on Wednesday named a vaccine storage facility while speaking in Holyrood.

The Daily Telegraph understands that amid the fallout, Boris Johnson’s private secretary called Ms Sturgeon’s private secretary on Thursday morning to discuss the controversy. 

A UK source said "this reflects how seriously the publication of the figures was being taken", adding: "In that call the Scottish Government admitted it had published them in error."

However, a source close to Ms Sturgeon insisted the call had been to thank the First Minister for hastily taking the document down, adding: “We will act as a responsible government at every stage – and the last thing anyone should be doing is trying to politicise the issue of lifesaving vaccines.”  

 
The UK delivery schedule and vaccine storage locations have so far been kept secret by the Government, with ministers and officials warning of security risks due to the vaccine being a “valuable commodity.” 

There is also concern that disclosure would lead to vaccine manufacturers, such as Pfizer and AstraZeneca, facing a backlash from other countries who have not secured as good a deal as the UK.

During a UK-wide call recently, leaders of the three devolved administrations were urged to keep details of vaccine supplies to their countries secret, with officials warning of the risk that an international backlash opened up the risk of future supplies being diverted.

But on Wednesday evening the Scottish Government published a deployment plan online, from which it was possible to estimate approximately how many doses are being readied for distribution across the UK this month. It also provided rough estimates all the way up to May. 

The document has now been retracted, with the Scottish Government publishing a new version on Thursday evening which omitted sensitive supply figures, but insiders have warned that the “damage has already been done.”

Following the publication, The Daily Telegraph understands that Department for Health officials and members of the vaccine task force held emergency talks to discuss their response. 

In a bid to reassure vaccine manufacturers, Nadhim Zahawi, the minister in charge of the rollout, is also understood to have contacted Pascal Soriot, the chief executive of AstraZeneca. 

A Government source said: “There are security concerns. It’s a highly valuable commodity. Officials in the taskforce and DH were on a huge mission last night to reassure manufacturers and suppliers.

“Hopefully people understand the reason why we can’t do this. It’s a security concern but also there is a need to protect suppliers who will be under pressure from other countries due to the sheer volume we have in this country.” 

Speaking at her daily Covid briefing, Ms Sturgeon said: "We published a vaccine deployment plan yesterday, of which a lot of detail has been temporarily taken off the website.

"We were seeking to be and think it is important to be very transparent around all aspects of this, to be clear on the targets we are setting for the numbers of people vaccinated, then to get people as much assurance as we can, subject all the caveats that we still have to put in place about the supply flows that we're expecting.

"But the UK Government's got some commercial confidentiality concerns about that so we're having a discussion with them about what can be published."

Pressed on whether the disclosure would lead to other countries putting pressure on vaccine manufacturers to divert more doses away from the UK, she said: "I'm not convinced of that.

"The UK Government have been talking for a long time about the supplies that they have managed to secure so these are estimates of the supplies have been secured.”

The Scottish Government has also defended Ms Freeman’s naming of the vaccine storage facility, with a spokesman stating that the location was "already in the public domain" and the name of the distribution agent was also "widely known". 

However, Donald Cameron MSP, the Scottish Conservative health spokesman, said: "Yesterday, the health secretary revealed a secret location that Scottish Government officials wanted to keep confidential.

“Now, they've had to pull a whole vaccination plan out of sheer incompetence. These mistakes potentially endanger supplies and risk impacting the rollout of the vaccine.”

Amateur hour (again). Does the official secrets act not exist anymore for those in public service. 

[jack D and coke]

10 minutes ago, JyTees said:

 

Yep, move along, nothing to see here.

 

The stock response.

Was I meant to be outraged?  

Id say the same whoever was in charge. 
Mountains and molehills springs to mind. 

[manaliveits105]

1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

From the Daily Telegraph

 

Nicola Sturgeon has been accused of putting the UK’s vaccination programme in jeopardy after the Scottish Government was forced to retract its jabs delivery plan amid a transparency row.

Scotland’s First Minister on Thursday insisted the deployment schedule had been published on “transparency” grounds, adding that she was “not convinced” that it would have any impact on supply. 

Defending the move, she insisted that the plan, which provided official estimates for future deliveries of the vaccine until May, had only been removed because UK ministers had raised concerns about “commercial confidentiality”. 

But Whitehall sources have hit back, branding the Scottish Government’s actions “completely irresponsible” and revealing that health officials and ministers had been forced to scramble on Wednesday evening to contain the fallout among vaccine manufacturers.

They also criticised the Scottish health secretary Jeane Freeman, who on Wednesday named a vaccine storage facility while speaking in Holyrood.

The Daily Telegraph understands that amid the fallout, Boris Johnson’s private secretary called Ms Sturgeon’s private secretary on Thursday morning to discuss the controversy. 

A UK source said "this reflects how seriously the publication of the figures was being taken", adding: "In that call the Scottish Government admitted it had published them in error."

However, a source close to Ms Sturgeon insisted the call had been to thank the First Minister for hastily taking the document down, adding: “We will act as a responsible government at every stage – and the last thing anyone should be doing is trying to politicise the issue of lifesaving vaccines.”  

 
The UK delivery schedule and vaccine storage locations have so far been kept secret by the Government, with ministers and officials warning of security risks due to the vaccine being a “valuable commodity.” 

There is also concern that disclosure would lead to vaccine manufacturers, such as Pfizer and AstraZeneca, facing a backlash from other countries who have not secured as good a deal as the UK.

During a UK-wide call recently, leaders of the three devolved administrations were urged to keep details of vaccine supplies to their countries secret, with officials warning of the risk that an international backlash opened up the risk of future supplies being diverted.

But on Wednesday evening the Scottish Government published a deployment plan online, from which it was possible to estimate approximately how many doses are being readied for distribution across the UK this month. It also provided rough estimates all the way up to May. 

The document has now been retracted, with the Scottish Government publishing a new version on Thursday evening which omitted sensitive supply figures, but insiders have warned that the “damage has already been done.”

Following the publication, The Daily Telegraph understands that Department for Health officials and members of the vaccine task force held emergency talks to discuss their response. 

In a bid to reassure vaccine manufacturers, Nadhim Zahawi, the minister in charge of the rollout, is also understood to have contacted Pascal Soriot, the chief executive of AstraZeneca. 

A Government source said: “There are security concerns. It’s a highly valuable commodity. Officials in the taskforce and DH were on a huge mission last night to reassure manufacturers and suppliers.

“Hopefully people understand the reason why we can’t do this. It’s a security concern but also there is a need to protect suppliers who will be under pressure from other countries due to the sheer volume we have in this country.” 

Speaking at her daily Covid briefing, Ms Sturgeon said: "We published a vaccine deployment plan yesterday, of which a lot of detail has been temporarily taken off the website.

"We were seeking to be and think it is important to be very transparent around all aspects of this, to be clear on the targets we are setting for the numbers of people vaccinated, then to get people as much assurance as we can, subject all the caveats that we still have to put in place about the supply flows that we're expecting.

"But the UK Government's got some commercial confidentiality concerns about that so we're having a discussion with them about what can be published."

Pressed on whether the disclosure would lead to other countries putting pressure on vaccine manufacturers to divert more doses away from the UK, she said: "I'm not convinced of that.

"The UK Government have been talking for a long time about the supplies that they have managed to secure so these are estimates of the supplies have been secured.”

The Scottish Government has also defended Ms Freeman’s naming of the vaccine storage facility, with a spokesman stating that the location was "already in the public domain" and the name of the distribution agent was also "widely known". 

However, Donald Cameron MSP, the Scottish Conservative health spokesman, said: "Yesterday, the health secretary revealed a secret location that Scottish Government officials wanted to keep confidential.

“Now, they've had to pull a whole vaccination plan out of sheer incompetence. These mistakes potentially endanger supplies and risk impacting the rollout of the vaccine.”

CARELESS TALK COSTS LIVES - lets hope the UKs supplies are not affected by the fall out 

SG at its best.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Cruyff said:

They phone folk, thousands of people in an area or within various age group or gender criteria and have to get 1017 responses or something like that to get a good sample. 

 

I did one once with ipsos prior to the 2014 Ref but the thing is, a poll has a +/- 3 to 7% margin of error and even then, all the respondents have to be telling the truth.

 

So, I'd personally always take polls with a pinch of salt but that said, given there has been 18 showing a majority pro Indy response, that probably does mean that support for Independence is somewhere around the 50% mark. 

 

 

3 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

If you sign up to YouGov and do their online surveys you get asked occasionally. It’s not specifically for that question you get asked a whole range of questions about pretty much everything and anything but sometimes political questions like that are in the surveys. 

Thanks. I'd wrongly assumed they were completey random.

 

 

[Fxxx the SPFL]

On 14/01/2021 at 17:59, Space Mackerel said:

And from the same poll.

 

 

don;t know who they are contacting but of six people i know all voted previously for independence and now four are not voting SNP including my wife. i will still be voting SNP but i want the fish binned she's obviously teetotal. you can sit outside on a bench/wall whatever and drink coffee etc but can't drink alcohol what a feckin boot 

[Space Mackerel]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. You couldnae make it up 🤣🤣🤣

 

[Space Mackerel]

5 hours ago, Candy said:

How do they go about doing these polls?  I always imagined folk with clipboards walking around town centres accosting  members of the public, but I guess that's not been possible lately?

 They do the polls on clipboards outside Goldberg’s at Tollcross. Every Friday afternoon. 
Us Indy supporters give them a shilling and they double the ticks on the notepad from Woolworths. 
 

Dead easy. 

[Weakened Offender]

1 hour ago, **** the SPFL said:

don;t know who they are contacting but of six people i know all voted previously for independence and now four are not voting SNP including my wife. i will still be voting SNP but i want the fish binned she's obviously teetotal. you can sit outside on a bench/wall whatever and drink coffee etc but can't drink alcohol what a feckin boot 

 

You shouldn't be allowed to vote. 

[Space Mackerel]

6 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

You shouldn't be allowed to vote. 

Im not so sure SNP voters refer to Oor Nic as the “fish”

 

Seems like a lot of made up shite. 

[Fxxx the SPFL]

7 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

You shouldn't be allowed to vote. 

none of us might not be able to vote if covid is still on the go lol

[Space Mackerel]

Just now, **** the SPFL said:

none of us might not be able to vote if covid is still on the go lol

They managed fine in the US and plenty other countries during the pandemic. 

[Fxxx the SPFL]

Just now, Space Mackerel said:

Im not so sure SNP voters refer to Oor Nic as the “fish”

 

Seems like a lot of made up shite. 

my modern studies teacher at Tynie school circa 1972 was a big scottish nationalist and that's what swung me to wanting independence. Nic is just turning into another fish Salmond imo.

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

They managed fine in the US and plenty other countries during the pandemic. 

Yes, that went swimmingly 

[Space Mackerel]

18 minutes ago, Candy said:

Yes, that went swimmingly 

Are you suggesting Douglas Ross is going to summon the bams and attack Holyrood? 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

Are you suggesting Douglas Ross is going to summon the bams and attack Holyrood? 

The elections should be postponed. I've said before on here that it's crazy to ask potentially thousands of people to go to same location on the same day. Its totally irresponsible. 

 

For the record I've no idea what party - if any - that would benefit.

 

Imagine saying just now that a few thousand can go to the Scottish Cup final in May. It's inconceivable.

Edited January 15, 2021 by Candy

[Space Mackerel]

8 minutes ago, Candy said:

The elections should be postponed. I've said before on here that it's crazy to ask potentially thousands of people to go to same location on the same day. Its totally irresponsible. 

 

For the record I've no idea what party - if any - that would benefit.

 

Imagine saying just now that a few thousand can go to the Scottish Cup final in May. It's inconceivable.

Aye, polling stations are rammed to the hilt for 15 hours on the day 🤣

[theshed]

6 minutes ago, Candy said:

The elections should be postponed. I've said before on here that it's crazy to ask potentially thousands of people to go to same location on the same day. Its totally irresponsible. 

 

For the record I've no idea what party - if any - that would benefit.

 

Imagine saying just now that a few thousand can go to the Scottish Cup final in May. It's inconceivable.

The SNP want it to go ahead as they know their supporters will turn up no matter what to vote but people who don’t vote SNP probably won’t go out to vote 

 

Probably just means SNP win by more votes than they would’ve 

[theshed]

Just now, Space Mackerel said:

Aye, polling stations are rammed to the hilt for 15 hours on the day 🤣

My local chippy ain’t rammed 15 hours a day but I’m not allowed into anymore 

[Space Mackerel]

11 minutes ago, theshed said:

My local chippy ain’t rammed 15 hours a day but I’m not allowed into anymore 

It’s still January m8. If you use your fingers and toes, May is the 5th month of the year. 

[theshed]

14 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

It’s still January m8. If you use your fingers and toes, May is the 5th month of the year. 

Well I hope you’re right cause 5 months ago I didn’t think we’d be where we are at the moment so fingers crossed we aren’t saying the same come May 

[Space Mackerel]

7 minutes ago, theshed said:

Well I hope you’re right cause 5 months ago I didn’t think we’d be where we are at the moment so fingers crossed we aren’t saying the same come May 

They were talking about a 2nd wave during the winter well before 5 months ago. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

They were talking about a 2nd wave during the winter well before 5 months ago. 

Its less than 4 months to the election date and were in a lockdown that will likely continue until the end of February at least.

 

[Space Mackerel]

This is utter brilliance.

 

 

[coconut doug]

1 hour ago, Space Mackerel said:

This is utter brilliance.

 

 

 

Excellent stuff and all done in a language that doesn't exist according to some on here.

[manaliveits105]

Cringe doesn't cover that absolute knob - shortbread tin politics 

Edited January 16, 2021 by manaliveits105

[Space Mackerel]

1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

Cringe doesn't cover that absolute knob - shortbread tin politics 

Does Rabbie Burns give you Scotch cringe? 
 

Anyway, this will give you a laugh.

 

 

[manaliveits105]

Labour 🇬🇧👍

Anyone But Snp 

[Space Mackerel]

51 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Labour 🇬🇧👍

Anyone But Snp 

About half Labour voters support Independence now. 
 

Are you a hard leftie Corbyn, free broadband etc or a full on right wing Starmer pro Brexit supporter now? You must have had you’re mind blown past few years 😁

[manaliveits105]

I leave that to the “special brew” nationalists 

[Space Mackerel]

22 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

I leave that to the “special brew” nationalists 

Are you a proper socialist or a pro Brexit Red Tory now? 
 

It’s a simple question. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

17 hours ago, coconut doug said:

 

Excellent stuff and all done in a language that doesn't exist according to some on here.

 

The definition of easily pleased. 

[coconut doug]

19 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

The definition of easily pleased. 

 

So you don't see any linguistic value or lyrical quality in the poetry, who could have predicted that?

[Seymour M Hersh]

1 minute ago, coconut doug said:

 

So you don't see any linguistic value or lyrical quality in the poetry, who could have predicted that?

 

It's not my cup of java but each to their own. You are hilariously predictable though. 

[coconut doug]

13 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

It's not my cup of java but each to their own. You are hilariously predictable though. 

 

Definition of easily amused, then.

[Seymour M Hersh]

2 hours ago, coconut doug said:

 

Definition of easily amused, then.

 

And you never let us down. 

[Space Mackerel]

15 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

this will give you a laugh, https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-integrity-of-a-nation/#more-123407

Unionists getting a lob on about Wings noo. 😁😁😁

 

 

[manaliveits105]

7 hours ago, Zlatanable said:

this will give you a laugh, https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-integrity-of-a-nation/#more-123407

It’s good to get the truth out there about the corrupt SG and Salmondgate 

[Justin Z]

7 hours ago, Space Mackerel said:

Unionists getting a lob on about Wings noo. 😁😁😁

 

6 hours ago, Zlatanable said:

Yup. Waiting for the moment when what is going to happen happens. 

 

  

On 09/01/2021 at 00:38, Justin Z said:

What a strange situation.

 

But one thing we can be quite sure of, is that every poster who didn't believe a word uttered by Salmond at or around his trial, will now take everything he says about Sturgeon 100% at face value.