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ross1992
43 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Trouble is, they were all shite under Levein’s tactics too. So maybe we should just accept that these players are utter wank.

 

My thoughts exactly. The idea that these players are spitting the dummy out is infuriating. Their performances, their lack of bottle, guts and desire. 

 

For god sake we need to just stay up and empty half this lot over the summer. 

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jock _turd

It is funny that none of this sort of crap came out when CL was "managing" the team... of course back then these players were allowed to be totally shite for ninety minutes and still get to play again the next weekend. The truth of the matter is there are some truly terrible players at Hearts just now and they were all signed by Levein ... there is the common denominator. It is just a case of shite players signed by a shite manager  moaning that they are being told they are shite by the new manager.... while all the time the old manager is still on the premises, you could not make that up really only at Hearts under AB could that happen. 

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tokyowalnut
Just now, Nicholas Brody said:

There is certainly some truth in this but as per usual from the Sun, has been completely spun to suit an agenda.

 

There is certainly a couple players who are not keen on playing a certain way, you can probably guess, and who are using this communication pish as to the reason why they cant adapt. He speaks with a strong german accent, not in German ffs. Add into the fact he has two assistants who speak perfect English and Andy Kirk helping him. Christ even Peter Haring was drafted in. There's no excuses.

 

Players like Walker and Clare have got their head down and improved and are enjoying playing football again whilst others are only getting fleeting appearances after not doing what they are told. Trying daft step overs in front of the dugout and falling on your arse probably doesn't help. 

 

The fact he has Jamie Walker working harder speaks volumes to me! 

 

Surely 95% of ticket holders inside Tynecastle could see that Berra was finished and Whelen offered us nothing. Snippets from some on here and also through a couple of people I know said that Daly held zero respect at Riccarton. So the Sun can sensationalise all they want, but we know the facts that were right in front of us.

 

If, for example, McCann had got the job and had performed the same way that Stendal has there is no chance he would have been treated in the same way. 

 

We should have won on Saturday, even after being 2 down. We had plenty of chances, we are in a shit place, we get no breaks or luck when we need it. But, I still see enough fight in the team that says to me that most players are trying to perform for DS. There are a couple of exceptions. 

 

I still have faith in DS. 

 

The Sun, and Hibs can away and fling shite at themselves.

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grumpyespana
53 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

I don’t doubt that at the very least this story will be partially true.

 

The way I see it is this:

 

1) Stendel’s results don’t reflect well on him but he’s been dealt a shite hand.

2) Levein and Budge have built the most pathetic squad in our history. They’ve bred a culture where players and staff aspire to nothing and are not held accountable.

3) Levein and Budge need to **** off straight away.

I think you are being a bit hard on our Ann she came in and saved our club along with the FOH but she admitted like plenty of our support she did not have a clue how to run the football side of things that's why she employed the experience of Craig, as things have panned out things have went pear shaped and Daniel has been dealt a poor hand to start with. Are we going down maybe but we need to support the team until its impossible for us to stay up as I have said previously I have seen worse times than this so come on guys stay positive and get behind our manager.

 

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Lovecraft
27 minutes ago, Cade said:

New manager shakes up lazy, entitled primadonna players non-shocker..

100% behind the manager on this one.

 

The only way players are entitled to a place in the team or respect is to perform well on the pitch.

 Basically - to do their well paid ****ing jobs.

 

There is no excuse for a player to ever give less than 100% in any game.

 

 

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Der Kaiser

The Sun as a newspaper has no credibility and hasn't for a long time.

 

They could be 100% right or 100% wrong but they've cried wolf, misinformed,  harassed so many times on sport and other news that their reporting is too dubious to take at face value.

 

If the Sun said the Earth was round it would have the most staunch scientists questioning their own beliefs.

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JimKongUno
1 minute ago, Der Kaiser said:

The Sun as a newspaper has no credibility and hasn't for a long time.

 

They could be 100% right or 100% wrong but they've cried wolf, misinformed,  harassed so many times on sport and other news that their reporting is too dubious to take at face value.

 

If the Sun said the Earth was round it would have the most staunch scientists questioning their own beliefs.

 

Steady on now everyone knows earth is flat 

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jack D and coke
10 minutes ago, jock _turd said:

It is funny that none of this sort of crap came out when CL was "managing" the team... of course back then these players were allowed to be totally shite for ninety minutes and still get to play again the next weekend. The truth of the matter is there are some truly terrible players at Hearts just now and they were all signed by Levein ... there is the common denominator. It is just a case of shite players signed by a shite manager  moaning that they are being told they are shite by the new manager.... while all the time the old manager is still on the premises, you could not make that up really only at Hearts under AB could that happen. 

Absolutely bang on mate. 

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Mauricio Pinilla
15 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said:

Several times after naismith had a pop at players he then clapped and encouraged them. 

 

Amazing how when he plays well nobody minds him but when he underperforms he's suddenly a twat to those around him.

 

He is a massive player for us and we are lucky to have him.

 

Yeah i didn't mean to have a go at naismith there, can understand his frustration. 

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HMFC86
4 minutes ago, Der Kaiser said:

The Sun as a newspaper has no credibility and hasn't for a long time.

 

They could be 100% right or 100% wrong but they've cried wolf, misinformed,  harassed so many times on sport and other news that their reporting is too dubious to take at face value.

 

If the Sun said the Earth was round it would have the most staunch scientists questioning their own beliefs.

Daily Record saying it’s nonsense and the club will respond 

 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/daniel-stendel-hearts-players-support-21519549

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Special Officer Doofy

Didn't The Sun have to come out and deny that Hibs.net poster Bajillions (now Gus Fring) was in fact their Scottish (Sports?) Editor, as was heavily rumoured c2013/4? Around about the time when they were still labouring under the assumption that they could help get us liquidated. I have a vague recollection of this.

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Sexton Hardcastle

What’s with idiots and the sun. “Am no reading the s*n, they are scum”

 

Posts links to the sun. 

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HMFC01
10 hours ago, Bunny Munro said:

Sun online running an article that half the players are fed up with Stendels man management and communication skills.

 

"It is understood some players struggle to make sense of Stendel’s instructions on how he wants them to play.

Others are bitter over being dumped when they don’t immediately deliver."

 

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5293264/hearts-stendel-battle-win-over-players/

 

Yes I know it's the Sun...

 

It reminds of the Kings of Leon song The Bucket.  Their passion/careers have kicked it.

 

If it's true anyway.  Like some others posted it's another distraction for Rangers.

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Kenbo

Shit stirring story - if only the players actually gave a shit enough to be pissed off about not playing or tactics! Bar Clare, Smith, Boyce and Naismith (on his day) the rest can GTF. I would rather have Stendel than any one of them. People need to realise this toxic atmosphere has been building for a hell of a long time. And as much as I love her, Budge is not fixing things by letting Levein hang around behind the scenes. They all should have been emptied completely the day she finally decided to relieve him of his duties. IF we go down, I only hope we can keep hold of DS and give him the chance to actually build HIS team. If we can't then we will be destined have some bargain basement "typical Scottish" manager who will only lead us to further mediocracy! The next few weeks are going to be crucial not only to our league survival, but also the standard of team we are for the foreseeable future I fear. 

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johnthomas
22 minutes ago, jock _turd said:

It is funny that none of this sort of crap came out when CL was "managing" the team... of course back then these players were allowed to be totally shite for ninety minutes and still get to play again the next weekend. The truth of the matter is there are some truly terrible players at Hearts just now and they were all signed by Levein ... there is the common denominator. It is just a case of shite players signed by a shite manager  moaning that they are being told they are shite by the new manager.... while all the time the old manager is still on the premises, you could not make that up really only at Hearts under AB could that happen. 

I'm puzzled by the constant references to 'truly terrible players'/'worst squad in the clubs history' .

Who , exactly , are people referring to ?

I see a poor team which I find all the more frustrating because I think we have good players 

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jack D and coke
1 minute ago, Kenbo said:

Shit stirring story - if only the players actually gave a shit enough to be pissed off about not playing or tactics! Bar Clare, Smith, Boyce and Naismith (on his day) the rest can GTF. I would rather have Stendel than any one of them. People need to realise this toxic atmosphere has been building for a hell of a long time. And as much as I love her, Budge is not fixing things by letting Levein hang around behind the scenes. They all should have been emptied completely the day she finally decided to relieve him of his duties. IF we go down, I only hope we can keep hold of DS and give him the chance to actually build HIS team. If we can't then we will be destined have some bargain basement "typical Scottish" manager who will only lead us to further mediocracy! The next few weeks are going to be crucial not only to our league survival, but also the standard of team we are for the foreseeable future I fear. 

Exactly how I feel mate. Levein should be removed forthwith. Get the **** out you leeching *****. 

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allanwilson1970

There is no split. 100 percent of the players are revolting against Stendel. After listening to him for months and tolerating him sacrificing Berra etc to then seeing the caliber of shite he signed that was a major alarm bell, how he treated McDonald against Celtic was another and I am told the final straw was the tactics before during and after the Hamilton game. 
 

This can be easily proven or not, ask Budge directly if she has had a delegation of players meeting her to say they want him out and also if that delegation included a current coach. 
 

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Harry Potter

The Sun.:vrface:.

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Hectormasson
27 minutes ago, jock _turd said:

It is funny that none of this sort of crap came out when CL was "managing" the team... of course back then these players were allowed to be totally shite for ninety minutes and still get to play again the next weekend. The truth of the matter is there are some truly terrible players at Hearts just now and they were all signed by Levein ... there is the common denominator. It is just a case of shite players signed by a shite manager  moaning that they are being told they are shite by the new manager.... while all the time the old manager is still on the premises, you could not make that up really only at Hearts under AB could that happen. 

Wage thief w......s the majority......

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Fort Vallance

The players are in no position to complain. Not the time to get precious after some of their performances.

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3fingersreid

If , as alleged by that scab rag , the players don’t understand what Herr  Stendel is asking them to do , they could always ask Dale Tonge or Andy Kirk what he wants as they seem to understand him okay ..

 

 

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Hectormasson
30 minutes ago, ross1992 said:

 

My thoughts exactly. The idea that these players are spitting the dummy out is infuriating. Their performances, their lack of bottle, guts and desire. 

 

For god sake we need to just stay up and empty half this lot over the summer. 

Maybe theres more than just a few  totally sick of it at hearts , and basically dont  give a f...k whether we go down or not ? Like I said total wage thiefs to a man ....

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tokyowalnut
5 minutes ago, allanwilson1970 said:

There is no split. 100 percent of the players are revolting against Stendel. After listening to him for months and tolerating him sacrificing Berra etc to then seeing the caliber of shite he signed that was a major alarm bell, how he treated McDonald against Celtic was another and I am told the final straw was the tactics before during and after the Hamilton game. 
 

This can be easily proven or not, ask Budge directly if she has had a delegation of players meeting her to say they want him out and also if that delegation included a current coach. 
 

So, a current coach would either be Fox or Kirk. Doubtful to be Kirk, likely to be be Fox, if your 'story' is true. 

 

He didn't 'sacrifice' Berra, Berra was finished. Everyone could see that. 

 

For the record, you're talking bollocks about player revolts. 

 

Edited by tokyowalnut

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Flaps_98
4 minutes ago, allanwilson1970 said:

There is no split. 100 percent of the players are revolting against Stendel. After listening to him for months and tolerating him sacrificing Berra etc to then seeing the caliber of shite he signed that was a major alarm bell, how he treated McDonald against Celtic was another and I am told the final straw was the tactics before during and after the Hamilton game. 
 

This can be easily proven or not, ask Budge directly if she has had a delegation of players meeting her to say they want him out and also if that delegation included a current coach. 
 

This is quite a statement.

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McCrae
2 hours ago, davemclaren said:

You know that for sure re no compensation? Reduced terms more likely which will have an impact on negotiations. 


Standard practice is to have a break clause in the event of relegation where players can be released from their contracts. 

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3fingersreid
5 minutes ago, allanwilson1970 said:

There is no split. 100 percent of the players are revolting against Stendel. After listening to him for months and tolerating him sacrificing Berra etc to then seeing the caliber of shite he signed that was a major alarm bell, how he treated McDonald against Celtic was another and I am told the final straw was the tactics before during and after the Hamilton game. 
 

This can be easily proven or not, ask Budge directly if she has had a delegation of players meeting her to say they want him out and also if that delegation included a current coach. 
 

Is that 1st paragraph from the article ? I don’t read that rag so it’s a genuine question.

 

 

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Nicholas Brody
5 minutes ago, allanwilson1970 said:

There is no split. 100 percent of the players are revolting against Stendel. After listening to him for months and tolerating him sacrificing Berra etc to then seeing the caliber of shite he signed that was a major alarm bell, how he treated McDonald against Celtic was another and I am told the final straw was the tactics before during and after the Hamilton game. 
 

This can be easily proven or not, ask Budge directly if she has had a delegation of players meeting her to say they want him out and also if that delegation included a current coach. 
 

 

Utter shite that will be proven so later.

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Whatever
7 minutes ago, allanwilson1970 said:

100 percent of the players are revolting against Stendel.


Well I know for a cast iron fact, that is garbage.

 

Which in turn kinda throws the credibility of the rest of your post into question.

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Whatever
3 minutes ago, Nicholas Brody said:

 

Utter shite that will be proven so later.


:thumbsup:

 

 

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Dazo
Just now, Whatever said:


Well I know for a cast iron fact, that is garbage.

 

Which in turn kinda throws the credibility of the rest of your post into question.


So do I. I’m slowly losing faith in DS but people making stuff up to discredit him is doing us no favours. 

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Koolkeith
24 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

Didn't The Sun have to come out and deny that Hibs.net poster Bajillions (now Gus Fring) was in fact their Scottish (Sports?) Editor, as was heavily rumoured c2013/4? Around about the time when they were still labouring under the assumption that they could help get us liquidated. I have a vague recollection of this.

That was the Evening News.

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o1djambo

Not surprised at this news under our lack of a win for long time. Our playing staff have disintegrated under continuous poor management. The results say it all. 

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Special Officer Doofy
1 minute ago, Koolkeith said:

That was the Evening News.

 

Was it? Thought it was The Scottish Sun.

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Whatever
1 minute ago, Koolkeith said:

That was the Evening News.


The Scotsman, but aye.

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Furious Styles

The club are bottom of the league. I’d be amazed if there wasn’t a split to be honest. 

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gorgieheart

so the players cant understand whats being asked of them ? 

 

How, did the Barnsley players manage it ? 

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Sir Gio

Tabloids will always maximise the wow factor.

 

But you have to be blind, ignorant or burying your head in the sand not to realise there are major problems.

 

The players don't know what they are meant to be doing, only 2 games I have not seen were Ross County and Celtic since the break, the majority of games, there is finger pointing, wringing of heads and disputes on the pitch.

 

The concession of goals at the alarming rates tell their own story.

 

They have a whole week this week and then again the following week to sort it out.

 

They need to and quickly regardless of who your personal pet is, player or manager, this situation needs organization and leadership, not the chaos and disorder that continues to exist.

 

 

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Balernojambo
Just now, Dino Velvet said:

The club are bottom of the league. I’d be amazed if there wasn’t a split to be honest. 

 

Totally agree.  If there is not a split there is probably something wrong!! If we lose on Friday I could see it being over for Stendel.

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Sir Gio
Just now, gorgieheart said:

so the players cant understand whats being asked of them ? 

 

How, did the Barnsley players manage it ? 

Well, they were bottom when he left them. One of my initial concerns about this appointment, having listened to some of his Barnsley interviews, they were incoherent.

 

However, I am not giving up on him at all. Playing Saturday, Wednesday and trying to fix things is not ideal. 

 

He has a chance these next 2 weeks to get a bit of order back in our play

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Debut 4

We’ll see on Friday then. Players are notorious for downing tools if they want to put the manager in a bad light. 

 

Or, maybe they’ll still give a performance fearing the wrath of the support?  
 

I hope it’s neither.  I hope there’s contentment and they are liking what DS is doing with hiccups along the way being evident.  
 

But hopefully those hiccups aren’t down to unhappiness.  

Edited by Debut 4

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hearts00

I think Stendel’s tactics are aggressive and a little risky but the two biggest problems are 1) players making basic individual errors that are nothing more than technique related 2) players that have no common sense ability to read the game in certain situations.  
 

Clare has improved but he has been guilty numerous times of late of the latter at RB because he does not know how to play that position. Our CMs are the same and our CHs really have no idea whether they are coming or going plus bad technique. We all know about the GK situation and individual errors. 
 

Stendel is 30% to blame but still feel vast majority of blame lies with the players. 

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merrymac
2 hours ago, Armageddon said:

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Lol what would you expect him to do?? 1 down to Hamilton and ripping Clare then 2 down things needed changed!!!!

Clare was spewing(physically) all over the place.

Might it have been a change in position to take a bit of pressure  off him and give him less running to do?

You can make up anything to suit. I don't see lack of comms I see a manager dealing with an unexpected situation.

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ross1992
13 minutes ago, Hectormasson said:

Maybe theres more than just a few  totally sick of it at hearts , and basically dont  give a f...k whether we go down or not ? Like I said total wage thiefs to a man ....

We are in a rut so it's likely there will be a few grumblings. Add to that the fact that DS has come in and shaken things up then it makes sense. 


Most of these players appear to have been content with the utter dross we've been churning out on a weekly basis for more than a year now. Someone coming in and telling them where they've been failing and how pish they are? God forbid. 

 

If I was taking home a cheeky pay cheque for ***** performances I'd probably be flustered as well. 

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MCW1976
2 hours ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

Agree with all of this, particularly the first paragraph. Massive mistake trying to build a team around him. 

 

I've thought this for a long while now. I could be wrong. I hope I am.

 

He seems to be able to do no wrong whilst screaming at his team-mates for making a mistake (or his interpretation of a mistake). When someone is in your face like that, it's very counterproductive. Demand high standards, but don't be a bully - which I worry he might be.

 

I've watched the way he talks to the other players and you can see them thinking 'WTF?!'.

 

I've worked with rockets and they can sour a workplace beyond words. Result: performance goes out the window and no-one looks forward to going into their work. Don't think it's any different for professional footballers.

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Redhelen
3 hours ago, Gabriel said:

Truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Stendel probably criticizes them for not implementing what he's wanting and players probably respond by saying we're doing what you're asking and it isn't working, Wouldn't be surprised if a senior player has mentioned dressing-room discontent to the club hierarchy.

 

Pointed out in another thread that Stendel has called up 25 players in the last five five league games alone, with 24 getting on the pitch and only Damour not being used. That's an incredible turnover and means players are constantly in and out of his plans. It's  not only about who starts but also about who is on the bench and not.

 

Would imagine the inclusion of Langer and Avdijaj has also raised some hackles. 

   

Think you're right with this. Added to that, that footballers in general seem to moan a lot and are a bunch of gossips! I'm sure there are hated managers that are successful.and vice versa. And some that footballers dislike sometimes and like others. 

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o1djambo

Welcome this news as I thought we are going to sink without a sound. We need anger to get results. 

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davemclaren
1 hour ago, jock _turd said:

The problem at Hearts is that the man who has done the most to drag the club down to where it is now is still within... even after being sacked. Levein should have been pitch forked out the F'n door but instead AB has allowed his odor to linger around the place.

If there is discord it is due to players still feeling the influence of that man within the club, in that they feel they have an ally within who may be able to change things for them.

AB has to bear the blame for the mess we are in right now she did not have the stomach to fire Levein immediately after the end of last season... a very grave error the results of which we are seeing right now. If we survive the season in the SPL it will be a miracle and she should be leaving the club immediately this season is over whatever happens! 

I doubt Levein is sitting in his office sticking pins in a Stendel doll. 

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Victorian

So there's been a (probably exaggerated) story.    There's been another story from a 'rival' source to the contrary.    Neither is worth placing all your eggs in one basket.     Why should either be believed to be completely accurate?     Even if the club refute the allegation,    well you would expect them to,   would you not?

 

The veracity of media stories is not the important thing.     The important thing is the prospect of our manager and players being able to get the job done.    The evidence suggests we're not really making progress towards that objective.

 

Disgruntled players continuing to fail.    Happy gang of happy, delighted, united players continuing to fail.    Same result.

 

The players can be as happy as they like.   They can enjoy as much training as they like.    If they still can't win games then their contentment is of no use to us.

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MCW1976
1 hour ago, Coco said:

 

The Arsenal invincibles were all top class international players.  I bet the likes of Irving or Hickey would get more from Naismith or Boyce applauding an attempt at a through ball rather than being shouted at because they didn't play the pass to feet.

 

Spot on!

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