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davemclaren
3 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Wouldn't really make that much odds. We'll get relegated with the players we are playing and we'll get relegated playing the youths. We've been in relegation form for what? 17 months. 

If Stendel is ruffling a few feathers trying to turn our form around then that is good  Bound to cause a few moans. 

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Sierra Delta

I’d take Stendel over the players that got us into this mess anyway. 

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McCrae

Perhaps the best thing for us is to go down. That will allow us to get rid of the dross without paying any compensation. Otherwise these players will hang about for atleast another year.

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Kylejordan

100% behind Stendel. Yes playing a high pressing game is new for these players but they all know how to press a bloody player, they should hopefully know how to pass to their own player, make a tackle and do the basics that most footballers get paid(some shouldn’t be paid at all) so I don’t get how they can be confused as to what Stendel is wanting. 
they were crap under Levein for the second part of last season and have been crap for this entire season. If they don’t want to stand up and be counted then leave now but don’t blame the manager who has been thrown into the utter deepend. I don’t believe he is out of his dept. You can see the improvement in players e.g Sean Clare( don’t think his best position is right back though) and can see how he has got the fans behind him. 
The Sun newspaper is the same paper that spouted that we had agreed a deal with Celtic to sign Gordon so will take that with a pinch of salt. 
 

truly believe we won’t get relegated this year, think we will scrape 10th position. 
My heart is telling me that we will do a Leicester and survive by the skin of our teeth this year then win the league next 😂😂 one can dream right. 

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1971fozzy

Craig Levein 😂😂😂

If that imposter is here after May in any capacity at this club then  I will not be.
Id rather go down 2 divisions than have him anywhere near this club

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GinRummy
5 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

If Stendel is ruffling a few feathers trying to turn our form around then that is good  Bound to cause a few moans. 

It is but he's running out of time to do it. I just hope regardless of what league we are in or who is in charge next year that there is a massive clear out of these players. 

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davemclaren
3 minutes ago, McCrae said:

Perhaps the best thing for us is to go down. That will allow us to get rid of the dross without paying any compensation. Otherwise these players will hang about for atleast another year.

You know that for sure re no compensation? Reduced terms more likely which will have an impact on negotiations. 

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J80MBO
9 hours ago, Bunny Munro said:

Sun online running an article that half the players are fed up with Stendels man management and communication skills.

 

"It is understood some players struggle to make sense of Stendel’s instructions on how he wants them to play.

Others are bitter over being dumped when they don’t immediately deliver."

 

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5293264/hearts-stendel-battle-win-over-players/

 

Yes I know it's the Sun...

Tbf exactly what looks like on the pitch 

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Dazo
9 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Wouldn't really make that much odds. We'll get relegated with the players we are playing and we'll get relegated playing the youths. We've been in relegation form for what? 17 months. 


Our problem is DS was brought in to change that. He hasn’t and we are in a worse position than when he arrived. Our “castle” is a bouncy one for other teams to turn up without a shred of fear. I’m shocked to be honest I really expected/hoped he was the man to turn us around. 

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GinRummy
4 minutes ago, Kylejordan said:

100% behind Stendel. Yes playing a high pressing game is new for these players but they all know how to press a bloody player, they should hopefully know how to pass to their own player, make a tackle and do the basics that most footballers get paid(some shouldn’t be paid at all) so I don’t get how they can be confused as to what Stendel is wanting. 
they were crap under Levein for the second part of last season and have been crap for this entire season. If they don’t want to stand up and be counted then leave now but don’t blame the manager who has been thrown into the utter deepend. I don’t believe he is out of his dept. You can see the improvement in players e.g Sean Clare( don’t think his best position is right back though) and can see how he has got the fans behind him. 
The Sun newspaper is the same paper that spouted that we had agreed a deal with Celtic to sign Gordon so will take that with a pinch of salt. 
 

truly believe we won’t get relegated this year, think we will scrape 10th position. 
My heart is telling me that we will do a Leicester and survive by the skin of our teeth this year then win the league next 😂😂 one can dream right. 

The first sentence says it all for me. You'd think they were being asked to learn advanced physics the way some people are going on. They seem to be able to play the way they're asked for part of games but seem to revert back to the pedestrian, hiding, shitebag style during games.

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GinRummy
3 minutes ago, Dazo said:


Our problem is DS was brought in to change that. He hasn’t and we are in a worse position than when he arrived. Our “castle” is a bouncy one for other teams to turn up without a shred of fear. I’m shocked to be honest I really expected/hoped he was the man to turn us around. 

 

I don't think anyone would turn us around. The players aren't anywhere near as determined and focused as the likes of kilmarnock and st johnstone. They are more interested in who is to blame for the latest screw up than actually fighting to dig us out the shite.

 

As for a worse position, we were joint bottom when he took over and now we are bottom by 1 point, so aye.

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OmiyaHearts

These shite bags have had it too easy for far too long under CL. Now they're being asked to work hard, play to win and are being dropped for not performing in training.

 

The holiday camp is over, it's no wonder some of these losers are upset.

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bigsuperslim1874

And yet we have seen interviews with two players who haven’t been regular starters speak positively of Stendel - Washington and Walker. Indeed it looks like he is helping Walker get back towards his old self.

 

Like most on here, almost no player has any cause to complain as they are complicit in the mess we are in (Smith being one of the notable exceptions). And as noted, if you have Kirk on the bench to relay/explain whats needed if understanding Stendel is problematic for some - not sure how those players STILL can’t understand what’s being asked of them. Just an easy excuse.

 

@Bongo 1874 - what are you hearing on the grapevine?

 

 

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Tokyo Drifter
8 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said:


The Sun are almost always spot on with what is happening at Hearts. Disgusting paper but usually right. It would definitely explain a lot of what is being seen on the park.

I dunno what there is to mis-understand. He plays a high press. Even I get it, and I'm no master tactician. The opposition players certainly seem to get it, that's for sure.

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Dazo
Just now, GinRummy said:

 

I don't think anyone would turn us around. The players aren't anywhere near as determined and focused as the likes of kilmarnock and st johnstone. They are more interested in who is to blame for the latest screw up than actually fighting to dig us out the shite.


I sort of agree the players appear not to have the fight but our squad is littered with international and top spl quality players. Maybe I’m blinded but find it just too easy to say the players are shite because imo they aren’t. I genuinely believed another manager would have got us out of this mess not make it worse. 

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Finlay James

I spoke with a mate who works at Tynecastle, he reckons this is bollocks.

 

The players love Stendels coaching.

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HMFC86

I’m fairly sure his instructions can’t be misunderstood as “Don’t track the runners or complete passes or attack the ball while defending corners” 

 

Is there a single player that has been dragged off when they didn’t deserve to be? Is there a single player that was playing well under Levein that has now started being poor? The answer to both is no. 
 

Could well be that a few players aren’t happy but imo we wouldn’t have got back to 2-2 stars n Saturday if it was the case folk weren’t behind Stendel. 
 

Jury still well & truly out on the manager but make no mistake the constant throughout the shambles have been badly performing players. Players that we mostly believed were good enough to do better than they were under Levein and just needed someone who was a better manager. If we go down one or two aside they will be remembered as the group of charlatans that relegated us and should be run out of town. 
 

I also wouldn’t rule out that this is a bitter rant from Daly or McPhee tbh. 

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mellors1874
8 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said:


Take Craig Levein back right now.

lol aye cause he was good eh

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Taffin

I'd be surprised if there wasn't some kind of dressing room split given where we are at the moment.

 

I've always thought Stendel was the right man, but that the time wasn't right and we should have been bringing in someone to just avoid relegation but he's here now and we need to support him and believe in him.

 

What else can we do? The alternative is to accept that all hope is lost.

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Gordon Ramsay

Bit of both. 

 

Stendel's English isn't very good and I can see from his body language on the touchline how he would come across as confusing. 

 

On the other hand these players are predominantly wimps and constantly fail to step up to the mark. Easiest thing in the world to blame the managers crap communication skills. 

 

Either way we're a mess. We have been a mess since Neilson left. All signs point to us going down with a whimper. 

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Special Officer Doofy
24 minutes ago, Armageddon said:

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Lol what would you expect him to do?? 1 down to Hamilton and ripping Clare then 2 down things needed changed!!!!


Struggling to see what this little snippet is supposed to suggest too. Things were t working so manager moved personnel around? 🤷‍♂️

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GinRummy
Just now, Dazo said:


I sort of agree the players appear not to have the fight but our squad is littered with international and top spl quality players. Maybe I’m blinded but find it just too easy to say the players are shite because imo they aren’t. I genuinely believed another manager would have got us out of this mess not make it worse. 

Levein, McPhee and now Stendel have managed over 16 months of relagation form between the three of them. 

 

Sooner or later you have to look at the squad and say - right, so they can't play in a defensive style, they can't play in an attacking style, the goalies can't do the basics, the defenders can't defend to a decent level and, by and large the strikers can't score goals.

 

I'm sorry, there is something rank rotten about this group of players. 

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The Treasurer

The part that jumps out at me is "don't immediately deliver"

most of these "stars" haven't delivered for a whole season, some haven't delivered for 2 or 3 years !!!

As a few posters have said, shut the feck up and start working to get us out of the mess that is of your own making.

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TypoonJambo

"dont understand his instructions" FFS, were not asking them to split the atom, its football, something they shout comprehend by now. The assistants speak perfect English and im sure he double checks understanding before leaving the changing rooms. After that everything shouted from the dugout is simple stuff. 

Man up, pull yer fingers out yer arses and earn your crust. This great team and the greatest supporters in the world deserve more. 

JUST DO YOUR EFFING JOBS

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Diego10

Now I've actually had a night's sleep and subjected myself to that again (don't read The Sun kids)

 

There are no quotes.

 

The classic 'The Sun understands' is usually used when they don't have any solid source.

 

The 'Dramatic changes' involved 1 onfield switch to move a more attacking player further forward and a DM further back as we dominated the ball.

 

The reporter has no track record of getting Hearts stories correct - it was him who gave us Hickey 2m target for Rangers

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The Fonz

There’s probably an element of truth to the article. As much as the Sun are scum, they usually seem to know what’s going on in Scottish football. 
 

It’s hard to feel any sympathy for the players who have been utter shite for a full 12 months before Stendel came in. 
 

As a guess I’d say the ones who don’t understand their instructions might be Souttar and Halkett. Purely because they’ve looked utterly clueless for weeks. 
 

Regarding players upset about being bombed for not delivering straight away... Do me a favour. There’s a few that fall into this category; Damour, Uche, White, etc. It’s a stretch to say any of them have been hard done by. 
 

It still remains to be seen how Stendel’s reign will pan out, but the club is toxic right now for sure and has been for a long time. There’s a very Sunderland-vibe to it just now and I think our documentary will be a tough watch for all. 

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John mcCartney

guarenteed this all stems from the comments made on the radio by that GBC ***** RIchard Gordon and fellow scumbags on Saturday post game re instruction being made from the sidelines with a board and objects on it.

arsepaper not newspaper

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Mauricio Pinilla
4 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


Struggling to see what this little snippet is supposed to suggest too. Things were t working so manager moved personnel around? 🤷‍♂️

 

Aye but he's a weirdo different foreigner so obviously him changing things causes confusion. If it was a guid hoanest scoatish boss he'd be a genius for switching things around. 

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davemclaren
1 minute ago, John mcCartney said:

guarenteed this all stems from the comments made on the radio by that GBC ***** RIchard Gordon and fellow scumbags on Saturday post game re instruction being made from the sidelines with a board and objects on it.

arsepaper not newspaper

Should have stuck to the iPad. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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rubyruby

I was at the Federation rally on Sunday & Scott Wilson said to Naisy he noticed a togetherness within the squad (in front of the whole team & management),and naisy Said there is. So whose lying? The captain or the weegie rags? 

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Vlad Magic

With regard to rumours on here and now being circulated in the Sun.

 

Make of this what you will.

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jack D and coke

 

Just now, John mcCartney said:

guarenteed this all stems from the comments made on the radio by that GBC ***** RIchard Gordon and fellow scumbags on Saturday post game re instruction being made from the sidelines with a board and objects on it.

arsepaper not newspaper

That did come to me as well. 

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Five to One

Fully support Stendel, but thought at the time bringing him in was a massive gamble based upon a decent, but not glowing record. I’m still hopeful his methods, which no doubt take time, will click with the players. The question is, will they do so in time and are the players onboard enough. 

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GorgieFifeLife
56 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

Stendel spoke about this at the weekend when he criticised their body language. Look at Naismith for example. Does anyone think he is enjoying playing for the club just now, never mind the captaincy? Stendel tells the players to take risks and Naismith screams in their face when they make a mistake.

 

Walker still looks like a petulant child. 

 

Souttar is looking pretty disinterested too. I ****ing hate them all, I'll take getting relegated now if it means getting rid of them all. 

Souttar is clearly upset about his pals Levein and Berra being launched and has the petted lip out. He cant be trusted and that is backed by his performances.  We need to forget who the supposed best players are and play those who are buying in to what we are trying to do and are fighting for the cause.

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Vlad Magic

And with regard to Stendel.

 

 

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davemclaren
4 minutes ago, GorgieFifeLife said:

Souttar is clearly upset about his pals Levein and Berra being launched and has the petted lip out. He cant be trusted and that is backed by his performances.  We need to forget who the supposed best players are and play those who are buying in to what we are trying to do and are fighting for the cause.

That’s a big guess, ‘clearly’.  😄

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Voiceofreasonfortheseason
1 hour ago, Mauricio Pinilla said:

Would empty every single player before stendel. 

Why though?  Where does this confidence in him come from?  I am beginning to find it all bizarre, we are like one of Fritzels kids, we have been so abused as fans over the last few years we are just clinging onto the hopes of a guy that apart from being German has nothing going for him.  I was firmly in the camp that I will give Daniel time, well I feel that time has been given and I am far from happy with what I am seeing.

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GorgieFifeLife
2 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

That’s a big guess, ‘clearly’.  😄

Squad is full of losers and the faint hearted and Souttar is one of the biggest. I dont trust him.

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davemclaren
Just now, GorgieFifeLife said:

Squad is full of losers and the faint hearted and Souttar is one of the biggest. I dont trust him.

Daniel must do as he starts every game he is fit.

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GorgieFifeLife
Just now, davemclaren said:

Daniel must do as he starts every game he is fit.

He must do so far but on recent form and body language I cant see how he can be in the team much longer.

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Last Laff
1 hour ago, Mauricio Pinilla said:

Would empty every single player before stendel. 


would empty him aswell. 

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maroonsgotop
25 minutes ago, Finlay James said:

I spoke with a mate who works at Tynecastle, he reckons this is bollocks.

 

The players love Stendels coaching.

hopefully that's correct and they can use this to start taking a siege mentality for the remaining games.

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Deevers

Need to find out who is actually up for the battle and who is not. Anyone who won’t give any less than 100% for the cause should be binned. Getting fed up with underperforming players who are getting paid good money producing absolutely shite performances. Even worse when they appear in the press telling us that it will get sorted out.  Do your talking in the pitch and earn they money you are getting paid - some of you are not worthy of wearing jersey given the level of commitment you have shown.

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MCW1976
8 hours ago, Zlatanable said:

I can believe it.

 

I am concerned about Naismith's input. We have been, mainly, troubled since he turned up. (to the exact minute he was injured in that League Cup s/f v Celtic)

 

Not having a Director of Football in charge, in that system, and expecting a 'head coach' to be a Manager, is a failure by Ann Budge and the Board of Hearts. 

 

I can feel there is poisonous discord affecting us just now. Dunno who, where, why, when and how, but we are struggling to work together.  

 

 

 

 

I started a thread in the minutes after the Celtic game not dissimilar to the point you've just made. I suggested that there might be something else - another factor - at play.

 

I had someone in mind. The same person you have mentioned.

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davemclaren
1 minute ago, GorgieFifeLife said:

He must do so far but on recent form and body language I cant see how he can be in the team much longer.

His form, since returning from serious injuryp, hasn’t been the best but he is better than Dikamona imo. 

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Last Laff
19 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said:

 

Aye but he's a weirdo different foreigner so obviously him changing things causes confusion. If it was a guid hoanest scoatish boss he'd be a genius for switching things around. 


Maybe, just maybe he’s not doing a good job and it isn’t working for the team? 

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Last Laff
3 minutes ago, maroonsgotop said:

hopefully that's correct and they can use this to start taking a siege mentality for the remaining games.


It’s definitely correct.  Training is meant to be amazing. 

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Vlad Magic

Apparently we are all “trumpets”?

 

 

 

 

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davemclaren
Just now, Vlad Magic said:

Apparently we are all “trumpets”?

 

 

 

 

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You spend too much time on there. 😄

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Vlad Magic
2 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

You spend too much time on there. 😄


You don’t spend enough👍

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