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Zlatanable
5 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said:


It is practical, it works at other clubs. The question is whether it’s practicable at Hearts, playing in the Scottish Premiership, with our budget.

Leveinball wasn't. 

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Georgecowie

Who knows how much truth in this article. Does remind me of one job I had, think I must have been off the day they covered this one issue, or indeed they never covered it. Or I wasn't paying attention. Anyway, I carried on making decisions based on previous experience in other jobs, but really I knew I was lacking some important information and was left in an uncomfortable limbo. What should I have done? Asked what the protocol was in these situations. I didn't, I suffered in silence until they came to me demanding an explanation. Moral of the story, go and knock on Daniel's door and don't be afraid to look stupid if there is anything that you are unsure of, or feel exposed by. 

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Georgecowie

And stop reading kickback! 

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James1874f
5 hours ago, TheTrumpet said:

Yes, but how do you think the team will perform without Naismith, Smith, Halkett, Clare and Boyce?

how have they performed with them in it ? 
 

When we go down only 1 or 2 should survive but I wouldn’t be against emptying them all, absolute frauds

 

Boyce aside as he’s just in the door but anyone signed under Levein is fair game 

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Bull's-eye

I can see a modicum of truth in there somewhere. 

 

Bottom of the league, players being asked to do things they're not used to, you know, like run around a bit more. 

 

Hard life being a footballer. 

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Hearts1975

First thought coming to mind is that if anyone is being dropped or put to one side and they are feeling a little bit upset then its entirely deserved 

We are so concerned with not upsetting the players it has got to the point where its never their fault, its someone elses. They are as fecking responsible as anyone 

Next - The Sun is a shite newspaper. The Journalists who report on Scottish Football are essentially Old Firm Supporters who show bias in every tool they use to report (not all but most). 

Reading the article it looks more like a journalist trying to fish stuff up and cause us other issues. Please dont tell me no one reporting wise has ever done this to us before 

Even if Stendel cant communicate properly according to the article we still have English Speakers surrounding him and who would translate an instruction not understood at the time and by a player 

For the above reason I'm not buying this.

If the players want to be respected and heard then they can bloody well get us out of the bottom before we pander to their snotty noses and wipe their bums. They have some cheek given where we are.

If there is any truth in it which I find highly unlikely, it will come out in the wash. At this point its a shit article from a shit newspaper 

Simples 

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ToadKiller Dog
31 minutes ago, James1874f said:


 

When we go down 

 

That's the spirit .

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VagabondJambo
5 hours ago, ToadKiller Dog said:

**** the sun, horrible rag that sows division and hate  in all parts of society.

This is all about creating discontent and division ,playing on peoples xenophobia about foreign managers reminds me of the way Vogts was treated .

We need to stick together  .

Need to stop the constant doom and gloom ,negativity wont change attitudes or improve things .

 

 

 

Exactly!

. . . and another desperate attempt by Jabba Traynor to play mind games ahead of the cup-tie - the Cheats last chance of silverware.

Planting seeds of unrest via this Daily Trash toilet-paper.  As another poster said, it’s working - just look at these last 4 pages of JKB posts!

 

C’mon, we’re better than that!  Let’s show our team, our manager, our club, and the rest of Scottish football that we are united, and true supporters!  Our team and management need us for the final push this season.

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Smithee

There are lots of skilled footballers out there, but outside the truly special talents what sets the top players apart is their mentality. 

Levein seemed to have a thing for players with a weak mentality, we're riddled with them. It really doesn't surprise me that some are whining instead of buckling down.

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Weakened Offender

This will, unfortunately, be spot on. They usually are. 

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Mauricio Pinilla

Would empty every single player before stendel. 

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Selkirkhmfc1874
1 minute ago, Mauricio Pinilla said:

Would empty every single player before stendel. 

Totally agree with you ! The past 18 months have been an absolute disgrace for the budget we spend on players 

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GorgieRules22

The players have have been a ****in disgrace. Never felt so unattached to a bunch of Hearts players in all my life. Cowards.

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E6 Inc

Basically, some players are too **** to understand how to play football to the standard that Hearts require not to be relegated.

 

Unsurprising and those same players can **** off.

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sac

So we can expect the players to come out in support of Stendel & call out the Sun on this pile of pish article?

Its not that long ago the players were reported as saying they were enjoying training under the new manager, & that was before his assistant’s arrived.

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Mauricio Pinilla

That article is a giant pile of shite though. Pure speculation. That kind of thing shouldn't be going out unless there's quotes from someone or anyone but we all know the tabloids don't deal with that kind of thing. Scum. 

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Leveins Battalion

My god,what has this place become.

 

Any negativity about our club (and that’s not hard to find after 4 years of this shite) then supporters on here sharing it are trolls or hobos,

 

Now the Sun is making up stories,we have become worse than Celtic fans with paranoia!!!

 

Take the maroon glasses off,the club is toxic from top to bottom,the owner is out of touch with football and her support.

 

The players are out out of touch with the manager,the fans are detached from the players.

 

Id imagine any journo won’t have to dig deep to sling mud at this club,and it’s all our own doing!

 

 

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Special Officer Doofy
2 minutes ago, sac said:

So we can expect the players to come out in support of Stendel & call out the Sun on this pile of pish article?

Its not that long ago the players were reported as saying they were enjoying training under the new manager, & that was before his assistant’s arrived.


Maybe. Personally I couldn’t care less if they come out and say it publicly. What I want is for them to show it on the pitch. Hopefully this is the catalyst for some of them to get a ****ing grip of themselves and use the embarrassment of being spoken about in such a way to find another level of performance.

 

If there is any truth in this article (not convinced either way), then it gives Stendel some extra credit, and means he gets a lot more sympathy for our abysmal form just now. 
 

Any players risking our top flight status over their petted lips, need named, shamed and launched.

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Special Officer Doofy
1 minute ago, Leveins Battalion said:

it’s all our own doing!


Nah, is it ****.


You seem to be enjoying this a bit too much.

 

The reason Hibs we’re mentioned, is because they have been pushing this particular rumour for over two months now. It cropped up on their forum in December.

 

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Gabriel

Truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Stendel probably criticizes them for not implementing what he's wanting and players probably respond by saying we're doing what you're asking and it isn't working, Wouldn't be surprised if a senior player has mentioned dressing-room discontent to the club hierarchy.

 

Pointed out in another thread that Stendel has called up 25 players in the last five five league games alone, with 24 getting on the pitch and only Damour not being used. That's an incredible turnover and means players are constantly in and out of his plans. It's  not only about who starts but also about who is on the bench and not.

 

Would imagine the inclusion of Langer and Avdijaj has also raised some hackles. 

   

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Leveins Battalion
Just now, Special Officer Doofy said:


Nah, is it ****.


You seem to be enjoying this a bit too much.

 

The reason Hibs we’re mentioned, is because they have been pushing this particular rumour for over two months now. It cropped up on their forum in December.

 

Enjoying it??

 

Ive been championing the removal of Levein and Budge for 2 years.What planet have you been on?

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Special Officer Doofy
4 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said:

Enjoying it??

 

Ive been championing the removal of Levein and Budge for 2 years.What planet have you been on?


Championing the removal of the person we owed the money to for the share purchase for over two years? How were you going about this championing? Chucking vast quantities of money at her to repay the debt quicker? Gies peace.

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sac
11 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


Maybe. Personally I couldn’t care less if they come out and say it publicly. What I want is for them to show it on the pitch. Hopefully this is the catalyst for some of them to get a ****ing grip of themselves and use the embarrassment of being spoken about in such a way to find another level of performance.

 

If there is any truth in this article (not convinced either way), then it gives Stendel some extra credit, and means he gets a lot more sympathy for our abysmal form just now. 
 

Any players risking our top flight status over their petted lips, need named, shamed and launched.


I agree, especially with your last sentence.

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Psychedelicropcircle
7 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said:


Not in the correct position...

 

Stendel has won less than 10% of his Premiership matches. Why back him?

 

Come the summer he’ll be in his permanent position of doon the road son. 

 

You can at least see wot DS is trying to do, I’ve yet to work out wot your hero’s football philosophy actually was , possession without intent/ bore Tynecastle to death ferk knows!

 

By all means keep hurting thou

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Enzo Chiefo
7 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said:


Take Craig Levein back right now.

He shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the ground. A complete charlatan and finished in football. No self-respecting club would even consider appointing him, as is being proved...

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i8hibsh

There is clearly something up tbh. Our entire culture stinks. We are going down.

 

We need a mass clearout from Budge to boot boys. Medical staff to goalkeeping coach. New 5 year plan starting in the Championship. And absolutely NO Levein or the Hippy.

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Weakened Offender

Stendel spoke about this at the weekend when he criticised their body language. Look at Naismith for example. Does anyone think he is enjoying playing for the club just now, never mind the captaincy? Stendel tells the players to take risks and Naismith screams in their face when they make a mistake.

 

Walker still looks like a petulant child. 

 

Souttar is looking pretty disinterested too. I ****ing hate them all, I'll take getting relegated now if it means getting rid of them all. 

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The Wrinkly Ninja

There is absolutely 100% a split at our club.

 

Stendel and Smith can stay. Every other employee can split and leave as far as I am concerned. Care nothing for any of them.

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kila

Souttar and Naismith will be wanting called up for the Israel game.

 

They need to find form, hopefully that works out for us. But these two are the active link to Levein who is still lurking around the club. 

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i8hibsh

We have made many mistakes and the root cause is there to see but it all started that first season back up. We got rid of that entire record breaking championship winning team within a year and continued to throw in complete dross. When that didn't work again we mixed it up more and brought more duds in. We have played a different keeper every month for 4 years and have never kept the same XI. 

 

Throw in the loss of feeling from the fans, Tynie's atmosphere (or lack off) and an owner who has us being a winning team below giving free food out to the 'needy' and being a woke club in our list of priorities.

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davemclaren
9 minutes ago, The Wrinkly Ninja said:

There is absolutely 100% a split at our club.

 

Stendel and Smith can stay. Every other employee can split and leave as far as I am concerned. Care nothing for any of them.

This week? 🤔

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GinRummy

I've though there was dissent amongst the players from Stendels arrival. Classic, tail wagging dog.

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Leveins Battalion
22 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


Championing the removal of the person we owed the money to for the share purchase for over two years? How were you going about this championing? Chucking vast quantities of money at her to repay the debt quicker? Gies peace.

Ann Budge could've and should've appointed a competent CEO with footballing experience,she never and this is the result.The End.

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Ainsley Harriott

The Sun putting out garbage. They ran out of young girls to harass and drive to suicide.

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jambogaza

Can see the communication issues, I struggle to understand what he is trying to say before and after games. 

 

But I struggle to sympathise with these players. They have been part of this well before Stendel and also, there was the bust up about tactics after Levein's final game at St Johnstone. The players are either not up to it or not delivering. 

 

Perhaps we have made a leap too far, from one style to the extreme opposite. For us to survive we need to focus on being compact and winning individual battles - grinding them out. Sadly, I fear we will begin to drift and will be relegated sooner than people expect. 

 

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Gashauskis9
11 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

Stendel spoke about this at the weekend when he criticised their body language. Look at Naismith for example. Does anyone think he is enjoying playing for the club just now, never mind the captaincy? Stendel tells the players to take risks and Naismith screams in their face when they make a mistake.

 

Walker still looks like a petulant child. 

 

Souttar is looking pretty disinterested too. I ****ing hate them all, I'll take getting relegated now if it means getting rid of them all. 

Im starting to wonder whether Naismith is the one causing problems.  Sometimes I just wish he would shut the **** up and do some work himself rather than barking orders at others.  

 

One of my observations from the first half on Sat was a throw in over at the main stand side to Hamilton.  There was a Hamilton player about 5-10 yards from Naismith unmarked and rather than picking him up he stood still and screamed at Smith to push up to him.  Smith was, rightfully in my opinion, dropping back to support Souttar and Halkett knowing that the minute the ball fell to the feet of a Hamilton player it was being punted over the top.  Naismith was going proper ape shit at him.  I don’t mind players being vocal with each other, but that for me was counterproductive and unmerited.  Smith is one of our most experienced players and I’d trust his positional awareness over anyone else in the squad every day of the week.  2 minutes later he was screaming at someone else because he didn’t play the ball to Naismith’s feet (despite the fact that Naismith had two players round him).  

 

I’m hoping it is just stemming from his frustration of having to play out of position and I suspect he’s more vocal because he’s in the midfield with the game being played around him rather than through him.  I’d still prefer to see encouragement for effort rather than tantrums.
 

 

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Walter Bishop

If there is anything in this the players can all **** off. They have got us into the mess we are in and its up to them to get us out of it. 

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davemclaren
14 minutes ago, kila said:

Souttar and Naismith will be wanting called up for the Israel game.

 

They need to find form, hopefully that works out for us. But these two are the active link to Levein who is still lurking around the club. 

Why those two? Others were signed by Levein as well. 
 

I think there very likely will be some unhappy players given the big changes Stendel has made ( players told to go, loaned, dropped) but I don’t buy the comms issue given Colt speaks very good English and the other guy he brought in as coach is English. 

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Armageddon

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Lol what would you expect him to do?? 1 down to Hamilton and ripping Clare then 2 down things needed changed!!!!

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Gashauskis9
11 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

We have made many mistakes and the root cause is there to see but it all started that first season back up. We got rid of that entire record breaking championship winning team within a year and continued to throw in complete dross. When that didn't work again we mixed it up more and brought more duds in. We have played a different keeper every month for 4 years and have never kept the same XI. 

 

Throw in the loss of feeling from the fans, Tynie's atmosphere (or lack off) and an owner who has us being a winning team below giving free food out to the 'needy' and being a woke club in our list of priorities.

Despite some shitty results, the atmosphere at Tynie since Stendel came in has been pretty good.  The supporters can see what we’re trying to do and even in the last couple of games at 3 nil and 2 nil down, the crowd kept going.  The noise when Boyce scored against the Huns was as loud as I’ve heard at Tynie since Hartley sank the Champions League penalty. 

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davemclaren
8 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said:

Ann Budge could've and should've appointed a competent CEO with footballing experience,she never and this is the result.The End.

Why would that make any unhappy players happy?

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Special Officer Doofy
8 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said:

Ann Budge could've and should've appointed a competent CEO with footballing experience,she never and this is the result.The End.


Oh right. So when you say championing her removal, what you really mean is whining on here about her being CEO whilst we repay her. Cheers.

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kingantti1874

Steven Naismith shouldn’t be playing in midfield end of story, he’s crap  in there. Every time he went up front on Saturday something happened 

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Debut 4
8 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said:


Take Craig Levein back right now.

Lol.  Bit excitable at this thread being started?  Right in there with 2 feet.  😂

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Weakened Offender
3 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said:

Im starting to wonder whether Naismith is the one causing problems.  Sometimes I just wish he would shut the **** up and do some work himself rather than barking orders at others.  

 

One of my observations from the first half on Sat was a throw in over at the main stand side to Hamilton.  There was a Hamilton player about 5-10 yards from Naismith unmarked and rather than picking him up he stood still and screamed at Smith to push up to him.  Smith was, rightfully in my opinion, dropping back to support Souttar and Halkett knowing that the minute the ball fell to the feet of a Hamilton player it was being punted over the top.  Naismith was going proper ape shit at him.  I don’t mind players being vocal with each other, but that for me was counterproductive and unmerited.  Smith is one of our most experienced players and I’d trust his positional awareness over anyone else in the squad every day of the week.  2 minutes later he was screaming at someone else because he didn’t play the ball to Naismith’s feet (despite the fact that Naismith had two players round him).  

 

I’m hoping it is just stemming from his frustration of having to play out of position and I suspect he’s more vocal because he’s in the midfield with the game being played around him rather than through him.  I’d still prefer to see encouragement for effort rather than tantrums.
 

 

 

Agree with all of this, particularly the first paragraph. Massive mistake trying to build a team around him. 

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Locky

I'm calling shite. I don't believe there's any problem with Stendel's communication. Xenophobic pish, because some retards find him difficult to understand when he talks.

 

We've seen the videos of him on the training ground. A passionate and engaging manager, I've yet to see at this club before. His sessions look intense and he looks like he has no problem getting the players to do that. He's renowned for his man management skills and at full time in the Rangers game, shared a hug with almost every player as they walked off.

 

I wonder if The Sun posted this kind of pish when he was at Barnsley? They speak the same language down there too don't they?

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GinRummy
14 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

This week? 🤔

Wouldn't really make that much odds. We'll get relegated with the players we are playing and we'll get relegated playing the youths. We've been in relegation form for what? 17 months. 

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Special Officer Doofy
17 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

We have made many mistakes and the root cause is there to see but it all started that first season back up. We got rid of that entire record breaking championship winning team within a year and continued to throw in complete dross. When that didn't work again we mixed it up more and brought more duds in. We have played a different keeper every month for 4 years and have never kept the same XI. 

 

Throw in the loss of feeling from the fans, Tynie's atmosphere (or lack off) and an owner who has us being a winning team below giving free food out to the 'needy' and being a woke club in our list of priorities.


The players that we won the championship with, almost invariably, have ended up back at that level and below after failing at Hearts and other Premiership teams, to make the grade. Only notable exceptions I can think of are Paterson and at a real push Walker.

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Gabriel
5 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said:

Im starting to wonder whether Naismith is the one causing problems.  Sometimes I just wish he would shut the **** up and do some work himself rather than barking orders at others.  

 

One of my observations from the first half on Sat was a throw in over at the main stand side to Hamilton.  There was a Hamilton player about 5-10 yards from Naismith unmarked and rather than picking him up he stood still and screamed at Smith to push up to him.  Smith was, rightfully in my opinion, dropping back to support Souttar and Halkett knowing that the minute the ball fell to the feet of a Hamilton player it was being punted over the top.  Naismith was going proper ape shit at him.  I don’t mind players being vocal with each other, but that for me was counterproductive and unmerited.  Smith is one of our most experienced players and I’d trust his positional awareness over anyone else in the squad every day of the week.  2 minutes later he was screaming at someone else because he didn’t play the ball to Naismith’s feet (despite the fact that Naismith had two players round him).  

 

I’m hoping it is just stemming from his frustration of having to play out of position and I suspect he’s more vocal because he’s in the midfield with the game being played around him rather than through him.  I’d still prefer to see encouragement for effort rather than tantrums.
 

 

Walker was the same with Hickey throughout the game. Players certainly need to be vocal and encouraging but not to the pint where they are screaming negatively at others. Friday should be fun at this rate.

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