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maroonlegions Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) Straight from the CIAs Reading room. Freedom Of Information releases involving the CIAs involvements, monitoring and some conclusions reached on some UAP cases involving the US military /USAF. Beyond doubt that over the years the CIA took and still do the UAP subject very seriously. CIA Reading Room (EST PUB DATE) CIA'S ROLE IN THE STUDY OF UFO'S, 1947-90, BY GERALD K. HAINES FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005517742 RIFPUB U 18 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... of UFOs, 1947-90 Gerald K. Haines B4y't pBU 44 While Agency concern over 47 UFOs was substantial ... or read something about Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs), and 57 percent believe they are real.' ... (ESTIMATED PUB DATE) TAKES 1 & 2--FOREIGN PRESS NOTE--FB PN 91-003---USSR FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005517677 RIFPUB U 4 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... BROADCAST INFORMATION SERVICE PROD GROUP TEXT: USSR: UFO SIGHTINGS NO. 3-- DEPUTY MINISTER OF DEFENSE ... INTERVIEW LEADING SOVIET NEWSPAPERS HAVE INCREASED THEIR REPORTING ON UFO SIGHTINGS IN RECENT MONTHS. ONE ... TAIWAN, MAINLAND UFO SYMPOSIUM CLOSES IN BEIJING FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005517760 RIFPUB U 1 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... MAINLAND UFO SYMPOSIUM CLOSES IN BEIJING SOUR SOURCE: BEIJING XINHUA IN ENGLISH 0836 GMT '7 DEC 93 ... TEXT TEXT: * //(("UFOS GALORE ACROSS TAIWAN STRAITS"-- XINHUA HEADLINE)) ((TEXT)) BEIJING, ... UFOS--WHAT ARE THEY? Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/06/24: CIA-RDP79B00752A000300090001-6 UFOs--WHAT' ARE THEY? ... flying objects UFO). In the present article the dditor- compiler of the collection Naselennyy Kosmos, ... Docent F. Yu. Zigel' discusses various UFO observations and attempts at ex- planation of them.) ... EXCERPT FROM A REPORT CIA-RDP92B00478R000800340008-9 The federal government is surpressing UFO evidence By Larry W. Bryant Last fall, at a UFO research ... symposium sponsored by the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C., a vocal anti-UFO writer ex- hbrte,d ... the audience's pro-UFO contingent to put up or shut up. What he meant was that he's tired of hear- ing ... THE UFO GAP SOLVE UFO MYSTERY." For years, I have opened The New York Times with the fear skittering around ... of a particularly large wheat crop. The possibility of a Russian breakthrough on the UFO problem is unlikely, ... about Soviet UFO study with a derisive laugh and the rather absurd com- ment, "If flying saucers really ... SEASIDE TOWN TO BUILD CENTER FOR UFO STUDY FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005517787 RIFPUB U 1 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... TOWN TO BUILD CENTER. FOR UFO STUDY SOUR SOURCE: TOKYO KYODO IN ENGLISH 0538 GMT 7 JAN 94 TEXT TEXT: ... INTERNATIONAL CENTER FOR THE STUDY *OF UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS (UFO'S), A CITY OFFICIAL SAID FRIDAY. ... UFOS, A MILITARY THREAT 3,.1981 5:40 PM SUBJECT UFOs, A Military Threat WTOP Radio CBS Network Washington, DC BOB SCHIEFFER: ... Inhabited by satel-, lites and stars and space litter and UFOs. That last part, the part about UFOs ... its UFO files. The group was successful in 1979 when the CIA released 900 UFO-related documents. Now ... THE NATIONAL INVESTIGATIONS COMMITTEE ON AERIAL PHENOMENA (NICAP) Major USAFR; Baton Rouge, La. Former Air Force Headquarters Monitor of AF Project Blue Book UFO ... investigation, prepared analyses of UFO data for AF, liaison officer between Dayton project and Pentagon. Rev. ... For Release 2001/04/02 T UFO EVIDENCE (Unidentified Flying Objects) STATINTL Published by National ... PHOTO ANALYSIS OF UFO PHOTOGRAPHY FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005516068 RIFPUB U 6 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... Director, National Photographic Interpretation Center Photo Analysis of UFO Photography- 1. This memorandum ... imaging an... alleged UFO (i.e.-unidentified.flyih--abject).---T 2. The photography ... PHOTO ANALYSIS OF UFO PHOTOGRAPHY Director, National Photographic Interpretation Center SUBJECT: Photo Analysis of UFO Photography 1. ... that TID/NPIC perform a photo analysis of photographs imaging an alleged UFO (i.e. unidentified flying object). ... ments of the UFO (attachments 1, 2 and 3) and one photo enlargement of a helicopter (attachment 4). ... U.F.O. FILES: THE UNTOLD STORY by U.F.O.'s in the fall of 1975. Representatives of the De- 'fense Intelligence Agency and the National ... the F.B.I., ti C.I.A. and even the Atom Energy Commission produce U.F.O. records over the year Many ... the key role in t1 controversy, and may even 1 responsible for the Govei meat's conduct in U.F.O ... UFO'S AND THE CIA who believes that "the least unsatisfactory hypothesis" grout the origin of UFO ... iicals before the Robertson Panel probing UFO reports. he said the CIA believed that a flood of UFO ... "quest that UFO's be debunked was followed, Dr...IcDonaid said, by promulgation of Air Force ... xxxxxxxxxxxxx; JOHN JOSEPH MACCARTHY, JR. & HIS MILITARY/CIA CAREER & HIS INVOLVEMENT W/PROJECT "CHERRY" implicates your agency in the policies, programs, and operations of a supersecret panel of UFO ... of a "flying saucer" near Roswell, N.M., reverberates, to this day, in the UFO press. Indeed, in my column ... scheduled for the July 2006 issue of the newsstand periodical UFO magazine, I focus my attention ... 1966 GOOD YEAR FOR UFO REPORTS criticized the Air Force's Tuc- ti ii son, Ariz., best known as j handling of the UFO problem. a APP.O, ... about "UFO"). J been Observed in in-.." '155i report by the Central creasing numbers and for Ion- ... and as I beg to file away all UFO incidents of that' year, and matte rooi:t for whatever is to come ... UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS (UFO) Approved FSelease 2004/03/26: CIA-RD AIR FORCE REGULATION NO. 200-2 (2) Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO ... on unidentified flying objects (UFO) and for releasing pertinent information to the general public. SECTION ... A-GENERAL 1. Background Information. The Air Force investigation and analysis of UFO's over the United ... PROPOSED RESEARCH PROJECT FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005516220 RIFPUB U 3 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... a comprehe-nsive research project on the global UFO phenomenon. Its major elements include? Collection and analysis ... of existing policy, both official and undeclared, held by key governments on the UFO phenomenon? Analysis ... AIR FORCE, CIA 'REPRIMANDED' about some specific UFO (uni- dentified flying oject)Tcases, the harder such cases are to explain away." ... The comment came from L. J. Lorenzen, Tucson, Ariz., speak- ing at a UFO seminar sponsored by AFRO at Trinity ... in reporting observed UFO cases and said the subject of UFO's has been "taken underground, ... UFO NEW BULLETIN PUBLICATION PLANNED FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005517798 RIFPUB U 2 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... PASS: COPY TO COUNTRY: USSR SUBJ: UFO NEWS BULLETIN PUBLICATION PLANNED REF: LONDON MOSCOW NEWS ... WON'T GAG' THEIR EXCLUSIVES")) ((TEXT)) A MONTH BEFORE ITS PLANNED LAUNCH,A NEWS BULLETIN, UFO ... BOOMERANG FEARED IN 'SAUCER' PROBE for a "mere important and extensive scientific study of. past UFO sightings, and preparation, for dealing ... admits UFOs exist, 'especially If. Russia took the opposite!tack."! House Republican Leader ... Gerald. R. Ford of Michigan has formally asked for? Congres- sional hearings into UFO sight- ings ... The classified portion of the UAP report given to a select number of congressmen and senators relates to the following: 1 Energy Pulse Propulsion System (EPPS) projects 2 lon Propulsion Systems (PS) 3 Anti-gravity propulsion systems 4 Anti-Matter propulsion systems 5 Ramjet Hydrogen Propulsion Systems (RHPS) 6 Compressed Nuclear Propulsion Systems (CNPS) 7 Advanced use of exotic elements for energy research (ET related items) 8 The K-Song Energy/Propulsion System Research Project (KEPSRP) All these highly classified projects are under the control of the Defense Advance Research Project Agency (DARPA) and being managed by a classified group called-Advance Group-6. All funding for these projects is black confidential funds appropriated under intelligence operations costs. Some funds come from private contractors. Prototypes of flying crafts utilizing the above technology are being flown at Area 51 and Tonopah AFB Test Range. Some of the UAPs observed in and around Nevada can be contributed [sic] to crafts using the above propulsion systems. However, none of the experimental crafts have flown outside the Nellis Test and Training Range. None of these experimental crafts can be contributed [sic] to the sightings photographed by the US Navy. And then we have this regarding the US Pentagon and just how seriously they take UAP sightings . Pentagon forms new group to investigate ufo sightings; The Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization was formed after officials could not explain more than 100 incidents of unidentified aerial phenomena. And then we have this from the US Pentagon that caused this group to form.."There were a number of sightings that suggested evidence of a breakthrough technology:" The FACT that ANY countries central intelligence agencies who need to form such groups are a signal that they recognize and ADMIT that there IS something going on in the skies of not only the USA but on a GLOBAL scale. The DOD report cited “a handful” of unexplained sightings that suggested evidence of potential “breakthrough” technology. It examined incidents reported by U.S. government sources, mostly military aviators, over nearly two decades. “Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernible means of propulsion,” the DOD’s report said of the UAP. “In a small number of cases, military aircraft systems processed radio frequency (RF) energy associated with UAP sightings.” Edited March 8, 2022 by maroonlegions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, maroonlegions said: Straight from the CIAs Reading room. Freedom Of Information releases involving the CIAs involvements, monitoring and some conclusions reached on some UAP cases involving the US military /USAF. Beyond doubt that over the years the CIA took and still do the UAP subject very seriously. CIA Reading Room (EST PUB DATE) CIA'S ROLE IN THE STUDY OF UFO'S, 1947-90, BY GERALD K. HAINES FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005517742 RIFPUB U 18 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... of UFOs, 1947-90 Gerald K. Haines B4y't pBU 44 While Agency concern over 47 UFOs was substantial ... or read something about Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs), and 57 percent believe they are real.' ... (ESTIMATED PUB DATE) TAKES 1 & 2--FOREIGN PRESS NOTE--FB PN 91-003---USSR FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005517677 RIFPUB U 4 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... BROADCAST INFORMATION SERVICE PROD GROUP TEXT: USSR: UFO SIGHTINGS NO. 3-- DEPUTY MINISTER OF DEFENSE ... INTERVIEW LEADING SOVIET NEWSPAPERS HAVE INCREASED THEIR REPORTING ON UFO SIGHTINGS IN RECENT MONTHS. ONE ... TAIWAN, MAINLAND UFO SYMPOSIUM CLOSES IN BEIJING FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005517760 RIFPUB U 1 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... MAINLAND UFO SYMPOSIUM CLOSES IN BEIJING SOUR SOURCE: BEIJING XINHUA IN ENGLISH 0836 GMT '7 DEC 93 ... TEXT TEXT: * //(("UFOS GALORE ACROSS TAIWAN STRAITS"-- XINHUA HEADLINE)) ((TEXT)) BEIJING, ... UFOS--WHAT ARE THEY? Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/06/24: CIA-RDP79B00752A000300090001-6 UFOs--WHAT' ARE THEY? ... flying objects UFO). In the present article the dditor- compiler of the collection Naselennyy Kosmos, ... Docent F. Yu. Zigel' discusses various UFO observations and attempts at ex- planation of them.) ... EXCERPT FROM A REPORT CIA-RDP92B00478R000800340008-9 The federal government is surpressing UFO evidence By Larry W. Bryant Last fall, at a UFO research ... symposium sponsored by the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C., a vocal anti-UFO writer ex- hbrte,d ... the audience's pro-UFO contingent to put up or shut up. What he meant was that he's tired of hear- ing ... THE UFO GAP SOLVE UFO MYSTERY." For years, I have opened The New York Times with the fear skittering around ... of a particularly large wheat crop. The possibility of a Russian breakthrough on the UFO problem is unlikely, ... about Soviet UFO study with a derisive laugh and the rather absurd com- ment, "If flying saucers really ... SEASIDE TOWN TO BUILD CENTER FOR UFO STUDY FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005517787 RIFPUB U 1 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... TOWN TO BUILD CENTER. FOR UFO STUDY SOUR SOURCE: TOKYO KYODO IN ENGLISH 0538 GMT 7 JAN 94 TEXT TEXT: ... INTERNATIONAL CENTER FOR THE STUDY *OF UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS (UFO'S), A CITY OFFICIAL SAID FRIDAY. ... UFOS, A MILITARY THREAT 3,.1981 5:40 PM SUBJECT UFOs, A Military Threat WTOP Radio CBS Network Washington, DC BOB SCHIEFFER: ... Inhabited by satel-, lites and stars and space litter and UFOs. That last part, the part about UFOs ... its UFO files. The group was successful in 1979 when the CIA released 900 UFO-related documents. Now ... THE NATIONAL INVESTIGATIONS COMMITTEE ON AERIAL PHENOMENA (NICAP) Major USAFR; Baton Rouge, La. Former Air Force Headquarters Monitor of AF Project Blue Book UFO ... investigation, prepared analyses of UFO data for AF, liaison officer between Dayton project and Pentagon. Rev. ... For Release 2001/04/02 T UFO EVIDENCE (Unidentified Flying Objects) STATINTL Published by National ... PHOTO ANALYSIS OF UFO PHOTOGRAPHY FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005516068 RIFPUB U 6 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... Director, National Photographic Interpretation Center Photo Analysis of UFO Photography- 1. This memorandum ... imaging an... alleged UFO (i.e.-unidentified.flyih--abject).---T 2. The photography ... PHOTO ANALYSIS OF UFO PHOTOGRAPHY Director, National Photographic Interpretation Center SUBJECT: Photo Analysis of UFO Photography 1. ... that TID/NPIC perform a photo analysis of photographs imaging an alleged UFO (i.e. unidentified flying object). ... ments of the UFO (attachments 1, 2 and 3) and one photo enlargement of a helicopter (attachment 4). ... U.F.O. FILES: THE UNTOLD STORY by U.F.O.'s in the fall of 1975. Representatives of the De- 'fense Intelligence Agency and the National ... the F.B.I., ti C.I.A. and even the Atom Energy Commission produce U.F.O. records over the year Many ... the key role in t1 controversy, and may even 1 responsible for the Govei meat's conduct in U.F.O ... UFO'S AND THE CIA who believes that "the least unsatisfactory hypothesis" grout the origin of UFO ... iicals before the Robertson Panel probing UFO reports. he said the CIA believed that a flood of UFO ... "quest that UFO's be debunked was followed, Dr...IcDonaid said, by promulgation of Air Force ... xxxxxxxxxxxxx; JOHN JOSEPH MACCARTHY, JR. & HIS MILITARY/CIA CAREER & HIS INVOLVEMENT W/PROJECT "CHERRY" implicates your agency in the policies, programs, and operations of a supersecret panel of UFO ... of a "flying saucer" near Roswell, N.M., reverberates, to this day, in the UFO press. Indeed, in my column ... scheduled for the July 2006 issue of the newsstand periodical UFO magazine, I focus my attention ... 1966 GOOD YEAR FOR UFO REPORTS criticized the Air Force's Tuc- ti ii son, Ariz., best known as j handling of the UFO problem. a APP.O, ... about "UFO"). J been Observed in in-.." '155i report by the Central creasing numbers and for Ion- ... and as I beg to file away all UFO incidents of that' year, and matte rooi:t for whatever is to come ... UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS (UFO) Approved FSelease 2004/03/26: CIA-RD AIR FORCE REGULATION NO. 200-2 (2) Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO ... on unidentified flying objects (UFO) and for releasing pertinent information to the general public. SECTION ... A-GENERAL 1. Background Information. The Air Force investigation and analysis of UFO's over the United ... PROPOSED RESEARCH PROJECT FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005516220 RIFPUB U 3 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... a comprehe-nsive research project on the global UFO phenomenon. Its major elements include? Collection and analysis ... of existing policy, both official and undeclared, held by key governments on the UFO phenomenon? Analysis ... AIR FORCE, CIA 'REPRIMANDED' about some specific UFO (uni- dentified flying oject)Tcases, the harder such cases are to explain away." ... The comment came from L. J. Lorenzen, Tucson, Ariz., speak- ing at a UFO seminar sponsored by AFRO at Trinity ... in reporting observed UFO cases and said the subject of UFO's has been "taken underground, ... UFO NEW BULLETIN PUBLICATION PLANNED FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005517798 RIFPUB U 2 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... PASS: COPY TO COUNTRY: USSR SUBJ: UFO NEWS BULLETIN PUBLICATION PLANNED REF: LONDON MOSCOW NEWS ... WON'T GAG' THEIR EXCLUSIVES")) ((TEXT)) A MONTH BEFORE ITS PLANNED LAUNCH,A NEWS BULLETIN, UFO ... BOOMERANG FEARED IN 'SAUCER' PROBE for a "mere important and extensive scientific study of. past UFO sightings, and preparation, for dealing ... admits UFOs exist, 'especially If. Russia took the opposite!tack."! House Republican Leader ... Gerald. R. Ford of Michigan has formally asked for? Congres- sional hearings into UFO sight- ings ... The classified portion of the UAP report given to a select number of congressmen and senators relates to the following: 1 Energy Pulse Propulsion System (EPPS) projects 2 lon Propulsion Systems (PS) 3 Anti-gravity propulsion systems 4 Anti-Matter propulsion systems 5 Ramjet Hydrogen Propulsion Systems (RHPS) 6 Compressed Nuclear Propulsion Systems (CNPS) 7 Advanced use of exotic elements for energy research (ET related items) 8 The K-Song Energy/Propulsion System Research Project (KEPSRP) All these highly classified projects are under the control of the Defense Advance Research Project Agency (DARPA) and being managed by a classified group called-Advance Group-6. All funding for these projects is black confidential funds appropriated under intelligence operations costs. Some funds come from private contractors. Prototypes of flying crafts utilizing the above technology are being flown at Area 51 and Tonopah AFB Test Range. Some of the UAPs observed in and around Nevada can be contributed [sic] to crafts using the above propulsion systems. However, none of the experimental crafts have flown outside the Nellis Test and Training Range. None of these experimental crafts can be contributed [sic] to the sightings photographed by the US Navy. And then we have this regarding the US Pentagon and just how seriously they take UAP sightings . Pentagon forms new group to investigate ufo sightings; The Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization was formed after officials could not explain more than 100 incidents of unidentified aerial phenomena. And then we have this from the US Pentagon that caused this group to form.."There were a number of sightings that suggested evidence of a breakthrough technology:" The FACT that ANY countries central intelligence agencies who need to form such groups are a signal that they recognize and ADMIT that there IS something going on in the skies of not only the USA but on a GLOBAL scale. The DOD report cited “a handful” of unexplained sightings that suggested evidence of potential “breakthrough” technology. It examined incidents reported by U.S. government sources, mostly military aviators, over nearly two decades. “Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernible means of propulsion,” the DOD’s report said of the UAP. “In a small number of cases, military aircraft systems processed radio frequency (RF) energy associated with UAP sightings.” LIES !!!! 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Maple Leaf Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 39 minutes ago, maroonlegions said: Straight from the CIAs Reading room. Freedom Of Information releases involving the CIAs involvements, monitoring and some conclusions reached on some UAP cases involving the US military /USAF. Beyond doubt that over the years the CIA took and still do the UAP subject very seriously. CIA Reading Room (EST PUB DATE) CIA'S ROLE IN THE STUDY OF UFO'S, 1947-90, BY GERALD K. HAINES FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005517742 RIFPUB U 18 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... of UFOs, 1947-90 Gerald K. Haines B4y't pBU 44 While Agency concern over 47 UFOs was substantial ... or read something about Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs), and 57 percent believe they are real.' ... (ESTIMATED PUB DATE) TAKES 1 & 2--FOREIGN PRESS NOTE--FB PN 91-003---USSR FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005517677 RIFPUB U 4 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... BROADCAST INFORMATION SERVICE PROD GROUP TEXT: USSR: UFO SIGHTINGS NO. 3-- DEPUTY MINISTER OF DEFENSE ... INTERVIEW LEADING SOVIET NEWSPAPERS HAVE INCREASED THEIR REPORTING ON UFO SIGHTINGS IN RECENT MONTHS. ONE ... TAIWAN, MAINLAND UFO SYMPOSIUM CLOSES IN BEIJING FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005517760 RIFPUB U 1 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... MAINLAND UFO SYMPOSIUM CLOSES IN BEIJING SOUR SOURCE: BEIJING XINHUA IN ENGLISH 0836 GMT '7 DEC 93 ... TEXT TEXT: * //(("UFOS GALORE ACROSS TAIWAN STRAITS"-- XINHUA HEADLINE)) ((TEXT)) BEIJING, ... UFOS--WHAT ARE THEY? Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/06/24: CIA-RDP79B00752A000300090001-6 UFOs--WHAT' ARE THEY? ... flying objects UFO). In the present article the dditor- compiler of the collection Naselennyy Kosmos, ... Docent F. Yu. Zigel' discusses various UFO observations and attempts at ex- planation of them.) ... EXCERPT FROM A REPORT CIA-RDP92B00478R000800340008-9 The federal government is surpressing UFO evidence By Larry W. Bryant Last fall, at a UFO research ... symposium sponsored by the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C., a vocal anti-UFO writer ex- hbrte,d ... the audience's pro-UFO contingent to put up or shut up. What he meant was that he's tired of hear- ing ... THE UFO GAP SOLVE UFO MYSTERY." For years, I have opened The New York Times with the fear skittering around ... of a particularly large wheat crop. The possibility of a Russian breakthrough on the UFO problem is unlikely, ... about Soviet UFO study with a derisive laugh and the rather absurd com- ment, "If flying saucers really ... SEASIDE TOWN TO BUILD CENTER FOR UFO STUDY FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005517787 RIFPUB U 1 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... TOWN TO BUILD CENTER. FOR UFO STUDY SOUR SOURCE: TOKYO KYODO IN ENGLISH 0538 GMT 7 JAN 94 TEXT TEXT: ... INTERNATIONAL CENTER FOR THE STUDY *OF UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS (UFO'S), A CITY OFFICIAL SAID FRIDAY. ... UFOS, A MILITARY THREAT 3,.1981 5:40 PM SUBJECT UFOs, A Military Threat WTOP Radio CBS Network Washington, DC BOB SCHIEFFER: ... Inhabited by satel-, lites and stars and space litter and UFOs. That last part, the part about UFOs ... its UFO files. The group was successful in 1979 when the CIA released 900 UFO-related documents. Now ... THE NATIONAL INVESTIGATIONS COMMITTEE ON AERIAL PHENOMENA (NICAP) Major USAFR; Baton Rouge, La. Former Air Force Headquarters Monitor of AF Project Blue Book UFO ... investigation, prepared analyses of UFO data for AF, liaison officer between Dayton project and Pentagon. Rev. ... For Release 2001/04/02 T UFO EVIDENCE (Unidentified Flying Objects) STATINTL Published by National ... PHOTO ANALYSIS OF UFO PHOTOGRAPHY FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005516068 RIFPUB U 6 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... Director, National Photographic Interpretation Center Photo Analysis of UFO Photography- 1. This memorandum ... imaging an... alleged UFO (i.e.-unidentified.flyih--abject).---T 2. The photography ... PHOTO ANALYSIS OF UFO PHOTOGRAPHY Director, National Photographic Interpretation Center SUBJECT: Photo Analysis of UFO Photography 1. ... that TID/NPIC perform a photo analysis of photographs imaging an alleged UFO (i.e. unidentified flying object). ... ments of the UFO (attachments 1, 2 and 3) and one photo enlargement of a helicopter (attachment 4). ... U.F.O. FILES: THE UNTOLD STORY by U.F.O.'s in the fall of 1975. Representatives of the De- 'fense Intelligence Agency and the National ... the F.B.I., ti C.I.A. and even the Atom Energy Commission produce U.F.O. records over the year Many ... the key role in t1 controversy, and may even 1 responsible for the Govei meat's conduct in U.F.O ... UFO'S AND THE CIA who believes that "the least unsatisfactory hypothesis" grout the origin of UFO ... iicals before the Robertson Panel probing UFO reports. he said the CIA believed that a flood of UFO ... "quest that UFO's be debunked was followed, Dr...IcDonaid said, by promulgation of Air Force ... xxxxxxxxxxxxx; JOHN JOSEPH MACCARTHY, JR. & HIS MILITARY/CIA CAREER & HIS INVOLVEMENT W/PROJECT "CHERRY" implicates your agency in the policies, programs, and operations of a supersecret panel of UFO ... of a "flying saucer" near Roswell, N.M., reverberates, to this day, in the UFO press. Indeed, in my column ... scheduled for the July 2006 issue of the newsstand periodical UFO magazine, I focus my attention ... 1966 GOOD YEAR FOR UFO REPORTS criticized the Air Force's Tuc- ti ii son, Ariz., best known as j handling of the UFO problem. a APP.O, ... about "UFO"). J been Observed in in-.." '155i report by the Central creasing numbers and for Ion- ... and as I beg to file away all UFO incidents of that' year, and matte rooi:t for whatever is to come ... UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS (UFO) Approved FSelease 2004/03/26: CIA-RD AIR FORCE REGULATION NO. 200-2 (2) Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO ... on unidentified flying objects (UFO) and for releasing pertinent information to the general public. SECTION ... A-GENERAL 1. Background Information. The Air Force investigation and analysis of UFO's over the United ... PROPOSED RESEARCH PROJECT FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005516220 RIFPUB U 3 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... a comprehe-nsive research project on the global UFO phenomenon. Its major elements include? Collection and analysis ... of existing policy, both official and undeclared, held by key governments on the UFO phenomenon? Analysis ... AIR FORCE, CIA 'REPRIMANDED' about some specific UFO (uni- dentified flying oject)Tcases, the harder such cases are to explain away." ... The comment came from L. J. Lorenzen, Tucson, Ariz., speak- ing at a UFO seminar sponsored by AFRO at Trinity ... in reporting observed UFO cases and said the subject of UFO's has been "taken underground, ... UFO NEW BULLETIN PUBLICATION PLANNED FOIA UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION FOIA Collection 0005517798 RIFPUB U 2 June 24, 2015 January 31, 2011 ... PASS: COPY TO COUNTRY: USSR SUBJ: UFO NEWS BULLETIN PUBLICATION PLANNED REF: LONDON MOSCOW NEWS ... WON'T GAG' THEIR EXCLUSIVES")) ((TEXT)) A MONTH BEFORE ITS PLANNED LAUNCH,A NEWS BULLETIN, UFO ... BOOMERANG FEARED IN 'SAUCER' PROBE for a "mere important and extensive scientific study of. past UFO sightings, and preparation, for dealing ... admits UFOs exist, 'especially If. Russia took the opposite!tack."! House Republican Leader ... Gerald. R. Ford of Michigan has formally asked for? Congres- sional hearings into UFO sight- ings ... The classified portion of the UAP report given to a select number of congressmen and senators relates to the following: 1 Energy Pulse Propulsion System (EPPS) projects 2 lon Propulsion Systems (PS) 3 Anti-gravity propulsion systems 4 Anti-Matter propulsion systems 5 Ramjet Hydrogen Propulsion Systems (RHPS) 6 Compressed Nuclear Propulsion Systems (CNPS) 7 Advanced use of exotic elements for energy research (ET related items) 8 The K-Song Energy/Propulsion System Research Project (KEPSRP) All these highly classified projects are under the control of the Defense Advance Research Project Agency (DARPA) and being managed by a classified group called-Advance Group-6. All funding for these projects is black confidential funds appropriated under intelligence operations costs. Some funds come from private contractors. Prototypes of flying crafts utilizing the above technology are being flown at Area 51 and Tonopah AFB Test Range. Some of the UAPs observed in and around Nevada can be contributed [sic] to crafts using the above propulsion systems. However, none of the experimental crafts have flown outside the Nellis Test and Training Range. None of these experimental crafts can be contributed [sic] to the sightings photographed by the US Navy. And then we have this regarding the US Pentagon and just how seriously they take UAP sightings . Pentagon forms new group to investigate ufo sightings; The Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization was formed after officials could not explain more than 100 incidents of unidentified aerial phenomena. And then we have this from the US Pentagon that caused this group to form.."There were a number of sightings that suggested evidence of a breakthrough technology:" The FACT that ANY countries central intelligence agencies who need to form such groups are a signal that they recognize and ADMIT that there IS something going on in the skies of not only the USA but on a GLOBAL scale. The DOD report cited “a handful” of unexplained sightings that suggested evidence of potential “breakthrough” technology. It examined incidents reported by U.S. government sources, mostly military aviators, over nearly two decades. “Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernible means of propulsion,” the DOD’s report said of the UAP. “In a small number of cases, military aircraft systems processed radio frequency (RF) energy associated with UAP sightings.” I granted you the courtesy of reading that long post. There is nothing there that suggests anyone in the CIA or Pentagon thinks that the UAPs are extraterrestrial. They mention a "breakthrough technology", but that isn't a surprise. The possible existence of such technology would definitely interest them. And the reference to Gerald Ford as the House Republican Leader! My goodness, that was 50 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JFK-1 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 12 hours ago, Maple Leaf said: I granted you the courtesy of reading that long post. There is nothing there that suggests anyone in the CIA or Pentagon thinks that the UAPs are extraterrestrial. They mention a "breakthrough technology", but that isn't a surprise. The possible existence of such technology would definitely interest them. And the reference to Gerald Ford as the House Republican Leader! My goodness, that was 50 years ago. Indeed, I read one of the papers, the one titled UFOS--WHAT ARE THEY? and as you say it was clearly all 1950's and even earlier stuff. In addition, it mentioned one military pilot who reported a 'UFO' in 1948 and crashed soon after the sighting. He described a metallic looking object of large size. The investigating officer USAF Captain Edward Ruppelt, the supervisor of Project Blue Book, concluded it was a United States Navy Skyhook weather balloon. Quote In Madisonville "the object was seen through a telescope [and] identified as a balloon by one observer." Additionally, between 4:30 and 4:45 PM an astronomer at Vanderbilt University "watched an object in the sky...viewed through binoculars, he said it was a pear-shaped balloon with cables and a basket attached." The balloons were a secret Navy project at the time of the crash, were made of reflective aluminum, and were about 100 feet (30 m) in diameter, consistent with the description of the UFO as large, metallic, and cone-shaped. Since the Skyhook balloons were secret at the time, neither Mantell nor the other observers in the control tower would have been able to identify the UFO as a Skyhook. None of that was mentioned in that paper I read which was probably written before the investigators report in 1952. One statistic is that UFO reports have actually decreased in number since the world became covered in cameras. Aliens are camera shy maybe. But when you want to believe that stuff you absolutely never dig any deeper. It will invariably end in disappointment. Took me a while to get over discovering Santa wasn't real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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maroonlegions Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) On 09/03/2022 at 07:25, JFK-1 said: Indeed, I read one of the papers, the one titled UFOS--WHAT ARE THEY? and as you say it was clearly all 1950's and even earlier stuff. In addition, it mentioned one military pilot who reported a 'UFO' in 1948 and crashed soon after the sighting. He described a metallic looking object of large size. The investigating officer USAF Captain Edward Ruppelt, the supervisor of Project Blue Book, concluded it was a United States Navy Skyhook weather balloon. None of that was mentioned in that paper I read which was probably written before the investigators report in 1952. One statistic is that UFO reports have actually decreased in number since the world became covered in cameras. Aliens are camera shy maybe. But when you want to believe that stuff you absolutely never dig any deeper. It will invariably end in disappointment. Took me a while to get over discovering Santa wasn't real. Not about WANTING to believe mate its about what is straight in front off your knowledge from those in the field of investigations. Not one of the ET hypothesis naysayers are in any way in the league or even touch the surface of Dr . Peter . A. Sturrock. He will be IGNORED or dismissed as a lonny no doubt. I have read nothing on here that will ever persuade or alter my belief that there is NO possibility that not ONE UAP case has NO possibility in being ET in source. You also LEFT out the systematic breakdown of willful FORCE FIT explanations in Blue Book.. You really do need to dig deeper. I will not embarrassed you further by exposing your lack of knowledge or indeed your ignorance on the subject matter you clearly think you know all about. Do your homework?? Can you prove that ETs have NOT harnessed the technology to be so advanced that they CAN come and go at will from our world, just like we can come and go from the oceans of this world. I have given such info on the USO subject of US Naval and other countries military with water.ocean based submerged UAPs. Your arguments are based on nothing but the status quo. There is a case of ET possibilities from very credible sources too. Is that what gets you upset?? "The definitive resolution of the UFO enigma will not come about unless and until the problem is subjected to open and extensive scientific study by the normal procedures of established science. This requires a change in attitude primarily on the part of scientists and administrators in universities." Dr. Peter A. Sturrock, Professor of Space Science and Astrophysics and Deputy Director of the Center for Space Sciences and Astrophysics at Stanford University: Rockefeller Briefing Document Stanford Professor of Astrophysics Dr Peter A. Sturrock is a pretty well established and well respected scientist in the UFO field and has been involved with some great research over the years with his colleague Dr.Jacques Vallee and billionaire philanthropist Laurance Rockefeller - he also conducted some great work exposing the Condon report and revealed the 'huge disconnecton' between Dr Condon’s conclusions and the actual reports of the scientists who conducted the research (also how many of his final summaries were 'variously misleading, false or inaccurate'). In response to a debunking article published in APS Physics News, he provides some good advice in the letter below and presents six recommendations to physicists invited to take part in a discussion about the UFO phenomenon - perhaps the first one is the most relevant. 'Do Your Homework Before Entering UFO Fray' The August/September 2002 issue of APS NEWS contains an interesting article by Lawrence Krauss that deals, in part, with his experience in participating in a debate on the problem posed by so-called UFO sightings. Since I have studied this problem for 30 years, I can perhaps offer supplementary advice coming from a different perspective. Here are my recommendations to physicists invited to take part in such a discussion: 1. Either stay away completely or do your homework first. This is a very complex subject, and "doing your homework" will not be quick, easy or painless. 2. Do not imagine that training in physics provides you with any relevant credentials that enable you to pontificate on the problem. Expertise in forensic science would be another matter. 3. Read the Condon report from cover to cover preferably from back to front so that you can better judge the extent to which Condon's conclusions and recommendations follow from the work of his staff. (E.U. Condon, D.S. Gillmor, Scientific Study of UFOs, Bantam Books, 1969) 4. Learn something about the history of the subject. An excellent summary of the early days of the controversy can be found in The UFO Controversy in America by D.M. Jacobs (Indiana University Press, 1975). 5. You might also wish to learn what a nongovernmental scientific review panel had to say about the subject by perusing my own book, The UFO Enigma: A New Review of the Physical Evidence (Warner Books, 1999). 6. Finally, bear in mind that although most scientists treat this subject as a joke, the public does not, and we would do well to treat their concerns with respect. APS Physics Edited March 13, 2022 by maroonlegions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 37 minutes ago, maroonlegions said: Not about WANTING to believe mate its about what is straight in front off your knowledge from those in the field of investigations. Not one of the ET hypothesis naysayers are in any way in the league or even touch the surface of Dr . Peter . A. Sturrock. He will be IGNORED or dismissed as a lonny no doubt. I have read nothing on here that will ever persuade or alter my belief that there is NO possibility that not ONE UAP case has NO possibility in being ET in source. You also LEFT out the systematic breakdown of willful FORCE FIT explanations in Blue Book.. You really do need to dig deeper. I will not embarrassed you further by exposing your lack of knowledge or indeed your ignorance on the subject matter you clearly think you know all about. Do your homework?? Can you prove that ETs have NOT harnessed the technology to be so advanced that they CAN come and go at will from our world, just like we can come and go from the oceans of this world. I have given such info on the USO subject of US Naval and other countries military with water.ocean based submerged UAPs. Your arguments are based on nothing but the status quo. There is a case of ET possibilities from very credible sources too. Is that what gets you upset?? "The definitive resolution of the UFO enigma will not come about unless and until the problem is subjected to open and extensive scientific study by the normal procedures of established science. This requires a change in attitude primarily on the part of scientists and administrators in universities." Dr. Peter A. Sturrock, Professor of Space Science and Astrophysics and Deputy Director of the Center for Space Sciences and Astrophysics at Stanford University: Rockefeller Briefing Document Stanford Professor of Astrophysics Dr Peter A. Sturrock is a pretty well established and well respected scientist in the UFO field and has been involved with some great research over the years with his colleague Dr.Jacques Vallee and billionaire philanthropist Laurance Rockefeller - he also conducted some great work exposing the Condon report and revealed the 'huge disconnecton' between Dr Condon’s conclusions and the actual reports of the scientists who conducted the research (also how many of his final summaries were 'variously misleading, false or inaccurate'). In response to a debunking article published in APS Physics News, he provides some good advice in the letter below and presents six recommendations to physicists invited to take part in a discussion about the UFO phenomenon - perhaps the first one is the most relevant. 'Do Your Homework Before Entering UFO Fray' The August/September 2002 issue of APS NEWS contains an interesting article by Lawrence Krauss that deals, in part, with his experience in participating in a debate on the problem posed by so-called UFO sightings. Since I have studied this problem for 30 years, I can perhaps offer supplementary advice coming from a different perspective. Here are my recommendations to physicists invited to take part in such a discussion: 1. Either stay away completely or do your homework first. This is a very complex subject, and "doing your homework" will not be quick, easy or painless. 2. Do not imagine that training in physics provides you with any relevant credentials that enable you to pontificate on the problem. Expertise in forensic science would be another matter. 3. Read the Condon report from cover to cover preferably from back to front so that you can better judge the extent to which Condon's conclusions and recommendations follow from the work of his staff. (E.U. Condon, D.S. Gillmor, Scientific Study of UFOs, Bantam Books, 1969) 4. Learn something about the history of the subject. An excellent summary of the early days of the controversy can be found in The UFO Controversy in America by D.M. Jacobs (Indiana University Press, 1975). 5. You might also wish to learn what a nongovernmental scientific review panel had to say about the subject by perusing my own book, The UFO Enigma: A New Review of the Physical Evidence (Warner Books, 1999). 6. Finally, bear in mind that although most scientists treat this subject as a joke, the public does not, and we would do well to treat their concerns with respect. APS Physics And I'll say again, as someone who was duped by Anon into spreading Trump's anti-Hillary shite, your ability to discern the veracity of claims isn't to be relied on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 8 hours ago, maroonlegions said: Not about WANTING to believe mate its about what is straight in front off your knowledge from those in the field of investigations. Not one of the ET hypothesis naysayers are in any way in the league or even touch the surface of Dr . Peter . A. Sturrock. He will be IGNORED or dismissed as a lonny no doubt. I have read nothing on here that will ever persuade or alter my belief that there is NO possibility that not ONE UAP case has NO possibility in being ET in source. You also LEFT out the systematic breakdown of willful FORCE FIT explanations in Blue Book.. You really do need to dig deeper. I will not embarrassed you further by exposing your lack of knowledge or indeed your ignorance on the subject matter you clearly think you know all about. Do your homework?? Can you prove that ETs have NOT harnessed the technology to be so advanced that they CAN come and go at will from our world, just like we can come and go from the oceans of this world. I have given such info on the USO subject of US Naval and other countries military with water.ocean based submerged UAPs. Your arguments are based on nothing but the status quo. There is a case of ET possibilities from very credible sources too. Is that what gets you upset?? "The definitive resolution of the UFO enigma will not come about unless and until the problem is subjected to open and extensive scientific study by the normal procedures of established science. This requires a change in attitude primarily on the part of scientists and administrators in universities." Dr. Peter A. Sturrock, Professor of Space Science and Astrophysics and Deputy Director of the Center for Space Sciences and Astrophysics at Stanford University: Rockefeller Briefing Document Stanford Professor of Astrophysics Dr Peter A. Sturrock is a pretty well established and well respected scientist in the UFO field and has been involved with some great research over the years with his colleague Dr.Jacques Vallee and billionaire philanthropist Laurance Rockefeller - he also conducted some great work exposing the Condon report and revealed the 'huge disconnecton' between Dr Condon’s conclusions and the actual reports of the scientists who conducted the research (also how many of his final summaries were 'variously misleading, false or inaccurate'). In response to a debunking article published in APS Physics News, he provides some good advice in the letter below and presents six recommendations to physicists invited to take part in a discussion about the UFO phenomenon - perhaps the first one is the most relevant. 'Do Your Homework Before Entering UFO Fray' The August/September 2002 issue of APS NEWS contains an interesting article by Lawrence Krauss that deals, in part, with his experience in participating in a debate on the problem posed by so-called UFO sightings. Since I have studied this problem for 30 years, I can perhaps offer supplementary advice coming from a different perspective. Here are my recommendations to physicists invited to take part in such a discussion: 1. Either stay away completely or do your homework first. This is a very complex subject, and "doing your homework" will not be quick, easy or painless. 2. Do not imagine that training in physics provides you with any relevant credentials that enable you to pontificate on the problem. Expertise in forensic science would be another matter. 3. Read the Condon report from cover to cover preferably from back to front so that you can better judge the extent to which Condon's conclusions and recommendations follow from the work of his staff. (E.U. Condon, D.S. Gillmor, Scientific Study of UFOs, Bantam Books, 1969) 4. Learn something about the history of the subject. An excellent summary of the early days of the controversy can be found in The UFO Controversy in America by D.M. Jacobs (Indiana University Press, 1975). 5. You might also wish to learn what a nongovernmental scientific review panel had to say about the subject by perusing my own book, The UFO Enigma: A New Review of the Physical Evidence (Warner Books, 1999). 6. Finally, bear in mind that although most scientists treat this subject as a joke, the public does not, and we would do well to treat their concerns with respect. APS Physics Okay, you're a physicist and I'm a simpleton who needs to dig deeper to discover myself surrounded by aliens. But in the meantime I will just remain a wacko and a simpleton along with the scientific community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) On 09/03/2022 at 07:25, JFK-1 said: Indeed, I read one of the papers, the one titled UFOS--WHAT ARE THEY? and as you say it was clearly all 1950's and even earlier stuff. In addition, it mentioned one military pilot who reported a 'UFO' in 1948 and crashed soon after the sighting. He described a metallic looking object of large size. The investigating officer USAF Captain Edward Ruppelt, the supervisor of Project Blue Book, concluded it was a United States Navy Skyhook weather balloon. None of that was mentioned in that paper I read which was probably written before the investigators report in 1952. One statistic is that UFO reports have actually decreased in number since the world became covered in cameras. Aliens are camera shy maybe. But when you want to believe that stuff you absolutely never dig any deeper. It will invariably end in disappointment. Took me a while to get over discovering Santa wasn't real. And yet your ignorance shines through again. You nitpick UFO cases that suit your narrative. You have ZERO credibility when it come to such people as Dr James E , MacDonald who took apart most of the outrageous Blue Book explanations. I take it you have never looked at the systematic rebuttal of hundreds of the USAF Blue Book explanations. Also that CIA report was never intended as proof , i even stated and highlighted that the CIA had no comment to add a that they released these UAP cases with NO bias either way. I will not embarrass you by citing them as you will just fog them off due to your already made up mind based on you blatant bias and character attacks. Your santa comment is one i expected, as you have very little in your PROOF that there is NO possibility that highly advanced intelligences have the technology and means to come and go as they please. Losing the argument manifests when the focus is then turned on the character of the person who has a ET hypothesis .. The reason most scientists and physicists stay away from UFO research is because they fear of being ostracized by the scientific community. You can thank our government for the stigma connected to UFO sightings, since they started the campaign a long time ago of labeling people who witnessed or had incidents related to UFO's as crazy. This has been going on since the Roswell incident and Project Blue Book. Is it just a coincidence that reporters will always smirk or joke when a sighting has taken place? They have no facts to accept witness reports as just plain nonsense, yet they will continually report it with tongue and cheek. Ask any pilot if they feel comfortable about reporting unidentified objects to the FAA. They fear their jobs would be in jeopardy if they reported such things. The Phoenix lights is another example of how a mass sighting was quickly ridiculed by the governor of that state, but later he relinquishes his comments stating that he was never satisfied with the governments explanation that they were high altitude flares. Good to see more scientific investigation and discussion. The days where "Picture or it didn't happen" are so... 20th Century - Wiki on Invisibility. That our own technology is capable of rendering "near invisibility" at the very least should serve as a crowbar to open our minds to the possibilities that, "Well, just maybe..." We can add the radar reports and scrambling of military jets and consider that maybe for all we think we know, there are still a lot of things we don't. Lazy and ignorant research is very blatant here. Edited March 14, 2022 by maroonlegions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 For those who are think that the USAF UFO investigations of the 1950s contained in Blue Book are some kind of end all holy bible, would be advised to take a serious look at the rebuttals from highly respected Pro. James .E. MacDonald. "As a result of several trips to project Bluebook,I´ve had an opportunity to examine quite carefully and in detail the types of reports that are made by Bluebook personnel.In most cases,I have found that there's almost no correlation between so-called "evaluations and explanations" that are made by Bluebook and the facts of the case... There are hundreds of good cases in the Air Force files that should have led to top-level scientific scrutiny of this problem,years ago,yet these cases have been swept under the rug in a most disturbing way by Project Bluebook investigators and their consultants." Dr James McDonald -Senior physicist at the Institute for Atmospheric Physics and professor in the Department of Meteorology at the University of Arizona. And then we have the following. "Governments took notice, organizing task forces, encouraging secret briefings and study groups, funding classified research and all the time denying before the public that any of the phenomena might be real. The major revelation of these Diaries may be the demonstration of how the scientific community was misled by the government, how the best data were kept hidden, and how the public record was shamelessly manipulated." Dr. Jacques Vallee, astrophysicist, computer scientist 1992; Here are links below for the serious. And again i will add this is not a "proof" of ET visitation, its merely a small fraction of just how successfully the UAP situation from a historical viewpoint has been manipulated ect. The muddeling of the waters is a FACT as can be seen here . Dr James E . MacDonald proved that 100%^. I will leave the final ramblings to Dr James . E.MacDonald. "I have been studying now for about 2 years, on a rather intensive basis, the UFO problem. I have interviewed several hundred witnesses in selected cases, and I am astonished at what I have found". Dr James McDonald -Senior physicist at the Institute for Atmospheric Physics and professor in the Department of Meteorology at the University of Arizona - Oral statement to House Committee on Science and Astronautics at July 29, 1968 "The type of UFO reports that are most intriguing are close-range sightings of machine-like objects of unconventional nature and unconventional performance characteristics, seen at low altitudes, and sometimes even on the ground. The general public is entirely unaware of the large number of such reports that are coming from credible witnesses... When one starts searching for such cases, their number are quite astonishing. Also, such sightings appear to be occurring all over the globe." (Hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, July 29, 1968.) Dr. James E. McDonald, Senior Physicist at the Institute of Atmospheric Physics at the University of Arizona 118 UFOs: An International Scientific Problem 163 UFOs & the Condon Report - A Scientist's Critique 173 UFOs -- An International Scientific Problem (zip file) Science In Default: Twenty-Two Years of Inadequate UFO Investigations Meteorological Factors in Unidentified Radar Returns UFOs - Extraterrestrial Probes? Statement on UFOs Before the House Committee on Science & Astronautics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Quote "He will be IGNORED or dismissed as a lonny no doubt." You appear to have an appetite for a very complex subject which pulls in a wide set of subjects including aviation, space exploration, physics, astrophysics, orbital mechanics and others that one would surely need to consider when assessing claims of alien visitations. Have you considered learning more about these subjects? If you did, whilst you may not reach the same conclusions on each and every claim, you'd certainly be better informed and more able to assess the variety of sightings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 For me personally ,and speaking as someone who has studied and looked at BOTH sides of the evidence and arguments for and against any POSSIBILITY that a ET hypothesis for SOME UAP cases is credible and POSSIBLE. From 1966 to 1968, the "Condon Committee "was commissioned by the USAF to conduct a 'scientific study and investigation' into the UFO phenomenon but some extremely serious questions were raised about the lack of objectivity and active agenda of the group - especially when a memo came to light from the Project Administrator discussing premeditated negative conclusions. Now what is meant by "premeditated" negative conclusions ?? It's clear that straight from the start those behind the set up of the USAF "Condon UFO Investigation Committee had an agenda of , well, finding and applying any explanation but a POSSIBLE ET one. After all what's the definition of "premeditated"if not negativity in the case of these investigations and the final conclusions reached. Dont take my word for it a memo came to light and guess what.. (see below); "Our study would be conducted exclusively by "Non Believers". The trick would be, I think, to describe the project so that to the public it would appear totally objective study. Conclusion...There is no secrecy and no evidence that such objects even exist." -Memorandum from Robert Low (before the report was started) - Project Administrator CONDON Report to Colorado University V.P. Thurston Marshall. And to clarify to those who dont know "The Condon Committee" was the informal name of the University of Colorado UFO Project, a study of unidentified flying objects, undertaken at the University of Colorado from 1966 to 1968 under the direction of physicist Edward Condon. Now we get to the serious part of just WHY this UFO investigation was shut down in its prime. The important point is this c, now considering its conclusions were final , and were instrumental in closing down all official US Government UFO investigations, there's also been some extremely serious points made questioning the Condon Report's methodology and how many of its final summaries were 'variously misleading, false or inaccurate'. Step in one DR James E MacDonald who looked at the Condon report and systematically took most of its investigation methods and final conclusions apart. Anyone who has looked at his findings cannot help but see he was bang on. Dr James E. Mcdonald make some very good points below in a talk presented to the Dupont Chapter of The Scientific Research Society about Dr Condon's 'specious argumentation' and how he managed to omit some of the most puzzling UFO cases on record - UFO researcher Jerry Cohen also does a great job in exposing other major discrepancies. Note: Dr James McDonald was the Senior Physicist at the Institute for Atmospheric Physics and Professor in the Department of Meteorology at the University of Arizona: Summary of a Talk Presented to the Dupont Chapter of The Scientific Research Society of America (RESA), Wilmington, Delaware, Feb. 12, 1969. James E. McDonald, The University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona The Condon Report's negative conclusions and recommendations with respect to scientific study of UFOs are now a matter of public record. I dispute those conclusions, challenging and criticizing them on the following principal grounds: Here below are McDonalds scientific and researched points of rebuttals of the Condon report. 1* The report analyses only about ninety cases, a tiny fraction of the significant and scientifically puzzling UFO reports now on record. 2* It omits consideration of some of the most puzzling cases on record, famous cases that persons such as myself specifically urged the Condon Project to study. It even omits discussion of certain significant cases that Project staff actually investigated (e.g. Levelland and Redlands). 3* Many of those cases which the Report does consider are of such trivially insignificant nature that they should have been ignored on the grounds that they are unrelated to the Project's prime mission, namely, seeking explanations of the kinds of truly baffling cases that have created the Air Force problem that led to establishment of the Colorado UFO Project [i.e. Condon report]. 4* Specious argumentation, and argumentation of scientifically very weak nature, abound in the Report's case-analyses. And, while broadly charging bias on the part of those who have taken the UFO problem seriously in the past, the Report exhibits degrees of bias in the opposite direction that deserve the sharpest of criticism. 5* To anyone intimately familiar with relevant report-details, some of the cases considered in the Report exhibit disturbingly incomplete presentation of relevant evidence; in a few instances, such defects seem little short of misrepresentation of case-information. However, I believe that the latter instances bespeak bias, not intent to deceive. 6* Despite all of the above, those who prepared the Report ended up with about a dozen (i.e., about 15 per cent) of their cases in their "Unexplained" category. Some are extremely significant UFO cases (e.g., Texas B-47 or Lakenheath); yet these Unexplained UFOs appear to have been casually ignored by Condon in recommending that UFOs be considered of no further scientific significance. 7* Irrelevant padding has thickened the report to a bulk that will discourage many scientists from studying it carefully. Detailed UFO report-analyses should have been the primary content of this Report, yet trivia and irrelevancies, or secondary material, are present in objectionably voluminous proportions. 8* The Report, it must be noted, does exhibit a few bright facets; but these are obscured by its high average defect-density. 9* In all, I believe that the contents of the Condon Report fail dismally to support the strong negative recommendations which Condon has presented in his own summary analysis. The strong endorsement by the National Academy of Sciences will, I believe, prove to be a painful embarrassment to the Academy, for it appears to be the epitome of superficial panel-evaluation by representatives of a scientific body that ought always to warrant the prestige its good name enjoys. "My own estimate is that absolutely no further general progress towards scientific clarification of the UFO problem will come until the inadequacies of the Condon Report are fully aired in as many ways as possible. I intend to devote all possible personal effort to that objective; and NICAP is in process of preparing an extended rebuttal report. So small a fraction of the scientific community is currently aware of the potential scientific importance of the UFO problem that this rebuttal will probably be slow in taking effect; but the Report seems so unrepresentative of good scientific work, so highly vulnerable to scientific criticism, that I believe its negative influence (except with respect to USAF decisions about Project Blue Book) will be quite short-lived". And even Condon himself had doubts ; As he stated once. So much for an honest, rigorous or impartial study. As a footnote here's what Dr Edward Condon had to say about possible Air Force UFO secrecy: "Maybe they are misleading us . . ." he stated. "I don't care much." Rocky Mountain News, November 5, 1966; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, Gizmo said: You appear to have an appetite for a very complex subject which pulls in a wide set of subjects including aviation, space exploration, physics, astrophysics, orbital mechanics and others that one would surely need to consider when assessing claims of alien visitations. Have you considered learning more about these subjects? If you did, whilst you may not reach the same conclusions on each and every claim, you'd certainly be better informed and more able to assess the variety of sightings. I refer you to my last post. You would be well advised to look at Dr James E MacDonalds findings. Your points above are noted but i believe that Dr James E MacDonald has covered them.. And so have others in the scientific fields you have pointed out. The ET hypothesis even today cannot be ruled out, why, because that possibility has still not been proved as impossible.. By that i mean the POSSIBILITY of highly advanced intelligences are POSSIBLE until we know even more about this highly complex part of the KNOWN universe we inhabit in. Edited March 15, 2022 by maroonlegions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 31 minutes ago, maroonlegions said: I refer you to my last post. You would be well advised to look at Dr James E MacDonalds findings. Your points above are noted but i believe that Dr James E MacDonald has covered them.. And so have others in the scientific fields you have pointed out. The ET hypothesis even today cannot be ruled out, why, because that possibility has still not been proved as impossible.. By that i mean the POSSIBILITY of highly advanced intelligences are POSSIBLE until we know even more about this highly complex part of the KNOWN universe we inhabit in. Strawman. No one's saying it's not possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 55 minutes ago, maroonlegions said: For me personally ,and speaking as someone who has studied and looked at BOTH sides of the evidence and arguments for and against any POSSIBILITY that a ET hypothesis for SOME UAP cases is credible and POSSIBLE. From 1966 to 1968, the "Condon Committee "was commissioned by the USAF to conduct a 'scientific study and investigation' into the UFO phenomenon but some extremely serious questions were raised about the lack of objectivity and active agenda of the group - especially when a memo came to light from the Project Administrator discussing premeditated negative conclusions. Now what is meant by "premeditated" negative conclusions ?? It's clear that straight from the start those behind the set up of the USAF "Condon UFO Investigation Committee had an agenda of , well, finding and applying any explanation but a POSSIBLE ET one. After all what's the definition of "premeditated"if not negativity in the case of these investigations and the final conclusions reached. Dont take my word for it a memo came to light and guess what.. (see below); "Our study would be conducted exclusively by "Non Believers". The trick would be, I think, to describe the project so that to the public it would appear totally objective study. Conclusion...There is no secrecy and no evidence that such objects even exist." -Memorandum from Robert Low (before the report was started) - Project Administrator CONDON Report to Colorado University V.P. Thurston Marshall. And to clarify to those who dont know "The Condon Committee" was the informal name of the University of Colorado UFO Project, a study of unidentified flying objects, undertaken at the University of Colorado from 1966 to 1968 under the direction of physicist Edward Condon. Now we get to the serious part of just WHY this UFO investigation was shut down in its prime. The important point is this c, now considering its conclusions were final , and were instrumental in closing down all official US Government UFO investigations, there's also been some extremely serious points made questioning the Condon Report's methodology and how many of its final summaries were 'variously misleading, false or inaccurate'. Step in one DR James E MacDonald who looked at the Condon report and systematically took most of its investigation methods and final conclusions apart. Anyone who has looked at his findings cannot help but see he was bang on. Dr James E. Mcdonald make some very good points below in a talk presented to the Dupont Chapter of The Scientific Research Society about Dr Condon's 'specious argumentation' and how he managed to omit some of the most puzzling UFO cases on record - UFO researcher Jerry Cohen also does a great job in exposing other major discrepancies. Note: Dr James McDonald was the Senior Physicist at the Institute for Atmospheric Physics and Professor in the Department of Meteorology at the University of Arizona: Summary of a Talk Presented to the Dupont Chapter of The Scientific Research Society of America (RESA), Wilmington, Delaware, Feb. 12, 1969. James E. McDonald, The University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona The Condon Report's negative conclusions and recommendations with respect to scientific study of UFOs are now a matter of public record. I dispute those conclusions, challenging and criticizing them on the following principal grounds: Here below are McDonalds scientific and researched points of rebuttals of the Condon report. 1* The report analyses only about ninety cases, a tiny fraction of the significant and scientifically puzzling UFO reports now on record. 2* It omits consideration of some of the most puzzling cases on record, famous cases that persons such as myself specifically urged the Condon Project to study. It even omits discussion of certain significant cases that Project staff actually investigated (e.g. Levelland and Redlands). 3* Many of those cases which the Report does consider are of such trivially insignificant nature that they should have been ignored on the grounds that they are unrelated to the Project's prime mission, namely, seeking explanations of the kinds of truly baffling cases that have created the Air Force problem that led to establishment of the Colorado UFO Project [i.e. Condon report]. 4* Specious argumentation, and argumentation of scientifically very weak nature, abound in the Report's case-analyses. And, while broadly charging bias on the part of those who have taken the UFO problem seriously in the past, the Report exhibits degrees of bias in the opposite direction that deserve the sharpest of criticism. 5* To anyone intimately familiar with relevant report-details, some of the cases considered in the Report exhibit disturbingly incomplete presentation of relevant evidence; in a few instances, such defects seem little short of misrepresentation of case-information. However, I believe that the latter instances bespeak bias, not intent to deceive. 6* Despite all of the above, those who prepared the Report ended up with about a dozen (i.e., about 15 per cent) of their cases in their "Unexplained" category. Some are extremely significant UFO cases (e.g., Texas B-47 or Lakenheath); yet these Unexplained UFOs appear to have been casually ignored by Condon in recommending that UFOs be considered of no further scientific significance. 7* Irrelevant padding has thickened the report to a bulk that will discourage many scientists from studying it carefully. Detailed UFO report-analyses should have been the primary content of this Report, yet trivia and irrelevancies, or secondary material, are present in objectionably voluminous proportions. 8* The Report, it must be noted, does exhibit a few bright facets; but these are obscured by its high average defect-density. 9* In all, I believe that the contents of the Condon Report fail dismally to support the strong negative recommendations which Condon has presented in his own summary analysis. The strong endorsement by the National Academy of Sciences will, I believe, prove to be a painful embarrassment to the Academy, for it appears to be the epitome of superficial panel-evaluation by representatives of a scientific body that ought always to warrant the prestige its good name enjoys. "My own estimate is that absolutely no further general progress towards scientific clarification of the UFO problem will come until the inadequacies of the Condon Report are fully aired in as many ways as possible. I intend to devote all possible personal effort to that objective; and NICAP is in process of preparing an extended rebuttal report. So small a fraction of the scientific community is currently aware of the potential scientific importance of the UFO problem that this rebuttal will probably be slow in taking effect; but the Report seems so unrepresentative of good scientific work, so highly vulnerable to scientific criticism, that I believe its negative influence (except with respect to USAF decisions about Project Blue Book) will be quite short-lived". And even Condon himself had doubts ; As he stated once. So much for an honest, rigorous or impartial study. As a footnote here's what Dr Edward Condon had to say about possible Air Force UFO secrecy: "Maybe they are misleading us . . ." he stated. "I don't care much." Rocky Mountain News, November 5, 1966; Fake news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 7 hours ago, Smithee said: Strawman. No one's saying it's not possible. If one of the sites yer man uses to cut and paste without reading said "space aliens and UFOs is a big pile of pooey smelly shite" in the middle of a paragraph of technobabble, yer man wouldn't realise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unknown user Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 On 16/03/2022 at 01:13, Ulysses said: If one of the sites yer man uses to cut and paste without reading said "space aliens and UFOs is a big pile of pooey smelly shite" in the middle of a paragraph of technobabble, yer man wouldn't realise. Missed this. Aliens conspiracy, Hillary conspiracy, 911 conspiracy. I'd ask what's next but he won't have been told yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Smithee said: Missed this. Aliens conspiracy, Hillary conspiracy, 911 conspiracy. I'd ask what's next but he won't have been told yet. There is NO conspiracy with the ongoing global UAP situation.. Why, if you started paying attention you would have realised that the US. UK, French, Belgium, Chile , Governments have in the past and very recently admitted that they take this situation very seriously unlike you.. You actually think that any government would come out and admit that a ET hypothese for SOME of the ultra harder UAP cases could very well be a credible possibility?? . Then you are too wrapped up in yer childless trolling. In this CIA UAP document, the Assistant Deputy Director for Science & Technology (A/DDS&T) was shown SOMETHING related to a UFO that was hand carried to him. He decided he would personally look into it, and after, he gave advice on moving forward. That advice is classified. CIA declassified related document is provided , so you can IGNORE it. I am convinced you're still in yer teens.LOL Your level of engaged mature debating is proof of that. You have offered nothing in any credible sense of a rebuttal of those light years ahead of you with credibility and military intelligence and experience.. Trying to label the UAP subject with 9/11 conspiracies is desperate. You would also be well advised to read the book i have provided in picture format Surely all those military generals, personnel ect cant be talking shite ... Unlike you they have credibility that you lack in abundance.. After reading this "forward" below i look forward in your "rebuttal" of these highly credible witnesses. Forward of that book below.. An Air Force major is ordered to approach a brilliant UFO in his Phantom jet over Tehran. He repeatedly attempts to engage and fire on unusual objects heading right toward his aircraft, but his missile control is locked and disabled. Witnessed from the ground, this dogfight becomes the subject of a secret report by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency. In Belgium, an Air Force colonel investigates a series of widespread sightings of unidentified triangular objects, and he sends F-16s to attempt a closer look. Many hundreds of eyewitnesses, including on-duty police officers, file reports, and a spectacular photograph of an unidentifiable craft is retrieved and analyzed. Here at home, a retired chief of the FAA’s Accidents and Investigations Division reveals the agency’s response to a thirty-minute encounter between an aircraft and a gigantic UFO over Alaska, which occurred during his watch and is documented on radar. Now all three of these distinguished men have written breathtaking, firsthand accounts about these extraordinary incidents. They are joined by Air Force generals and a host of high-level sources—including Fife Symington III, former governor of Arizona, and Nick Pope, former head of the British Defence Ministry’s UFO Investigative Unit—who have agreed to write their own detailed, personal stories about UFO encounters and investigations for the first time. They are coming forward now because of Leslie Kean, an investigative reporter who has spent the last ten years studying the still unexplained UFO phenomenon. Kean reviewed hundreds of government documents, aviation reports, radar data, and case studies with corroborating physical evidence. She carefully examined scientifically analyzed photographs and interviewed dozens of high-level officials and aviation witnesses from around the world. With the support of former White House chief of staff John Podesta, Kean draws on her research to separate fact from fiction and to lift the veil on decades of U.S. government misinformation. Throughout, she presents irrefutable evidence that unknown flying objects—metallic, luminous, and seemingly able to maneuver in ways that defy the laws of physics—actually exist. No one yet knows what these objects are, even though they affect aviation safety and possibly national security. The phenomenon has been officially acknowledged by numerous foreign governments. For these reasons and many others, Kean concludes that the UFO problem must be more widely recognized and ultimately solved through an unbiased scientific investigation. The material presented throughout this landmark book is sobering, unflinching, and undeniably awe-inspiring, and moves us toward a goal of properly addressing this worldwide mystery. Edited March 20, 2022 by maroonlegions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 1 hour ago, maroonlegions said: There is NO conspiracy with the ongoing global UAP situation.. Why, if you started paying attention you would have realised that the US. UK, French, Belgium, Chile , Governments have in the past and very recently admitted that they take this situation very seriously unlike you.. You actually think that any government would come out and admit that a ET hypothese for SOME of the ultra harder UAP cases could very well be a credible possibility?? . Then you are too wrapped up in yer childless trolling. In this CIA UAP document, the Assistant Deputy Director for Science & Technology (A/DDS&T) was shown SOMETHING related to a UFO that was hand carried to him. He decided he would personally look into it, and after, he gave advice on moving forward. That advice is classified. CIA declassified related document is provided , so you can IGNORE it. I am convinced you're still in yer teens.LOL Your level of engaged mature debating is proof of that. You have offered nothing in any credible sense of a rebuttal of those light years ahead of you with credibility and military intelligence and experience.. Trying to label the UAP subject with 9/11 conspiracies is desperate. You would also be well advised to read the book i have provided in picture format Surely all those military generals, personnel ect cant be talking shite ... Unlike you they have credibility that you lack in abundance.. After reading this "forward" below i look forward in your "rebuttal" of these highly credible witnesses. Forward of that book below.. An Air Force major is ordered to approach a brilliant UFO in his Phantom jet over Tehran. He repeatedly attempts to engage and fire on unusual objects heading right toward his aircraft, but his missile control is locked and disabled. Witnessed from the ground, this dogfight becomes the subject of a secret report by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency. In Belgium, an Air Force colonel investigates a series of widespread sightings of unidentified triangular objects, and he sends F-16s to attempt a closer look. Many hundreds of eyewitnesses, including on-duty police officers, file reports, and a spectacular photograph of an unidentifiable craft is retrieved and analyzed. Here at home, a retired chief of the FAA’s Accidents and Investigations Division reveals the agency’s response to a thirty-minute encounter between an aircraft and a gigantic UFO over Alaska, which occurred during his watch and is documented on radar. Now all three of these distinguished men have written breathtaking, firsthand accounts about these extraordinary incidents. They are joined by Air Force generals and a host of high-level sources—including Fife Symington III, former governor of Arizona, and Nick Pope, former head of the British Defence Ministry’s UFO Investigative Unit—who have agreed to write their own detailed, personal stories about UFO encounters and investigations for the first time. They are coming forward now because of Leslie Kean, an investigative reporter who has spent the last ten years studying the still unexplained UFO phenomenon. Kean reviewed hundreds of government documents, aviation reports, radar data, and case studies with corroborating physical evidence. She carefully examined scientifically analyzed photographs and interviewed dozens of high-level officials and aviation witnesses from around the world. With the support of former White House chief of staff John Podesta, Kean draws on her research to separate fact from fiction and to lift the veil on decades of U.S. government misinformation. Throughout, she presents irrefutable evidence that unknown flying objects—metallic, luminous, and seemingly able to maneuver in ways that defy the laws of physics—actually exist. No one yet knows what these objects are, even though they affect aviation safety and possibly national security. The phenomenon has been officially acknowledged by numerous foreign governments. For these reasons and many others, Kean concludes that the UFO problem must be more widely recognized and ultimately solved through an unbiased scientific investigation. The material presented throughout this landmark book is sobering, unflinching, and undeniably awe-inspiring, and moves us toward a goal of properly addressing this worldwide mystery. I wasn't labelling it with anything, I was listing the shite you've believed in heart and soul to demonstrate how little your opinion means. You bought the 911 conspiracy shit, I can start quoting posts if you like - very credible people apparently. And again, I've never said any of this alien stuff isn't possible, never said UFOs don't exist - of course they do. But I'm saying they're eff all to do with aliens, aliens haven't landed, and they won't in our lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Its a fascinating subject, with an impressive library of UFO video evidence being added to each year - yet for all the advanced communication & detection technology the world has produced (largely driven by military R&D), there's allegedly still no definitive knowledge or understanding of what these objects are or where they come from or where they go to after a sighting. That in itself seems so unlikely - hence the conspiracy theory storm. Ach well, at least we've got our own UFO - "Dechie" in 1979 caused quite a stooshie when Robert Taylor claimed to have been abducted by one in Dechmont Woods. The police investigated and found evidence of something very heavy in the ground at the clearing where Taylor said it happened, but no tracks in or out. Still, our scientists are only now getting close to discovering & proving the existence of a new force of nature - so maybe the truth about UFO's will have to wait until 2525, if man is still alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 It's not a forward, it's a ****ing foreword. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Smithee said: I wasn't labelling it with anything, I was listing the shite you've believed in heart and soul to demonstrate how little your opinion means. You bought the 911 conspiracy shit, I can start quoting posts if you like - very credible people apparently. And again, I've never said any of this alien stuff isn't possible, never said UFOs don't exist - of course they do. But I'm saying they're eff all to do with aliens, aliens haven't landed, and they won't in our lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Ulysses said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unknown user Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Some very credible GIFs there chaps, I might have to rethink this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ulysses Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 6 hours ago, Smithee said: Some very credible GIFs there chaps, I might have to rethink this Mine's obviously fake, but Aussie's two would make you think alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aussie Jambo Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 “We are not alone..👽 We have never been.. alone! 👽 🛸 “ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) As even our own Solar system ,one of many , gets stranger , like the universe itself, and as still more discoveries are made, or come to light , the possibility of higley advanced ET intelligences being one of a number of possibilities for SOME UAP cases is dismissed?? Seems that highly credible individuals who also do NOT rule out the ET hypothese dont count. But one cares not a jot.. NASA Scientists: Solar System is Strangely Shaped and Here’s Why? TODAY AT 22:34 Scientists Discovered a Bubble Around Our Solar System! Tune in to watch live Get Reminder 11 Edited March 22, 2022 by maroonlegions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) This is one very interesting UAP/USO case involving harassment of four U.S. Navy destroyers mainly involving the USS Hamilton Navy destroyer in 1991. Four USS Navy destroyers were involved and all of them either witnessed or were involved with these UAPs. It got me thinking of the "tic-tac" clip that was released of a plane tracking one over the ocean and the crew being excited about "locking on" was what made me think of this ages ago. Testing of tracking equipment has to be done under real circumstances, yes? Thats a given and the USS Navy thought this was a real time unknown objects displaying high levels of advance "flight characteristics".. That in itself is were the bread and pudding of any tracking of a object is made.. "tic tac clip over ocean starts at 2.50 . In video supplied Text from pilots .. "oh oh......got it...". (test positive)." And again grainy images but its a sert that these were declassified for public release while zoomed up images were not. Dots in the sky...?? I bet they have zoomed in, high detail pictures of these. But the public is only served the breadcrumbs?? ……. “A newly released infrared image showed a 'swarm' of three 'Tic-Tac shaped' UFOs chase four U.S. Navy destroyers off the coast of California. The grainy image has been released by the Navy and shows what appears to be three small dots, representing unmanned aerial systems (UAS), hovering near the USS Paul Hamilton. It was one of the many occurrences Naval ships saw over the course of weeks, as many destroyers spotted these contraptions in July 2019.”…… Comparisons that have been made…length of a school bus, looks like a Tic-Tac etc. Video below from actual US Navy pilots involved below; This is the kind of in depth digging that throughs up such high strangeness UAP cases involving the military. Belgium, French, Chilean and other countries have also reported such encounters with their Navy and Air forces. This is NOT only confined to the US. Edited March 22, 2022 by maroonlegions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 4 hours ago, maroonlegions said: As even our own Solar system ,one of many , gets stranger , like the universe itself, and as still more discoveries are made, or come to light , the possibility of higley advanced ET intelligences being one of a number of possibilities for SOME UAP cases is dismissed?? Seems that highly credible individuals who also do NOT rule out the ET hypothese dont count. But one cares not a jot.. NASA Scientists: Solar System is Strangely Shaped and Here’s Why? TODAY AT 22:34 Scientists Discovered a Bubble Around Our Solar System! Tune in to watch live Get Reminder 11 It's interesting but what about it says "aliens"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Gizmo said: It's interesting but what about it says "aliens"? Nowhere. Stop spoiling the comic-book fun. A UFO the size of a school bus? Probably being driven by Sandra Bullock, amirite? Also, the time travel bit. The story refers to something that happened to a ship called the USS Paul Hamilton in 1991. The USS Paul Hamilton was launched in 1993. Spoooooooooky. 👻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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maroonlegions Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, ri Alban said: There's an illogical catch 22 from pseudoskeptics when it comes to U.F.O. pictures and video and this extends to anything labeled paranormal. The catch 22 is this: Every U.F.O. video will either be too blurry so it's a bird, weather balloon or swamp gas. If the pictures and video are clear and can't be refuted, you then run up against logic and reason. They can't yell bird or weather balloon so everything is C.G.I. and fake now. So, before they have even seen a picture or video posted, they have a built in answer as to what it is. It's either a bird or weather balloon if it's blurry and if it looks "too good to be true" they will yell C.G.I. and fake before the first page of the thread gets to 20 posts. I don't know how you can live in such ignorance and say you have an open mind. How can you limit your understanding of the nature of reality to your limited knowledge and understanding? We're a type 0 civilization and it's been like 54 years since we've been to the moon. We haven't even fully explored our own backyard, yet the pseudoskeptic knows all that can or can't be. You have pseudoskeptics saying, in which you are one, i mean you're not a skeptic but a pseudoskeptic, i would be amazed if you could even comprehend the actual difference between the two , or even comprehend some of the scientific investigations into UAPs that show high strangeness and advanced flight characteristics LOL. "That's not a U.F.O."(but it is, its unidentified) ?? "That looks like a drone" ( yip could very well be, but flight characteristics say otherwise). "Why are all U.F.O. pictures and videos blurry?" (true, but if we are dealing with extra dimensional or advance teck then maybe they either dont want exposed or the teck itself causes such dimensional warping). "That's obviously fake". (yip of course, but NOT all are). "That's C.G.I.". ( yip its been the case for may UAPs, on Youtube, but not from declassified military videos). "Those are a bunch of weather balloons". ( Yip a lot have been, but balloons do not suddenly behave like they are under intelligent control and display advance flight characteristics, like acceleration, stop and then disappears from radar ??) "The Pilot, Police Officer, High ranking government official, credible witness or witnesses are either idiots or liars" ( Some have been but again a good % of them are neither of the two). The way you can tell the difference between a skeptic and a pseudoskeptic is the skeptic will admit that the evidence is good and I have even heard compelling in a debate.The skeptic will keep an open mind the pseudoskeptic will not. They just think there will be a natural explanation to explain it. The pseudoskeptic or religious based bais can't live with "I can't explain it" so everything has to be explained. So they set up this catch 22 where no matter what pic or video you post it will either be too blurry so a bird, weather balloon and now a drone is popular with them. If they know that they can't logically explain it away, then it's C.G.I. and fake or the eyewitnesses are idiots and liars. This catch 22 isn't only with U.F.O's, /UAps it's with anything labeled paranormal. Some of these UAPS could very well be undiscovered natural phenomenon, or undiscovered natural paranormal phenomena ? Also, these things are labeled paranormal but they have more evidence to support them than many theories and hypotheses but someone calls them paranormal because it's not normal to their personal beliefs. It has nothing to do with the evidence. There's overwhelming evidence i think to reach the conclusion that POSSIBLE extraterrestrial/extradimensional visitation has occurred. You may not have reached that conclusion but you can't say there isn't enough evidence for someone else to reach that conclusion. Or even say its NOT possible in our current understanding of the universe.. I take it you understand that point?? This is another distinction between the skeptic and pseudoskeptic. I have debated skeptics that are okay with the fact that I have used the evidence to reach the conclusion that extraterrestrial/extradimensional visitation has occurred. They just believe there isn't enough evidence for them to reach that conclusion and I respect that. You would do well to understand that instead of trying to impress others on here that you are a really funny guy.. I take you understand the term and meaning of respect?? You would do well to understand that point too. You have interests outside of a fitbaw forum and charging the case for a independent Scotland?? Well this subject has been my interest for years.. I can't respect the illogical position of the pseudoskeptic who acts like there isn't any evidence. It's like people are just reaching the conclusion that extraterrestrial visitation has occurred based on wishful thinking. This is NOT the case. I have provided a small % of evidence of that so far. Since I have been on JKB and also on other forums, I have seen some great threads that are very thorough in their research. So there's plenty of EVIDENCE that has accumulated over the years. Is it enough evidence for you to reach the same conclusions? Nope. Because dudes like you are lazy, you want everything handed to you on a silver plate.. Do yer own homework, you wont because you have no real interest in what has and still is been witnessed and recorded by those in positions of high credibility. My main purpose is NOT to prove that we have been visited but offer up evidence the ET hypothesis is a credible one, and a possible explanation when all other explanations have been exhausted, and there are 1000s of such UAP cases were all avenues have been exhausted by in depth credible investigation.. Like the findings and conclusions of Dr Allen Hynek who sat on the USAF UFO project Blue Book. And the late James .E . MacDonald who took apart most of Blue Books scientific methods of investigation and final conclusions.. Logical people can disagree on this point. The illogical catch 22 of the pseudoskeptic has to act like there's no evidence at all and everything is explained as a bird, weather balloon or fake C.G.I. Or that the witnesses are all tin foil hat loonies. I have provided enough evidence to put forward the case that the ET hypothese is a POSSIBILITY and a credible one for SOME UAP cases based on CREDIBLE sources and CREDIBLE investigations and witnesses.. Is the jury still out, of course it is, no way is the verdict coming anytime soon. Edited March 23, 2022 by maroonlegions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 The aliens can **** off !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 If a civilization has mastered FTL travel, there's no way they would come all this way to play with what would be, to them, the equivalent of ants. They wouldn't need our resources and if they were wanting to spy on our development, they would be able to do this without us knowing given the level of technologies they would have available. Sorry, but whilst I do not refute the existence of other civilizations, I don't buy that these images and videos - in the age of surveillance, are blurry because something something aliens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 hours ago, maroonlegions said: There's an illogical catch 22 from pseudoskeptics when it comes to U.F.O. pictures and video and this extends to anything labeled paranormal. The catch 22 is this: Every U.F.O. video will either be too blurry so it's a bird, weather balloon or swamp gas. If the pictures and video are clear and can't be refuted, you then run up against logic and reason. They can't yell bird or weather balloon so everything is C.G.I. and fake now. So, before they have even seen a picture or video posted, they have a built in answer as to what it is. It's either a bird or weather balloon if it's blurry and if it looks "too good to be true" they will yell C.G.I. and fake before the first page of the thread gets to 20 posts. I don't know how you can live in such ignorance and say you have an open mind. How can you limit your understanding of the nature of reality to your limited knowledge and understanding? We're a type 0 civilization and it's been like 54 years since we've been to the moon. We haven't even fully explored our own backyard, yet the pseudoskeptic knows all that can or can't be. You have pseudoskeptics saying, in which you are one, i mean you're not a skeptic but a pseudoskeptic, i would be amazed if you could even comprehend the actual difference between the two , or even comprehend some of the scientific investigations into UAPs that show high strangeness and advanced flight characteristics LOL. "That's not a U.F.O."(but it is, its unidentified) ?? "That looks like a drone" ( yip could very well be, but flight characteristics say otherwise). "Why are all U.F.O. pictures and videos blurry?" (true, but if we are dealing with extra dimensional or advance teck then maybe they either dont want exposed or the teck itself causes such dimensional warping). "That's obviously fake". (yip of course, but NOT all are). "That's C.G.I.". ( yip its been the case for may UAPs, on Youtube, but not from declassified military videos). "Those are a bunch of weather balloons". ( Yip a lot have been, but balloons do not suddenly behave like they are under intelligent control and display advance flight characteristics, like acceleration, stop and then disappears from radar ??) "The Pilot, Police Officer, High ranking government official, credible witness or witnesses are either idiots or liars" ( Some have been but again a good % of them are neither of the two). The way you can tell the difference between a skeptic and a pseudoskeptic is the skeptic will admit that the evidence is good and I have even heard compelling in a debate.The skeptic will keep an open mind the pseudoskeptic will not. They just think there will be a natural explanation to explain it. The pseudoskeptic or religious based bais can't live with "I can't explain it" so everything has to be explained. So they set up this catch 22 where no matter what pic or video you post it will either be too blurry so a bird, weather balloon and now a drone is popular with them. If they know that they can't logically explain it away, then it's C.G.I. and fake or the eyewitnesses are idiots and liars. This catch 22 isn't only with U.F.O's, /UAps it's with anything labeled paranormal. Some of these UAPS could very well be undiscovered natural phenomenon, or undiscovered natural paranormal phenomena ? Also, these things are labeled paranormal but they have more evidence to support them than many theories and hypotheses but someone calls them paranormal because it's not normal to their personal beliefs. It has nothing to do with the evidence. There's overwhelming evidence i think to reach the conclusion that POSSIBLE extraterrestrial/extradimensional visitation has occurred. You may not have reached that conclusion but you can't say there isn't enough evidence for someone else to reach that conclusion. Or even say its NOT possible in our current understanding of the universe.. I take it you understand that point?? This is another distinction between the skeptic and pseudoskeptic. I have debated skeptics that are okay with the fact that I have used the evidence to reach the conclusion that extraterrestrial/extradimensional visitation has occurred. They just believe there isn't enough evidence for them to reach that conclusion and I respect that. You would do well to understand that instead of trying to impress others on here that you are a really funny guy.. I take you understand the term and meaning of respect?? You would do well to understand that point too. You have interests outside of a fitbaw forum and charging the case for a independent Scotland?? Well this subject has been my interest for years.. I can't respect the illogical position of the pseudoskeptic who acts like there isn't any evidence. It's like people are just reaching the conclusion that extraterrestrial visitation has occurred based on wishful thinking. This is NOT the case. I have provided a small % of evidence of that so far. Since I have been on JKB and also on other forums, I have seen some great threads that are very thorough in their research. So there's plenty of EVIDENCE that has accumulated over the years. Is it enough evidence for you to reach the same conclusions? Nope. Because dudes like you are lazy, you want everything handed to you on a silver plate.. Do yer own homework, you wont because you have no real interest in what has and still is been witnessed and recorded by those in positions of high credibility. My main purpose is NOT to prove that we have been visited but offer up evidence the ET hypothesis is a credible one, and a possible explanation when all other explanations have been exhausted, and there are 1000s of such UAP cases were all avenues have been exhausted by in depth credible investigation.. Like the findings and conclusions of Dr Allen Hynek who sat on the USAF UFO project Blue Book. And the late James .E . MacDonald who took apart most of Blue Books scientific methods of investigation and final conclusions.. Logical people can disagree on this point. The illogical catch 22 of the pseudoskeptic has to act like there's no evidence at all and everything is explained as a bird, weather balloon or fake C.G.I. Or that the witnesses are all tin foil hat loonies. I have provided enough evidence to put forward the case that the ET hypothese is a POSSIBILITY and a credible one for SOME UAP cases based on CREDIBLE sources and CREDIBLE investigations and witnesses.. Is the jury still out, of course it is, no way is the verdict coming anytime soon. Hi ml. Your second paragraph caught my attention, especially the part I've highlighted. To be honest, I've never seen a picture or video that's "clear and can't be refuted", but I would certainly like to. If you could post examples of these I would appreciate it. Knowing the source of such material would also be useful. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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