Poseidon Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, ericb said: Three pages and everyone is treating this as gospel, it's the sun! It's definitely true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattie exploited Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 was a great player when he first came but ever since he got injured he hasnt been close to the player he was !!!!!!!!!!!!!! but good luck to him and I wish him well for the future ! I like that its only took Dan a month to see who needs to move on so bye bye Berra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Taffin said: Is it? Would you keep him as one of our starting centre backs? I've the utmost respect for Berra and I'm gutted for him and us that it's ended this way but if he was good enough...then I imagine the ending would be different I find it a disrespectful term, when the real reason he's suffered in form is injuries and being part of a pretty shite team. For example, we have quite a few players who aren't good enough at this level who don't have injuries to cite as an excuse. It's just semantics really, language. All about opinions I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, JyTees said: Absolutely no place for sentiment and I'm delighted the new boss isn't showing any. Probably a big part of the reason we're in the state we're in is down to certain character's at the club showing too much loyalty and sentiment. I dare say there's a hint of attempting to remove the remnants of it in this decision. It's football. The club moves on. Berra was the elephant in the room. Finished. I seriously doubt we'll get him off the wage bill unfortunately. Imagine not having a single good word to say about Berra. Sad stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 You could hear a lot of discord from the stands aimed at Christophe at times and I for one would not like to see the kind of hatred shown towards the last manager relocate itself on his shoulders, you could see he was hurting as well, so in that regard I'm glad he has been told to step away and think about his future. many thanks big man and all the best to you & yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenNaismith Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I believe he won’t be the only experienced player told they are free to find a new club. Obviously Whelan has already been told but there’s more to come. Trying to free up wages and space in the physio’s room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Berra was a very good player for Hearts in both spells with us until he was injured last season. I can't see any team matching his wages given the way he's played for the past 6 months. I've a lot of time for Berra he's always given 100 per cent sadly he's not the player he was due to injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAndrew Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, wattie exploited said: was a great player when he first came but ever since he got injured he hasnt been close to the player he was !!!!!!!!!!!!!! but good luck to him and I wish him well for the future ! I like that its only took Dan a month to see who needs to move on so bye bye Berra I agree. I've so much time for him. Would love him to walk out the door a good hearts man, and do a few years at a club like St Johnston. Inoffensive and a place he could captain. Hopefully would never be Ina. Team.to beat us, but would carry on for a bit. He gave up.a good salary to come up to us. Bit ultimately, we need to back the manager. And it feels like the right call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JyTees Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Bridge of Djoum said: Imagine not having a single good word to say about Berra. Sad stuff. I've got plenty nice words for Berra and plenty memories of him when he was an asset at Hearts. That's not what we're discussing at the minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelly Terraces Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 When Christophe came back he was a total rock for us, just a really outstanding player, but as others have said since his injury he's never looked half that player. I see him quite a bit as he lives literally 1 minute from me & can assure you he's also a very grounded & down to earth fella. Also been a fantastic ambassador for Hearts. Good luck to the guy in the future but it''s probably for the better that we part ways now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattie exploited Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, JamboAndrew said: I agree. I've so much time for him. Would love him to walk out the door a good hearts man, and do a few years at a club like St Johnston. Inoffensive and a place he could captain. Hopefully would never be Ina. Team.to beat us, but would carry on for a bit. He gave up.a good salary to come up to us. Bit ultimately, we need to back the manager. And it feels like the right call. 100% a hearts man but everyone has to move on at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, CJGJ said: Just a tad harsh that comment It may be the correct footballing decision but he deserves a little respect from the fans Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 59 minutes ago, Bob Loblaw said: Not sure it's necessary to make him train with the reserves, he's never been the sort to cause unrest or anything. Deserves a bit better than that imo, even if the decision to move him on may be the right one. When Tommy McLean made Mo Johnston train with reserves, or lower, I thought he was being a dick but unfortunately this time it is stand behind Stendel. For Berra we will be playing a completely different game and he would be getting in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 33 minutes ago, Jeff said: Stendal is doing everything right Apart from winning football matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bistokid Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, StevenNaismith said: I believe he won’t be the only experienced player told they are free to find a new club. Obviously Whelan has already been told but there’s more to come. Trying to free up wages and space in the physio’s room. Bozanic, Maclean, Zlamal and Whelan hopefully. Naismith would surprise me to an extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Players have always been a commodity for for clubs. That’s the reality and Berra knows that. Happened quicker than I thought it would but as others said he hasn’t been the same since his injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obua Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, TheOak88 said: Apart from winning football matches. At least give him five minutes to put his stamp on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, Bridge of Djoum said: I find it a disrespectful term, when the real reason he's suffered in form is injuries and being part of a pretty shite team. For example, we have quite a few players who aren't good enough at this level who don't have injuries to cite as an excuse. It's just semantics really, language. All about opinions I guess. Berra has had to play this season and last with absolute DONKEYS behind him in goals. Not one of whom have been shown the door yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, bistokid said: Bozanic, Maclean, Zlamal and Whelan hopefully. Naismith would surprise me to an extent. Doyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micole Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I have nothing but the upmost regard for Christophe but I think the injury against Celtic has finished him. From a purely footballing angle it is the correct decision and I wish CB all the best for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, TheOak88 said: Berra has had to play this season and last with absolute DONKEYS behind him in goals. Not one of whom have been shown the door yet. indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, obua said: At least give him five minutes to put his stamp on the team. It was just a bit of humour mate. Although the honeymoon won’t last forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 27 minutes ago, Cut The Crap said: Good guy but should never have been offered an extension in the summer. Good luck to him. This. Harsh but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livi Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, TheOak88 said: Berra has had to play this season and last with absolute DONKEYS behind him in goals. Not one of whom have been shown the door yet. Give him time. He's just appointed a goalkeeping coach remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, JyTees said: Absolutely no place for sentiment and I'm delighted the new boss isn't showing any. Probably a big part of the reason we're in the state we're in is down to certain character's at the club showing too much loyalty and sentiment. I dare say there's a hint of attempting to remove the remnants of it in this decision. It's football. The club moves on. Berra was the elephant in the room. Finished. I seriously doubt we'll get him off the wage bill unfortunately. Show the guy a little respect. Think he has done extremely in his 2 stints with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I doubt Berra will be retiring with 18 months to go on his deal so it's find another club, pay off or honour what is asked of him while a HMFC employee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, Nelly Terraces said: When Christophe came back he was a total rock for us, just a really outstanding player, but as others have said since his injury he's never looked half that player. I see him quite a bit as he lives literally 1 minute from me & can assure you he's also a very grounded & down to earth fella. Also been a fantastic ambassador for Hearts. Good luck to the guy in the future but it''s probably for the better that we part ways now. You must be earning too much, Nelly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 The time to leave Hearts comes to every player and Berra’s time has come. He’s been a fabulous asset to the club he loves it’s just one of those things that he just isn’t the player he was. Good luck to our Centre Back and Captain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madjambo21 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 He's still better than Jack hendry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagey Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, StevenNaismith said: I believe he won’t be the only experienced player told they are free to find a new club. Obviously Whelan has already been told but there’s more to come. Trying to free up wages and space in the physio’s room. Walker? Naismith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Good luck Christoph and thank you. Always welcome at Tynecastle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Pagey said: Walker? Naismith? MacLean I think. Can't wait to see him leave our club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, Bridge of Djoum said: I find it a disrespectful term, when the real reason he's suffered in form is injuries and being part of a pretty shite team. For example, we have quite a few players who aren't good enough at this level who don't have injuries to cite as an excuse. It's just semantics really, language. All about opinions I guess. Fair enough. I don't think it's pejorative to say someone isn't good enough. It doesn't infer fault on them...or at least I wasn't intending it when I said it earlier in the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Morgan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mister Dee said: Shame for the guy, he’s been a good servant to the Club. He never recovered from that injury against Celtic This. In the end though, the right decision. Edited January 7, 2020 by Arthur Morgan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo, Goodbye Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) Probably on a half decent wage too. I've always liked Berra and wish him all the best in the future. The club comes first however and ultimately, this will prove to be the correct decision. (Assuming we sign a better replacement) Edited January 7, 2020 by Jambo, Goodbye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Hearts man and won’t say a bad word about him but he is a liability and has cost us tons of goals this season. Finished at this level. Just retire Christophe, recently married and can spend more time with the rest of the family stress free. He has been doing the PFSA scouting courses so could get a job doing that somewhere if he wants to stay in football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Hmm. This only feels like a positive if we can actually find a way for him to leave in this window with a significant saving to the club (i.e. not paying a huge portion of his remaining contract or paying his wages while he is loaned out). If we fail to find a way for him to leave we are left with a highly respected senior player in the squad who is unhappy with the management. That doesn't feel like it would be great man management and has the potential to be really counter productive in the middle of a relegation dogfight. It was a mistake to offer Berra an extra year on his contract so soon after coming back from injury last year. The worry I have is that this is a compounding mistake. I feel he could have been managed through to the summer, keeping him happy and inside the tent while still limiting his time on the pitch. If we can get him off the wage bill this window and bring someone in of better quality for less money then great, but we are a long way from that at the moment and it seems to me pretty unlikely. Far too early to be heaping praise on Stendel for this 'decisiveness' at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Berra’s my kind of player. Brave, committed, puts his body in the way, takes a lot of physical stuff from CFs (although he’s also not shy at giving it out) Sad if this is true and it ends this way. You’d always want to see your ‘Hearts’ players leave on a positive note. I don’t agree with training with the reserves stuff. I think a wee bit more respect was due but who knows everything that goes on behind the scenes. He’s struggled to be fair but I still say if your defending a 1-0 lead with 20 minutes to go and they’re shelling them in, you’d want CB to be at the heart of your defence. Tell you what, 2-1 up against Hibs in the SC with Berra in your team and they wouldn’t have equalised. His distribution hasn’t been great but as a CH, you’re either relying on good movement in front of you, or your sitting MF to drip deep and take the ball from you. I really hoped Whelan and Damour would have provided that, I’m sure Haring would Hope DS hasn’t been too hasty. It takes all kinds of pieces to make a jigsaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Spoleto said: Agreed. Berra has been "hung out to dry" by Halkett time after time. As was Clare for his sending off. I hope there's a player in Halkett but I'm not seeing it. Halkett has been much poorer than expected positionally and his reading of the game. He is aggressive though and 1 v 1 appears very good which may suit DS way. Good luck to Berra, he hasn't been the same since his injury. If we are honest with ourselves this needs to happen, I just hope we have a good replacement lined up if not its got butchers hibs written all over it😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I feel for the guy. Hearts need fixing but the fixes aren't Berra leaving. At least we know why he was so easy about coming back to Hearts though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Been wanting this to happen for a wee while now but now it has I feel a little sad about it. Was a great servant to us and always welcome back. Thanks for all your efforts big man and good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geomac Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Agreed, best of luck to Christophe 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Thanks for the memories, Christophe, and best wishes from all Hearts fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Bundy Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Berra has been a great servant to the cause and leaves head held high if this is accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Shaton Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Given this is a Sun report, I’d take it with a pinch of salt. Berra’s days have been numbered for a while - we hung on to the hope he might work his way back to the form of 18 months ago - that hasn’t happened. Still, he deserves to be treated with respect and being made to train with the reserves (if true) is pretty poor. He has never been anything other than a credit to the club he supports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: Halkett has been much poorer than expected positionally and his reading of the game. He is aggressive though and 1 v 1 appears very good which may suit DS way. Good luck to Berra, he hasn't been the same since his injury. If we are honest with ourselves this needs to happen, I just hope we have a good replacement lined up if not its got butchers hibs written all over it😬 I think with the nick of what's been going on round him in an unsettled team it's hard to judge properly. He's been paired with Berra who's lost faith in his pace so his positioning has started to err as he compensates, and Clevid who really lacks positional discipline. In combination with a very young full back still learning his position it's no surprise they aren't playing like a unit and impressing. But Craig was good for livi and showed an understanding of the position that gives me a bit of hope for him in a team that functions better in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 33 minutes ago, Taffin said: Fair enough. I don't think it's pejorative to say someone isn't good enough. It doesn't infer fault on them...or at least I wasn't intending it when I said it earlier in the thread. Aye fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Pants Shaton said: Given this is a Sun report, I’d take it with a pinch of salt. Berra’s days have been numbered for a while - we hung on to the hope he might work his way back to the form of 18 months ago - that hasn’t happened. Still, he deserves to be treated with respect and being made to train with the reserves (if true) is pretty poor. He has never been anything other than a credit to the club he supports. He's way past his sell by date - that's why he's at Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hueyview Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Looks like the start of a comprehensive clear out.... The new line up at the end of the month will have to gel pretty quickly to get back to gaining points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) Surely not trg with reserves? Wrong on so many levels. Cant be true. Edited January 7, 2020 by pettigrewsstylist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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