Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, graygo said:

 

That's one way of spinning it, here's another - way more than half of all infections are under 44.

Lol both are accurate 😂

[graygo]

5 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Lol both are accurate 😂

 

I know.

 

Don't take anything I post on here as how I feel about the situation, I'm just a cantankerous b'tard online.

 

I've mentioned before that my personal views on this are more in line with yours, what I say in the house doesn't necessarily match what I say on here. Some might call that trolling, I prefer to think that it stimulates debate. 😁

 

I suspect many more behave similarly.

[Governor Tarkin]

Just now, graygo said:

 

Don't take anything I post on here as how I feel about the situation, I'm just a cantankerous b'tard online.

 

I've mentioned before that my personal views on this are more in line with yours, what I say in the house doesn't necessarily match what I say on here. Some might call that trolling, I prefer to think that it stimulates debate. 😁

 

I suspect many more behave similarly.

 

[Weakened Offender]

10 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

That’s what I had said Enzo , there has to be a correlation between them . 

 

One tinhat loony agreeing with another about the virus weakening on a football forum is evidence enough for me. 

[Francis Albert]

2 hours ago, XB52 said:

They have changed the way they count deaths in England now. If you die 29 days after being diagnosed then you don't count so numbers are now lower, fact

Sorry reading the thread backwards to catch up.

 

That is nonsense If you die of or with coronavirus after 28 days of testing positive it counts as a coronavirus death. If you die of something else, unrelated to Coronavirus it doesn't. Same as in Scotland.

I stand to be corrected but I don't think the England figures are as restricted as Scotland where only confirmed coronavirus cases are counted. I think a death certificate mention still counts in England.

 

(The discussion does illustrate why any very precise comparison between death numbers in different jurisdictions is impossible.)

[graygo]

10 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Sorry reading the thread backwards to catch up.

 

That is nonsense If you die of or with coronavirus after 28 days of testing positive it counts as a coronavirus death. If you die of something else, unrelated to Coronavirus it doesn't. Same as in Scotland.

I stand to be corrected but I don't think the England figures are as restricted as Scotland where only confirmed coronavirus cases are counted. I think a death certificate mention still counts in England.

 

(The discussion does illustrate why any very precise comparison between death numbers in different jurisdictions is impossible.)

 

I understood it was the way XB52 stated, that's why "nobody recovered from Covid-19" in England.  Crazy if true. They changed this recently.

 

As you know, Scotland produces 2 figure. The ONS (I think) one is the one where Covid-19 is mentioned on a death certificate and the one Sturgeon gives which is only confirmed cases.

Edited August 15, 2020 by graygo

[Nucky Thompson]

21 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

One tinhat loony agreeing with another about the virus weakening on a football forum is evidence enough for me. 

You love throwing insults around on a football forum though. 

 

I reckon you would be a wee mouse in the real World 

[JudyJudyJudy]

38 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

One tinhat loony agreeing with another about the virus weakening on a football forum is evidence enough for me. 

Charming 😎

Edited August 15, 2020 by JamesM48

[JudyJudyJudy]

36 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

I know.

 

Don't take anything I post on here as how I feel about the situation, I'm just a cantankerous b'tard online.

 

I've mentioned before that my personal views on this are more in line with yours, what I say in the house doesn't necessarily match what I say on here. Some might call that trolling, I prefer to think that it stimulates debate. 😁

 

I suspect many more behave similarly.

👍👍

[westbow]

9 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

I haven't been following this conversation closely, but taken from the Travelling Tabby site tonight:

 

What an odd graph. Why are the groups 20-24, then 25-44, 45-64, then back to 65-74? 

[Back to 2005]

32 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

You love throwing insults around on a football forum though. 

 

I reckon you would be a wee mouse in the real World 

I've said it before but it's the standard response for the Sturgeon brainwashed to turn all internet hard man when anybody dissents from this path that the lovely Nicola is trying to lead us down.

As you say through I suspect he would never call someone a loony to their face.

[Weakened Offender]

37 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

You love throwing insults around on a football forum though. 

 

I reckon you would be a wee mouse in the real World 

 

I think that's at least 4 or 5 times now that you've went down the 'keyboard hardman' route with me which, in my experience of such matters, says more about you than me . 😉

Edited August 15, 2020 by Weakened Offender

[Weakened Offender]

29 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Charming 😎

 

😁

[Weakened Offender]

7 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

I've said it before but it's the standard response for the Sturgeon brainwashed to turn all internet hard man when anybody dissents from this path that the lovely Nicola is trying to lead us down.

As you say through I suspect he would never call someone a loony to their face.

 

Are you actually crying? 😁

[graygo]

12 minutes ago, westbow said:

What an odd graph. Why are the groups 20-24, then 25-44, 45-64, then back to 65-74? 

 

It is, most of the 25-44 could be over 40.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, graygo said:

 

It is, most of the 25-44 could be over 40.

Good point didn’t think about that . 

[Nucky Thompson]

1 hour ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

I think that's at least 4 or 5 times now that you've went down the 'keyboard hardman' route with me 

That's the impression that you're giving. 

Maybe you should stop throwing insults around from behind a keyboard

[Weakened Offender]

7 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

That's the impression that you're giving. 

Maybe you should stop throwing insults around from behind a keyboard

 

Do you ever read back on your own posts? 

 

It's a serious topic and there's a few on here who have acted in an arrogant and utterly selfish manner. People respond to that in different ways. It happens on internet forums and happens in real life and you maybe stop deluding yourself about what would happen in the latter. 😊

Edited August 15, 2020 by Weakened Offender

[Nucky Thompson]

8 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

Do you ever read back on your own posts? 

 

It's a serious topic and there's a few on here who have acted in an arrogant and utterly selfish manner. People respond to that in different ways. It happens on internet forums and happens in real life and you maybe stop deluding yourself about what would happen in the latter. 😊

It's a serious topic and one which we all have different opinions on, but you try and insult people that you don't agree with.

 

Would you call a stranger in a pub or at the football an idiot if you overheard a comment you didn't agree with?

[TheOak88]

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

It's a serious topic and one which we all have different opinions on, but you try and insult people that you don't agree with.

 

Would you call a stranger in a pub or at the football an idiot if you overheard a comment you didn't agree with?

 

Noticed that Weakened Offender has been particularly salty since Governor Tarkin destroyed him a few pages back. 

[Nucky Thompson]

51 new cases in Scotland

0 deaths again

244 in hospital, 9 fewer than yesterday

Still 3 in ICU

 

[Weakened Offender]

30 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

It's a serious topic and one which we all have different opinions on, but you try and insult people that you don't agree with.

 

Would you call a stranger in a pub or at the football an idiot if you overheard a comment you didn't agree with?

 

Stop being such a snowflake. 😊

[Enzo Chiefo]

12 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

51 new cases in Scotland

0 deaths again

244 in hospital, 9 fewer than yesterday

Still 3 in ICU

 

Similar to the Oldham and Greater Manchester area where increased cases have been reported while hospital admissions continue to plummet.  We're well past the point in Grampian where we would see more serious cases being hospitalised. All good news.

[redjambo]

3 hours ago, westbow said:

What an odd graph. Why are the groups 20-24, then 25-44, 45-64, then back to 65-74? 

 

That is a very good point, westbow. It means you can get some idea of the relative infections from the graph but the overall visualisation isn't accurate. I don't know whether the raw data came with those bands or whether it was Travelling Tabby who amalgamated the bands in order to reduce the width of the graph.

[Weakened Offender]

1 hour ago, TheOak88 said:

 

Noticed that Weakened Offender has been particularly salty since Governor Tarkin destroyed him a few pages back. 

 

I must've missed that page and spent too much time on page where he was so angry that he was offering me pm square goes. 😉

[Governor Tarkin]

1 hour ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

I must've missed that page and spent too much time on page where he was so angry that he was offering me pm square goes. 😉

 

Excuse me?

 

I was offering you a pm bag-off and you got all defensive.

 

[Nucky Thompson]

1 minute ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

 

 

I was offering you a pm bag-off 

 

Your standards have dropped mate 

[Governor Tarkin]

10 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Your standards have dropped mate 

 

Meh, I felt sorry for the boy.

It's clear he has a wee thing for a couple of posters so thought I'd offer him a bit of slap and tickle, see if it would de-stress him a bit.

 

When the good of my fellow man is on the line I'm a charitable guy, Nucky.

[Enzo Chiefo]

27 minutes ago, weehammy said:

No COVID deaths in Scotland for a month but daily party political broadcasts to continue.

It's becoming a bit boring tbh. X number of new cases here, blah blah ...woman loses cat in Auchermuchty..all very parochial when it's been ditched at UK level. Hopefully BBC Scotland realises it can no longer justify broadcasting this daily monologue. Sturgeon, though, will absolutely miss the limelight and exposure this has given her.

[kila]

10 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

It's becoming a bit boring tbh. X number of new cases here, blah blah ...woman loses cat in Auchermuchty..all very parochial when it's been ditched at UK level. Hopefully BBC Scotland realises it can no longer justify broadcasting this daily monologue. Sturgeon, though, will absolutely miss the limelight and exposure this has given her.

 

Let's see how autumn goes. We've had a good summer so people can enjoy socialising outdoors in beer gardens, parks etc.

 

However I'm of the belief we'll have proven treatments to combat spikes among the vulnerable come winter, as various trials of treatments have shown much promise. But it doesn't mean I don't also believe we should be cautious until we know we can treat it reliably for sure. Otherwise hospital operations will be impacted again.

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Similar to the Oldham and Greater Manchester area where increased cases have been reported while hospital admissions continue to plummet.  We're well past the point in Grampian where we would see more serious cases being hospitalised. All good news.

Yes the Aberdeen cluster actually started on July 26th when it was linked to the Hawthorn bar.  So  thats nearly 3 weeks . No hospital admissions as you rightly stated. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

4 minutes ago, kila said:

 

Let's see how autumn goes. We've had a good summer so people can enjoy socialising outdoors in beer gardens, parks etc.

 

However I'm of the belief we'll have proven treatments to combat spikes among the vulnerable come winter, as various trials of treatments have shown much promise. But it doesn't mean I don't also believe we should be cautious until we know we can treat it reliably for sure. Otherwise hospital operations will be impacted again.

 

 

I agree with you Kila. That's a fair summary of where we are. I think fears about a "2nd wave" have been more realistically reassessed as the local spikes that we are seeing now.  I think the virus is very much controllable and, as recent data suggests and evidenced by frontline Italian doctors, is likely weakening as it mutates.  I think the justification for daily Scottish briefings is not there and figures could easily be announced on the website without the daily Sturgeon Show. You are right though imo, we still need to exercise caution...but also realism.

[Nucky Thompson]

1077 new positive cases out of 178,000 processed tests in the UK

Only 4 deaths in all settings in the UK. That has to be the lowest since well before lockdown

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

1077 new positive cases out of 178,000 processed tests in the UK

Only 4 deaths in all settings in the UK. That has to be the lowest since well before lockdown

Excellent news.  Should be headlines on all social media and news outlets....however not surprised it isnt for some reason. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

4 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Excellent news.  Should be headlines on all social media and news outlets....however not surprised it isnt for some reason. 

Strange eh. There are certainly vested interests that want to keep the panic level as high as possible. The inevitable inquiry will hopefully establish exactly why.

[Victorian]

There are a few reasons to go some way towards the belief that it might be becoming less transmissible / infectious,   as well as less potent in the severity of illness.    With the ever increasing return to normal activities and interactions,   as well as the published R0 value being above 1 and the various sizeable clusters,   it may have been reasonable to expect the overall incidence to be higher than it is.

 

The powers that be would be quite right to suppress the belief that this is happening.    The ongoing belief that it's still dangerous will help massively to drive it back to micro levels.

[Nucky Thompson]

7 minutes ago, Victorian said:

There are a few reasons to go some way towards the belief that it might be becoming less transmissible / infectious,   as well as less potent in the severity of illness.    With the ever increasing return to normal activities and interactions,   as well as the published R0 value being above 1 and the various sizeable clusters,   it may have been reasonable to expect the overall incidence to be higher than it is.

 

The powers that be would be quite right to suppress the belief that this is happening.    The ongoing belief that it's still dangerous will help massively to drive it back to micro levels.

Totally agree 

[Enzo Chiefo]

12 minutes ago, Victorian said:

There are a few reasons to go some way towards the belief that it might be becoming less transmissible / infectious,   as well as less potent in the severity of illness.    With the ever increasing return to normal activities and interactions,   as well as the published R0 value being above 1 and the various sizeable clusters,   it may have been reasonable to expect the overall incidence to be higher than it is.

 

The powers that be would be quite right to suppress the belief that this is happening.    The ongoing belief that it's still dangerous will help massively to drive it back to micro levels.

Absolutely agree . Can certainly see the justification for doing that and, hopefully,  that is the case.

[Weakened Offender]

1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Excuse me?

 

I was offering you a pm bag-off and you got all defensive.

 

 

Good evening Boss. 😊

[JudyJudyJudy]

27 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Strange eh. There are certainly vested interests that want to keep the panic level as high as possible. The inevitable inquiry will hopefully establish exactly why.

Its about " saving face" after the Govt panicked in March after the doomsday prediction of 500,000 deaths.  They don't want to admit they grossly over reacted however to be fair to them it was all very new and most experts were giving conflicting information ( still do ).  . 

[Nucky Thompson]

36 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Excellent news.  Should be headlines on all social media and news outlets....however not surprised it isnt for some reason. 

The headline is 'new Covid cases above 1000 for 5 days in a row'

[Justin Z]

1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

When the good of my fellow man is on the line I'm a charitable guy, Nucky.

 

And may no one ever forget it

[Governor Tarkin]

25 minutes ago, Victorian said:

There are a few reasons to go some way towards the belief that it might be becoming less transmissible / infectious,   as well as less potent in the severity of illness.    With the ever increasing return to normal activities and interactions,   as well as the published R0 value being above 1 and the various sizeable clusters,   it may have been reasonable to expect the overall incidence to be higher than it is.

 

The powers that be would be quite right to suppress the belief that this is happening.    The ongoing belief that it's still dangerous will help massively to drive it back to micro levels.

 

Good post.

 

1 minute ago, Justin Z said:

 

And may no one ever forget it

 

😁🤘

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The headline is 'new Covid cases above 1000 for 5 days in a row'

Yep seen that everywhere.  Pathetic.  But it feeds the anxious mob on social media.  Many today on FB demanding pubs and schools need to " shut down right away".. Absolute crackers..

[frankblack]

8 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yep seen that everywhere.  Pathetic.  But it feeds the anxious mob on social media.  Many today on FB demanding pubs and schools need to " shut down right away".. Absolute crackers..

 

They do need to shut down those pubs that are not following the rules or can't social distance.

 

No one will miss those shit holes anyway.

[Nucky Thompson]

1 minute ago, frankblack said:

 

They do need to shut down those pubs that are not following the rules or can't social distance.

 

No one will miss those shit holes anyway.

Except the people who are employed there 

[redjambo]

1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes the Aberdeen cluster actually started on July 26th when it was linked to the Hawthorn bar.  So  thats nearly 3 weeks . No hospital admissions as you rightly stated. 

 

There have been the following increases in NHS Grampian Covid-+ve patients in hospital since 26 July: 2 (between 31 July & 3 August), 1 (3-4 August), 1 (9-10 August), 1 (11-12 August), so folk are still being admitted to hospital due to Covid. 

 

Those are net figures - I've no idea if there were any folk who left hospital during those periods, so the admissions figures might actually be greater.

 

These are of course low figures, but I thought I would add them for information.

Edited August 15, 2020 by redjambo

[Nucky Thompson]

The only thing that Scotland seems to be higher in per capita is people in Hospital.

980 in UK hospitals with 244 in Scotland.

We're the best for deaths and people in ICU. There are 57 in ICU in the whole of the UK with only 3 in Scotland

[frankblack]

11 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Except the people who are employed there 

 

Necessities must.

[Ray Gin]

2 hours ago, weehammy said:

No COVID deaths in Scotland for a month but daily party political broadcasts to continue.