Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Ulysses]

4 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Cause Covid only strikes after 8pm and only in bars and restaurants. 

Leave there churches open though, got to have somewhere for their priests to take the kids for a party.

 

The rule doesn't apply to churches of any denomination.  If I'm being asked to decide whether you didn't know that or were just being a sectarian *****, I reckon you just didn't know that.  But others might get the wrong idea, so don't encourage them.

 

[Irufushi]

24 minutes ago, jonesy said:

79p from the hidden disabilities site, bud. 

I’ve been robbed 😂

[Ulysses]

3 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

No ****ing chance of that ever happening Enzo. 

 

The difficulty for the medics here is trying to factor in the increased transmissibility of Omicron.  On the face of it, a drop of 90-91% in hospitalisation rates is great news - but is it great news if Omicron is (say) 4-5 times as effective at transmitting as Delta?  Instead of hospitalisation rates of 9-10% of what we saw last December and January, we'd see 35-50%.  That's still a reduction, but given the very high hospitalisation and death rates we had in Ireland last winter (and you had in the UK), that could still lead to (i) very high casualty rates and (ii) unavailability of ICU facilities for other illnesses.

 

It seems mad (or at least counter-intuitive) for the Irish government to be introducing restrictions right now when hospital numbers, ICU numbers and deaths are falling.  But last year they waited too long to act on warnings in the run in to Christmas, and that delay cost lives.  They don't want to be caught out again.  And they're not alone - a quick run through the news shows that at least 19 EEA countries have put additional restrictions in place this week.

 

I don't know what the right answer is, but for the Irish government it seems to be a case of damned if they do, damned if they don't.

[Ulysses]

5 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

Ireland implementing an 8pm curfew in restaurants and bars.

 

Venues at 50% of capacity.

 

[1971fozzy]

Who exactly is dying with this variant ?  Where is the figures ? 

[1971fozzy]

5 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

Ireland implementing an 8pm curfew in restaurants and bars.

 

Venues at 50% of capacity.

so it begins. In Scotland we have 90% uptake in vaccines so hope ‘she’ doesn’t think about implementing it here

[1971fozzy]

5 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

Ireland implementing an 8pm curfew in restaurants and bars.

 

Venues at 50% of capacity.

Of course the virus only comes out after 8pm. What a bloody joke this is 

[1971fozzy]

4 hours ago, theshed said:

Mental….I don’t understand how it’s ok to sit down for a meal at say 7pm but it’s not safe to have a meal at 830pm

that’s why these politicians are absolute arseholes.

folk will just go out from 12pm - 8pm instead of 7pm - 1am

total bellends. How much do they get paid to come out with this shit. Maybe paid in crayons

[jambogaza]

7 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

Of course the virus only comes out after 8pm. What a bloody joke this is 

 

Isn't really. Less people likely to go to pub as a result.

[1971fozzy]

Just now, jambogaza said:

 

Isn't really. Less people likely to go to pub as a result.

no, they’ll just go out earlier and hit house parties. It’s bollocks

[Ulysses]

20 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

that’s why these politicians are absolute arseholes.

folk will just go out from 12pm - 8pm instead of 7pm - 1am

total bellends. How much do they get paid to come out with this shit. Maybe paid in crayons

 

It's not easy to go out from 12-8 if you have to work.  Also, the people who recommended this to the government here aren't politicians.  They're a combination of medics of various types, researchers and health service managers.

 

 

19 minutes ago, jambogaza said:

 

Isn't really. Less people likely to go to pub as a result.

 

That's the theory, at any rate.  In Ireland, people don't just go to the pub; they go to the pub and hang out of the rafters, each other and all available surfaces.

 

 

18 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

no, they’ll just go out earlier and hit house parties. It’s bollocks

 

At this time of the year, I think that's a very real possibility.  That said, they're not actually aiming to stop socialising, they're just trying to reduce it.  So if half the punters go to house parties but half the punters don't, they'll see that as a win.

 

But all of the above is (to some extent) guesswork.  The government here will be slammed for the restrictions, but they'll be just as badly slammed if they do nothing and we end up where we were last January.

Edited December 17, 2021 by Ulysses

[Costanza]

1 hour ago, Ulysses said:

 

The difficulty for the medics here is trying to factor in the increased transmissibility of Omicron.  On the face of it, a drop of 90-91% in hospitalisation rates is great news - but is it great news if Omicron is (say) 4-5 times as effective at transmitting as Delta?  Instead of hospitalisation rates of 9-10% of what we saw last December and January, we'd see 35-50%.  That's still a reduction, but given the very high hospitalisation and death rates we had in Ireland last winter (and you had in the UK), that could still lead to (i) very high casualty rates and (ii) unavailability of ICU facilities for other illnesses.

 

It seems mad (or at least counter-intuitive) for the Irish government to be introducing restrictions right now when hospital numbers, ICU numbers and deaths are falling.  But last year they waited too long to act on warnings in the run in to Christmas, and that delay cost lives.  They don't want to be caught out again.  And they're not alone - a quick run through the news shows that at least 19 EEA countries have put additional restrictions in place this week.

 

I don't know what the right answer is, but for the Irish government it seems to be a case of damned if they do, damned if they don't.

With the for now good news with the illness and hospitalisations linked to Omicron, you wonder if the immediate issue is going to be a huge 'pingdemic' if so many people get infected. The figures in this article look pretty grim already and likely going to get worse.

As you say though, even if hospitalisations are lower than Delta, the transmissibility of Omicron has the potential to still cause significant hospitalisations and if there are lots of people off self isolating as well in the health service, then there is the potential for some real problems.

I certainly wouldn't be going out on a limb thinking it's all going to be fine based on the current SA figures.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/17/hundreds-off-work-ill-at-leading-london-hospital-as-omicron-cases-surge

[Ulysses]

9 minutes ago, Costanza said:

With the for now good news with the illness and hospitalisations linked to Omicron, you wonder if the immediate issue is going to be a huge 'pingdemic' if so many people get infected. The figures in this article look pretty grim already and likely going to get worse.

As you say though, even if hospitalisations are lower than Delta, the transmissibility of Omicron has the potential to still cause significant hospitalisations and if there are lots of people off self isolating as well in the health service, then there is the potential for some real problems.

I certainly wouldn't be going out on a limb thinking it's all going to be fine based on the current SA figures.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/17/hundreds-off-work-ill-at-leading-london-hospital-as-omicron-cases-surge

 

One thing it all does show, though.  We're not going to get to grips with Covid-19 without a worldwide vaccination programme.  It may not be enough by itself, but unless people are vaccinated around the globe we're going to keep seeing variants and mutations, and we're going to be rinsing and repeating this effing cycle of government intervening and then standing back.  If that means rich countries have to pay, then let that be the price we have to pay.

[Norm]

I can absolutely confirm Sturgeon's message is hitting home. This is supposed to be Black Friday in the bar trade. Absolute mayhem and carnage. 

 

This has been one of the quietest Fridays I've worked in a long time.

[Seymour M Hersh]

7 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

The difficulty for the medics here is trying to factor in the increased transmissibility of Omicron.  On the face of it, a drop of 90-91% in hospitalisation rates is great news - but is it great news if Omicron is (say) 4-5 times as effective at transmitting as Delta?  Instead of hospitalisation rates of 9-10% of what we saw last December and January, we'd see 35-50%.  That's still a reduction, but given the very high hospitalisation and death rates we had in Ireland last winter (and you had in the UK), that could still lead to (i) very high casualty rates and (ii) unavailability of ICU facilities for other illnesses.

 

It seems mad (or at least counter-intuitive) for the Irish government to be introducing restrictions right now when hospital numbers, ICU numbers and deaths are falling.  But last year they waited too long to act on warnings in the run in to Christmas, and that delay cost lives.  They don't want to be caught out again.  And they're not alone - a quick run through the news shows that at least 19 EEA countries have put additional restrictions in place this week.

 

I don't know what the right answer is, but for the Irish government it seems to be a case of damned if they do, damned if they don't.

 

I was only referring to Enzo's comment about data coming out of SA. 

[Maroon Sailor]

9 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Sturgeon should get shot if this blows over without major incident.

Nobody except her devout followers will take any notice of her again

 

Yep - part of me thinks she is willing a Tsunami

[Maroon Sailor]

[Bindy Badgy]

7 hours ago, 1971fozzy said:

no, they’ll just go out earlier and hit house parties. It’s bollocks

 

This looks like the perfect solution fallacy. Saying that you shouldn't  stop people from doing one harmful activity because they will do a different harmfull activity instead is not a valid argument. 

 

Whether or not people being in the pub after 8pm is particularly harmful is another argument.

[Bindy Badgy]

8 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

The difficulty for the medics here is trying to factor in the increased transmissibility of Omicron.  On the face of it, a drop of 90-91% in hospitalisation rates is great news - but is it great news if Omicron is (say) 4-5 times as effective at transmitting as Delta?  Instead of hospitalisation rates of 9-10% of what we saw last December and January, we'd see 35-50%.  That's still a reduction, but given the very high hospitalisation and death rates we had in Ireland last winter (and you had in the UK), that could still lead to (i) very high casualty rates and (ii) unavailability of ICU facilities for other illnesses.

 

It seems mad (or at least counter-intuitive) for the Irish government to be introducing restrictions right now when hospital numbers, ICU numbers and deaths are falling.  But last year they waited too long to act on warnings in the run in to Christmas, and that delay cost lives.  They don't want to be caught out again.  And they're not alone - a quick run through the news shows that at least 19 EEA countries have put additional restrictions in place this week.

 

I don't know what the right answer is, but for the Irish government it seems to be a case of damned if they do, damned if they don't.

 

To expand on this, Governments are never going to get the response completely spot on. There are too many variables and unknown factors. They can either underreact or overreact. Underreacting costs lives. Overreacting results in people missing Christmas parties. It is clearly better to overreact. The countries that have hit this hard from the outset have done considerably better that those that have fannied about.

[Maroon Sailor]

1 minute ago, Bindy Badgy said:

 

To expand on this, Governments are never going to get the response completely spot on. There are too many variables and unknown factors. They can either underreact or overreact. Underreacting costs lives. Overreacting results in people missing Christmas parties. It is clearly better to overreact. The countries that have hit this hard from the outset have done considerably better that those that have fannied about.

 

The UK didn't ***** about with the vaccine roll out.

 

The only way out of this seemingly

[Harry Potter]

France closing the door, essential travel only in to France.

[Malinga the Swinga]

10 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

The rule doesn't apply to churches of any denomination.  If I'm being asked to decide whether you didn't know that or were just being a sectarian *****, I reckon you just didn't know that.  But others might get the wrong idea, so don't encourage them.

 

Your correct, one if many things I don't know.

[theshed]

8 hours ago, Norm said:

I can absolutely confirm Sturgeon's message is hitting home. This is supposed to be Black Friday in the bar trade. Absolute mayhem and carnage. 

 

This has been one of the quietest Fridays I've worked in a long time.

Least that means I might get to the bar today 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Tested positive. Guess it was bound to get us all at some point

[The Real Maroonblood]

5 minutes ago, LMc said:

Tested positive. Guess it was bound to get us all at some point

It does seem inevitable that we’ll all get the virus at some point.

 

[escobri]

12 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

It does seem inevitable that we’ll all get the virus at some point.

 

If I don't catch this new variant I'll be disappointed, might have to get jagged to get time off work.

[redjambo]

9 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

It does seem inevitable that we’ll all get the virus at some point.

 

 

I was thinking that too. I've managed to avoid it so far, but unless I go and live in a cave it's getting more and more difficult to avoid it. A quick check of the figures show that to date 1 in 7 people in Scotland have tested positive for Covid and the real figure will no doubt be higher than that due to folk being asymptomatic and/or not getting tested. My pure guess is that once this is over, they'll estimate that up to a third of all folk in the country have caught it at some point.

[1971fozzy]

13 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

It does seem inevitable that we’ll all get the virus at some point.

 

yep and never even knew they had it. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

8 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

yep and never even knew they had it. 

Exactly.

[theshed]

54 minutes ago, LMc said:

Tested positive. Guess it was bound to get us all at some point

 

Hopefully you fee fine 

 

My sister done a test last week as her husband had it and she tested positive.... 8 days in and she’s been fine and wouldn’t have known she had it unless she’d done the test 

 

Her husband did feel crap for 2 or 3 days but is fine now 

both 40 year old 

[Dazo]

Have a bad feeling this weekends cobra meeting isn’t going to go well. Strap yourself in, post lockdown on the way folks. 🥲

[Dennis Reynolds]

5 minutes ago, theshed said:

 

Hopefully you fee fine 

 

My sister done a test last week as her husband had it and she tested positive.... 8 days in and she’s been fine and wouldn’t have known she had it unless she’d done the test 

 

Her husband did feel crap for 2 or 3 days but is fine now 

both 40 year old 

 

I've just got cold like symptoms. Bunged up and a sore throat. Have had a slight cough that seems to have gone now. 

 

Was in the pub on Sunday after the game where I'm fairly confident I picked it up as it was rammed. Sore throat by Tuesday and doing LFT's which were negative. Again, just feeling like a cold but decided to get a PCR on Thursday to ease my mind. Result at 5am this morning. Positive. Took an LFT this morning and that's now showing as positive.

 

Already feeling better though 👍 My wife got a PCR at the same time and has tested negative 🤷‍♂️

 

[Dazo]

1 minute ago, LMc said:

 

I've just got cold like symptoms. Bunged up and a sore throat. Have had a slight cough that seems to have gone now. 

 

Was in the pub on Sunday after the game where I'm fairly confident I picked it up as it was rammed. Sore throat by Tuesday and doing LFT's which were negative. Again, just feeling like a cold but decided to get a PCR on Thursday to ease my mind. Result at 5am this morning. Positive. Took an LFT this morning and that's now showing as positive.

 

Already feeling better though 👍 My wife got a PCR at the same time and has tested negative 🤷‍♂️

 

Could have just said sniffles mate as that’s what it is to the masses. Hope the recovery is speedy. 👍

[escobri]

9 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Have a bad feeling this weekends cobra meeting isn’t going to go well. Strap yourself in, post lockdown on the way folks. 🥲

Agreed, but they'll let you enjoy Christmas 🤪. Don't know what they'll do but even a 2 week circuit breaker will surely be the end of some businesses.

[Victorian]

Booster this morning from an appointment I've had for quite a few weeks.  Allermuir Health Centre,  Firrhill.  Found out last night it's also a drop in clinic and there was a fookin huge queue there.  Thankfully a separate queue for the appoinments.  In and out in half an hour.  Expect a very long wait if you were planning on going there today as a drop in. 

[Hesh]

16 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Booster this morning from an appointment I've had for quite a few weeks.  Allermuir Health Centre,  Firrhill.  Found out last night it's also a drop in clinic and there was a fookin huge queue there.  Thankfully a separate queue for the appoinments.  In and out in half an hour.  Expect a very long wait if you were planning on going there today as a drop in. 

I got a call yesterday from sighthill saying they were doing a booster clinic today. I got my booster Wednesday there so although the system might not be tied up at least they are making an effort 

[Hesh]

35 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Have a bad feeling this weekends cobra meeting isn’t going to go well. Strap yourself in, post lockdown on the way folks. 🥲

I really have no idea why people share  doom and gloom posts like this. Are we lining up a ‘I told you so moment’ we have little control over what’s going to happen, let’s just get on with stuff in the meantime.  Have a bit of though for the folk who are struggling with this, if you want to be a misery guts keep it to yourself please 

[redjambo]

5 minutes ago, Hesh said:

I really have no idea why people share  doom and gloom posts like this. Are we lining up a ‘I told you so moment’ we have little control over what’s going to happen, let’s just get on with stuff in the meantime.  Have a bit of though for the folk who are struggling with this, if you want to be a misery guts keep it to yourself please 

 

Some people just love to see the world burn, I guess.

[Hesh]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Some people just love to see the world burn, I guess.

There’s nowt as queer as folk 

[William H. Bonney]

3 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Some people just love to see the world burn, I guess.

 

[escobri]

15 minutes ago, Hesh said:

I really have no idea why people share  doom and gloom posts like this. Are we lining up a ‘I told you so moment’ we have little control over what’s going to happen, let’s just get on with stuff in the meantime.  Have a bit of though for the folk who are struggling with this, if you want to be a misery guts keep it to yourself please 

2 jags till freedom, oh wait 🥴

[Bull's-eye]

41 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Booster this morning from an appointment I've had for quite a few weeks.  Allermuir Health Centre,  Firrhill.  Found out last night it's also a drop in clinic and there was a fookin huge queue there.  Thankfully a separate queue for the appoinments.  In and out in half an hour.  Expect a very long wait if you were planning on going there today as a drop in. 

 

 

Would hate for you to have a sore arm that put you off posting for an hour or two.

[Hesh]

5 minutes ago, escobri said:

2 jags till freedom, oh wait 🥴

 Aye compare the hospitalisations and deaths to pre jags 

 

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

16 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Even the Welsh decision to close night clubs after Christmas is mad. What, your safe till then, and then Covid will suddenly appear.

It's nonsense decisions like this that piss me off most about politicians, especially the shite ones we have at present.

 

Exactly, if it's so transmissible and is doubling every other day, then why wait 10 days to shut night clubs down, they should have been shut with immediate effect to prevent night clubs being a source behind the spread. 

[Francis Albert]

3 hours ago, Bindy Badgy said:

 

To expand on this, Governments are never going to get the response completely spot on. There are too many variables and unknown factors. They can either underreact or overreact. Underreacting costs lives. Overreacting results in people missing Christmas parties. It is clearly better to overreact. The countries that have hit this hard from the outset have done considerably better that those that have fannied about.

Over-reacting also costs (and damages) lives. The iimpact takes longer to materialise and is more difficult to quantify. It is not just about missing Christmas parties.

 

(PS the longer term impacts are also a problem for future Governments and ministers.)

Edited December 18, 2021 by Francis Albert

[milky_26]

27 minutes ago, Hesh said:

I really have no idea why people share  doom and gloom posts like this. Are we lining up a ‘I told you so moment’ we have little control over what’s going to happen, let’s just get on with stuff in the meantime.  Have a bit of though for the folk who are struggling with this, if you want to be a misery guts keep it to yourself please 

some of probably come from reports that sage are pushing for plan C

 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-officials-drawing-up-plans-for-two-week-post-christmas-lockdown-over-omicron-threat-reports-say-12498746

 

i dont agree that we are at the point for plan c. there is nothing wrong having the plans in place (and actually there should be plans for all situtations like this and others) and have the conditions that need met for them to be enacted. however as others say at some point we need to get on with normal life and live with it

[escobri]

3 minutes ago, Hesh said:

 Aye compare the hospitalisations and deaths to pre jags 

 

 

What a crap graph 🤣 what about the excess deaths in Scotland and how covid is a tiny part of this. Far bigger problems than the sniffles around.

[Hesh]

1 minute ago, escobri said:

What a crap graph 🤣 what about the excess deaths in Scotland and how covid is a tiny part of this. Far bigger problems than the sniffles around.

Aye nice deflection, scot govt and nhs scot govt figures so let’s change the subject to excess deaths. No further engagement from me, if you’ve chosen not to have jags up to you, you’ll take the hit if you get seriously ill or your friends and family will if you die 

[frankblack]

12 hours ago, 1971fozzy said:

Of course the virus only comes out after 8pm. What a bloody joke this is 

 

Fixed closing times is counter-productive because it empties everyone out at the same time to mix at bottlenecks for public transport, and arguably will increase transmission over staggered closing times.

[milky_26]

Just now, frankblack said:

 

Fixed closing times is counter-productive because it empties everyone out at the same time to mix at bottlenecks for public transport, and arguably will increase transmission over staggered closing times.

that is exactly what was said (and happened) when they had these earlier in the pandemic as people were dumped out of the pub at the same time and were left in a queue for taxis or congregated outside with everyone else