The Mighty Thor Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, redjambo said: I can answer that with a graph from Travelling Tabby. Scotland is in the centre on the 300 line, just above the red of Turkey, Spain is in light blue on the 20 line. And remember, this graph is logarithmic. Why is it that the UK is doing so badly case-wise compared to the vast majority of other countries? I think that this is a question that definitely needs to be asked and researched. Stand by for the usual wibble or Mike Yeadon backed evidence 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperstarSteve Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 10 minutes ago, Smithee said: Btw I reckon only folk who got furlough should be taxed more, I had to work y*******s! Furlough grants came at different levels of finance am sure. One company could get 50k grant. Another maximum 10k. Grant. Not legit numbers just an example but there won’t be separate taxes I wouldn’t imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, redjambo said: The latest trend stats. Nice drop in the 7-day deaths rate. 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area WHO Today Yesterday 12 Oct 11 Oct 10 Oct 9 Oct 8 Oct ... 1 Oct Scotland 4 308 309 -1 318 320 310 305 306 ... 345 Stirling 4 479 471 +8 478 495 458 413 398 ... 366 West Lothian 4 433 441 -8 465 480 456 425 455 ... 504 Dundee City 4 408 427 -19 437 435 440 429 417 ... 427 Fife 4 392 396 -4 408 406 382 373 361 ... 407 East Renfrewshire 4 380 376 +4 375 373 355 344 330 ... 354 Aberdeenshire 4 377 378 -1 403 404 380 378 379 ... 339 East Ayrshire 4 368 377 -9 394 405 414 403 411 ... 440 Falkirk 4 362 366 -4 379 394 398 400 416 ... 421 North Lanarkshire 4 351 342 +9 371 378 367 373 373 ... 442 North Ayrshire 4 346 358 -12 342 341 340 327 335 ... 441 Renfrewshire 4 332 309 +23 304 307 298 283 270 ... 371 Clackmannanshire 4 322 298 +24 263 263 253 222 226 ... 328 South Lanarkshire 4 321 313 +8 319 333 320 314 324 ... 382 Moray 4 319 324 -5 355 357 379 374 383 ... 231 Angus 4 308 304 +4 301 293 269 267 243 ... 234 Scottish Borders 4 305 322 -17 335 336 317 307 308 ... 188 East Lothian 4 214 301 294 +7 258 246 221 219 209 ... 265 East Dunbartonshire 4 295 294 +1 297 312 318 314 333 ... 382 West Dunbartonshire 4 292 299 -7 310 314 307 298 317 ... 437 Dumfries & Galloway 4 266 271 -5 289 308 300 301 305 ... 361 Midlothian 4 264 246 +18 246 248 251 252 263 ... 327 Aberdeen City 4 253 248 +5 262 272 267 266 259 ... 292 Perth & Kinross 4 253 288 -35 295 294 265 282 276 ... 304 Glasgow City 4 251 254 -3 262 273 275 279 287 ... 328 Argyll & Bute 4 250 240 +10 241 239 222 224 235 ... 304 Edinburgh City 4 240 244 -4 246 231 219 204 204 ... 238 Inverclyde 4 239 257 -18 258 257 260 249 231 ... 365 South Ayrshire 4 234 237 -3 255 245 235 223 235 ... 541 Highland 4 211 220 211 +9 217 207 199 193 193 ... 168 Na h-Eileanan Siar 4 151 125 +26 136 132 140 174 226 ... 234 Shetland Islands 3 87 109 -22 127 127 144 166 166 ... 70 Orkney Islands 3 71 98 -27 71 76 85 80 67 ... 85 7-day averages Today Yesterday 12 Oct 11 Oct 10 Oct 9 Oct 8 Oct ... 1 Oct Tests 30548 30827 -279 32422 32702 32521 32414 33156 ... 35457 Cases 2405 2412 -7 2480 2501 2424 2378 2392 ... 2694 Positivity rate % 8.4 8.4 0.0 8.2 8.2 8.0 7.8 7.7 ... 8.2 Deaths 17 19 -2 19 18 18 18 18 ... 19 All Vaccinations 8099 8220 -121 8393 8676 8848 9031 9138 ... 6572 1st Dose 5733 5850 -117 6005 6169 6460 6625 6682 ... 3705 2nd Dose 2366 2370 -4 2388 2507 2388 2406 2456 ... 2867 All in hospital 932 943 -11 953 962 972 976 979 ... 1009 Non-ICU 877 885 -8 893 900 908 910 912 ... 935 ICU 55 58 -3 60 62 64 66 67 ... 74 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 38 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: You've just came back from Spain where mask adoption is huge. No arguments, no wee daisy lanyards, just folks cracking on with it, with a mask on indoors & on transport etc. What's Spain's new daily case rate like? To turn it around you could ask why Scotlands case rate was the highest in Europe at one point despite face masks being mandatory. Personally I’m not sure face masks are the big reason for case rate fluctuations. I think they have there place in society and have no real issue wearing one when required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Still in Spain there is no difference between mask wearing in Scotland and mask wearing in Spain - people outside more at the moment here don’t think Delta really took hold here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dazo said: To turn it around you could ask why Scotlands case rate was the highest in Europe at one point despite face masks being mandatory. Personally I’m not sure face masks are the big reason for case rate fluctuations. I think they have there place in society and have no real issue wearing one when required. You make a great point. My only comment would be Spanish Mandatory and Scottish Mandatory (voluntary if you can be arsed, haven't got a wee daisy lanyard) I have no issue wearing a mask where required. It's hardly onerous at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic roundabout Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 52 minutes ago, Smithee said: Btw I reckon only folk who got furlough should be taxed more, I had to work y*******s! Lol where I worked people on furlough ended up getting more pay than those who worked! (For the first few months).As they were allow to sell back annual leave at full rate (a week per month)!! That didn't go down well!!! So yes tax em!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 53 minutes ago, westbow said: You got a problem with shop assistants 😂. Jesus. The same people who worked through the lockdowns when most were quaking under their duvets. I employ five shop assistants that have had to put up with some right wasters between the lockdowns, and after, that insist they have “the asthma” or had a”full heart attack” who are generally of a type that I’d follow for being suspiciously shoplifteresque. You can tell them from the genuinely exempt a mile off. I’m presuming you work in a profession which looks down on hard working people- something embittering. People don't have to insist that they have anything wrong with them as they don't have to prove anything to shopkeepers or whoever. As for your comment about being able to tell 'genuine' exempt by looking at them. Aye, because all disabilities are visible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: You make a great point. My only comment would be Spanish Mandatory and Scottish Mandatory (voluntary if you can be arsed, haven't got a wee daisy lanyard) I have no issue wearing a mask where required. It's hardly onerous at the moment. Wee daisy lanyards aren't even required in Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: People don't have to insist that they have anything wrong with them as they don't have to prove anything to shopkeepers or whoever. As for your comment about being able to tell 'genuine' exempt by looking at them. Aye, because all disabilities are visible Spot on. I tried to let that one go, but... On the one hand accusing people of looking down on others, whilst also describing people as looking "shoplifteresque". Staggering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 26 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Still in Spain there is no difference between mask wearing in Scotland and mask wearing in Spain - people outside more at the moment here don’t think Delta really took hold here Yes, I agree. Not sure where Thor was seeing the difference tbh. Same situation in Spain as here, from my perspective. Lifting masks up when speaking to people and some folk just not bothering wearing them at all. There is a greater vaccine uptake in Spain and less hesitancy. Probably people, generally, live healthier lifestyles and take more individual responsibility for their outcomes. Case rates are very low there and I doubt that has anything whatsoever to do with mask wearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 49 minutes ago, Dazo said: To turn it around you could ask why Scotlands case rate was the highest in Europe at one point despite face masks being mandatory. Personally I’m not sure face masks are the big reason for case rate fluctuations. I think they have there place in society and have no real issue wearing one when required. Obesity and unhealthy habits 23 minutes ago, Taffin said: Spot on. I tried to let that one go, but... On the one hand accusing people of looking down on others, whilst also describing people as looking "shoplifteresque". Staggering. Cognitive dissonance ? 11 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Yes, I agree. Not sure where Thor was seeing the difference tbh. Same situation in Spain as here, from my perspective. Lifting masks up when speaking to people and some folk just not bothering wearing them at all. There is a greater vaccine uptake in Spain and less hesitancy. Probably people, generally, live healthier lifestyles and take more individual responsibility for their outcomes. Case rates are very low there and I doubt that has anything whatsoever to do with mask wearing. Obesity and unhealthy life style choices 4 minutes ago, jonesy said: Your data offends me, stat monkey. Please make it wear a mask. Or lanyard. 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, scott herbertson said: I've stopped reading it so much when people stopped talking about the stats, which is the bit I find interesting and informative. They don't worry me at all, but I am interested in the progress of the pandemic and governments' differing approaches to dealing with it. I say this as someone who has been involved in emergency planning in the past. it's a subject which interests me, hence i like to read about it and discuss it and the stats are important factual evidence i that respect 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said: You make a great point. My only comment would be Spanish Mandatory and Scottish Mandatory (voluntary if you can be arsed, haven't got a wee daisy lanyard) I have no issue wearing a mask where required. It's hardly onerous at the moment. Definitely agree regarding Scottish mandatory. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Just a quick question re masks as I’m in the pub with a friend who doesn’t follow the stats and he is wondering is there actually any difference really in the stats between England and Scotland despite the mask regulations ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Yes, I agree. Not sure where Thor was seeing the difference tbh. Same situation in Spain as here, from my perspective. Lifting masks up when speaking to people and some folk just not bothering wearing them at all. There is a greater vaccine uptake in Spain and less hesitancy. Probably people, generally, live healthier lifestyles and take more individual responsibility for their outcomes. Case rates are very low there and I doubt that has anything whatsoever to do with mask wearing. Compliance of mask wearing in Spain was miles ahead of Scotland. People just did it. no debate, no discussion. I'm quite sure the Spanish government see a benefit of mask wearing and the impacts it has on their case rates. I'm not sure where you're going with the individual responsibility point TBH. Does Spain have more critical thinkers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said: There is a greater vaccine uptake in Spain and less hesitancy. Probably people, generally, live healthier lifestyles and take more individual responsibility for their outcomes. Case rates are very low there and I doubt that has anything whatsoever to do with mask wearing. I suspect that the vaccine uptake in Spain is what is keeping the case numbers down rather than mask wearing. Spain has vaccinated 80%/79% of its total population with 1st/2nd doses. The UK has vaccinated 73.5%/67.5%. Until the UK vaccinates a higher proportion of teenagers, then I think the underlying level of virus in the community will remain comparatively high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Compliance of mask wearing in Spain was miles ahead of Scotland. People just did it. no debate, no discussion. I'm quite sure the Spanish government see a benefit of mask wearing and the impacts it has on their case rates. I'm not sure where you're going with the individual responsibility point TBH. Does Spain have more critical thinkers? They have less pie eaters. Not sure about critical thinkers. I wasn't monitoring mask wearing but if "the people just did it, no debate, no discussion" then that is indeed a chilling indication of a govt in full control and certainly points to a lack of critical thinkers. If only these smelly feckers that are blocking our roads would just move their erses "no debate, no discussion ". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: I suspect that the vaccine uptake in Spain is what is keeping the case numbers down rather than mask wearing. Spain has vaccinated 80%/79% of its total population with 1st/2nd doses. The UK has vaccinated 73.5%/67.5%. Until the UK vaccinates a higher proportion of teenagers, then I think the underlying level of virus in the community will remain comparatively high. Yes, I agree FF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said: People don't have to insist that they have anything wrong with them as they don't have to prove anything to shopkeepers or whoever. As for your comment about being able to tell 'genuine' exempt by looking at them. Aye, because all disabilities are visible Oh there is a type. Ask anyone who works in retail. We ask if they have a face covering, never ask to put a mask on or wear the ****ing thing rather than having it hanging under their nose or chin, never ask for proof of anything. If they say exempt or whatever we don’t say anything. We stay polite and professional. Amazing the amount of groups of young healthy looking people that have asthma though. Never mind covid, there is an asthma epidemic among shifty looking neds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 2 hours ago, westbow said: You got a problem with shop assistants 😂. Jesus. The same people who worked through the lockdowns when most were quaking under their duvets. I employ five shop assistants that have had to put up with some right wasters between the lockdowns, and after, that insist they have “the asthma” or had a”full heart attack” who are generally of a type that I’d follow for being suspiciously shoplifteresque. You can tell them from the genuinely exempt a mile off. I’m presuming you work in a profession which looks down on hard working people- something embittering. I'm curious as to what a "full heart attack" is? I suppose it's twice as bad as "half a heart attack" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Taffin said: Spot on. I tried to let that one go, but... On the one hand accusing people of looking down on others, whilst also describing people as looking "shoplifteresque". Staggering. 😂 Owned retail businesses for 25 years and I know a dodgy character when I see one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Just now, Jambo-Jimbo said: I'm curious as to what a "full heart attack" is? I suppose it's twice as bad as "half a heart attack" You and me both. Didn’t even ask for their maladies they just proffer up some crackers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) I'm not opposed to people judging others on appearance but it feels hypocritical to then tell others not to judge on 'class'. Out of interest what does a dodgy character look like? Edit: made a hash of quoting @westbow Edited October 14, 2021 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 25 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: They have less pie eaters. Not sure about critical thinkers. I wasn't monitoring mask wearing but if "the people just did it, no debate, no discussion" then that is indeed a chilling indication of a govt in full control and certainly points to a lack of critical thinkers. If only these smelly feckers that are blocking our roads would just move their erses "no debate, no discussion ". It’s really that simple , too many pie eaters ! Time and again saw it on news item regarding covid . Bigger people . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Taffin said: I'm not opposed to people judging others on appearance but it feels hypocritical to then tell others not to judge on 'class'. Out of interest what does a dodgy character look like? Edit: made a hash of quoting @westbow He’s rather judgmental Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, JamesM48 said: Just a quick question re masks as I’m in the pub with a friend who doesn’t follow the stats and he is wondering is there actually any difference really in the stats between England and Scotland despite the mask regulations ? There are differences but it is hard to ascribe them specifically to one action as Governments are making not just one decision. For example more people are vaccinated in Scotland than in England, England currently has more cases, scotland currently has more deaths. Scotland is vaccinating 12-15 year olds much quicker than England as it is doing it on a voluntary basis at centres whereas England is doing it though schools (and I think consent is taking longer/ not happening more). Masks are mandatory on public transport and largely complied with in my experience. In England not legally obliged (though transport companies messaging is you must wear one unless exempt) but virtually no one wearing them on trains when I went to Manchester last week. You can extrapolate from the key decisions and changes (eg when the schools went back in each country, the opening up differences) that what we are seeing is Scotland having gone through a wave of higher cases when schools opened and now on a long slow downward curve. England on the other hand has rising cases so they are in an earlier stage. If masks have an impact you could look at how high cases, deaths rise in England compared to scotland. It might be over simplistic though. Excess deaths is another measure which can be looked at. To really judge you would have to look at the longer term and if you do that Scotland seems to have had fewer deaths per capita, though recently that's not been the case (our earlier surge after schools re-opened) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, Taffin said: I'm not opposed to people judging others on appearance but it feels hypocritical to then tell others not to judge on 'class'. Out of interest what does a dodgy character look like? Edit: made a hash of quoting @westbow Class? Bugger all to do with it. I’m sure you would know a dodgy character when you saw one. I’ve had to deal with plenty, believe me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 24 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: He’s rather judgmental I’m kind of hurt I don’t get a gif. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Just now, westbow said: I’m kind of hurt I don’t get a gif. Oh ok then 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, scott herbertson said: There are differences but it is hard to ascribe them specifically to one action as Governments are making not just one decision. For example more people are vaccinated in Scotland than in England, England currently has more cases, scotland currently has more deaths. Scotland is vaccinating 12-15 year olds much quicker than England as it is doing it on a voluntary basis at centres whereas England is doing it though schools (and I think consent is taking longer/ not happening more). Masks are mandatory on public transport and largely complied with in my experience. In England not legally obliged (though transport companies messaging is you must wear one unless exempt) but virtually no one wearing them on trains when I went to Manchester last week. You can extrapolate from the key decisions and changes (eg when the schools went back in each country, the opening up differences) that what we are seeing is Scotland having gone through a wave of higher cases when schools opened and now on a long slow downward curve. England on the other hand has rising cases so they are in an earlier stage. If masks have an impact you could look at how high cases, deaths rise in England compared to scotland. It might be over simplistic though. Excess deaths is another measure which can be looked at. To really judge you would have to look at the longer term and if you do that Scotland seems to have had fewer deaths per capita, though recently that's not been the case (our earlier surge after schools re-opened) I’ll read it later I’m half pissed 👀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Oh ok then 😂😂 😁 - actually made my day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 minute ago, westbow said: 😁 - actually made my day. Oh well I’m glad I’ve made someone’s day ! It’s made my day 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 22 minutes ago, westbow said: Class? Bugger all to do with it. I’m sure you would know a dodgy character when you saw one. I’ve had to deal with plenty, believe me. I agree class has nothing to do with it, but you accused another poster of judging people based on their class...whilst saying you can spot a thief based on their appearance alone. All the dodgy characters that I've met have been of varying appearances. I wasn't aware they had a uniform or inherent physical appearance. Anyway, back on topic. Covid, doesn't really enter my thoughts daily anymore which is surely a sign of things being on the up 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 22 minutes ago, Taffin said: I agree class has nothing to do with it, but you accused another poster of judging people based on their class...whilst saying you can spot a thief based on their appearance alone. All the dodgy characters that I've met have been of varying appearances. I wasn't aware they had a uniform or inherent physical appearance. Anyway, back on topic. Covid, doesn't really enter my thoughts daily anymore which is surely a sign of things being on the up 👍 Yeah, well presumably you don’t work in the same industry as me. And I never mentioned class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 32 minutes ago, Taffin said: Covid, doesn't really enter my thoughts daily anymore which is surely a sign of things being on the up 👍 Yeah good observation. I think the vast majority of people will be in a very different mindset now compared to the worse times. But along a spectrum. It could never be the case that everyone 'moves on' in the same way and at the same pace. I don't see any conceivable way of determining who is so-called moving on better than someone else. Again along a spectrum, this whole thing has been a trauma on people. Some people might not even realise they've been affected. Or choose not to admit it. Everyone will recover in good time and I believe they'll recover better when comfortable to do so at their own pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 25 minutes ago, Victorian said: Yeah good observation. I think the vast majority of people will be in a very different mindset now compared to the worse times. But along a spectrum. It could never be the case that everyone 'moves on' in the same way and at the same pace. I don't see any conceivable way of determining who is so-called moving on better than someone else. Again along a spectrum, this whole thing has been a trauma on people. Some people might not even realise they've been affected. Or choose not to admit it. Everyone will recover in good time and I believe they'll recover better when comfortable to do so at their own pace. 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Victorian said: Yeah good observation. I think the vast majority of people will be in a very different mindset now compared to the worse times. But along a spectrum. It could never be the case that everyone 'moves on' in the same way and at the same pace. I don't see any conceivable way of determining who is so-called moving on better than someone else. Again along a spectrum, this whole thing has been a trauma on people. Some people might not even realise they've been affected. Or choose not to admit it. Everyone will recover in good time and I believe they'll recover better when comfortable to do so at their own pace. Good post. There's definitely an element of that part in bold for me...not so much now but when I came off furlough I really threw myself into work as I was raring to go and didn't want to be stopped. I was travelling all around the country, either eating sandwiches in hotel rooms where everything else was closed or leaving my house at 4am to drive places and getting back at 7pm and doing that 5 days in a row. I didn't want to be stopped by covid but in hindsight I took a real battering from it and it affected me for sure over Christmas and into the new year. Took a while to recognise that though and I've only really been cognisant of the impact it had the last couple of months. Edited October 14, 2021 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, westbow said: Yeah, well presumably you don’t work in the same industry as me. And I never mentioned class. You're not a steward at Easter Road are you, westbow??😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said: You're not a steward at Easter Road are you, westbow??😂 🤮🤢🤮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Day 2 Lateral flow tests to replace PCR tests from 24 October in England. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58917231 Scotland has committed to following suit, so anyone returning from 24 October can book a cheaper test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Footballfirst said: Day 2 Lateral flow tests to replace PCR tests from 24 October in England. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58917231 Scotland has committed to following suit, so anyone returning from 24 October can book a cheaper test. On the subject of 2 days testing just as an aside. We returned from Mallorca middle of September. Purchased 2 day tests before departure at £138. Got home, no test packages had arrived. Arrived on day 3 after return. No address labels with either of them so didn’t know where to send them. Made a call, pressed option 2 then 3, then 1 then 2 again. Got told they were busy and to call back. Didn’t bother. Binned the tests. No contact or reminders or phone calls received since, which led me to believe the whole thing was a money making scam which contributed absolutely zero to the well being of the public at large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 13 hours ago, scott herbertson said: There are differences but it is hard to ascribe them specifically to one action as Governments are making not just one decision. For example more people are vaccinated in Scotland than in England, England currently has more cases, scotland currently has more deaths. Scotland is vaccinating 12-15 year olds much quicker than England as it is doing it on a voluntary basis at centres whereas England is doing it though schools (and I think consent is taking longer/ not happening more). Masks are mandatory on public transport and largely complied with in my experience. In England not legally obliged (though transport companies messaging is you must wear one unless exempt) but virtually no one wearing them on trains when I went to Manchester last week. You can extrapolate from the key decisions and changes (eg when the schools went back in each country, the opening up differences) that what we are seeing is Scotland having gone through a wave of higher cases when schools opened and now on a long slow downward curve. England on the other hand has rising cases so they are in an earlier stage. If masks have an impact you could look at how high cases, deaths rise in England compared to scotland. It might be over simplistic though. Excess deaths is another measure which can be looked at. To really judge you would have to look at the longer term and if you do that Scotland seems to have had fewer deaths per capita, though recently that's not been the case (our earlier surge after schools re-opened) 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 8 hours ago, Footballfirst said: Day 2 Lateral flow tests to replace PCR tests from 24 October in England. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58917231 Scotland has committed to following suit, so anyone returning from 24 October can book a cheaper test. If you haven’t already purchased pcr tests, like we have for our return on the 25th. 🙄😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 14 hours ago, Footballfirst said: I suspect that the vaccine uptake in Spain is what is keeping the case numbers down rather than mask wearing. Spain has vaccinated 80%/79% of its total population with 1st/2nd doses. The UK has vaccinated 73.5%/67.5%. Until the UK vaccinates a higher proportion of teenagers, then I think the underlying level of virus in the community will remain comparatively high. Totally, it's interesting how the scientists here struck a balance in favour of individual risk as opposed to society as a whole. We also saw this approach in the context of throwing AZ under the bus in picking Pfizer for the under 40's pre delta. Both of which were pretty marginal calls in their own right and really didn't stack up at the societal level which I think is why the government eventually grew a pair and reversed the 12-15 approach. The consequences of this divergence has knock on implication for travel/tourism as the European default position seems to be an assumption that over 12's will be vaccinated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 13 hours ago, scott herbertson said: There are differences but it is hard to ascribe them specifically to one action as Governments are making not just one decision. For example more people are vaccinated in Scotland than in England, England currently has more cases, scotland currently has more deaths. Scotland is vaccinating 12-15 year olds much quicker than England as it is doing it on a voluntary basis at centres whereas England is doing it though schools (and I think consent is taking longer/ not happening more). Masks are mandatory on public transport and largely complied with in my experience. In England not legally obliged (though transport companies messaging is you must wear one unless exempt) but virtually no one wearing them on trains when I went to Manchester last week. You can extrapolate from the key decisions and changes (eg when the schools went back in each country, the opening up differences) that what we are seeing is Scotland having gone through a wave of higher cases when schools opened and now on a long slow downward curve. England on the other hand has rising cases so they are in an earlier stage. If masks have an impact you could look at how high cases, deaths rise in England compared to scotland. It might be over simplistic though. Excess deaths is another measure which can be looked at. To really judge you would have to look at the longer term and if you do that Scotland seems to have had fewer deaths per capita, though recently that's not been the case (our earlier surge after schools re-opened) 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Dazo said: If you haven’t already purchased pcr tests, like we have for our return on the 25th. 🙄😂 Apologies for not replying a couple of weeks ago, Dazo but Randox tests dropped off at 9.30am and results emailed the next day pm. Enjoy your holiday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 As many as 43,000 false negative PCR test results being linked to the wonky test lab in Wolverhampton. I suppose there might be some consequence of it feeding into the current case rates, etc. Who knows? World leading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, Victorian said: As many as 43,000 false negative PCR test results being linked to the wonky test lab in Wolverhampton. I suppose there might be some consequence of it feeding into the current case rates, etc. Who knows? World leading. Eton college into a form of lockdown with 50 students confined to their boarding houses and compulsory mask wearing and LTF tests daily. I guess you can't afford the possibility of future criminal Tory MP's getting sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Eton college into a form of lockdown with 50 students confined to their boarding houses and compulsory mask wearing and LTF tests daily. I guess you can't afford the possibility of future criminal Tory MP's getting sick. I may be off but I'm guessing you didn't go there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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