Victorian Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 PM is sorry for covid losses, says... someone else. Maybe he was sent a postcard from Spain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Victorian said: PM is sorry for covid losses, says... someone else. Maybe he was sent a postcard from Spain. Seemingly apologised in the commons some time ago, might have been at PMQ's one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 35 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Seemingly apologised in the commons some time ago, might have been at PMQ's one day. He apologised in a press briefing on 25th Jan when the death toll hit 100,000 “I think on this day I should just really repeat that I am deeply sorry for every life that has been lost, and of course as I was prime minister I take full responsibility for everything that the government has done,” he said, when asked what had gone wrong with the UK response. It'll be interesting to see if this contrition remains when we get to a public inquiry in 2035 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: He apologised in a press briefing on 25th Jan when the death toll hit 100,000 “I think on this day I should just really repeat that I am deeply sorry for every life that has been lost, and of course as I was prime minister I take full responsibility for everything that the government has done,” he said, when asked what had gone wrong with the UK response. It'll be interesting to see if this contrition remains when we get to a public inquiry in 2035 I didn't know when it was, just that I'd heard them mention about it on the news. I still don't get why other government ministers are so reluctant to repeat it and say sorry themselves but hide behind bojo's statement, what is it, are they scared that by saying sorry would make them personally liable and left without a chair when the music stops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: I didn't know when it was, just that I'd heard them mention about it on the news. I still don't get why other government ministers are so reluctant to repeat it and say sorry themselves but hide behind bojo's statement, what is it, are they scared that by saying sorry would make them personally liable and left without a chair when the music stops. They would all be as well to make unambiguous apologies now, regardless of the outcomes of the inquiries and what level of blame is attributed to individuals. UK and devolved administrations. Unreserved apologies now says that you're sorry, despite the chance that you might escape direct blame in the inquiry. Doing so after the blame is shared out says you were waiting to see how sorry you need to be. As usual with these big events, the apologies will need to be made multiple times. All and sundry will keep repeating demands for apologies that have already been made. That's just the nature of these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 38 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: I didn't know when it was, just that I'd heard them mention about it on the news. I still don't get why other government ministers are so reluctant to repeat it and say sorry themselves but hide behind bojo's statement, what is it, are they scared that by saying sorry would make them personally liable and left without a chair when the music stops. The other ministers are career politicians and there's no danger they'll apologise as it would infer liability, where as Johnson is a liability and couldn't really care as he'll probably not be in Government when any inquiry comes to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 13 minutes ago, Victorian said: They would all be as well to make unambiguous apologies now, regardless of the outcomes of the inquiries and what level of blame is attributed to individuals. UK and devolved administrations. Unreserved apologies now says that you're sorry, despite the chance that you might escape direct blame in the inquiry. Doing so after the blame is shared out says you were waiting to see how sorry you need to be. As usual with these big events, the apologies will need to be made multiple times. All and sundry will keep repeating demands for apologies that have already been made. That's just the nature of these things. The thing that gets me and I'm sure most other people as well, these politicians are only human (possibly) and there is no shame in admitting they got things wrong, christ the pandemic is/was unprecedented times and of course people were going to make mistakes. I think most people realise this and would accept an apology and a committment to learn from the mistakes and do everything in their power to not make them again. But then you get dickheids like Stephen 'Mr Perfect' Barclay repeatedly refusing to apologise, but coming over as a complete twat about it, is what people will remember, and in his case I hope yesterday's antics follow him for his entire political career and beyond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 19 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said: Worst waiting time performance yet from NHS Scotland Scandalous Sturgeon. Covid Scotland: Scotland records worst A&E waiting times performance yet | The Scotsman I thought Scotland had just built a number of swanky brand new hospitals - are these just teething issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: The thing that gets me and I'm sure most other people as well, these politicians are only human (possibly) and there is no shame in admitting they got things wrong, christ the pandemic is/was unprecedented times and of course people were going to make mistakes. I think most people realise this and would accept an apology and a committment to learn from the mistakes and do everything in their power to not make them again. But then you get dickheids like Stephen 'Mr Perfect' Barclay repeatedly refusing to apologise, but coming over as a complete twat about it, is what people will remember, and in his case I hope yesterday's antics follow him for his entire political career and beyond. Apologies are one thing but the lessons is the much more important thing. I would actually have more respect for a politician who admitted that certain lessons were not learned when there was an opportunity to learn and avoid repeating a failure. The old lessons will be learned line is just a meaningless soundbite. We can see that some failures were repeated and lessons not learned. If someone comes out and admits that they were too slow or errant to learn a lesson then that means they're now paying attention to the specifics. I wonder who will and wont. Edited October 13, 2021 by Victorian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Scottish numbers: 13 October 2021 Summary 2,581 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+673; down from 3,055 a week ago] 35,728 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [+16,334] 7.7% of these were positive [-2.8%] 30 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+3] 51 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [=] 918 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-17] 4,270,126 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,868,656 have received their second dose [+4,371; +2,284] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 21 minutes ago, Victorian said: Apologies are one thing but the lessons is the much more important thing. I would actually have more respect for a politician who admitted that certain lessons were not learned when there was an opportunity to learn and avoid repeating a failure. The old lessons will be learned line is just a meaningless soundbite. We can see that some failures were repeated and lessons not learned. If someone comes out and admits that they were too slow or errant to learn a lesson then that means they're now paying attention to the specifics. I wonder who will and wont. Yip, they just don't seem to get that they would get much more respect if, they admitted they were wrong and have learnt from their mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Yip, they just don't seem to get that they would get much more respect if, they admitted they were wrong and have learnt from their mistakes. Admit errors but, more importantly, admit the repeated errors. Admit to where lessons were missed. Nowadays nobody believes that lessons will be learned because they are frequently not learned. If you admit to missed lessons then it indicates you're more switched on than a stuffed suit blathering cliches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 The latest trend stats. A welcome decline in cases and hospitalisations, but we could do without that increasing 7-day positivity rate. 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area WHO Today Yesterday 11 Oct 10 Oct 9 Oct 8 Oct 7 Oct ... 1 Oct Scotland 4 309 318 -9 320 310 305 306 308 ... 345 Stirling 4 471 478 -7 495 458 413 398 382 ... 366 West Lothian 4 441 465 -24 480 456 425 455 459 ... 504 Dundee City 4 427 437 -10 435 440 429 417 402 ... 427 Fife 4 396 408 -12 406 382 373 361 360 ... 407 Aberdeenshire 4 378 403 -25 404 380 378 379 375 ... 339 East Ayrshire 4 377 394 -17 405 414 403 411 377 ... 440 East Renfrewshire 4 376 375 +1 373 355 344 330 344 ... 354 Falkirk 4 366 379 -13 394 398 400 416 401 ... 421 North Ayrshire 4 358 342 +16 341 340 327 335 335 ... 441 North Lanarkshire 4 342 371 -29 378 367 373 373 384 ... 442 Moray 4 324 355 -31 357 379 374 383 369 ... 231 Scottish Borders 4 322 335 -13 336 317 307 308 282 ... 188 South Lanarkshire 4 313 319 -6 333 320 314 324 335 ... 382 Renfrewshire 4 309 304 +5 307 298 283 270 284 ... 371 Angus 4 304 301 +3 293 269 267 243 224 ... 234 West Dunbartonshire 4 299 310 -11 314 307 298 317 351 ... 437 Clackmannanshire 4 298 263 +35 263 253 222 226 253 ... 328 East Dunbartonshire 4 294 297 -3 312 318 314 333 356 ... 382 East Lothian 4 214 294 258 +36 246 221 219 209 199 ... 265 Perth & Kinross 4 288 295 -7 294 265 282 276 273 ... 304 Dumfries & Galloway 4 271 289 -18 308 300 301 305 307 ... 361 Inverclyde 4 257 258 -1 257 260 249 231 227 ... 365 Glasgow City 4 254 262 -8 273 275 279 287 294 ... 328 Aberdeen City 4 248 262 -14 272 267 266 259 278 ... 292 Midlothian 4 246 246 0 248 251 252 263 263 ... 327 Edinburgh City 4 244 246 -2 231 219 204 204 206 ... 238 Argyll & Bute 4 240 241 -1 239 222 224 235 238 ... 304 South Ayrshire 4 237 255 -18 245 235 223 235 265 ... 541 Highland 4 211 211 217 -6 207 199 193 193 176 ... 168 Na h-Eileanan Siar 3 125 136 -11 132 140 174 226 215 ... 234 Shetland Islands 3 109 127 -18 127 144 166 166 149 ... 70 Orkney Islands 3 98 71 +27 76 85 80 67 63 ... 85 7-day averages Today Yesterday 11 Oct 10 Oct 9 Oct 8 Oct 7 Oct ... 1 Oct Tests 30827 32422 -1595 32702 32521 32414 33156 33820 ... 35457 Cases 2412 2480 -68 2501 2424 2378 2392 2401 ... 2694 Positivity rate % 8.4 8.2 +0.2 8.2 8.0 7.8 7.7 7.6 ... 8.2 Deaths 19 19 0 18 18 18 18 21 ... 19 All Vaccinations 8220 8393 -173 8676 8848 9031 9138 8933 ... 6572 1st Dose 5850 6005 -155 6169 6460 6625 6682 6482 ... 3705 2nd Dose 2370 2388 -18 2507 2388 2406 2456 2451 ... 2867 All in hospital 943 953 -10 962 972 976 979 983 ... 1009 Non-ICU 885 893 -8 900 908 910 912 916 ... 935 ICU 58 60 -2 62 64 66 67 67 ... 74 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 day improvement on what looked like a possible overall rise again. Nearly everywhere appearing to improve apart from quite a leap in East Lothian. There's no pattern going on at all, which may indicate that it's going to be a long term bounce around with no overall improvement likely. Maybe this is the default level of residual virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 24 minutes ago, Victorian said: Admit errors but, more importantly, admit the repeated errors. Admit to where lessons were missed. Nowadays nobody believes that lessons will be learned because they are frequently not learned. If you admit to missed lessons then it indicates you're more switched on than a stuffed suit blathering cliches. Yip. 8 minutes ago, Victorian said: 2 day improvement on what looked like a possible overall rise again. Nearly everywhere appearing to improve apart from quite a leap in East Lothian. There's no pattern going on at all, which may indicate that it's going to be a long term bounce around with no overall improvement likely. Maybe this is the default level of residual virus. That's the Borders starting to fall again, if it continues it will be interesting if/when it starts to rise again. I do wonder if this is going to be the new normal sort of thing, infections coming in waves every few weeks/months or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Or maybe it will keep improving and we can close this thread soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 On 12/10/2021 at 11:55, Jambo-Jimbo said: Don't forget the Welsh & N. Irish as well, none of the devolved nations along with some of the scientists are coming out well in this report. It's 150 pages long and i haven't read much of it but there is no reference to any devolved nation in the conclusions and recommendations section. I'd be surprised if there were given such matters are not in the remit of the enquiry. The BBC yesterday stated It predominantly focused on the response to the pandemic in England. The committees did not look at steps taken individually by Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland. Perhaps you could show us where the devolved nations were shown as not "coming out well" in this report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 48 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Or maybe it will keep improving and we can close this thread soon 😂 no chance. There is nothing left to discuss other than political point scoring. The uk governments do not care about case numbers our positivity rate. We are living with covid, there is no going back. Some people aren’t on board with that yet and need the comfort blanket of seeing case numbers drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 hours ago, redjambo said: The latest trend stats. A welcome decline in cases and hospitalisations, but we could do without that increasing 7-day positivity rate. 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area WHO Today Yesterday 11 Oct 10 Oct 9 Oct 8 Oct 7 Oct ... 1 Oct Scotland 4 309 318 -9 320 310 305 306 308 ... 345 Stirling 4 471 478 -7 495 458 413 398 382 ... 366 West Lothian 4 441 465 -24 480 456 425 455 459 ... 504 Dundee City 4 427 437 -10 435 440 429 417 402 ... 427 Fife 4 396 408 -12 406 382 373 361 360 ... 407 Aberdeenshire 4 378 403 -25 404 380 378 379 375 ... 339 East Ayrshire 4 377 394 -17 405 414 403 411 377 ... 440 East Renfrewshire 4 376 375 +1 373 355 344 330 344 ... 354 Falkirk 4 366 379 -13 394 398 400 416 401 ... 421 North Ayrshire 4 358 342 +16 341 340 327 335 335 ... 441 North Lanarkshire 4 342 371 -29 378 367 373 373 384 ... 442 Moray 4 324 355 -31 357 379 374 383 369 ... 231 Scottish Borders 4 322 335 -13 336 317 307 308 282 ... 188 South Lanarkshire 4 313 319 -6 333 320 314 324 335 ... 382 Renfrewshire 4 309 304 +5 307 298 283 270 284 ... 371 Angus 4 304 301 +3 293 269 267 243 224 ... 234 West Dunbartonshire 4 299 310 -11 314 307 298 317 351 ... 437 Clackmannanshire 4 298 263 +35 263 253 222 226 253 ... 328 East Dunbartonshire 4 294 297 -3 312 318 314 333 356 ... 382 East Lothian 4 214 294 258 +36 246 221 219 209 199 ... 265 Perth & Kinross 4 288 295 -7 294 265 282 276 273 ... 304 Dumfries & Galloway 4 271 289 -18 308 300 301 305 307 ... 361 Inverclyde 4 257 258 -1 257 260 249 231 227 ... 365 Glasgow City 4 254 262 -8 273 275 279 287 294 ... 328 Aberdeen City 4 248 262 -14 272 267 266 259 278 ... 292 Midlothian 4 246 246 0 248 251 252 263 263 ... 327 Edinburgh City 4 244 246 -2 231 219 204 204 206 ... 238 Argyll & Bute 4 240 241 -1 239 222 224 235 238 ... 304 South Ayrshire 4 237 255 -18 245 235 223 235 265 ... 541 Highland 4 211 211 217 -6 207 199 193 193 176 ... 168 Na h-Eileanan Siar 3 125 136 -11 132 140 174 226 215 ... 234 Shetland Islands 3 109 127 -18 127 144 166 166 149 ... 70 Orkney Islands 3 98 71 +27 76 85 80 67 63 ... 85 7-day averages Today Yesterday 11 Oct 10 Oct 9 Oct 8 Oct 7 Oct ... 1 Oct Tests 30827 32422 -1595 32702 32521 32414 33156 33820 ... 35457 Cases 2412 2480 -68 2501 2424 2378 2392 2401 ... 2694 Positivity rate % 8.4 8.2 +0.2 8.2 8.0 7.8 7.7 7.6 ... 8.2 Deaths 19 19 0 18 18 18 18 21 ... 19 All Vaccinations 8220 8393 -173 8676 8848 9031 9138 8933 ... 6572 1st Dose 5850 6005 -155 6169 6460 6625 6682 6482 ... 3705 2nd Dose 2370 2388 -18 2507 2388 2406 2456 2451 ... 2867 All in hospital 943 953 -10 962 972 976 979 983 ... 1009 Non-ICU 885 893 -8 900 908 910 912 916 ... 935 ICU 58 60 -2 62 64 66 67 67 ... 74 👍🍺 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said: Or maybe it will keep improving and we can close this thread soon Shush ! That’s far too positive and optimistic , can’t have that kind of talk on this thread 🧵 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 54 minutes ago, Dazo said: 😂 no chance. There is nothing left to discuss other than political point scoring. The uk governments do not care about case numbers our positivity rate. We are living with covid, there is no going back. Some people aren’t on board with that yet and need the comfort blanket of seeing case numbers drop. Yes it’s over . I was thinking that yestetday . When I say “ over “ I mean lockdowns and their like . There would have to be some massive “ spike “in deaths or some other catastrophe to re introduce any form of restrictions / lockdowns. Unfortunately Nippoleon will keep masks / VP etc as long as she possibly can . Just to be different likesy from England 🏴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 On 12/10/2021 at 17:26, Nucky Thompson said: Has Sturgeon apologised yet for killing all those old people in care homes? They are still returning covid positive patients back into care homes, no lessons have been learned, none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 hours ago, JamesM48 said: Yes it’s over . I was thinking that yestetday . When I say “ over “ I mean lockdowns and their like . There would have to be some massive “ spike “in deaths or some other catastrophe to re introduce any form of restrictions / lockdowns. Unfortunately Nippoleon will keep masks / VP etc as long as she possibly can . Just to be different likesy from England 🏴 England will reintroduce public place mask wearing in the next 6 weeks imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said: England will reintroduce public place mask wearing in the next 6 weeks imo. Ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 4 hours ago, coconut doug said: It's 150 pages long and i haven't read much of it but there is no reference to any devolved nation in the conclusions and recommendations section. I'd be surprised if there were given such matters are not in the remit of the enquiry. The BBC yesterday stated It predominantly focused on the response to the pandemic in England. The committees did not look at steps taken individually by Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland. Perhaps you could show us where the devolved nations were shown as not "coming out well" in this report. I haven't read it either, I assumed, wrongly that it would cover the devolved nations. My mistake, I was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Dazo said: 😂 no chance. There is nothing left to discuss other than political point scoring. The uk governments do not care about case numbers our positivity rate. We are living with covid, there is no going back. Some people aren’t on board with that yet and need the comfort blanket of seeing case numbers drop. Setting aside the virtue signalling and snakey and unnecessary goading within this, there could well be a valid point. If it really is the case that case numbers cannot be lowered to any great extent and that they don't rise to any troublesome level, it will indeed become the case that the monitoring of case numbers becomes largely redundant. Good point you accidentally demonstrated. Worth a good deal more than your embarrassing attempt at point scoring. Edited October 13, 2021 by Victorian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Jambof3tornado said: England will reintroduce public place mask wearing in the next 6 weeks imo. Every chance, but I can't see many people complying this time around. 95% will be self declared exempt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: Every chance, but I can't see many people complying this time around. 95% will be self declared exempt It's already happened everywhere and it's increasingly unclear whether it's something that should be viewed as the right or wrong thing to choose. Mask wearing can't go on for years. It might contribute something now but it's probably not possible to understand it in study. It will be reinstated in mandate if things get particularly hazardous and if that is the case, it would surely be quite clear that it has become the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: That what we need to do with everyone of you post🤷🏻♂️ What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Just now, Lord BJ said: I'm missing the point, maybe through a thick moment no doubt. I'll need a hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peakybunnet Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 I think 2k cases a day in Scotland is manageable. I think giving and the take up of children 12 to 15 has created a plateau of cases But I am absolutely no doubt in my mind is that everybody else should take up the vaccine. I am getting on a bit, have asthma and a dodgy ticker. I am now on day 3 following a positive covid test. It's not been a smooth ride but touch wood I won't have severe symptoms which may have been the prognosis before my vaccines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said: Every chance, but I can't see many people complying this time around. 95% will be self declared exempt It is amazing how many 20 somethings now appear exempt from wearing a mask, including the silly moo in tesco coughing her guts up, up and down the aisles on sunday!! You are correct, compliance will be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 24 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said: It is amazing how many 20 somethings now appear exempt from wearing a mask, including the silly moo in tesco coughing her guts up, up and down the aisles on sunday!! You are correct, compliance will be an issue. “ compliance “ or people deciding enough is enough ? Making their own risk assessment ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: “ compliance “ or people deciding enough is enough ? Making their own risk assessment ? Masks have had their day tbh. It's more of a ridiculous ritual now, full of contradictions with too many exemptions. The vast majority are vaccinated and, as a nation, we need to get match fit again, in terms of boosting our immune systems again. No chance they'll be mandated in England again imo. Thankfully, they've removed the powers to lockdown so that certainly won't be an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Masks have had their day tbh. It's more of a ridiculous ritual now, full of contradictions with too many exemptions. The vast majority are vaccinated and, as a nation, we need to get match fit again, in terms of boosting our immune systems again. No chance they'll be mandated in England again imo. Thankfully, they've removed the powers to lockdown so that certainly won't be an option. Yes I think So too . Yeah people have just got used to wearing them , without actually maybe thinking do they need to ? The ending of Furlough has also been a nail in the coffin to lockdowns too , and we are Now facing the harsh reality of how lockdowns are now affecting the present economy ( austerity mark 2 on the way , increase in tax rates etc ), coupled with the shit storm of brexit it’s gonna be a harsh winter . To be honest what did people think when the economy was sacrificed with lockdowns .? It’s payback time now really . Literally . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byyy The Light Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 8 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Masks have had their day tbh. It's more of a ridiculous ritual now, full of contradictions with too many exemptions. The vast majority are vaccinated and, as a nation, we need to get match fit again, in terms of boosting our immune systems again. No chance they'll be mandated in England again imo. Thankfully, they've removed the powers to lockdown so that certainly won't be an option. Summed up by the ridiculous situation at the school gates. At my daughter’s school you have people walking to the gate, put a mask on to walk through the playground then take off when they leave through the gate at the other side. Despite the fact nowhere else in the country do you have to wear a mask outside in the open air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 10 hours ago, Lord BJ said: That what we need to do with everyone of you post, though more often than not no valid point🤷🏻♂️ Now now LBJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Seriously, what's so hard or imposing about wearing a mask going into shops, etc... Reading some posts you can see why we can deal with things like this, compared to the far east and other places who do this without patting an eyelid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: 😀 I love this does the job. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Seriously, what's so hard or imposing about wearing a mask going into shops, etc... Reading some posts you can see why we can deal with things like this, compared to the far east and other places who do this without patting an eyelid. Because this country now sadly contains loads of wee whiners who are unable to put the common good over personal comfort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 10 hours ago, Victorian said: Setting aside the virtue signalling and snakey and unnecessary goading within this, there could well be a valid point. If it really is the case that case numbers cannot be lowered to any great extent and that they don't rise to any troublesome level, it will indeed become the case that the monitoring of case numbers becomes largely redundant. Good point you accidentally demonstrated. Worth a good deal more than your embarrassing attempt at point scoring. As I’ve said repeatedly living with covid means exactly that. It will be here, there will be cases and people will die. It’s just something else in life that kills us. The constant public announcements of figures is now pointless and should be left to the government, medical and scientific community. Nothing accidental about it Vic but you knew that. That’s you doing what you do, self appointed authority on Covid and general good point making. it was neither snakey or embarrassing buddy that’s your bag. Anyway nearly 9 o’clock you best get to the shop. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 42 minutes ago, Dazo said: As I’ve said repeatedly living with covid means exactly that. It will be here, there will be cases and people will die. It’s just something else in life that kills us. The constant public announcements of figures is now pointless and should be left to the government, medical and scientific community. Nothing accidental about it Vic but you knew that. That’s you doing what you do, self appointed authority on Covid and general good point making. it was neither snakey or embarrassing buddy that’s your bag. Anyway nearly 9 o’clock you best get to the shop. 👍 Not a shop assistant, but you knew that. Snidey remarks about shop assistants only denigrates shop assistants, who are just people doing a fine job. But hey, that's just you doing your thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 56 minutes ago, Dazo said: Anyway nearly 9 o’clock you best get to the shop. Mate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, redjambo said: Because this country now sadly contains loads of wee whiners who are unable to put the common good over personal comfort. I'd say that this country has always contained huge numbers of such helmets. Coronavirus has outed them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 25 minutes ago, Victorian said: Not a shop assistant, but you knew that. Snidey remarks about shop assistants only denigrates shop assistants, who are just people doing a fine job. But hey, that's just you doing your thing. That may be your view of shop assistants don’t try and make it mine ta. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Just now, Dazo said: That may be your view of shop assistants don’t try and make it mine ta. 👍 So it's me insulting shop assistants? Sound. Sorry shop assistants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Some savagery back on this thread And some pot calling the kettle black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Taffin said: Some savagery back on this thread And some pot calling the kettle black 😂😂😂 More exciting than case numbers to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Alexa, what does contradicting yourself look like? 1 hour ago, Dazo said: it was neither snakey or embarrassing buddy that’s your bag. Anyway nearly 9 o’clock you best get to the shop. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Beni said: Alexa, what does contradicting yourself look like? You need Alexa for that ? Taffin already covered this buddy. 👍 Edited October 14, 2021 by Dazo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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