Rocky jamboa Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, Boab said: From 70p ! That was a 40% rise ! Imagine that now, Dave ! I remember the outcry when Mercer put prices up to £10 for the Bayern Munich game! However, it was probably £6 back then so almost double the price! Seems a bargain now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) This is an issue a fan owned club hopefully will actively consider. It is difficult when you can set prices at a level you can make a good income. When capacity is restricted. Where incomes are generally pretty good. If we don't have say Halkett, Walker and Naismith maybe we could charge a bit less. But excluding people is a concern. If you look at the Sticky thread - Donate Tickets for Future Jambos thread its clear a lot of people can't afford tickets and how happy these people are to get to go. Edited July 30, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getintaethem Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 4 hours ago, John Findlay said: Don't give me that shite. I make sacrifices to attend games. I'm far from a wealthy man. Not poor but far from wealthy. I plan ahead and budget ahead as I'm prepared to do that. I put the work in in advance in order I can get to games with my 11yrs old laddie. If I can do it so can many others. You may have a different perspective on it when your laddie hits his late teens and things get even more expensive. I done the same as you, Saturdays were about watching Hearts and spending quality time with my sons. Now they're a bit older but still in full time education it's got to the stage where it's not worth paying over a grand for season tickets, when a lot of the games are moved to suit TV etc, meaning we can't always go. The high walk up prices will probably mean we"lol attend even fewer games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Nookie Bear said: Is getting in for free making a sacrifice? Not when I was 8/9 years old no. It was the only way I could get to see Hearts then. I went to games on my own if no mates fancied it. I wasn't the only one either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 hours ago, PapaShango said: I'm going to take my 3 year old boy to his first game at the Ross County game, where's best to go with him, Gorgie stand? I notice they are doing a Kids Day before the game, has anyone been to one of these? Gorgie Stand Upper Z is a family stand area, full of kids and families. Designated area for them is that end, signs on back of seats saying dinnae swear cos there is kids about Great view from up there to all of the pitch and also Hearts usually play to the Gorgie end goal in the second half so better there than Roseburn I would say because it can get exciting as the game progresses, only my opinion of course. Under 13's a fiver but adult 29 so there are cheaper seats but worth it if it is first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 26 minutes ago, Boab said: From 70p ! That was a 40% rise ! Imagine that now, Dave ! Exactly. A shocker!! 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Forever Hearts said: £30 to watch Hamilton for starters. Regardless of how low the price is some would be priced out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, Stephen Muddie said: Comfortable, detached people in "what's the problem" shocker. Maybe so, but the club is effectively trying to maximise its income. That’s what businesses do. Attendances seem to flex more due to team performance as opposed to price imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Regardless of how low the price is some would be priced out. Of course. But at least give the average punter a chance of seeing his team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: Of course. But at least give the average punter a chance of seeing his team. You don’t think the average punter already does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Paulp74 said: I remember the outcry when Mercer put prices up to £10 for the Bayern Munich game! However, it was probably £6 back then so almost double the price! Seems a bargain now! £7 for the terracing if my memory is right. Remember being a bit miffed but not as miffed as shelling out 40 sheets for the Liverpool game at Tynie a few years back. A one off so took that pill but can’t do that kind of outlay on a regular basis. Probably why ST sales are decent these days. Edit: that’s £7 for normal games, had to shell out a tenner for Bayern. Edited July 30, 2019 by Boab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byyy The Light Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: Of course. But at least give the average punter a chance of seeing his team. Ive shared a season ticket last few years with a mate who’s in similar circumstances to myself and we can’t go every week. We’ve not renewed this year and are planning on walking up as often as we can. Does make you the think twice for games against Hamilton and that. I’m lucky enough to be able to afford it but catching up in the pub will def be a viable alternative at times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Muddie Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Maybe so, but the club is effectively trying to maximise its income. That’s what businesses do. Attendances seem to flex more due to team performance as opposed to price imo. Agree. Poor families would go without other stuff to go see a winning hearts team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, Stephen Muddie said: Agree. Poor families would go without other stuff to go see a winning hearts team Some always will have to unfortunately, unless you allow free entry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyowalnut Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, Byyy The Light said: Ive shared a season ticket last few years with a mate who’s in similar circumstances to myself and we can’t go every week. We’ve not renewed this year and are planning on walking up as often as we can. Does make you the think twice for games against Hamilton and that. I’m lucky enough to be able to afford it but catching up in the pub will def be a viable alternative at times A pub catch up is definitely a golden rule for the season ahead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, davemclaren said: You don’t think the average punter already does? Nope. I class myself as average and I couldn't afford those walk up prices on a regular basis, even less so if I took my two kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: Nope. I class myself as average and I couldn't afford those walk up prices on a regular basis, even less so if I took my two kids. For an adult cat B walkup a silver ticket is £22 and a bronze £20. I think an average punter could probably afford that. Less than 4 pints in George Street. 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 5 hours ago, ceefax said: For comparison it’s £23 throughout the whole stadium for walk ups for Hibs St Mirren on Saturday If that's true and I don't doubt you it pains me to say but that is more reasonable. Our dearest price is 34 quid for a game like that. PS. Don't tell me to go there then 😄😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, davemclaren said: For an adult cat B walkup a silver ticket is £22 and a bronze £20. I think an average punter could probably afford that. Less than 4 pints in George Street. 😎 When I look at the cheapest seats in lower Roseburn for an adult it is 21 quid and if you want to go upper Roseburn it is saying 29 quid for the Hamilton game. Maybe I am missing something!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky jamboa Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 46 minutes ago, Boab said: £7 for the terracing if my memory is right. Remember being a bit miffed but not as miffed as shelling out 40 sheets for the Liverpool game at Tynie a few years back. A one off so took that pill but can’t do that kind of outlay on a regular basis. Probably why ST sales are decent these days. Edit: that’s £7 for normal games, had to shell out a tenner for Bayern. I can almost stomach paying £40 for a glamour one off game v Liverpool, Spurs etc than £34 for Hamilton. (Poor Hamilton - they seem to be getting all the stick here!). A ST doesn't work for everyone, hence why attracting walk up customers is important also. Maybe introducing category C games could be a way to go for attracting fans to these less desirable games. Also, aberdeen shouldn't be a cat A game! Cat A - gers, celts, hobos Cat B - Don's, killie, motherwell, st j Cat C - Hamilton, ross co, livi and st Mirren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 22 minutes ago, davemclaren said: For an adult cat B walkup a silver ticket is £22 and a bronze £20. I think an average punter could probably afford that. Less than 4 pints in George Street. 😎 For decent seats it is overpriced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: For decent seats it is overpriced. That’s the challenge then I suppose. A good seat is always going to be more expensive than a not so good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 23 minutes ago, Robbo-Jambo said: When I look at the cheapest seats in lower Roseburn for an adult it is 21 quid and if you want to go upper Roseburn it is saying 29 quid for the Hamilton game. Maybe I am missing something!! I just googled the Hearts site so I might be out of date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 58 minutes ago, tokyowalnut said: A pub catch up is definitely a golden rule for the season ahead! I think I see what you did there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, davemclaren said: That’s the challenge then I suppose. A good seat is always going to be more expensive than a not so good one. Yes, I get that. But it doesn't have to be overpriced, and it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceefax Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 One option would be not to have 4 pricing tiers. Changing our system to 2 or maybe 3 tiers would help things. Anything over £30 in the SPFL is too much in my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceefax Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 35 minutes ago, davemclaren said: That’s the challenge then I suppose. A good seat is always going to be more expensive than a not so good one. Not in all stadiums throughout the country tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, ceefax said: Not in all stadiums throughout the country tho. In most I would imagine. That would also tend to mean the cheapest seats are more expensive. It’s all a balancing act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Robbo-Jambo said: When I look at the cheapest seats in lower Roseburn for an adult it is 21 quid and if you want to go upper Roseburn it is saying 29 quid for the Hamilton game. Maybe I am missing something!! The Hearts site is still showing last years prices. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: The Hearts site is still showing last years prices. 🙄 Ah right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky jamboa Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 Just noticed adult tickets for Aberdeen away is £24. Presume their tickets for us will be gold category so £34! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byyy The Light Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 hours ago, tokyowalnut said: A pub catch up is definitely a golden rule for the season ahead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceefax Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 58 minutes ago, Byyy The Light said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2205ian Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Paulp74 said: Just noticed adult tickets for Aberdeen away is £24. Presume their tickets for us will be gold category so £34! That's for "Uncovered" section.......£26.00 for "Covered" section & by the way, they are all "restricted view", not even worthy of comparison with Upper Roseburn. I attend most away games outwith "Category A" games & due to a few tinpot stadiums, not many can be described as good viewing seats. Sitting behind the goals is not what I term as "good" seats* & in the case of Aberdeen, stuck in a faraway corner is beyond a joke!! * Appreciate that's all that is on offer in most cases nowadays, including "away" support at Tynecastle. I have a lot of sympathy for the cost of tickets these days, but posters need to accept there are "cheaper" seats available at Tynecastle, but seem to continually quoted "Premium" prices to strengthen their case...not a dig at you Paulp, but a trend on this thread. Even the "Bronze" category tickets will be outwith the budget of many fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Paulp74 said: I can almost stomach paying £40 for a glamour one off game v Liverpool, Spurs etc than £34 for Hamilton. (Poor Hamilton - they seem to be getting all the stick here!). A ST doesn't work for everyone, hence why attracting walk up customers is important also. Maybe introducing category C games could be a way to go for attracting fans to these less desirable games. Also, aberdeen shouldn't be a cat A game! Cat A - gers, celts, hobos Cat B - Don's, killie, motherwell, st j Cat C - Hamilton, ross co, livi and st Mirren Keeping the sheep at Cat A, regardless of how it was named...Cat B+ or some shite.......when Hibs came up, was basically, a scam ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Phil Dunphy said: You probably see more gold/platinum seats available because the majority of the silver seating is taken up by season ticket holders? I know N will be different to the likes of B or C but it’s always been the same season ticket holders in there. I've had an ST in section E upper since the Wheatfield was built, it's platinum. Never many spare seats available there mostly in the end sections of Wheatfield which are not platinum so I'd argue the opposite Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 hours ago, ceefax said: One option would be not to have 4 pricing tiers. Changing our system to 2 or maybe 3 tiers would help things. Anything over £30 in the SPFL is too much in my view. Agree a simpler system is needed platinum should become gold for example. We actually have 5 tiers of pricing if you include premium in the.new main stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyowalnut Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 41 minutes ago, ceefax said: He's clearly a part timer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byyy The Light Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 54 minutes ago, ceefax said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
151 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 23 hours ago, Section Q said: What about a standard discount for FoH contributors. Like many on here I pledged from the beginning and have no plan to stop. I'm the same. £20 a month since the very beginning. Not the most but it is what I can manage without noticing. However, if i lived in/closer to Edinburgh and was going every week it would probably be at the cost of my pledge. I'm aware the club would technically make more money that way but the pledges are a budgeted income now, plus it makes you feel part of something. As it stands I usually attend Tynecastle once a month/6 weeks. And pick decent away ties to go to as home games are effectively away games for me anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Paulp74 said: I would prefer to go to a Hearts game than man c, man u etc cos I'm a Hearts fan. However, the price should reflect what's on offer. £34 to go and watch hazard, pogba, sterling, salah etc or £34 to watch players the standard of clare, uche, that thug darrion McKinnon or whatever his name is etc who cant string two passes together? It's like being charged the same to see the rolling stones and busted! If you're a Busted fan, and you like the music of Busted and couldn't give a shit about the Rolling Stones, then you'd rather go and see Busted. The "standard of football" should come way down the list of priorities IMO, number one on the list should be "caring about who wins the game". EDIT: I want to reiterate though, I do agree with you it's too expensive, £30 or whatever it is is ridiculous. Edited July 30, 2019 by Stupid Sexy Flanders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 10 hours ago, Paulp74 said: Re your last point, yes, I think most people get that but does it not concern you that these prices will turn fans away, result in lower attendances, affect the famous Tynecastle atmosphere by having 3/4 full stadiums and possibly have a long term impact on attendances as we're not hooking in young fans, who become fans for life? Surely you would like to see Tynecastle packed out every week and would be concerned at seeing dwindling crowds? FWIW, I think season tickets are too expensive as well and should also be reduced. Not all fans can make every game either, hence why picking and choosing games is the only option. We've built up a pretty solid fan base. 13k people renewing season tickets and regularly getting 17k+ home crowds (last season anyway) despite 3 poor seasons on the trot. Why would the club jeopardise that by taking the fans for granted, charging over the odds, resulting in folk walking away? I think the STs are reasonable but the walk up prices are frightening. If I didn't have my ST it would be off putting to find £38 for a match that is likely to be on TV anyway. The discounts on kids and students tickets are good but as the club wont sell to U13 without an adult also buying there is a danger that young fans could be getting turned away. It's a bit unfair to compare our prices with EPL teams though as there is so much money floating around the English scene the money they get from TV subsidises cheaper tickets. Didn't Liverpool fans not stage protests over high ticket prices not so long ago ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 My worry is that it cuts off less well off fans. Taking your wife and kids out to watch a game will put you back close to (if not over) £100 just in tickets. I think if your dad doesn't take you to the football as a kid it can make it a harder habit to build, I mean I think most fans are childhood fans and so have that emotional connection. I think its also worth pointing out that you cannot have a stadium where 90% or something ridiculous is hospitality - virtually all of the stadium is Platinum or Gold... the stadium isn't in reality all that, what is currently gold I don't feel is actually gold. I think the lack of availability of lower price points will drive away fans in the long run. Unfortunately the reality (due to Neil Doncasters inability to negotiate a fair TV deal) is that ticket sales are where Scottish clubs make the lion share of their money. https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/uploads/tinymce/FINAL SIGNED ACCOUNTS - Electronic Signature.pdf If I'm reading this correctly, gate receipts in 2018 made up nearly half our income making it the single largest income stream the club has. Its not something we can afford to **** about with. Any decreases will hurt us massively. I think if you look at other leagues (literally any league in europe which isn't looked on as piss poor) and generally speaking commercial income will substantially outweigh gate receipts. TLDR: You want cheaper tickets? Put pressure on the club to put pressure on the SPFL to negotiate more effectively. We're being robbed through incompetence, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing time and time again and expecting different results. Neil Doncaster is not capable of negotiating for us effectively and we should therefore find someone who can and will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, OTT said: My worry is that it cuts off less well off fans. Taking your wife and kids out to watch a game will put you back close to (if not over) £100 just in tickets. I think if your dad doesn't take you to the football as a kid it can make it a harder habit to build, I mean I think most fans are childhood fans and so have that emotional connection. I think its also worth pointing out that you cannot have a stadium where 90% or something ridiculous is hospitality - virtually all of the stadium is Platinum or Gold... the stadium isn't in reality all that, what is currently gold I don't feel is actually gold. I think the lack of availability of lower price points will drive away fans in the long run. Unfortunately the reality (due to Neil Doncasters inability to negotiate a fair TV deal) is that ticket sales are where Scottish clubs make the lion share of their money. https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/uploads/tinymce/FINAL SIGNED ACCOUNTS - Electronic Signature.pdf If I'm reading this correctly, gate receipts in 2018 made up nearly half our income making it the single largest income stream the club has. Its not something we can afford to **** about with. Any decreases will hurt us massively. I think if you look at other leagues (literally any league in europe which isn't looked on as piss poor) and generally speaking commercial income will substantially outweigh gate receipts. TLDR: You want cheaper tickets? Put pressure on the club to put pressure on the SPFL to negotiate more effectively. We're being robbed through incompetence, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing time and time again and expecting different results. Neil Doncaster is not capable of negotiating for us effectively and we should therefore find someone who can and will. Yes I agree with you especially the bit about families not being able to afford to take their kids. We are supposed to be family friendly yet are pricing them out the club. What's the point of having dirt cheap tickets for kids if their parents can't afford to go along with them ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byyy The Light Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, luckydug said: Yes I agree with you especially the bit about families not being able to afford to take their kids. We are supposed to be family friendly yet are pricing them out the club. What's the point of having dirt cheap tickets for kids if their parents can't afford to go along with them ? Cat B family season tickets are the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 I’m not sure those prices deter just the fans with less money. It also deters those who have spare cash but also want value for money and they will weigh up £30+ with either watching the game on the box or just spending it on something else. Put it this way, although it’s difficukt to quantify prices like this will never encourage new fans to come along and nor will they encourage lapsed or part-timers to do the same. It will, however, definitely encourage people to find something else to spend their money on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 ...and another thing, it would be interesting to see the demographic of football supports these days. I would guess that the age group we see less of is the 16-25 group, where you have to pay full price but do not have the spare cash to commit every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Byyy The Light said: Cat B family season tickets are the answer Spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 15 hours ago, ceefax said: One option would be not to have 4 pricing tiers. Changing our system to 2 or maybe 3 tiers would help things. Anything over £30 in the SPFL is too much in my view. I wonder if any other club in Scotland has 4 pricing tiers apart from the 2 arse cheeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceefax Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 35 minutes ago, Robbo-Jambo said: I wonder if any other club in Scotland has 4 pricing tiers apart from the 2 arse cheeks? As another poster mentioned, we actually have 5 tiers if you include the premium section in the Main Stand! Either the amount of tiers need restructured or the pricing does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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