The Gorgie Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Lothian like to throw the words "professional driver" at you when you make a mistake. It covers them and you get your pants pulled down. We shouldn't be making mistakes, we are after all just robots to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) I was offered ticket to this, wish I had taken them as it may be rather topical Gilded Balloon at the Museum, Award-winning LBC radio presenter, CNN political commentator and For the Many podcast host brings his acclaimed, incisive insight on current affairs to the Fringe for the first time. Iain interviews a different high-profile guest each day and audience members are invited to put questions to them. Thursday 01 August 6pm - Guest Len McCluskey (General Secretary of UNITE the union) Edit - guest may have changed since I was offered them on Saturday as Iain Dale's website now says its Thursday 1 August - Johnny Mercer MP Edited July 30, 2019 by The Frenchman Returns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: Must be a LothianCountry thing This guy sliced the roof off at the Western General by taking the wrong road Green buses are unlucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, TheStig said: Lothian like to throw the words "professional driver" at you when you make a mistake. It covers them and you get your pants pulled down. We shouldn't be making mistakes, we are after all just robots to them. Surely if driving is your profession which you are paid for then you are by definition a "professional driver"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 So no one is caught short, LRT have upped the Airlink fares from the Maybury into town Single fares between Maybury and the City Centre will also be revised to; Adult £2.50, Child £1.50 & Young Person Concession £1.65. A grace period for £1.70 Adult Single m-tickets will apply on this service until 31 August 2019. There are no changes to the validity of any other fares or tickets. Regular city customers who travel on this corridor are encouraged to used Lothian services 12, 26, 31 or Lothian Country services X17 or X18, all of which accept regular Lothian Buses fares & tickets from Maybury. Now cheaper to get a tram from the Gyle/Gateway than the 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixie Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Striking and impacting the normal man getting into work is not the answer. Sack anyone who strikes, they are putting lots of people at risk and thinking of no one but themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 30 minutes ago, Nixie said: Striking and impacting the normal man getting into work is not the answer. Sack anyone who strikes, they are putting lots of people at risk and thinking of no one but themselves. Dry your eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Izemore Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 28 minutes ago, Nixie said: Striking and impacting the normal man getting into work is not the answer. Sack anyone who strikes, they are putting lots of people at risk and thinking of no one but themselves. Thankfully, workers have the right to withdraw their labour as a last resort if they feel it’s the only way to bring management to the table. It’s not done lightly and will likely cause hardship to those taking action. I’d suggest that the drivers are at ‘risk’ as much as passengers who may have to make alternative arrangements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, Les Izemore said: Thankfully, workers have the right to withdraw their labour as a last resort if they feel it’s the only way to bring management to the table. It’s not done lightly and will likely cause hardship to those taking action. I’d suggest that the drivers are at ‘risk’ as much as passengers who may have to make alternative arrangements. This isn't really a last resort though is it? There are so many mixed messages from the workers and a lack of specific grievance examples its hard to have any sympathy with them while they **** over the working public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gorgie Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, frankblack said: Surely if driving is your profession which you are paid for then you are by definition a "professional driver"? Yes obviously but they use it in a way as if that means you should never make a mistake. I mean you must be gods gift if you never make a mistake at your work. Edited July 31, 2019 by TheStig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Izemore Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, frankblack said: This isn't really a last resort though is it? There are so many mixed messages from the workers and a lack of specific grievance examples its hard to have any sympathy with them while they **** over the working public. I agree that their grievances lack a focus but surely you’d agree that there must be a huge level of frustration and anger to take such action. They’re not losing wages for a few days off and to get their jollies. I’d also point out that they’re part of the ‘working public’ you mentioned. I’m guessing you’ve never been on strike? I have and it’s certainly no holiday. I struggled to pay my bills but stuck it out as I believed in what we were arguing for. Sometimes you need to stand up for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, frankblack said: This isn't really a last resort though is it? There are so many mixed messages from the workers and a lack of specific grievance examples its hard to have any sympathy with them while they **** over the working public. The walk to work will do you good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 37 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: The walk to work will do you good. I thought he used his bike anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 41 minutes ago, Les Izemore said: I agree that their grievances lack a focus but surely you’d agree that there must be a huge level of frustration and anger to take such action. They’re not losing wages for a few days off and to get their jollies. I have been in shitty situations where redundancy was hanging over you almost constantly and your office is a satellite to the bigger ones down south so you were powerless to change anything. 41 minutes ago, Les Izemore said: I’d also point out that they’re part of the ‘working public’ you mentioned. They are forcing others to suffer penalties at work for lateness or non attendance. 41 minutes ago, Les Izemore said: I’m guessing you’ve never been on strike? I have and it’s certainly no holiday. I struggled to pay my bills but stuck it out as I believed in what we were arguing for. Sometimes you need to stand up for yourself. Nope. Have always worked in IT and few employers - particularly small companies will touch you if you are in a union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Nixie said: Striking and impacting the normal man getting into work is not the answer. Sack anyone who strikes, they are putting lots of people at risk and thinking of no one but themselves. Sack anyone who strikes ? Are you Richard Hall in disguise ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 39 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: The walk to work will do you good. That is a selfish attitude and doesn't comfort those that have disabilities or depend on carers for home help. How do carers make visits where cars aren't provided? 1 minute ago, Maroon Sailor said: I thought he used his bike anyway Thats a bit random. I do drive but can't park in the city centre as no parking is available for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, frankblack said: That is a selfish attitude and doesn't comfort those that have disabilities or depend on carers for home help. How do carers make visits where cars aren't provided? Thats a bit random. I do drive but can't park in the city centre as no parking is available for us. Always thought you were in the cyclists camp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, frankblack said: They are forcing others to suffer penalties at work for lateness or non attendance. So your work haven't made any contingencies for the workforce in light of the proposed strike action? 9 minutes ago, frankblack said: Nope. Have always worked in IT and few employers - particularly small companies will touch you if you are in a union. Maybe shows why unions are a good thing? But, if you want to "trade in your hours for a handful of dimes", then you knew the risks when you took their silver. Also remember that a lot of what is taken for granted now is down to Trade Unions and the collective action taken by workers to protect their livelihoods. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/15/trade-union-bill-9-things-theyve-done-that-have-change-work-for-us-all_n_8141778.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABoKCs2K-VOOC_kFaq0TvvGrtcDUvpmt9pH3EOfahItx5h06PYr2MdYK1GoIMDe1NIHwbfHt1k_xi-tMHdVnAkThaZJphvdtJzTFCIO1XoE8-qb9wJ-v8qLUvv2TrLzf_IzO2BLtKfynkuAPUXrGkycBH9LhevB1UTjG4CYyLUZ9#gallery/5d014131e4b058ab9a31380a/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, frankblack said: That is a selfish attitude and doesn't comfort those that have disabilities or depend on carers for home help. How do carers make visits where cars aren't provided? Thats a bit random. I do drive but can't park in the city centre as no parking is available for us. It’s surprising how resolute people are when these situations arise. They deal with it accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, The Real Maroonblood said: It’s surprising how resolute people are when these situations arise. They deal with it accordingly. Exactly. Walk, cycle, pay for on street parking, take a taxi, get the wife to drive you in.... The strike wont last long hopefullu and every working class person should get behind these drivers as they are setting an example to all employers that you shouldn't screw the work force that keeps THEM in a job. Frank seems like he'd walk right past the picket line and scab his nose right up his bosses arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, AlimOzturk said: Exactly. Walk, cycle, pay for on street parking, take a taxi, get the wife to drive you in.... So, a 6 hour round trip walking, £30 taxi, god knows how much to park in town in addition to petrol. You don't have a clue and sound like a relic from the 1980s. What happens to the disabled and those needing carers to get to them? 2 hours ago, AlimOzturk said: The strike wont last long hopefullu and every working class person should get behind these drivers as they are setting an example to all employers that you shouldn't screw the work force that keeps THEM in a job. Not one working person I know affected supports the drivers. They are selfish and have a deeply unfocused campaign. 2 hours ago, AlimOzturk said: Frank seems like he'd walk right past the picket line and scab his nose right up his bosses arse. I have never been in a union and joining one would make me unemployable or have to join a unionised organisation that pays less than half my salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, frankblack said: So, a 6 hour round trip walking, £30 taxi, god knows how much to park in town in addition to petrol. You don't have a clue and sound like a relic from the 1980s. What happens to the disabled and those needing carers to get to them? Not one working person I know affected supports the drivers. They are selfish and have a deeply unfocused campaign. I have never been in a union and joining one would make me unemployable or have to join a unionised organisation that pays less than half my salary. On Friday morning can I bath in your tears? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 25 minutes ago, frankblack said: So, a 6 hour round trip walking, £30 taxi, god knows how much to park in town in addition to petrol. You don't have a clue and sound like a relic from the 1980s. Your work sounds really sensitive to the needs of its employees. has the matter even bee raised? 25 minutes ago, frankblack said: What happens to the disabled and those needing carers to get to them? I'm sure those that require carers will have alternatives in place? 25 minutes ago, frankblack said: Not one working person I know affected supports the drivers. They are selfish and have a deeply unfocused campaign. Loads that I know do. 25 minutes ago, frankblack said: I have never been in a union and joining one would make me unemployable or have to join a unionised organisation that pays less than half my salary. So? Your experience of shan employers doesn't mean unions are bad. You called a previous poster a "relic from the 80's". Ironically, you sound like one yourself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 39 minutes ago, Herbert said: On Friday morning can I bath in your tears? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 45 minutes ago, frankblack said: So, a 6 hour round trip walking, £30 taxi, god knows how much to park in town in addition to petrol. You don't have a clue and sound like a relic from the 1980s. What happens to the disabled and those needing carers to get to them? Not one working person I know affected supports the drivers. They are selfish and have a deeply unfocused campaign. I have never been in a union and joining one would make me unemployable or have to join a unionised organisation that pays less than half my salary. You sound like my late mother in law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: You sound like my late mother in law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 We choose to sell our Labour and we can withdraw our Labour too. Totalitarian regimes and systems that use slavery deny this basic right. It would appear that some tossers on JKB would like this type of scenario. In addition, It is illegal to dismiss you or treat you unfavourably because you are a Trade Union member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) Anyway looks like the strike is off. edit. Not sure now. Evening News saying its off but the Scotsman the opposite???/ Edited July 31, 2019 by Notts1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Notts1874 said: Anyway looks like the strike is off. edit. Not sure now. Evening News saying its off but the Scotsman the opposite???/ https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/traffic-and-travel/edinburgh-lothian-bus-strike-set-to-be-called-off-1-4974438 Edited July 31, 2019 by Chester™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, Boris said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) It's been postponed Frank can start moaning about buses being late, overcrowded, boiling hot etc .... Edited July 31, 2019 by Maroon Sailor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Poseidon Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) The twitter statement seems to suggest talks have been held and Unite will be going back to members to recommend acceptance again. So Friday has been suspended but they may still strike at a later date if the deal isn't agreed? Is that about the gist of it? Edited July 31, 2019 by Poseidon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Poseidon said: The twitter statement seems to suggest talks have been held and Unite will be going back to members to recommend acceptance again. So Friday has been suspended but they may still strike at a later date if the deal isn't agreed? Is that about the gist of it? That's how I read the statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gorgie Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 No pay rise in this offer. That should put it to bed about it being about money. Having seen whats proposed i think it will be accepted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambothump Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 The bosses will wait till after the festival, then carry on their bullying tactics. I worked 7 seasons as a tour guide on their buses and saw first hand their practices. I'd hate to have been in the position I needed the job, it starts at the top and filters all the way down. One of the ticket sellers , was spat in the face by a tourist, in full view of the bridge manager who did nothing, well, she was expendable ? The so called managers in the main hated the guides, realising the majority of the guides were educated people. Their idea of management was to run to a senior manager reporting any indiscretion, rather than managing in a non-confrontational way. Good service, crap company to work for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Maroon Sailor said: It's been postponed Frank can start moaning about buses being late, overcrowded, boiling hot etc .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, TheStig said: No pay rise in this offer. That should put it to bed about it being about money. Having seen whats proposed i think it will be accepted. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Maroon Sailor said: The union wanted the last deal to be accepted and without knowing what is in this offer it sounds like the union has backed down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 "Concessions" All sounds a bit Theresa May and the "concessions" she got regarding the back stop. Did unite consult its members before cancelling the strikes or did they just assume that its members would accept this deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gorgie Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 17 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: "Concessions" All sounds a bit Theresa May and the "concessions" she got regarding the back stop. Did unite consult its members before cancelling the strikes or did they just assume that its members would accept this deal? I found out through Facebook and the EEN 🤷 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, AlimOzturk said: "Concessions" All sounds a bit Theresa May and the "concessions" she got regarding the back stop. Did unite consult its members before cancelling the strikes or did they just assume that its members would accept this deal? It just fits with the complete shambles this strike was from start to finish. I have never ever heard of a more disorganised strike completely lacking in focus. Glad to see some of the commies on here showing their colours. I look forward to a normal Friday. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, frankblack said: It just fits with the complete shambles this strike was from start to finish. I have never ever heard of a more disorganised strike completely lacking in focus. Glad to see some of the commies on here showing their colours. I look forward to a normal Friday. 👍 Commies From someone who would take it dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Commies From someone who would take it dry. More personal abuse from you, but not really surprised as you don't take losing well, and lose frequently. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexton Hardcastle Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Shitebags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, frankblack said: It just fits with the complete shambles this strike was from start to finish. I have never ever heard of a more disorganised strike completely lacking in focus. Glad to see some of the commies on here showing their colours. I look forward to a normal Friday. 👍 Commies You are clearly an extremely obsequious person. I hope you never have to suffer any sort of bullying or harassment at work. Then again, a subservient person like you might actually enjoy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, frankblack said: More personal abuse from you, but not really surprised as you don't take losing well, and lose frequently. 👍 You sound bitter that the strike has been postponed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Herbert said: The union wanted the last deal to be accepted and without knowing what is in this offer it sounds like the union has backed down. that is strange as it is unite who IMO are one of the most militant unions and seem to want to strike for everything. The fact that they advised their members to accept the first deal makes me feel like whoever is in charge does not have their members best interests at heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 20 hours ago, The Frenchman Returns said: I was offered ticket to this, wish I had taken them as it may be rather topical Gilded Balloon at the Museum, Award-winning LBC radio presenter, CNN political commentator and For the Many podcast host brings his acclaimed, incisive insight on current affairs to the Fringe for the first time. Iain interviews a different high-profile guest each day and audience members are invited to put questions to them. Thursday 01 August 6pm - Guest Len McCluskey (General Secretary of UNITE the union) Edit - guest may have changed since I was offered them on Saturday as Iain Dale's website now says its Thursday 1 August - Johnny Mercer MP Both Ian Dale is doing extra shows So tomorrow Johnny Mercer is 4pm and Len McCluskey is 6pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinKyle10 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) Top trolling. Edited July 31, 2019 by KevinKyle10 Cannot be bothered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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