I.T.K Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 150k on the table I would expect Naismith to be careful not to do anything that the Norwich Lawyers could use against him. Training with the club to keep his fitness up is one thing. But going on a preseason tour and playing matches could be argued that he signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 We should sign him as an amateur for a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, I.T.K said: 150k on the table I would expect Naismith to be careful not to do anything that the Norwich Lawyers could use against him. Training with the club to keep his fitness up is one thing. But going on a preseason tour and playing matches could be argued that he signed. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restonbabe Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, DH1986 said: We should sign him as an amateur for a month. Now that is a shout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectormasson Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 22 minutes ago, I.T.K said: 150k on the table I would expect Naismith to be careful not to do anything that the Norwich Lawyers could use against him. Training with the club to keep his fitness up is one thing. But going on a preseason tour and playing matches could be argued that he signed. Very sensible,and the fact we want him raring to go in league cup games ,,no rush,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick witter Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Just a thought. What if he doesn’t sign? Do we have a plan B? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, rick witter said: Just a thought. What if he doesn’t sign? Do we have a plan B? No, plan A will do. He will sign but expect you know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 29 minutes ago, DH1986 said: We should sign him as an amateur for a month. But he's not an amateur and Norwich's lawyers could argue that he's signed for a club during the 13th month period. It's probably a legal grey area and not worth the potential fight for him. He's training with us and has indicated that he will be signing. That's good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 If he can’t sign until his Norwich contract runs out we couldn’t sign him as a pro or an amateur surely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 minute ago, The White Cockade said: If he can’t sign until his Norwich contract runs out we couldn’t sign him as a pro or an amateur surely His contract has already expired. The issue is with the '13th month' compensation pay out. This is basically a holdover payment common in English contracts whereby the club will make a final payment 1 month after a contract has expired as long as the player has not signed for another club as a free agent. It's aimed at players on smaller type contract where by no pay could represent hardship for the player but in Naismiths case it's an extra £150k or thereabouts so not a small amount of cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said: But he's not an amateur and Norwich's lawyers could argue that he's signed for a club during the 13th month period. It's probably a legal grey area and not worth the potential fight for him. He's training with us and has indicated that he will be signing. That's good enough for me. Very much this There will be valid reasons and most probably to do with his Norwich Contract and financial recompense due which means that we haven’t announced him signing There is no conspiracy theory attached and feeling very comfortable that there is nothing to get upset about here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Naismith obviously is right to wait for that kind of money. He is not a daft young lad though. His fitness levels will be high and he is the type of player who doesn't necessarily need pre season games. After his first injury last season IIRC he was back in the team without any reserve games etc. This is all dependent on his last injury being completely cleared up though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 35 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said: But he's not an amateur and Norwich's lawyers could argue that he's signed for a club during the 13th month period. It's probably a legal grey area and not worth the potential fight for him. He's training with us and has indicated that he will be signing. That's good enough for me. He can be an amateur if he wants to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 150k means more to him than taking on United, Cowden, Stenny and East Fife eh. Imagine that. Charlatan. Probably talking to Rangers as we speak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Sir Gio said: 150k means more to him than taking on United, Cowden, Stenny and East Fife eh. Imagine that. Charlatan. Probably talking to Rangers as we speak Taking a risk Might not get back in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 20 minutes ago, DH1986 said: He can be an amateur if he wants to be. Maybe but the argument still stands as to the legal interpretation of his status as a free, unsigned agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 3 hours ago, jonnothejambo said: There will not be an official signing until next month, for the reason stated countless times on this thread. I'm not buying this financial clause story. This is a smokescreen, of what I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie1874 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, ericb said: I'm not buying this financial clause story. This is a smokescreen, of what I'm not sure. Its not. It’s Naismith looking out for himself and getting the value of his contract. The only thing that would have changed it was European qualification and losing the final cost us that. just need to sit back and wait until he is happy to sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 21 minutes ago, ericb said: I'm not buying this financial clause story. This is a smokescreen, of what I'm not sure. It really isn't . No smokescreens just the pay off clause in his contract. He will be a Hearts player before the Aberdeen game. Time to chill about all these theories etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Has this type of clause come up before, if so I dont remember it? Also is it the club that pays it or the league? Just hope he stays injury free for as long as possible this season. Huge player and leader for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, ericb said: I'm not buying this financial clause story. This is a smokescreen, of what I'm not sure. Raymond Reddington will know Edited July 1, 2019 by Sir Gio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieholt Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 4 hours ago, DH1986 said: We should sign him as an amateur for a month. If the existing deal says £150k provided he doesn't sign for another club it would make no difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 hours ago, ericb said: I'm not buying this financial clause story. This is a smokescreen, of what I'm not sure. I think the same to be honest. He's injury prone and we've just brought in Connor Washington. That's the game, ofcourse I'd be happy to be wrong as when fit we all know what he brings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 hours ago, ericb said: I'm not buying this financial clause story. This is a smokescreen, of what I'm not sure. https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/steven-naismiths-move-hearts-happen-16346342 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavman81 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 I appreciate that Hearts and indeed Naismith appear relatively calm about this but the longer it goes on the more you start to worry - just a wee bit. A smidgen if you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 hours ago, wavydavy said: https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/steven-naismiths-move-hearts-happen-16346342 The fact it's on this website doesn't make it 100% true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Imagine if he's not available for Stenny. Makes you shudder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) Here's a little note from a Bristol City signing..not too diff't from the position we find ourselves in "I think that sometimes semantics of contractual situations can be key, in terms of the intricacies of an individual contract and bonuses to be paid and loyalties and players running out of contract and if you announce stuff too early you have to pay the extra wages when the contract actually finishes July 1," explained Johnson on Fixtures Release Day. Edited July 1, 2019 by CJGJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyK82 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Sir Gio said: Raymond Reddington will know ? ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 8 hours ago, ericb said: I'm not buying this financial clause story. This is a smokescreen, of what I'm not sure. You're on the wrong club's forum, you ought to be on Flat Earth FC's forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 3 hours ago, ericb said: The fact it's on this website doesn't make it 100% true Believe what you want. Just trying to give info that's out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Slim Stylee Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 12 hours ago, To Be Frank said: Apart from the risk of a serious injury ....and the fact he can’t be arsed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenNaismith Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 On 16/06/2019 at 16:45, dazajmbo said: I'm told the contract is on the desk dated the 2nd July and has already got the signatures required. Roll on tomorrow.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Is it not the case that if he does sign on with us tomorrow he is giving up the payment due to him for the period from the end of his Norwich City contract, Sunday 30 June until 4 weeks after that date. I know there has been some confusion on here, and I include myself in that arena of being confused. I originally thought he was able to sign on 4 weeks after his loan deal ended but I've since read on here and heard elsewhere that he has to be unattached for a period of 4 weeks from the actual end of his Norwich City contract for the additional 1 month payment to kick in. Would be delighted if he were with us from tomorrow but it does seem to remain a bit unclear at the moment (not that he will join us but when). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCJamTart Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 I am rather confused! I thought it had been assumed he would sign up on 1st July. He has made all the right noises..but now silence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought Police Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, MCJamTart said: I am rather confused! I thought it had been assumed he would sign up on 1st July. He has made all the right noises..but now silence He needs to be a free agent throughout July. This has been covered so many times. He can hardly say “I’m waiting to sign for Hearts so I can get one final payout.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCJamTart Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Ah ok. It's 1 August then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENE Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Why would a club contract a player till the end of June. Season finishes at end of May thought most contracts finished around then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, RENE said: Why would a club contract a player till the end of June. Season finishes at end of May thought most contracts finished around then. Remember players can negotiate during contract talks so its not all about what suits the clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 hour ago, RENE said: Why would a club contract a player till the end of June. Season finishes at end of May thought most contracts finished around then. I think most contracts in EFL are to 30 June. Don't know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 The guy in my mirror agrees with me that if the £150,000 is in any way a stumbling block, we should pay. Signing a player of that calibre for that amount makes complete sense to us. If it's not a stumbling block then no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 @dazajmbo stated some weeks ago the contract was complete, sitting on desk ready to sign and dated the 2nd July. Guess we’ll find out soon if he’s correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenNaismith Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Whatever said: @dazajmbo stated some weeks ago the contract was complete, sitting on desk ready to sign and dated the 2nd July. Guess we’ll find out soon if he’s correct. Surprisingly, he’s not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, StevenNaismith said: Surprisingly, he’s not. You're as bad as him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenNaismith Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 22 minutes ago, ri Alban said: You're as bad as him. Course I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazajmbo Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Here we go again. Let's all jump on the hate daz bandwagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenks Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, dazajmbo said: Here we go again. Let's all jump on the hate daz bandwagon. If it's any consolation pal , I'm happy with your side of things and always have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, dazajmbo said: Here we go again. Let's all jump on the hate daz bandwagon. You only pass on what you are told. And things often change for a variety of reasons, and you may not be told about them changing. p.s some weather in Ullapool last weekend (well Friday anyway) Edited July 2, 2019 by SUTOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, dazajmbo said: Here we go again. Let's all jump on the hate daz bandwagon. Nah you're fine by me mate, unless you're Craig Levein himself no one could reasonably expect every word you hear to be gospel or every rumoured signing to come off. You pass on what you're told, I'm glad of it. You've had enough right to tell me you're gen, and enough wrong to convince me you aren't actually Levein himself after all. Edited July 2, 2019 by Smithee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazajmbo Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 33 minutes ago, SUTOL said: p.s some weather in Ullapool last weekend (well Friday anyway) Heading there later on today, haven't been up for months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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