Don Dan Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Won’t matter now as he is of playing golf and hanging around dodgy night clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Kalamazoo Jambo said: I just wish there had been some motivation to my guess other than "wanting to be different". If Trump were still on Twitter, I would have been interested to see what his reaction was, but his removal from the platform has almost effectively silenced him, for the moment anyway. The next move is probably his... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 26 minutes ago, Kalamazoo Jambo said: 57-43 final vote. Trump acquitted as a guilty verdict needed 67, nonetheless 7 Republicans voting with Democrats was significant. So...lose the popular vote but still win. Sure I've heard that before somewhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 You should listen to Republican leader Mitch McConnell's speech following the vote. He voted to acquit, but proceeded to rip into Trump's conduct. His reason for voting to acquit is simply that Trump is no longer the president. I thought that argument had been debunked by multiple legal scholars including many republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 "Our historic, patriotic and beautiful movement to Make America Great Again has only just begun. In the months ahead, I have much to share with you, and I look forward to continuing our incredible journey together to achieve American greatness for all of our people. There has never been anything like it" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 26 minutes ago, redjambo said: If Trump were still on Twitter, I would have been interested to see what his reaction was, but his removal from the platform has almost effectively silenced him, for the moment anyway. The next move is probably his... He would claim an landslide victory in the Senate, just like on November 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Dare we say "Beer Hall Putsch"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: You should listen to Republican leader Mitch McConnell's speech following the vote. He voted to acquit, but proceeded to rip into Trump's conduct. His reason for voting to acquit is simply that Trump is no longer the president. I thought that argument had been debunked by multiple legal scholars including many republicans. He's just another coward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalamazoo Jambo Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: You should listen to Republican leader Mitch McConnell's speech following the vote. He voted to acquit, but proceeded to rip into Trump's conduct. His reason for voting to acquit is simply that Trump is no longer the president. I thought that argument had been debunked by multiple legal scholars including many republicans. He could have also agreed to have the trial before Trump left office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 The Senate had a vote a week or so ago which confirmed that it was constitutional for Trump to be convicted after he had left office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Kalamazoo Jambo said: He could have also agreed to have the trial before Trump left office. It took him over a month to acknowledge Biden's victory. Says it all about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 So do we get to move on from the Trump and Democrat show and see what Biden can do to reunite a divided country now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sadj Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Barack said: Brilliant. Procedural motions allowing Mitch to block things in Senate business still, allowed by Democrat failings under Obama and strengthened under Trump, gives you exactly what you get. Seymour was also correct. A Circus show, shown up (despite its obvious merits) for what it is. Nothing will change under Biden. Patently obvious, given the first hurdle has been smashed into head first. What a pity for millions of Americans. I have taken this post under advisabledeness from my associate law professor blokey from the USA who is up on said matters and he says Pres has this spot on amongst other posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Let's see if the court system goes after Trump for his alleged crimes, which McConnell says is on the table. I'll believe it when I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Footballfirst said: There we have it Let the carnage begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 For those not on Twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Footballfirst said: For those not on Twitter What a lot of pish. Sadly the neanderthals will lap it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Barack said: Doubt it. There are a lot of long words and correct sentences. They'll see Make America Great Again. But skip over the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Peak democracy is 43% of the Senate, representing 30% of the population, acquitting a president who was elected with 46% of the vote. 46% of the vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Justin Z said: Peak democracy is 43% of the Senate, representing 30% of the population, acquitting a president who was elected with 46% of the vote. 46% of the vote. Laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Real Maroonblood Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Justin Z said: Exactly the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Exactly the point. Yeah. Gravel Institute spitting fire tonight, but something so simple could never possibly happen under the Dems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamborich Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Good point made at the end if Donald Trump still had 2 years to run would he have been convicted I say yes, the fact he is no longer president made it easier to dismiss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Justin Z said: Yeah. Gravel Institute spitting fire tonight, but something so simple could never possibly happen under the Dems. I hope it does work out. The Americans need some stability after 4 years of him in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 McConnell is a joke. I don't get the man at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamborich Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 One thing I look forward to is vice president Mike Pence reaction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Boy Named Crow Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Something I'd like to know, maybe someone on here can help, is what's the rough split of the 76 million people who voted Trump, between traditional Republicans and the swivel eyes Trumpists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Today was not the end today was the beginning. Trump in that Twitter feed is just carrying on appealing to the people he knows will follow him. sadly for me my former profession, at least those in the United States will act for him for job security that after the Floyd incident and police actions were in danger of being defunded with responsibilities being funded elsewhere. He has been given free rein to say what he wants, direct what he wants , and will sometime in less than four years probably reasonably sooner institute his actions of threat, violence, and anarchy to become the non elected but chosen President for life. Sounds like a script for a fantasy movie, but I honestly feel and believe every word I have said. In the past the situation was ruled by people wearing brown shirts, the police and courts became part of the plan, violence cruelty and weak politicians all contributing to the ultimate success. What part of the predictions and history do you see that haven't before existed. The similarities are frightening, the two men one ridiculed because of a funny hair style and a funny wee moustache, who stood and spouted what he would do for the Country, the other a funny big man, with a funny hairstyle, who states what he will do for the Country, his first move build a wall, to keep people out, say that another Country will pay for it but that doesn't happen. Camps, oh we have heard of those before for people seeking asylum, well camp staff and border policing and the wall all create jobs, so a promise made is a promise kept. There are lots of similes but enough is enough. So what is the protection offered to Americans, an elderly gentleman who took almost thirty years of trying to get the job he now has, a nice guy, but he just doesn't for me have the pizazz that is required to overcome the bad odor left in the White House by his predecessor, my opinion for which I would be lucky to get a nickel for is that he was seen by the Party the ideal mentor for a younger woman of mixed racial background to become the first person of that description to become President of the United States, and I again opine that would be in the 2024 election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalamazoo Jambo Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 In other news, Deputy White House Press Secretary TJ Ducklo has resigned after some pretty shocking misogynistic / threatening behavior towards Politico reporter Tara Palmeri. The initial White House response had been poor, IMO (one week suspension and told not to work with Politico, and this only after news of the incident became public). Especially so after Biden had made it clear that inappropriate behaviour from anyone on his team should lead to firing. But the kicker is that Ducklo has stage 4 cancer so I’m guessing continuation of health insurance coverage was on people’s minds (yay America). Anyway, ultimately he had to go, just wish it had been handled better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Barack said: Think it's about 7 out of 10 still approved of Trump, after the Capitol attack. The utter looney tunes, are probably in the low hundreds of thousands. It's over 8 out of 10, unfortunately. And oh man, I wish only low hundreds of thousands—nah, several million, if not in the tens: Though Trump has reportedly abandoned his threat to establish a third-party “Patriot Party” to challenge Republicans, 30% of Republican voters and 35% of Trump voters said they’d be open to joining the party if he did start it. 5 hours ago, Barack said: Trumpism in one form or another, will be on the ticket in 2024. Could be Hawley or Cruz desperately trying to pull some back. (Can't see it mind.)Just depends in what manner, if any State DA and Court goes after him and his offspring. First up: SDNY & Letitia James. Calling it now, whatever form of Trumpism is on the presidential ballot in 2024, Kamala Harris will lose to it, and liberals will blame Bernie Bros. There's a reason liberals have been historically referred to as fascism enablers. Edited February 14, 2021 by Justin Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 And people think the justice system is fair. It's a Slam dunk he's guilty, how many people innocent and guilty have had the wrong result due to the people sitting in the seats of the jury and judge. Pathetic and at least Russia and China don't even try to convince the world they play fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck berrys hairline Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 The Republicans should let Candace Owens run next time. The Dems would have nothing on her would be glorious seeing them scuttling around confused. A strong BLACK woman who stands her ground. Not flip floppy like xxxxxx Harris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) It's been mentioned many times about the similarities between Trump et al and the rise of Hitler & the Nazi's in 30's Germany. Well there's more similarities than even I'd thought. In light of yesterday's events in the senate, Trump & Hitler were both charged with insurrection, although Hitler was convicted & jailed for it. When Hitler became chancellor he said that he wouldn't take a salary and would donate it all to charity, Trump did the same. Hitler was a tax dodger, filing only one tax return in all the years he was chancellor, in fact he changed the law to make himself exempt from taxes, Trump as everybody knows is also no stranger to the lack of submitting tax returns or indeed paying tax. My fear is that this aquital is only going to embolden Trump all the more, he now knows that he can get away with trying to overthrow the government, he and many others will be much better prepared the next time they try this, they won't make the same mistakes again. Edited February 14, 2021 by Jambo-Jimbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, chuck berrys hairline said: The Republicans should let Candace Owens run next time. The Dems would have nothing on her would be glorious seeing them scuttling around confused. A strong BLACK woman who stands her ground. Not flip floppy like [redacted] Harris Every Receipt Proving Candace Owens Is A Con Artist Who Is Following The Money I think my favourite “flip-flop” of Owens is calling the NAACP “one of the worst groups for Black people” even though she used them to win a racial discrimination lawsuit over a dozen years ago. The Connecticut NAACP president that helped on the case said, “It’s the same type of thing Clarence Thomas did. He reaped all the benefits of affirmative action and then tried to roll over on it. It’s that kind of mentality and disrespect.” Within only a few years, Owens had two failed internet projects, didn’t pay rent and then somehow became a conservative, landing a job at Turning Point USA. She is now known for outlandish language. She said Hitler only wanted to make Germany “great again.” After the horrific mail bombs sent to Democrats back in October, she tweeted then deleted, “I’m going to go ahead and state that there is a 0% chance that these ‘suspicious packages’ were sent out by conservatives. The only thing ‘suspicious’ about these packages is their timing. Caravans, fake bomb threats—these leftists are going ALL OUT for midterms.” There are true conservatives out there who have been involved in politics for years, but Owens does not appear to be one of them. She is clearly in this for fame, attention and is following the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 3 hours ago, chuck berrys hairline said: The Republicans should let Candace Owens run next time. The Dems would have nothing on her would be glorious seeing them scuttling around confused. A strong BLACK woman who stands her ground. Not flip floppy like xxxxxxxx Harris They just need to show her Joe rogan appearance. A fecking crackpot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 52 minutes ago, Justin Z said: There are true conservatives out there who have been involved in politics for years Are they any more rational than any other Republicans? Here we have John Oliver trying to reason with US Republicans while comparing their mindset to their Australian equivalent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, chuck berrys hairline said: The Republicans should let Candace Owens run next time. The Dems would have nothing on her would be glorious seeing them scuttling around confused. A strong BLACK woman who stands her ground. Not flip floppy like Cameltoe Harris There's standing your ground with a level of knowledge and confidence in the research you do on both sides of the argument that allows you to have an opinion. Then there's this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Boy Named Crow Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, ri Alban said: There's standing your ground with a level of knowledge and confidence in the research you do on both sides of the argument that allows you to have an opinion. Then there's this Given the events of the last five years over there, you've got to think she'd have a solid crack at the White House... Edited February 14, 2021 by A Boy Named Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 minute ago, A Boy Named Crow said: Given the events of the last five years over there, you've got to think she's have a solid crack at the White House... More than likely. America needs a true Champion, Atm. Or maybe it should just split and become smaller. Smaller states are better, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, A Boy Named Crow said: Given the events of the last five years over there, you've got to think she'd have a solid crack at the White House... Sexist post imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: It's been mentioned many times about the similarities between Trump et al and the rise of Hitler & the Nazi's in 30's Germany. Well there's more similarities than even I'd thought. In light of yesterday's events in the senate, Trump & Hitler were both charged with insurrection, although Hitler was convicted & jailed for it. When Hitler became chancellor he said that he wouldn't take a salary and would donate it all to charity, Trump did the same. Hitler was a tax dodger, filing only one tax return in all the years he was chancellor, in fact he changed the law to make himself exempt from taxes, Trump as everybody knows is also no stranger to the lack of submitting tax returns or indeed paying tax. My fear is that this aquital is only going to embolden Trump all the more, he now knows that he can get away with trying to overthrow the government, he and many others will be much better prepared the next time they try this, they won't make the same mistakes again. Relative strength of armed forces (Germany/US) ? And allegiance? A small comfort that came from the recent events was each arm of the forces stating their obligation to defend the constitution if it came to it. The preparedness argument works both ways. Security forces have had their warning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, ri Alban said: There's standing your ground with a level of knowledge and confidence in the research you do on both sides of the argument that allows you to have an opinion. Then there's this She's a muppet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: There's standing your ground with a level of knowledge and confidence in the research you do on both sides of the argument that allows you to have an opinion. Then there's this She didn't know the difference between climate and weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 43 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said: Relative strength of armed forces (Germany/US) ? And allegiance? A small comfort that came from the recent events was each arm of the forces stating their obligation to defend the constitution if it came to it. The preparedness argument works both ways. Security forces have had their warning It's not so much an outright attack on the Capitol building etc I was thinking about, it's more that if Trump or one of his acolytes gets into power again, they will know what needs to be done, so that they remain in power. Reading back I could have worded my previous post better to make it clear what I was meaning. Yesterday's result has only given an egotistical meglomaniacal narcissist a boost to their own self-importance, that they have beaten the 'establishment' twice and will only have served to prove to Trump himself and many of his supporters that he must be special, some even think 'god' sent him, this result yesterday will only confirm it, for some. America had the chance to put the 'Cult of Trump' back in it's box, it has failed to do so, I just hope America doesn't pay a heavy price in the future for cacking it yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 7 hours ago, ri Alban said: And people think the justice system is fair. It's a Slam dunk he's guilty, how many people innocent and guilty have had the wrong result due to the people sitting in the seats of the jury and judge. Pathetic and at least Russia and China don't even try to convince the world they play fair. Your point is fine but it was an Impeachment not a criminal or Civil Court rules of evidence and procedure. It is a total travesty if they use the word Justice when referring to the process. McConnel summed it up perfectly, he stated after the acquittal for which he voted that Trump was not guilty of all matters in the Impeachment but that venue was not where the action should have been taken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 37 minutes ago, jonesy said: She's prettier than Biden, though. I was too late for the edit to add I would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 While a conviction would have been the ideal it's still by no means a win for Trump. I expect there to be civil law suits brought against him by the likes of the families of those who died during the Trump directed attack on the Capitol. And what will the lawyers of those families say in court? Well for one thing they're pretty certain to quote the words of Republican senate minority leader Mitch McConnell. Quote American citizens attacked their own government. They used terrorism to try to stop a specific piece of democratic business they did not like. Fellow Americans beat and bloodied our own police. They stormed the Senate floor. They tried to hunt down the Speaker of the House. They built a gallows and chanted about murdering the Vice President. They did this because they had been fed wild falsehoods by the most powerful man on Earth — because he was angry he'd lost an election. The House accused the former President of, quote, 'incitement.' That is a specific term from the criminal law. Let me put that to the side for one moment and reiterate something I said weeks ago: There is no question that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of that day. Trump wont so easily wriggle out of that when faced with a non loaded jury. And another fact is that a majority of the senate still voted to convict him while an even bigger majority of the nation think he should have been convicted. This demonstrates to federal and state prosecutors that bringing criminal charges against Trump is politically safe. Again, this was no win for Trump. And the value in carrying out the procedure regardless of the reality we all knew how it would end lies in these facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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