Scnorthedinburgh Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Bridge of Djoum said: Is that why churches are always asking for money to repair the roof? I blame.hibs for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 While the Anglican church is a via media between Catholicism and Protestantism, it is still generally considered as being under the Protestant umbrella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Just now, Scnorthedinburgh said: She should start her own church Yep there's a few on here who would join a full blown cult if she led it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Can't make the game today but it sounds like it may be more interesting what is happening in the stands than on the pitch . That's the tragedy of all this . Budge hasn't said that people can't stand , she notes that we all do when a goal may be imminent or when scored . She hasn't an issue with that . In my experience most people only briefly stand as they respect others behind them . It's only the drunken erses who stand more often . There is no almost a civil war in the support , those who are anti Budge and those who are against everything she stands for . Incredible to believe that she saved the club and is now being treated like this ? Talk about bitinn the hand that feeds ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, MacDonald Jardine said: Exactly. I know one of the reasons was to allow himself to divorce. Were there other reasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Just now, redjambo said: While the Anglican church is a via media between Catholicism and Protestantism, it is still generally considered as being under the Protestant umbrella. Yes because it doesn't recognise the authority of the Pope. Which was the whole point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, redjambo said: While the Anglican church is a via media between Catholicism and Protestantism, it is still generally considered as being under the Protestant umbrella. Where could one buy one of these umbrella's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scnorthedinburgh Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, redjambo said: While the Anglican church is a via media between Catholicism and Protestantism, it is still generally considered as being under the Protestant umbrella. So why did the recent person to marry into the royal family have to be confirmed into the Coe? And the wee issue of her being divorced, at least they have moved on a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Just now, Bridge of Djoum said: I know one of the reasons was to allow himself to divorce. Were there other reasons? I'm not expert but it was established at a time when the Catholic Church was being widely questioned. There may have been a formal reformed church in England without that but I think Henry was worried about the effect on the authority of the Crown. In many ways the C of E was an ideal solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Just now, Scnorthedinburgh said: So why did the recent person to marry into the royal family have to be confirmed into the Coe? And the wee issue of her being divorced, at least they have moved on a bit. Perhaps it was merely because she hadn't had a confirmation or some such equivalency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Just now, MacDonald Jardine said: I'm not expert but it was established at a time when the Catholic Church was being widely questioned. There may have been a formal reformed church in England without that but I think Henry was worried about the effect on the authority of the Crown. In many ways the C of E was an ideal solution. Interesting. Thanks for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scnorthedinburgh Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bridge of Djoum said: I know one of the reasons was to allow himself to divorce. Were there other reasons? He was a bit pissed off, skint needed money. Didn't like being told what to do. Kids. Woke up going tell you what today I am starting a new religion because I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Scnorthedinburgh said: So why did the recent person to marry into the royal family have to be confirmed into the Coe? And the wee issue of her being divorced, at least they have moved on a bit. Because despite what you hear about the accession rules being anti Catholic, they're actually anti everyone not C of E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterintheRain Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, redjambo said: While the Anglican church is a via media between Catholicism and Protestantism, it is still generally considered as being under the Protestant umbrella. That's a mere technicality and not the view held by your actual Protestants. Bishops in Gold stitched robes waving enjewelled croziers, and leading high mass in Latin, with local Ministers appointed ultimately by the Pope... I mean the Monarch. The Church or England is Catholic in all things except Rome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scnorthedinburgh Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bridge of Djoum said: Perhaps it was merely because she hadn't had a confirmation or some such equivalency. Don't think so she was a Baptist hence the minister at the wedding. So I assume she had been baptised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthomas Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, MacDonald Jardine said: Because despite what you hear about the accession rules being anti Catholic, they're actually anti everyone not C of E. Didn't know that . Care to expand ? I know this is way off topic but I'm interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dee Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 This thread has gone spectacularly weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Scnorthedinburgh said: So why did the recent person to marry into the royal family have to be confirmed into the Coe? And the wee issue of her being divorced, at least they have moved on a bit. Tradition. Not a tradition with which I agree, but one all the same. It allowed her for example to take communion at the wedding, an element which is deemed an important part of the event for the royal family. More info: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/05/18/why-meghan-markle-raised-a-christian-still-got-baptized-before-her-royal-wedding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scnorthedinburgh Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, johnthomas said: Didn't know that . Care to expand ? I know this is way off topic but I'm interested Queen is head of Coe. Anyone who may become king or queen or provide the children who may become king or queen. Must be Coe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, johnthomas said: Didn't know that . Care to expand ? I know this is way off topic but I'm interested It's based on who can sit on the throne. Popular opinion is they have to be Protestant. In fact they have to be C of E specifically. On one level it's not unreasonable given they become head of that church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, PeterintheRain said: That's a mere technicality and not the view held by your actual Protestants. Bishops in Gold stitched robes waving enjewelled croziers, and leading high mass in Latin, with local Ministers appointed ultimately by the Pope... I mean the Monarch. The Church or England is Catholic in all things except Rome. That last sentence of yours is wrong. There are various differences between Roman Catholicism and Anglicism. Please do some research on the subject instead of just uttering rubbish because you want it to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 A few Poindexter's in our midst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scnorthedinburgh Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, redjambo said: Tradition. Not a tradition with which I agree, but one all the same. It allowed her for example to take communion at the wedding, an element which is deemed an important part of the event for the royal family. More info: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/05/18/why-meghan-markle-raised-a-christian-still-got-baptized-before-her-royal-wedding Yup and all our prod flag waving fans take communion on a Sunday as the get all upset about Celtic fans who.may be Catholic. Its football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, Bridge of Djoum said: Where could one buy one of these umbrella's? eBay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Anyway, Budge oot! Mad *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: eBay Bargain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Can we have a thread title change, please. Just ''Budge''? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, redjambo said: That last sentence of yours is wrong. There are various differences between Roman Catholicism and Anglicism. Please do some research on the subject instead of just uttering rubbish because you want it to be true. Not that many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 A JKB pub quiz would be quite something Can we do one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Just now, MacDonald Jardine said: Not that many. Agreed, but that's not what PeterintheRain claimed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scnorthedinburgh Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, redjambo said: That last sentence of yours is wrong. There are various differences between Roman Catholicism and Anglicism. Please do some research on the subject instead of just uttering rubbish because you want it to be true. The polite thing to do would be to point them out. But I understand a wee picture shows you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Just now, Scnorthedinburgh said: The polite thing to do would be to point them out. But I understand a wee picture shows you know. Cheeky get. Here you go: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=differences+anglicism+catholicism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scnorthedinburgh Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, kila said: A JKB pub quiz would be quite something Can we do one? Can you hire the louden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scnorthedinburgh Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, redjambo said: Cheeky get. Here you go: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=differences+anglicism+catholicism Thank you. Still not prods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Scnorthedinburgh said: Thank you. Still not prods. Everything hinges on definitions, as always. Now can we get back to Ann's statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, redjambo said: Cheeky get. Here you go: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=differences+anglicism+catholicism That's quite interesting but I'd question the statement the C of E is non hierarchical. Notably they also believe the same about communion. Anyway this is a bizarre thread half an hour before the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, kila said: A JKB pub quiz would be quite something Can we do one? Great idea! Which pub is this? The Tiny Arms! Yeah yeah, I'll get my coat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scnorthedinburgh Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, redjambo said: Everything hinges on definitions, as always. Now can we get back to Ann's statement? At least it wasn't anti Semitic ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodami Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 The really critical difference is the belief in transubstantiation in the Catholic Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthomas Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, redjambo said: Everything hinges on definitions, as always. Now can we get back to Ann's statement? Yes indeed . I agree with everything in the statement apart from the fact she omitted to condemn the boring twat behind me who conducts an incredibly ill informed running commentary ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 23 hours ago, westbow said: "3) In the interests of safety, supporters are expected to remain seated during a match, with the exception of goal celebrations. Those supporters who consistently fail to adhere to requests to remain seated may either be escorted from the stadium or, if this is not possible for safety reasons, will be identified and contacted post-match. We reserve the right to revoke season tickets, the right to purchase tickets and also to consider any further future sanctions. " Presumably then, individuals will be asked more than once to sit down. If they ignore requests they will be identified by cctv, evidence sent in the post together with cancellation of season ticket and put on the naughty step for the foreseeable. I didn't realise standing was that big an issue. Bringing flags, chucking coins and pyrotechnics - fair enough. I dont think standing is as big an issue as people are making out and getting their panties in a twist about. However the pressure will be on us from authorities and that will mean implementing all rules in regards stadium safety. One of which will be along the lines of “outwith safe standing areas , all spectators are expected to remain in their seats” Nothing the club can do when the pressure is on us to sort our issues. Same with OF and Hibs fans we can only sort our own we can’t take the same line with them thats for their clubs to do. Dempster said oh I never saw anything which has to be lies. As long as they take that attitude their issue will remain ours will hopefully resolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Nookie Bear said: You think? Edit: general consensus on here is that we ignore other fans until we get our own house in order. Don’t think its ignore , more they have to police their own fans , we can provide info or police can take info and pass it to them. We as a club can directly deal with our supporters who are causing issues. You’ll never get Rangers and Celtic to come out and condemn their fans behaviour. Even Dempster only half assed doing it last week after saying she saw nothing untoward from Hibs fans. Despite smoke bombs , flares , cups of piss , lighters , coins bottles of piss , keys being lobbed from their section at our players , fans and the assistant ref. Hibs have to deal with that but bury their heads. Our fans who were doing similar we can deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jodami said: The really critical difference is the belief in transubstantiation in the Catholic Church. Do the C of E not believe that too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, sadj said: Don’t think its ignore , more they have to police their own fans , we can provide info or police can take info and pass it to them. We as a club can directly deal with our supporters who are causing issues. You’ll never get Rangers and Celtic to come out and condemn their fans behaviour. Even Dempster only half assed doing it last week after saying she saw nothing untoward from Hibs fans. Despite smoke bombs , flares , cups of piss , lighters , coins bottles of piss , keys being lobbed from their section at our players , fans and the assistant ref. Hibs have to deal with that but bury their heads. Our fans who were doing similar we can deal with. We can police their fans in our ground. Again, if it's a Health and Safety matter, as is being suggested , we're being grossly negligent if we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, MacDonald Jardine said: We can police their fans in our ground. Again, if it's a Health and Safety matter, as is being suggested , we're being grossly negligent if we don't. Thats not peoples argument though is it , they are more saying treat them the same as Hearts fans. All behaviour will no doubt be monitored. However we can’t do anything about their fans aside from basic health and safety that is done anyway. Its upto those individual clubs to act on info provided. Saying all that in a statement to me detracts from the power of that statement. Look at how much people are in a tiz about it. Yet all it really is , is saying we are going to be ensuring we follow the guidelines laid down to us more strictly due to people taking the piss. Ejecting an away fan for an assault etc is one thing but other aspects of law breaking its surely the police policy to monitor note deal with afterwards rather than risk big issues there and then by piling in the middle of 3000 celtic fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodami Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, MacDonald Jardine said: Do the C of E not believe that too? There's not the same absolute acceptance of the presence of God in the eucharist after its blessed, more a tacit acknowledgment of his presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, sadj said: Thats not peoples argument though is it , they are more saying treat them the same as Hearts fans. All behaviour will no doubt be monitored. However we can’t do anything about their fans aside from basic health and safety that is done anyway. Its upto those individual clubs to act on info provided. Saying all that in a statement to me detracts from the power of that statement. Look at how much people are in a tiz about it. Yet all it really is , is saying we are going to be ensuring we follow the guidelines laid down to us more strictly due to people taking the piss. Ejecting an away fan for an assault etc is one thing but other aspects of law breaking its surely the police policy to monitor note deal with afterwards rather than risk big issues there and then by piling in the middle of 3000 celtic fans. Is the “sitting down” argument not dictated by Health and Safety, in which case it applies to the away fans, and also blocking the view of people who want/need to sit, which also applies to away fans? So if sections N & G are to sit down then i cannot see any reason why the Roseburn shouldn’t follow suit. Having waffled all that, I feel the sitting/standing decision is way down the list of priorities right now, behind the missiles and smoke bombs, and if that stops then I reckon we will hear. I more about standing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpship Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 51 minutes ago, johnthomas said: Didn't know that . Care to expand ? I know this is way off topic but I'm interested When the reformation happened in England, they simply changed the pope with the king and kept everything the same. In Scotland "we" binned the lot. Even the stain glass windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 52 minutes ago, kila said: A JKB pub quiz would be quite something Can we do one? Plastic glasses would be a good idea ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boab said: Plastic glasses would be a good idea ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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