Statement from Budge

[Bring Back Paulo Sergio]

If Ann thinks I'm sitting when all of the Roseburn is standing she can get ****ed. I will quite happily get a lawyer involved.

 

It's going to be fun tomorrow.

[Nookie Bear]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

As evidenced before,   she is a bit limited in what she can say about the behaviour of visiting supports.     Any attempt to deal with that side of the issue is certain to be met with howls of criticism that Hearts are in denial regarding our own fans, etc etc.      

 

The rules of Tynecastle apply to all parts of the ground so it should be pretty straightforward to eject any away fan flying a banned flag, or standing (apart from goal celebrations).

 

Shouldn't it?

 

 

[RussAsia]

Why do we need to have a family friendly stadium.. we have always had family areas.. i accept that.. why does the rest of the stadium now need to sit on their hands..

 

Football whether she likes it or not was a sport for the working man.. times are changing but it seems everything needs to be sanitised so as not to offend the easily offended..

[Inch Hearts]

1 minute ago, Sexton Hardcastle said:

How is it possible to have a rule for one group of fans and not the other. Any bans would be contested in court costing the club considerable money.

 

Im not sure how the club would police who away clubs sell tickets to?  

[Pans Jambo]

Just now, Phil Dunphy said:

 

I just feel sorry for you.

 

Anyone that cuts about telling people about how he'll batter then has clearly been bullied most of his life. It's a shame.

Thanks Phil. That very comforting but I dont need your pity (Just in case that type of thing excites you. You got a few folk on your stalking list Philip?)

 

What a sad little individual...cute.

[Bring Back Paulo Sergio]

Just now, Inch Hearts said:

 

Im not sure how the club would police who away clubs sell tickets to?  

She provides the tickets. 

[heartmussel]

17 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said:

 

 

Imagine cutting about an Internet forum threatening to batter folk.

 

 

How tragic must your life be.

It’s the way of life in the Pans mate?

[Nookie Bear]

1 minute ago, Inch Hearts said:

 

Im not sure how the club would police who away clubs sell tickets to?  

 

Just eject them from the ground, no?

[Inch Hearts]

1 minute ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Just eject them from the ground, no?

 

I’m not sure it would be worth the risk of underpaid stewards to walk into the middle of Celtic fans to remove one waving a flag or acting the arsehole. 

 

I think it will stretch to Hibs and they will have similar in place for when we visit ER which may be concerning to a lot of our support who use the trip to get completely out their mind.  Thank god im older now ?

Edited November 9, 2018 by Inch Hearts

[Nookie Bear]

Just now, Inch Hearts said:

 

I’m not sure it would be worth the risk of underpaid stewards to walk into the middle of Celtic fans to remove one waving a flag or acting the arsehole. 

 

Is it worth the risk of wading into Section N to remove a flag?

 

I wouldn;t expect a steward to do it, but a police officer can. We could at least start with Kilmarnock tomorrow, which will be easier - they will have fans standing up, no doubt.

[Italian Lambretta]

18 minutes ago, KyleLafferty said:

Looking forward to not having Celtic or Rangers at Tynecastle anymore then! 

Exactly this and glad to hear the last of the terrorist drummer. Well done Ann something positive at last ?

[KyleLafferty]

Hope everyone phones that number when Celtic and Rangers are in town. Bombard that number. She’s opened a can of worms. Not once has she came out and defended Hearts over this thing. We’ve been getting tagged as Anti-Catholic all week and she’s said nothing. She’s let Hibs keep this going now everyone thinks we are Anti-Catholic. Nothing will get down when the Glasgow teams come to town.

[Victorian]

9 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

The rules of Tynecastle apply to all parts of the ground so it should be pretty straightforward to eject any away fan flying a banned flag, or standing (apart from goal celebrations).

 

Shouldn't it?

 

 

 

Not really what I was saying.    I'm referring to what she obviously feels she can say in her statements and what not to.    Actual police and stewarding actions are a differeng matter.     Yes you would expect policy on away fans to match that on home fans.

[KingRudi_2012]

26 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Theres obviously been complaints or Ann wouldnt have mentioned it in her statement. It is an 'all seated' stadium. 

 

Everybody stands when before kick-off, during half time and if theres a big moment during the match like a bad foul or a scoring opportunity etc.

 

Maybe try sitting down between these times before you get invited to leave...or fly doon the stairs!

Ann has principles when it suits her. She increased the OF's allocation ensuring we have a stand full of sectarian standing bigots 4 games a season. She is a walking contradicition. 

 

I am in a section full of people who want to stand. No one will be chucking me down any stairs ?

Edited November 9, 2018 by KingRudi_2012

[manaliveits105]

Perfect no more Irish flags allowed

[Italian Lambretta]

So what flags are banned from Tynecastle?

 

Anyone know

[Inch Hearts]

8 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Is it worth the risk of wading into Section N to remove a flag?

 

I wouldn;t expect a steward to do it, but a police officer can. We could at least start with Kilmarnock tomorrow, which will be easier - they will have fans standing up, no doubt.

 

I don’t think that would happen either.  I do think they would be identified and banned at a later date though.  Some could find their season card deactivated. 

[Shanks]

- Singing or chanting of any song or flying of any flag which is recognised as being sectarian, racist or political in its intent.

 

Look forward to this being enforced.  Not going to start a debate but the club may as well just ban flags from the stadium.

[LewisR5-1]

1 minute ago, Italian Lambretta said:

So what flags are banned from Tynecastle?

 

Anyone know

Any one that holds a political connotation which could be any at this rate !

[Phil Dunphy]

2 minutes ago, Italian Lambretta said:

So what flags are banned from Tynecastle?

 

Anyone know

 

Labour.

Conservatives.

SNP.

Liberal Democrats.

[Pans Jambo]

Just now, Phil Dunphy said:

 

I mean, there's an equal possibility that you live alone.

Regardless. you're a bit weird.

 

Snipe at folk on an internet forum (who wasnt even addressing you), that person bites back, you then play the insulted victim card whilst insulting that person at the same time. Classic!

 

Bringing it down to accusing a person of domestic violence is strange behavior. This forum is about Ann's statement and how it affects us, not my living arrangements.

[Inch Hearts]

2 minutes ago, Italian Lambretta said:

So what flags are banned from Tynecastle?

 

Anyone know

 

The Italian one seems fine so you’re all good! 

[KingRudi_2012]

6 minutes ago, KyleLafferty said:

Hope everyone phones that number when Celtic and Rangers are in town. Bombard that number. She’s opened a can of worms. Not once has she came out and defended Hearts over this thing. We’ve been getting tagged as Anti-Catholic all week and she’s said nothing. She’s let Hibs keep this going now everyone thinks we are Anti-Catholic. Nothing will get down when the Glasgow teams come to town.

She really doesn't get Hearts or football in general.

[Steve_Jersey_HMFC]

30 minutes ago, oh ah grantona said:

She won't be happy until football is a cinema. 

 

There is a fine line to be tread both ways. Fans need to wise up but the same token clubs need to wise up. Start by making the sections of main & wheatfield closest to Gorgie standing sections and probable singing sections 

 

Presume you mean closest to Roseburn i.e. G and N

 

I agree. I don't think anyone who cant stand due to age/mobility etc should have their view affected at football games but those people would never sit in lower G/N would they. Don't see why those sections cant be designated as safe standing. Even Celtic have managed to do it. Anyone who persistently stands in the rest of the ground gets told off/ejected

[Nookie Bear]

3 minutes ago, Inch Hearts said:

 

I don’t think that would happen either.  I do think they would be identified and banned at a later date though.  Some could find their season card deactivated. 

 

Seems harsh, to hand out indefinite bans for having a flag but i suppose it will go some way to reducing the posturing that often leads to sectarianism, if applied fairly of course.

[@VladMagic]

20 minutes ago, Sexton Hardcastle said:

How is it possible to have a rule for one group of fans and not the other. Any bans would be contested in court costing the club considerable money.

 

The club is responsible for the behaviour and safety of Hearts fans. It is responsible only for the safety of away fans. It is not responsible for the behaviour of away fans. 

 

This strongly worded statement explains exactly how our fans should behave when in the stadium so both sets of supporters are safe and can enjoy themselves. If any away fans start chucking things or waving provocative flags then its up to the police to deal with it. NOT US. We only have a responsibility for the behaviour of our fans.

[Steve_Jersey_HMFC]

double post

Edited November 9, 2018 by Steve_Jersey_HMFC

[Boab]

6 minutes ago, Longshanks said:

- Singing or chanting of any song or flying of any flag which is recognised as being sectarian, racist or political in its intent.

 

Look forward to this being enforced.  Not going to start a debate but the club may as well just ban flags from the stadium.

 

The mods have been very good lately when the subject of flags has came up. I'm sure they'll cut some slack considering flags are mentioned in the statement.

Pretty hard to enforce and needs some common sense from all concerned. For example, a saltire could be recognised as political in today's climate ! 

Bit of a minefield !

[Italian Lambretta]

10 minutes ago, LewisR5-1 said:

Any one that holds a political connotation which could be any at this rate !

So Palestinian, Cuban, Republic of Ireland, starry Plough, Basque flags etc etc?

Edited November 9, 2018 by Italian Lambretta

[Notts1874]

9 minutes ago, KingRudi_2012 said:

She really doesn't get Hearts or football in general.

I would suggest that she gets football far more than you. 

[Notts1874]

Don't behave like a weapon and you will be just fine. Rules for all seater stadia aren't just limited to Tynecastle...........but you all know that.

[Harry Potter]

50 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

ha ha

[soonbe110]

53 minutes ago, KingRudi_2012 said:

I will continue to stand at games whether Budge likes it or not ? 

Good for you, just won’t be games at Tynecastle it seems. Which game are you going to tomorrow? 

[Inch Hearts]

8 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Seems harsh, to hand out indefinite bans for having a flag but i suppose it will go some way to reducing the posturing that often leads to sectarianism, if applied fairly of course.

 

I would agree but a few game/year ban would have people second thinking about doing so.  It wouldn’t for some though and if they continuously want to break the rules then he’ll mend them. 

[Inch Hearts]

1 minute ago, Notts1874 said:

Don't behave like a weapon and you will be just fine. Rules for all seater stadia aren't just limited to Tynecastle...........but you all know that.

 

In a nut shell - It really is that simple.

[...a bit disco]

 

 

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Edited November 9, 2018 by ...a bit disco
Wrong quote!

[magicTs]

Again whilst I agree with the vast majority of her latest statement she has opened a can of worms in relation to how the old firm supports should be tackled. To me it’s an absolute no brainer to announce that they will be given the very minimum tickets allowed for the foreseeable future whilst these issues are tackled. She has to be consistent with her approach here regardless of that impacting a financial bottom line. Allowing them to pack 3600 into the Roseburn and behave as they choose with no consequence (given the Police won’t get involved) whilst taking the hardline approach (even if it’s the correct one) against the home support is not a good move on her part. If she’s making a stance she needs to be all in on it! 

[westbow]

"3) In the interests of safety, supporters are expected to remain seated during a match, with the exception of goal celebrations.  Those supporters who consistently fail to adhere to requests to remain seated may either be escorted from the stadium or, if this is not possible for safety reasons, will be identified and contacted post-match.  We reserve the right to revoke season tickets, the right to purchase tickets and also to consider any further future sanctions. "

 

Presumably then, individuals will be asked more than once to sit down. If they ignore requests they will be identified by cctv, evidence sent in the post together with cancellation of season ticket and put on the naughty step for the foreseeable. I didn't realise standing was that big an issue.

 

Bringing flags, chucking coins and pyrotechnics - fair enough.

 

[KingRudi_2012]

2 minutes ago, Notts1874 said:

I would suggest that she gets football far more than you. 

Meet me at Stratties tomorrow then and we can discuss football? I have followed football my whole life. I wasn't introduced to it in middle aged having had zero interest previously. 

[...a bit disco]

5 minutes ago, Notts1874 said:

Don't behave like a weapon and you will be just fine. Rules for all seater stadia aren't just limited to Tynecastle...........but you all know that.

 

Very much so.

 

I'll continue to attend games at Tynie and behave as I always do.

 

Sing, shout, swear a bit & celebrate. Occasionally I might stand up to do it as well.

[Notts1874]

1 minute ago, ...a bit disco said:

 

Very much so.

 

I'll continue to attend games at Tynie and behave as I always do.

 

Sing, shout, swear a bit & celebrate. Occasionally I might stand up to do it as well.

 

 

And you will be absolutely fine.

[TyphoonJambo]

I predict that the new enhanced in house stewarding team,  directed by police Scotland, will eagerly apply the mentioned actions against the non sectarian or abusive but momentarily excitable, life long, FOH donating, Hearts fan, who leaps out his seat, remains standing throughout an exciting period of action and doesn't sit down within regulation time, with gusto. Evicting and maybe banning the said PHM whilst doing absolutely heehaw to the sectarian, unwashed terrorist loving freedom fighters from the west as they, whilst being watched, from a safe distance by police Scotland, destroy seats and throw anything they can get there hands on, onto the pitch and towards Hearts fans.

I applaud this statement but it needs to be applied proportionally, deal with the real problems, and that can only be done with the polices assistance.

less pies and videos in the corner guys, more truncheons and big boots into the *******s.

Edited November 9, 2018 by TypoonJambo

[Lfhearts]

Sad times.

[...a bit disco]

Just now, Notts1874 said:

And you will be absolutely fine.

 

Indeed.

 

No fears here.

 

[Jambo 4 Ever]

100% agree with what she said

 

The sooner the idiots who bring the flares to the games are banned the better too - I will be sure to keep eye out for it next time aswell

[Bongo 1874]

1 minute ago, magicTs said:

Again whilst I agree with the vast majority of her latest statement she has opened a can of worms in relation to how the old firm supports should be tackled. To me it’s an absolute no brainer to announce that they will be given the very minimum tickets allowed for the foreseeable future whilst these issues are tackled. She has to be consistent with her approach here regardless of that impacting a financial bottom line. Allowing them to pack 3600 into the Roseburn and behave as they choose with no consequence (given the Police won’t get involved) whilst taking the hardline approach (even if it’s the correct one) against the home support is not a good move on her part. If she’s making a stance she needs to be all in on it! 

Spot on good post ?

[Notts1874]

Just now, KingRudi_2012 said:

Meet me at Stratties tomorrow then and we can discuss football? I have followed football my whole life. I wasn't introduced to it in middle aged having had zero interest previously. 

I'm fine thanks. You seem to have more interest in standing up than the football itself.

[Pans Jambo]

Just now, magicTs said:

Again whilst I agree with the vast majority of her latest statement she has opened a can of worms in relation to how the old firm supports should be tackled. To me it’s an absolute no brainer to announce that they will be given the very minimum tickets allowed for the foreseeable future whilst these issues are tackled. She has to be consistent with her approach here regardless of that impacting a financial bottom line. Allowing them to pack 3600 into the Roseburn and behave as they choose with no consequence (given the Police won’t get involved) whilst taking the hardline approach (even if it’s the correct one) against the home support is not a good move on her part. If she’s making a stance she needs to be all in on it! 

I agree with that. We need to take back the Roseburn. I think Ann thought we might not sell it out when she was building the new main stand as we would have increased capacity but Hearts were gash at the time and now the crowds are back.

She may say that all the recent trouble was at the Hibs game and not the old firm though.

[Boab]

2 minutes ago, westbow said:

"3) In the interests of safety, supporters are expected to remain seated during a match, with the exception of goal celebrations.  Those supporters who consistently fail to adhere to requests to remain seated may either be escorted from the stadium or, if this is not possible for safety reasons, will be identified and contacted post-match.  We reserve the right to revoke season tickets, the right to purchase tickets and also to consider any further future sanctions. "

 

Presumably then, individuals will be asked more than once to sit down. If they ignore requests they will be identified by cctv, evidence sent in the post together with cancellation of season ticket and put on the naughty step for the foreseeable. I didn't realise standing was that big an issue.

 

Bringing flags, chucking coins and pyrotechnics - fair enough.

 

 

Do you need to sit on the naughty step ?

 

 

Coat's already on !

 

[westbow]

3 minutes ago, KingRudi_2012 said:

Meet me at Stratties tomorrow then and we can discuss football? I have followed football my whole life. I wasn't introduced to it in middle aged having had zero interest previously. 

This is a football forum not Grindr mate.