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24 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Perfect no more Irish flags allowed

no need to bring union jacks into the ground at any time imho

typically just brought to wind up Celtic fans

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3 minutes ago, ...a bit disco said:

 

Very much so.

 

I'll continue to attend games at Tynie and behave as I always do.

 

Sing, shout, swear a bit & celebrate. Occasionally I might stand up to do it as well.

Im naw standing the morra, might shout at a linesman but without naughty words, 

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20 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said:

 

I feel sorry for his wife, if he has one.

 

He seems like the type who wouldn't;t be afraid to "teach her a lesson".

You know what annoys me, I’m in my 60s now and grew up when there was real bother at football,hiding your scarf etc after away games lol think we maybe all done it at some point, is the amount of people that leave our Stadium from about 4.15 onwards is shocking then clog up stairwells so us neds?? can’t see the game.I am still fit and healthy and still in one piece from my visits to my favourite place on a Saturday probably safer than at Asda god forbid.Lets just get behind our team tomorrow enjoy what’s on the pitch and not what’s going on around us,leave that to the appropriate authorities who have failed us (searching and policing).But please tomorrow nobody tell me to sit down when I’m willing my team on in an excitable manner?

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Governor Tarkin
1 hour ago, Ray Gin said:

 

More interested in standing than watching Hearts sitting down. :rofl: 

 

 

That's not what he said.

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It it's across the board (Hearts and away fans) fair enough.

If it's just Hearts fans then she should ashamed..

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5 minutes ago, westbow said:

I didn't realise standing was that big an issue.

 

It is for people who are unable to stand for 90 minutes and can't see the game because of people in front of them.

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Sounds fair enough to me, but two questions. 

 

1.  Will it apply to opposition fans? I have complained to stewards and police about Celtic fans before, as have others.  I also texted that number once   Nothing ever gets done.   

 

 

2.  What determines if a flag is sectarian.   The Union Flag, or Northern Ireland flag comes to mind, but unless any messages or symbols are added to them, this could be difficult.   One could just say they are supporting a British or Northern Irish player (may or may not be true)  in the same way someone might bring a Czech flag to support a Czech player. 

 

Ultimately, though we can decide who we do and don’t let in, regardless. 

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...a bit disco
1 minute ago, Harry Potter said:

Im naw standing the morra, might shout at a linesman but without naughty words, 

 

:lol:

 

Whatever you feel comfortable with HP.

 

The Wheatfield lino will still get both barrels from me in S though, no doubt!

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1 minute ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

That's not what he said.

 

It's what he implied. He'd rather stand at another game than sit at a Hearts game. Therefore standing is of greater importance to him than watching Hearts.

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There is standing sections at pretty much every stadium in the world. Folk standing isn't the problem. If there is sufficient CCTV and policing/stewarding then the idiots will be caught.

 

The full home end sitting on their seats in a big match whilst the away end is standing will be odd, and a hinderance to the atmosphere 

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5 minutes ago, Jambo_in_Hamilton said:

100% agree with what she said

 

The sooner the idiots who bring the flares to the games are banned the better too - I will be sure to keep eye out for it next time aswell

 

 

How many flares did you see against Hibs? 

They were throwing smoke bombs. It might be pedantic but it's worth defining what was thrown. Also I'm not a scientist but I'm 99% certain they don't burn at temperatures like mentioned in the statement.

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1 minute ago, Paolo said:

Sounds fair enough to me, but two questions. 

 

1.  Will it apply to opposition fans? I have complained to stewards and police about Celtic fans before, as have others.  I also texted that number once   Nothing ever gets done.   

 

 

2.  What determines if a flag is sectarian.   The Union Flag, or Northern Ireland flag comes to mind, but unless any messages or symbols are added to them, this could be difficult.   One could just say they are supporting a British or Northern Irish player (may or may not be true)  in the same way someone might bring a Czech flag to support a Czech player. 

 

Ultimately, though we can decide who we do and don’t let in, regardless. 

 

Just don't bring any national flag. It's not an international match.

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3 minutes ago, Harry Potter said:

Im naw standing the morra, might shout at a linesman but without naughty words, 

Quite right HP. You should paint this on a bed sheet for the linesman (before you get ejected):

 

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1 hour ago, KingRudi_2012 said:

Not a chance. She came out with a similar melodramatic statment before. In the off chance she bans everyone in N lower I will go back to following junior football. Sitting at games doesn't do it for me.

If you are ever in front of me, you will be sitting down. 

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46 minutes ago, Inch Hearts said:

Fantastic statement which I don’t think will  stretch as far as away fans.  

 

Away fans are difficult in that I imagine that most punishments will be retrospectively applied after video and on-the-ground evidence points at supporters sitting in specific seat numbers. Apart from the police dealing with individual away supporters at the time, I think that if any visiting club will not act proactively with us on this issue, the only recourse we will have is to reduce the numbers of visiting fans from any clubs whose supporters break the stadium rules.

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Just now, Ray Gin said:

 

It is for people who are unable to stand for 90 minutes and can't see the game because of people in front of them.

I'm just surprised its lumped in with the more serious stuff. I'm never in those parts of the ground. Fair enough though. I've got hip issues so I can emphathise.

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4 minutes ago, ...a bit disco said:

 

:lol:

 

Whatever you feel comfortable with HP.

 

The Wheatfield lino will still get both barrels from me in S though, no doubt!

Ha Ha, 

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Normally it's away fans that are treated like criminals (Parkhead / Ibrox / Pittodrie). At  least we are setting a new trend.

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50 minutes ago, Bring Back Paulo Sergio said:

If Ann thinks I'm sitting when all of the Roseburn is standing she can get ****ed. I will quite happily get a lawyer involved.

 

It's going to be fun tomorrow.

 Better get a no win, no fee one, then, as you would have no chance. 

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3 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said:

 

 

How many flares did you see against Hibs? 

They were throwing smoke bombs. It might be pedantic but it's worth defining what was thrown. Also I'm not a scientist but I'm 99% certain they don't burn at temperatures like mentioned in the statement.

regardless - they are pointless and can be dangerous - so banned for life if bringing it again - I might start just filming areas of fans at these games and then easy to spot them

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26 minutes ago, VladMagic said:

 

The club is responsible for the behaviour and safety of Hearts fans. It is responsible only for the safety of away fans. It is not responsible for the behaviour of away fans. 

 

This strongly worded statement explains exactly how our fans should behave when in the stadium so both sets of supporters are safe and can enjoy themselves. If any away fans start chucking things or waving provocative flags then its up to the police to deal with it. NOT US. We only have a responsibility for the behaviour of our fans.

 

Within the context of what you say is it not a case for argument that the behaviour of those away fans could also potentially impact on their safety.

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Whole stadium should take flares to the killie game as a protest. What they going to do chuck the whole crowd out?

 

There good enough for champions league and international matches but not in Scotland?

 

What was the point in even having a section for atmosphere?

 

 

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29 minutes ago, VladMagic said:

 

The club is responsible for the behaviour and safety of Hearts fans. It is responsible only for the safety of away fans. It is not responsible for the behaviour of away fans. 

 

This strongly worded statement explains exactly how our fans should behave when in the stadium so both sets of supporters are safe and can enjoy themselves. If any away fans start chucking things or waving provocative flags then its up to the police to deal with it. NOT US. We only have a responsibility for the behaviour of our fans.

The rules of the stadium apply to everyone.  

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fabienleclerq
3 minutes ago, Jambo_in_Hamilton said:

regardless - they are pointless and can be dangerous - so banned for life if bringing it again - I might start just filming areas of fans at these games and then easy to spot them

 

? You do that mate.

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The standing issue will never be addressed until there is the option of a proper railed seating section.

 

That said, we know where the areas are at Tynecastle where people stand, if you really object ask to be moved to an area where everyone sits.  If there are bawbags who insist on standing in the middle of a section which is all sitting down then they deserved to get chucked.

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2 minutes ago, Jambo_in_Hamilton said:

regardless - they are pointless and can be dangerous - so banned for life if bringing it again - I might start just filming areas of fans at these games and then easy to spot them

 

You bringing a camera AND a film crew with you now?

 

Tell me, have you ever taken photos of the away fans, or bothered to film their behaviour, with a view to passing it on to the authorities? Or is it just 'your own' fans you get all tingly at the thought of filming/photographing ?

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Just now, Masonic said:

Whole stadium should take flares to the killie game as a protest. What they going to do chuck the whole crowd out?

 

There good enough for champions league and international matches but not in Scotland?

 

What was the point in even having a section for atmosphere?

 

 

I remember having a blast in the old shed. Great atmosphere but I cant remember any pyrotechnics though.

 

(OK maybe BLAST was a bad choice of words)

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1 minute ago, portobellojambo1 said:

 

Within the context of what you say is it not a case for argument that the behaviour of those away fans could also potentially impact on their safety.

 

100% correct so if something happens to away fans that is caused by away fans it is the responsibility of the away club to investigate and take action. No responsibility what so ever from Hearts.

 

We deal with our own fans.

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1 minute ago, Ray Gin said:

 

It's what he implied. He'd rather stand at another game than sit at a Hearts game. Therefore standing is of greater importance to him than watching Hearts.

 

But he'd rather stand and watch Hearts.

Being forced to sit is for many an erosion of the simple pleasures of the matchday experience. Being forced to sit outside for 90 minutes through a Scottish winter may make it just not worth it. Being lectured like a naughty schoolboy by Mistress Budge likewise. Attending football matches used to be an interactive experience. One where you could socialise with your mates with the match as a backdrop. I can see why some folk just might not be arsed anymore. That doesn't mean they'd rather stand than watch Hearts.

 

 

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I'm somewhere in between the jih 'filming the bad people' and the kingrudi 'I'd rather watch junior football than sit down watching hearts'. There's a middle ground in there and that's where I am. 

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11 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Just don't bring any national flag. It's not an international match.

I don’t bring any.   I am just curious as to how it would be applied.   

 

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2 minutes ago, Paolo said:

The rules of the stadium apply to everyone.  

 

Correct but we are not responsible for the behaviour of away fans. If they break them it is the responsibility of the away club to investigate and take action.

 

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4 minutes ago, Masonic said:

Whole stadium should take flares to the killie game as a protest. What they going to do chuck the whole crowd out?

 

There good enough for champions league and international matches but not in Scotland?

 

What was the point in even having a section for atmosphere?

 

What's the point in having windows on a plane if you can't open them? Etc.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Away fans are difficult in that I imagine that most punishments will be retrospectively applied after video and on-the-ground evidence points at supporters sitting in specific seat numbers. Apart from the police dealing with individual away supporters at the time, I think that if any visiting club will not act proactively with us on this issue, the only recourse we will have is to reduce the numbers of visiting fans from any clubs whose supporters break the stadium rules.

 

It would give us an excuse to reduce numbers and for this reason you could be right although like I said, I expect Hibs to cooperate as will we in Lochend.  You would have to do a character check to someone if you tried to sell your ticket for any reason though ?

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1 minute ago, VladMagic said:

 

100% correct so if something happens to away fans that is caused by away fans it is the responsibility of the away club to investigate and take action. No responsibility what so ever from Hearts.

 

We deal with our own fans.

 

Well it is our responsibility, it is our stadium and every single person in it is our responsibility as far as health and safety is concerned.

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Let's face it, the guys who this is really aimed at are not the sort to be too fussed over the club's image or lost revenue and nor will they be too bothered by threats of banning orders and the like.

 

What they will be reading into this is that Budge has declared war on them and there is no way they will meekly stand down.

 

 

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Just now, Chuck Berry said:

The standing issue will never be addressed until there is the option of a proper railed seating section.

 

That said, we know where the areas are at Tynecastle where people stand, if you really object ask to be moved to an area where everyone sits.  If there are bawbags who insist on standing in the middle of a section which is all sitting down then they deserved to get chucked.

 

Agreed. I think that the inclusion of no standing in the statement is a case of taking our eyes off the ball. It's technically not allowed to constantly stand at a seat in the stadium, but if there are areas where this is done and everyone knows it is in that area, and it causes no hassle, then I'm sure a blind eye can be turned. If the club try to enforce no standing in such areas then they're not going to be concentrating enough on the other unsocial/illegal aspects such as the sectarianism, the flares/smoke bombs, and the chucking of objects. The club has created a rod for its own back with this one.  I agree with the rest of Ann's statement though.

 

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KingRudi_2012
14 minutes ago, Paolo said:

If you are ever in front of me, you will be sitting down. 

I take it you don't follow Hearts away at places like Easter Road, Ibrox and Parkhead?

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3 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

You bringing a camera AND a film crew with you now?

 

Tell me, have you ever taken photos of the away fans, or bothered to film their behaviour, with a view to passing it on to the authorities? Or is it just 'your own' fans you get all tingly at the thought of filming/photographing ?

Better just leaving it mate guy is a troll I said on the olly Lee thread sold out but might be more coming in and he comes at the back of my post saying is there still tickets available :notsure:

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10 minutes ago, Jambo_in_Hamilton said:

regardless - they are pointless and can be dangerous - so banned for life if bringing it again - I might start just filming areas of fans at these games and then easy to spot them

Oh no it’s our resident David Bailey 

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1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

Agreed. I think that the inclusion of no standing in the statement is a case of taking our eyes off the ball. It's technically not allowed to constantly stand at a seat in the stadium, but if there are areas where this is done and everyone knows it is in that area, and it causes no hassle, then I'm sure a blind eye can be turned. If the club try to enforce no standing in such areas then they're not going to be concentrating enough on the other unsocial/illegal aspects such as the sectarianism, the flares/smoke bombs, and the chucking of objects. The club has created a rod for its own back with this one.  I agree with the rest of Ann's statement though.

 

 

I regularly attend Scotland games at Hampden, it's generally accepted that if you want to sit down the whole game, so to the South (main) Stand or the East Stand.  On the whole, the North and West Stands all stand up.  The stewards don't bat an eyelid.

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On the subject of pyrotechnics this article clearly show that there can be a place for these items at football matches as long as the are regulated and safe

 

"Safe flares" could be allowed in Scottish football grounds, says one of the country's leading police officers.

Assistant chief constable Bernard Higgins told BBC Scotland on Thursday it is "only a matter of time" before someone is killed by a pyrotechnic.

However, after a fans' group pointed out that Danish club Brondby have been running a trial on the use of controlled flares, Higgins told BBC Scotland he would "be OK with that".

"I'd be open to discussions," he added.

"Sporadic flares - which are not controlled - are where the risk is. But it boils down to the safety advisory board being satisfied."

Paul Goodwin, of the Scottish Football Supporters' Association, cited Israel and Norway as countries where flares are permitted at football, but insists only safe devices should be allowed inside grounds.

"They're looking at it in Denmark but the first stage in that is to make sure the pyrotechnic itself is actually safe. Brondby are looking at safe pyrotechnics," he explained.

"Once you've got to that area where it's safe, then potentially you could maybe in 10 years' time or five years, or however long, it takes see the club actually selling the pyrotechnics outside the ground. Who knows?

"We're concerned about our members. We don't want anybody being injured from anything that's taken into the ground. That's got to be the starting point in this discussion. Until the actual pyrotechnics are deemed to be safe, we would say, 'don't take pyrotechnics into the ground'."

Higgins said there were 42 incidents involving pyrotechnics at Scottish Professional Football League games last season - from a total of around 5,000,000 people going through the turnstiles.

Sniffer dogs were used at the last meeting of Celtic and Rangers in April and Police Scotland have said they will "consider any tactic" to make grounds safer.

"I think there are elements [among supporters] who don't know how dangerous they are," Higgins added. "I'd rather not arrest them out of this problem; I'd rather ask, 'do you realise the danger?'

"My real concern is that people are getting really confused with atmosphere and not thinking about safety. If you're going with your child, do you not want to feel safe?

"It's not about trying to dilute the experience. Generally speaking, football is as safe as ever, but we really want to address this emerging threat."

 
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3 minutes ago, kila said:

 

What's the point in having windows on a plane if you can't open them? Etc.

 

 

 

for visual stimulation the exact same as flares

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Bring Back Paulo Sergio

We have a responsibility to keep All visiting supporters safe so stop being deliberately obtuse. Away clubs are merely ticket touts and have no responsibility for anything that within our stadium. If Ann thinks the clubs she's giving tickets to are selling them to people they shouldn't then it's her responsibility to refuse them tickets in the first place. 

 

 

 

 

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Just now, Masonic said:

 

for visual stimulation the exact same as flares

Easily stimulated. Looking at clouds of whatever isn't that exciting

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3 minutes ago, VladMagic said:

 

Correct but we are not responsible for the behaviour of away fans. If they break them it is the responsibility of the away club to investigate and take action.

 

You may be right, But the behaviour of away fans can imlact the behaviour of home fans. 

 

It can also jeopardise the safety of fans and staff.    So we do have some responsibility.   That is why we have stadium rules.   And if we are going to rigorously enforce them, we should do for everyone, even if the legal responsibility isn’t ours.  

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Just now, Bring Back Paulo Sergio said:

We have a responsibility to keep All visiting supporters safe so stop being deliberately obtuse. Away clubs are merely ticket touts and have no responsibility for anything that within our stadium. If Ann thinks the clubs she's giving tickets to are selling them to people they shouldn't then it's her responsibility to refuse them tickets in the first place. 

 

 

 

 

 

And we keep them safe by forcing them to sit. We do not have "safe-standing", therefore they are unsafe and we must look after them by asking them to sit and, if they refuse, throwing them out for their own safety.

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