Souttar & Uche out for 5/6 months

[Taffin]

26 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

Naismith is already in the team. Who is he replacing?

 

 

Nobody, you said there was no player in the squad better than the 3 out injured. Naismith is better than them all.

 

 

[Pasquale for King]

Just now, Doc Rob said:

It is the most unbelievably bad luck, given the timing, the players involved and the amount of time they will be out,  but it is almost certainly just that. Our medical team weren’t at fault for Souttar’s Achilles tendon, Paterson’s knee or Berra’s hamstring. They might have misdiagnosed Uche’s foot, but whatever is wrong with it, it’s clearly an unusual injury. Players play with niggles all the time - this one was probably thought not to be major, and then (at a guess) they got an MRI when it didn’t clear up.

I’m not entirely sure about that, technology nowadays is so sophisticated that it can tell you if there’s a weakness in an area that could flare up. The amount of times CL says that we can’t really tell what an injury is and the lack the of updates (Godinho is back in training) doesn’t help the situation. Somewhere along the line there’s been a mistake made with Uche, one that shouldn’t have happened and must never be repeated.

[Randy Marsh]

I'm confident Dikamona will be a good enough replacement for Souttar but we are lacking depth up front now.  

Edited October 18, 2018 by Randy Marsh

[robroy1874]

Bit stunned to hear this

[Jingle Bells]

Go to 4-2-3-1 and we should be ok barring any further injuries to forwards or defenders.

 

[Doc Rob]

2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I’m not entirely sure about that, technology nowadays is so sophisticated that it can tell you if there’s a weakness in an area that could flare up. The amount of times CL says that we can’t really tell what an injury is and the lack the of updates (Godinho is back in training) doesn’t help the situation. Somewhere along the line there’s been a mistake made with Uche, one that shouldn’t have happened and must never be repeated.

 

What is this sophisticated technology? I’m pretty sure clubs are still using the same imaging tech the rest of us are, which means ultrasound or MRI. Our own medical team will doubtless have ultrasound, but it has its limitations. They won’t have an MRI scanner, as they cost millions, so they will have to send the player to Spire Murrayfield if there is an ongoing concern.

 

Soft tissue injuries can be notoriously hard to pin down sometimes.

[i8hibsh]

12 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

 

Nobody, you said there was no player in the squad better than the 3 out injured. Naismith is better than them all.

 

 

 

 

You misunderstood me.  Naismith is not a squad player.  He is set in stone in the starting XI.  No-one coming in out from the starting XI is better.

[Taffin]

1 minute ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

You misunderstood me.  Naismith is not a squad player.  He is set in stone in the starting XI.  No-one coming in out from the starting XI is better.

 

 

My apologies in that case; though the first 11 are very much part of the squad to my knowledge.

[colinmaroon]

10 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I’m not entirely sure about that, technology nowadays is so sophisticated that it can tell you if there’s a weakness in an area that could flare up. The amount of times CL says that we can’t really tell what an injury is and the lack the of updates (Godinho is back in training) doesn’t help the situation. Somewhere along the line there’s been a mistake made with Uche, one that shouldn’t have happened and must never be repeated.

 

 

I think you've been watching too many futuristic science fiction films.  The technology we have is great but limited and, as Doc Rob has said, soft tissue is so hard to get a real picture of what might be going on.

 

No doubt technology will continue to develop but, I think trying to make this another Levein critique is disingenuous.

 

 

[redtipsjambo]

How does it work for football teams, is there a private health care insurance policy for players( like some companies have for their employees) so that the best care can be fast tracked or do they just pay medical bills as and when needed

 

[Musemic]

3 minutes ago, redtipsjambo said:

How does it work for football teams, is there a private health care insurance policy for players( like some companies have for their employees) so that the best care can be fast tracked or do they just pay medical bills as and when needed

 

I've no idea but hopefully, as the Souttar injury happened whilst on duty with Scotland,  an agreement exists whereby the SFA (through their insurance) picks up a fairly large part, if not all, of the tab for his recuperation and the wages paid to him by HMFC whilst he's out.  It is, though, the SFA so, going on previous form, I wouldn't bet on it. Uche will be covered by HMFC's own insurance I guess.

[Inch Hearts]

36 minutes ago, Randy Marsh said:

I'm confident Dikamona will be a good enough replacement for Souttar but we are lacking depth up front now.  

 

With all due respect to both player and poster, what makes you think a guy playing for Dagenham a year ago is a suitable replacement for not only a player touted by a lot on here to the EPL to the tune of £5m plus, a Scottish international but also our replacement captain?  Where does the confidence come from? 

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 hour ago, El Diez said:

 

Half of whom you had no doubt slated at some point as being nowhere near good enough. Souttar included. Not sure if he was given some hilarious girls name by yourself??

 

Settle yourself down. You’re acting like an absolute idiot. Shit happens. We’ll get by.

What do you mean acting?

[heartstastic]

26 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

You misunderstood me.  Naismith is not a squad player.  He is set in stone in the starting XI.  No-one coming in out from the starting XI is better.

Isn't that usually how it works?...manager picks strongest eleven. Players replacing anyone in the starting team probably not viewed as good, or they would be in the team in the first place. I think while a little weakend we'll compete just fine and may see the emergence of one or two fringe players stepping up to the mark.

[BigAlim]

This is why we have such a big squad I guess, time for Bozanic, Dikamona, Wighton etc to show what they can do 

[Debut 4]

1 hour ago, Bozi said:

Again 

 

Someone wrap Naismith in cotton wool please

 

 

Won't play against Dundee.

 

Can see CL looking for a big performance this weekend , and of course, the next in the semi by going full strength. Its not ideal but he'll no doubt take a chance and juggle the squad v Dundee 

[i8hibsh]

3 minutes ago, heartstastic said:

Isn't that usually how it works?...manager picks strongest eleven. Players replacing anyone in the starting team probably not viewed as good, or they would be in the team in the first place. I think while a little weakend we'll compete just fine and may see the emergence of one or two fringe players stepping up to the mark.

 

 

Hope you are right.  We will soon see if there is any benefits to our squad size.  Opportunities have now come and they should be taken with determination and gusto.

[Rocky jamboa]

Crap timing with a few big games coming up. 

 

Suppose we can play dikamona for souttar and play naisy further forward.

 

I wonder if there is a big bid coming in january, for souttar and less likely, uche, so we're not wanting to jeopardise that? 

Edited October 18, 2018 by Paulp74

[pettigrewsstylist]

1 hour ago, Cruyff Turn said:

We’re still going to finish top 4 and we still have the chance of at least one cup final. That’s still a good season and meeting the expectations that were laid out before we’d kicked a baw.

 

The chances of us challenging at the top though are now very very slim. Before today they’d have been very good. Current expectations need to be lowered if we’re being pragmatic. 

 

That doesn’t mean to say we’re not a strong side. We’ve got good players and we’ve got guys who need to step up to the plate. It all depends on whether we can adapt and overcome this situation. 

Amen to that. Keep in top 4 hunt till Jan window and hopefully Berra back aswell. 

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Hope you are right.  We will soon see if there is any benefits to our squad size.  Opportunities have now come and they should be taken with determination and gusto.

 

Indeed. Time for folk to step up to the plate. That's the spirit, i8.

[Bazzas right boot]

As a side note, now is the time to get Souttar to sign that extension. 

Every cloud. 

[Pasquale for King]

45 minutes ago, Doc Rob said:

 

What is this sophisticated technology? I’m pretty sure clubs are still using the same imaging tech the rest of us are, which means ultrasound or MRI. Our own medical team will doubtless have ultrasound, but it has its limitations. They won’t have an MRI scanner, as they cost millions, so they will have to send the player to Spire Murrayfield if there is an ongoing concern.

 

Soft tissue injuries can be notoriously hard to pin down sometimes.

I can find out if you’re desperate to know but every aspect of a players fitness is scrutinised, how do they decide or tell the extent of any injury. My point is if the medical team continually can’t diagnose what’s wrong and make mistakes that lead to specialists having to be consulted then they should be replaced. Soft tissue or not we are paying them to do a job and diagnose what’s wrong.

[Bazzas right boot]

6 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Hope you are right.  We will soon see if there is any benefits to our squad size.  Opportunities have now come and they should be taken with determination and gusto.

 

Clearly are benefits or we'd have no cover. 

 

 

[Pasquale for King]

45 minutes ago, colinmaroon said:

 

 

I think you've been watching too many futuristic science fiction films.  The technology we have is great but limited and, as Doc Rob has said, soft tissue is so hard to get a real picture of what might be going on.

 

No doubt technology will continue to develop but, I think trying to make this another Levein critique is disingenuous.

 

 

I would imagine it’s cuttibg edge technology at the new state of the art Oriam facility wouldn’t you? 

Well the buck stops with CL does it not? He either listened to them or didn’t, he chose to play him and his sheepish press conference today implied he felt a little guilty about it. So not disingenuous at all eh?

Edited October 18, 2018 by Pasquale for King

[ramrod]

18 minutes ago, Inch Hearts said:

 

With all due respect to both player and poster, what makes you think a guy playing for Dagenham a year ago is a suitable replacement for not only a player touted by a lot on here to the EPL to the tune of £5m plus, a Scottish international but also our replacement captain?  Where does the confidence come from? 

With Clevid and Hughes we have a chance of absorbing Johns injury till our captain is back . 

Uche wil be a big miss though . We look one dimensional without him . 

Naisy , McClean and Wighton look to similar . 

Maybe 4-3-3 might become an option in the next few months. 

[J.T.F.Robertson]

 

NEXT MAN (men) UP. Mike Tomlin

 

[Guest]

Berra, Vanacek, Brandon, Godhino, Clare and probably now a couple of january signings to come in after january. Keena can also be recalled. We have an exellent young CB in the academy by all accounts.

 

In the shortterm, Naismith will probably play more up front now with Djoum moving back into a central mid position. Wighton will see a chance to be grabbed as will Clevid.

 

We’ll be fine. Only thing is we might play more reserved against celtic and aberdeen coming up, but we still have a better team than when we beat aberdeen away 3-1 with kids and celtic 4-0 at home.

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, Debut 4 said:

Won't play against Dundee.

 

Can see CL looking for a big performance this weekend , and of course, the next in the semi by going full strength. Its not ideal but he'll no doubt take a chance and juggle the squad v Dundee 

 

Full strength vs everyone please. It’s vital to respond to the rangers defeat and this news with resounding wins.

Edited October 18, 2018 by Guest

[Unknown user]

34 minutes ago, Inch Hearts said:

 

With all due respect to both player and poster, what makes you think a guy playing for Dagenham a year ago is a suitable replacement for not only a player touted by a lot on here to the EPL to the tune of £5m plus, a Scottish international but also our replacement captain?  Where does the confidence come from? 

He wasn't playing for Dagenham a year ago, he played in both the Greek and Israeli top leagues last season after leaving Dagenham.

 

[Pasquale for King]

17 minutes ago, ramrod said:

With Clevid and Hughes we have a chance of absorbing Johns injury till our captain is back . 

Uche wil be a big miss though . We look one dimensional without him . 

Naisy , McClean and Wighton look to similar . 

Maybe 4-3-3 might become an option in the next few months. 

Hughes hasn’t played 90 minutes at all this season for any team and Clevid has played two full reserve games. Uche will be missed but we did ok v Motherwell and St J at home, away from home is different though.

[Morgan]

42 minutes ago, Inch Hearts said:

 

With all due respect to both player and poster, what makes you think a guy playing for Dagenham a year ago is a suitable replacement for not only a player touted by a lot on here to the EPL to the tune of £5m plus, a Scottish international but also our replacement captain?  Where does the confidence come from? 

Another wee dig.

 

And this time, a factually incorrect one.

[jamtartan74]

Bad timing with our tough games coming up, we are very unlucky with injuries. It’s not so bad though, (well it is, but) I think we could put Haring back and dikamona is there as well, Bozanic can go in for Haring, push Naismith forward and have Djoum in his role and when Clare is fit he can go into that role. We have options so it could be worse. 

                  Bobby

smith Haring Dunne Garruchio

Morrison Bozanic Lee Mitchell 

        Naismith McLean 

 

thats a team even without Djoum or Clare that I think would do well, it’s a blow but that’s why we built a squad. 

[OTT]

What the actual ****? 

 

[Jambof3tornado]

3 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Did you miss CL saying for the last year that Souttar should be in the Scotland squad? Has the plan to bring players on and sell them passes you by? CL believes international football and caps are more relevant than they are, look at this team of Internationals Doyle/Struna/Alvonitis/Hughes/Oshiniwa/Tzolis/Kitchen/Bauben/Gomis/Watt/Sammon. Souttars  mistakes in the game against lowly ranked Israel show he isn’t quite ready to play at that level even against a poor team. He then gets injured in that game so I would say thar backfired wouldn’t you? 

Hindsight is a wondrous thing. Players can and do get injured all the time. Wanting players to get caps can never be a bad thing.

[GYL]

Hate to say this and sorry if already mentioned but would now.....or soon not me a good time to offer Soapy an extended/improved contract? 

[OTT]

3 minutes ago, GYL said:

Hate to say this and sorry if already mentioned but would now.....or soon not me a good time to offer Soapy an extended/improved contract? 

 

I'd hope Levein has a good enough relationship with Soapy and his family not to need to, but nonetheless it would be an excellent time for Soapy to secure his long term future and for Hearts to tie down a very promising player. 

 

Fingers crossed! Likewise with Uche.

[Samuel Camazzola]

2 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

His own mouth.  There was a (extremely good and candid) Kyle interview posted here recently.  Was like an hour long.  Worth a watch if not seen.

The Simon Ferry one? I can't recall him slating us. I saw him at the beginning of this year at the Gorgie Live event and again he spoke well (although you wouldn't expect any negativity at such an event). 

[Inch Hearts]

46 minutes ago, ramrod said:

With Clevid and Hughes we have a chance of absorbing Johns injury till our captain is back . 

Uche wil be a big miss though . We look one dimensional without him . 

Naisy , McClean and Wighton look to similar . 

Maybe 4-3-3 might become an option in the next few months. 

 

Heres hoping but on paper our backline is now majorly depleted with big matches coming up.  

[Inch Hearts]

28 minutes ago, Morgan said:

Another wee dig.

 

And this time, a factually incorrect one.

 

Pardon me? 

[Inch Hearts]

36 minutes ago, Smithee said:

He wasn't playing for Dagenham a year ago, he played in both the Greek and Israeli top leagues last season after leaving Dagenham.

 

 

Ok, that’s me reassured that he’s more than able to replace Soapy then. 

[Inch Hearts]

18 minutes ago, OTT said:

 

I'd hope Levein has a good enough relationship with Soapy and his family not to need to, but nonetheless it would be an excellent time for Soapy to secure his long term future and for Hearts to tie down a very promising player. 

 

Fingers crossed! Likewise with Uche.

 

Hasn’t Craig been on the record saying that Soapy around now or the end of the season would be ready to be a EPL player? It will take some convincing apart from Loyalty to our manager for him to sign again. 

[dsk1210]

**** sake, do our players dribble round land mines in training.

[i8hibsh]

15 minutes ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

The Simon Ferry one? I can't recall him slating us. I saw him at the beginning of this year at the Gorgie Live event and again he spoke well (although you wouldn't expect any negativity at such an event). 

 

 

No no no. He never slated us. Far far from.it. He just blamed our medical team for his injury.

 

Apologies if misled.

Edited October 18, 2018 by i8hibsh

[Morgan]

Just now, Inch Hearts said:

 

Pardon me? 

He wasn't at Dagenham a year ago.

 

And, I thought you were having a dig at the club.   I'm sure you've done that before, if I'm incorrect, I apologise.

[Notts1874]

1 minute ago, Morgan said:

He wasn't at Dagenham a year ago.

 

And, I thought you were having a dig at the club.   I'm sure you've done that before, if I'm incorrect, I apologise.

You aren't incorrect in either of your points.

[WageThief]

It is remarkable how positive Levein's press conference is/was.  He spent the first few minutes "looking forward" to the Aberdeen game before even mentioning the Souttar/Uche injury.

[Unknown user]

2 minutes ago, Inch Hearts said:

 

Ok, that’s me reassured that he’s more than able to replace Soapy then. 

Hey, I'm just pointing out the factual inaccuracy that you're basing your post on.

The Israeli and Greek top tiers are certainly much higher levels than Dagenham.

[Morgan]

Just now, Notts1874 said:

You aren't incorrect in either of your points.

Thought not.

[Unknown user]

6 minutes ago, Morgan said:

He wasn't at Dagenham a year ago.

 

And, I thought you were having a dig at the club.   I'm sure you've done that before, if I'm incorrect, I apologise.

 

 

I always trust my spidey senses

[Hood09]

This could all be a big rouse and out they both pop for the Celtic game at Murrayfield. Imagine Celtic planning not to play against Uche and then out he pops....