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JudyJudyJudy
3 hours ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said:

 

Have you read about the guy in Belgium? Quite the character. "Slaughtered by a Muslim" is a pretty inflammatory and divisive way of describing him. Fewer and fewer people are linking attacks like this to the wider Islam faith, and rightly so. Still a few to go though. 

These murderers have serous mental health issues. That's never really brought up In these debates 

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3 hours ago, JackLadd said:

 

Well how would you like me to sugar coat it? He was screaming allahu akbar and shot dead three people. The threat in UK is growing exponentially. 379 Islamic terror related arrests in 2017. A year on year rise of 70%. A year since the Manchester outrage. There is a problem here and while Robinson may not be the most savoury of characters he is the result of the scandalous inaction and denial of politicians, especially regards the industrial scale grooming and rape of white girls. 

 

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9 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

These murderers have serous mental health issues. That's never really brought up In these debates 

 

Not all mass-murderers have mental health issues. Some of them, but not all.

 

Adam Lanza, yes.

Omar Mateen, Tashfeen Malik and Syed Farook, no.

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2 minutes ago, peter_hmfc said:

 

Not all mass-murderers have mental health issues. Some of them, but not all.

 

Adam Lanza, yes.

Omar Mateen, Tashfeen Malik and Syed Farook, no.

id sa anyone who murders anyone has some form of mental health issue.  This is exsaberated  by a crazy ideology  ( mainly religious) 

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The profile of the most recent terror attackers across western Europe goes like this:

 

A career petty criminal with a violent past and substance abuse issues who is recruited by jihadis when in prison and goes on the rampage when released.

 

The authorities across Europe need to be keeping a closer eye on their prison systems, as this is where most of the recent heidbangers are coming from.

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2 hours ago, peter_hmfc said:

 

That doesn't mean that he's saying all Muslims are rapists though, does it?

I think that's the image he's trying to project, tbh. 

 

If you think not all Muslims are rapists, why not just call them rapists? 

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2 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

id sa anyone who murders anyone has some form of mental health issue.  This is exsaberated  by a crazy ideology  ( mainly religious) 

 

If that were true all murderers would be in mental institutions.

 

 

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2 hours ago, peter_hmfc said:

 

For all your mockery, will you admit that ultimately the point he is making turned out to be correct?

 

A bit bizarre you'll mock him for saying that when it actually turned out to be true, in one of the worst sex-abuse scandals in recent British history, yet no word from you condemning either the groups themselves, the parts of the Koran that endorse it, or the Prophet Mohammed for marrying a 6 year old and giving religious justification for it. Talk about lowest hanging fruit.

 

Bad news. :(

 

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/3k74vn/an-edl-paedophile-has-been-jailed-for-17-years?utm_campaign=sharebutton

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29 minutes ago, Cade said:

The profile of the most recent terror attackers across western Europe goes like this:

 

A career petty criminal with a violent past and substance abuse issues who is recruited by jihadis when in prison and goes on the rampage when released.

 

The authorities across Europe need to be keeping a closer eye on their prison systems, as this is where most of the recent heidbangers are coming from.

 

Bring back the death penalty. Dead jihadists don't recruit. 

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2 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

id sa anyone who murders anyone has some form of mental health issue.  This is exsaberated  by a crazy ideology  ( mainly religious) 

 

Should Nikolas Cruz and Dimitrios Pagourtzis be declared not guilty by reason of insanity? How about Darren Osborne?

 

40 minutes ago, Cade said:

The profile of the most recent terror attackers across western Europe goes like this:

A career petty criminal with a violent past and substance abuse issues who is recruited by jihadis when in prison and goes on the rampage when released.

The authorities across Europe need to be keeping a closer eye on their prison systems, as this is where most of the recent heidbangers are coming from.

 

"The argument Cameron makes is that, since a considerable proportion of people arrested under terrorism laws in Western countries are well educated and not from poor backgrounds, it cannot be claimed that poverty is one of the main factors that push people towards extremism and terrorism. This is not a new argument. It has been raised by Laqueur [5] and was mentioned in discussion several times during a recent government-run review of the evidence linking various social, psychological, political and economic factors to an increased risk of participation in terrorism."

- Busher, "What do ‘middle class’ terrorists tell us about the link between poverty and terrorism?"

 

9 minutes ago, Sir Vladimir of Romanov said:

 

Bring back the death penalty. Dead jihadists don't recruit. 

 

Do you realise that killing them will make them a martyr and will therefore make it a successful act of jihad? This could encourage others as they see terrorist attempts as a nap certain way to be successful one way or another (whether via a suicide attack, killed by police, or killed by the state). To be killed is part of a successful jihad, you're just giving them what they want.

 

38 minutes ago, Boris said:

I think that's the image he's trying to project, tbh. 

 

If you think not all Muslims are rapists, why not just call them rapists? 

 

Do you think it's just a co-incidence that around 80% of all grooming gang crimes are committed by people who make up just 2% of the population? Or do you think there is a reason that 80% of these crimes happen to be carried out by people of the same background?

 

29 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Let me know when the EDL make up 80% of all paedophilia cases.

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7 minutes ago, Sir Vladimir of Romanov said:

 

Bring back the death penalty. Dead jihadists don't recruit. 

No but they become martyrs .

Which is in itself a recruiting tool.

 

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15 minutes ago, peter_hmfc said:

 

Should Nikolas Cruz and Dimitrios Pagourtzis be declared not guilty by reason of insanity? How about Darren Osborne?

 

 

"The argument Cameron makes is that, since a considerable proportion of people arrested under terrorism laws in Western countries are well educated and not from poor backgrounds, it cannot be claimed that poverty is one of the main factors that push people towards extremism and terrorism. This is not a new argument. It has been raised by Laqueur [5] and was mentioned in discussion several times during a recent government-run review of the evidence linking various social, psychological, political and economic factors to an increased risk of participation in terrorism."

- Busher, "What do ‘middle class’ terrorists tell us about the link between poverty and terrorism?"

 

 

Do you realise that killing them will make them a martyr and will therefore make it a successful act of jihad? This could encourage others as they see terrorist attempts as a nap certain way to be successful one way or another (whether via a suicide attack, killed by police, or killed by the state). To be killed is part of a successful jihad, you're just giving them what they want.

 

 

Do you think it's just a co-incidence that around 80% of all grooming gang crimes are committed by people who make up just 2% of the population? Or do you think there is a reason that 80% of these crimes happen to be carried out by people of the same background?

 

 

Let me know when the EDL make up 80% of all paedophilia cases.

 

Is it not something like 90 -95% of people convicted for sexual crimes in England and Wales are white?

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Just now, Space Mackerel said:

 

Is it not something like 90 -95% of people convicted for sexual crimes in England and Wales are white?

 

Given that whites make up around 87.2% of the population of the UK that's nowhere near as astounding as 2% making up 85% of grooming offences.

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Space Mackerel
4 minutes ago, peter_hmfc said:

 

Given that whites make up around 87.2% of the population of the UK that's nowhere near as astounding as 2% making up 85% of grooming offences.

 

Ahhhhh, paedos and rapists don't count in your stats.  :fing10:

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peter_hmfc
7 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Ahhhhh, paedos and rapists don't count in your stats.  :fing10:

 

You've outdone yourself by making even less sense than usual.

 

Are you stating that 2% making up 85% is no problem, but 87% making up 90-95% is an epidemic?

 

The percentage of offences carried out by whites is similar to that of the white population percentage-wise, it's the extraordinary statistics behind grooming offences that's so shocking.

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Why does the religion of people convicted of crimes matter so much to some people.

If they are guilty they should feel the full force of the law no matter what.

We are all meant to be equal aren't we ?

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Just now, luckydug said:

Why does the religion of people convicted of crimes matter so much to some people.

If they are guilty they should feel the full force of the law no matter what.

We are all meant to be equal aren't we ?

 

Industrial financial fraud is probably carried out by white Christian people the most in this country.

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3 hours ago, Boris said:

Very Christian of you. 

 

Bollocks. 

In all good grace Boris, your argument makes no logical sense.

However supposing hypothetically speaking that it did, then you have clearly missed the triple layered irony to which your comment alludes. This with respect to your previous confessions on this thread.

It would help if you were able to draw attention to comment from the article to which you express a different opinion. Or perhaps you find any view other than your own unacceptable, regardless.

 

 

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If a Pakistani man had been jailed for speaking out against the racist rape and trafficking of Pakistani children by gangs of white men then I'd guarantee this Would be a thread where unanimous condemnation would be expressed.

 

The fact that it's not is based on political leaning and not what is right or wrong.

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16 minutes ago, jake said:

If a Pakistani man had been jailed for speaking out against the racist rape and trafficking of Pakistani children by gangs of white men then I'd guarantee this Would be a thread where unanimous condemnation would be expressed.

 

The fact that it's not is based on political leaning and not what is right or wrong.

Also the world view of many is formed retrospectively and solely from the truth that is the BBC/ITV News.

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27 minutes ago, jake said:

If a Pakistani man had been jailed for speaking out against the racist rape and trafficking of Pakistani children by gangs of white men then I'd guarantee this Would be a thread where unanimous condemnation would be expressed.

 

The fact that it's not is based on political leaning and not what is right or wrong.

Robinson isn't in jail for speaking out against anything, he's in jail for contempt of court, again, something he admitted to.

Reporting restrictions were in place to ensure fair trials, so that the last defendant would have as fair a trial as the first, something common in cases with multiple defendants - they can't all be heard at once of course. These restrictions were to be lifted once the last trial was complete, that way there could be no mistrials, no giant wastes of public money, and justice could be done.

 

We now run the risk of mistrials and massive expense for the public purse, not to mention that the defendants' lawyers will now be able to argue they can't receive a fair trial. All he had to do was keep it in his pants til the trials were over, then he could disapprove all he liked.

 

It's hugely misleading to say he's in jail for speaking out when he's in jail for breaking reporting restrictions, again.

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14 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Robinson isn't in jail for speaking out against anything, he's in jail for contempt of court, again, something he admitted to.

Reporting restrictions were in place to ensure fair trials, so that the last defendant would have as fair a trial as the first, something common in cases with multiple defendants - they can't all be heard at once of course. These restrictions were to be lifted once the last trial was complete, that way there could be no mistrials, no giant wastes of public money, and justice could be done.

 

We now run the risk of mistrials and massive expense for the public purse, not to mention that the defendants' lawyers will now be able to argue they can't receive a fair trial. All he had to do was keep it in his pants til the trials were over, then he could disapprove all he liked.

 

It's hugely misleading to say he's in jail for speaking out when he's in jail for breaking reporting restrictions, again.

It is beyond doubt the public knowledge of this case.

And what's most important is the endemic occurrence of white children being groomed for sexual exploitation by Pakistani men.

This is the racist profiling by these beasts that's being apologised for.

And you are guilty of it.

 

I say again.

 

If Tommy Robinson was called Mohammed and protesting the rape murder sexual trafficking on an industrial scale of Pakistani children you would be celebrating him.

 

Shall we remind ourselves of the teenage girl who had her tongue nailed to a table across from an Oxford mosque.

 

Or shall we remind ourselves of contempt of court.

 

There is a modus operandi amongst gangs of Pakistani men in England and to a lesser extent Scotland.

 

 

I posted over a year ago about those in the health service being warned to look out for this in Edinburgh.

White vulnerable children and those with learning disabled.

Primarily the skin colour is the first indication of other than gender for targeting.

 

But you feel free to defend a cultural acceptable presumption that it's those who react to these racist crimes as racist.

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Just now, jake said:

It is beyond doubt the public knowledge of this case.

And what's most important is the endemic occurrence of white children being groomed for sexual exploitation by Pakistani men.

This is the racist profiling by these beasts that's being apologised for.

And you are guilty of it.

 

I say again.

 

If Tommy Robinson was called Mohammed and protesting the rape murder sexual trafficking on an industrial scale of Pakistani children you would be celebrating him.

 

Shall we remind ourselves of the teenage girl who had her tongue nailed to a table across from an Oxford mosque.

 

Or shall we remind ourselves of contempt of court.

 

There is a modus operandi amongst gangs of Pakistani men in England and to a lesser extent Scotland.

 

 

I posted over a year ago about those in the health service being warned to look out for this in Edinburgh.

White vulnerable children and those with learning disabled.

Primarily the skin colour is the first indication of other than gender for targeting.

 

But you feel free to defend a cultural acceptable presumption that it's those who react to these racist crimes as racist.

Robinson's in jail for breaking reporting restrictions, again. End of story.

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23 hours ago, JackLadd said:

People hating on him need to explain the 15% (13,200) overwhelming male Muslims in the prison system vs the population 4.4%. And yes hundreds are inside for grooming as well as other sexual and terror related activity. Then they need to go spend some time in Luton or similar towns. Especially as a white female. 

 

Not really, it's perfectly plausible to find him detestable while agreeing he might be highlighting an important, under reported issue. They aren't mutually exclusive. 

 

6 hours ago, peter_hmfc said:

 

:spoton: He's not the most sophisticated but there's not many people willing to say what he's saying.

 

 

Personally I don't know, but dismissing everyone who raises and discusses the problem instantly as outright racists, bigots and Islamophobes whilst making excuses and apologising for actual crimes is not an ideal method.

 

It feels like both sides are arguing the same point from their perspective with this one but actually most folk agree that, not everyone who raises this issue is racist and not every Muslim is a terrorist/rapist or whatever. 

 

Out of interest Peter, do you have the source of the 80 odd percent figure you quoted to hand? 

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5 minutes ago, jake said:

It is beyond doubt the public knowledge of this case.

And what's most important is the endemic occurrence of white children being groomed for sexual exploitation by Pakistani men.

This is the racist profiling by these beasts that's being apologised for.

And you are guilty of it.

 

I say again.

 

If Tommy Robinson was called Mohammed and protesting the rape murder sexual trafficking on an industrial scale of Pakistani children you would be celebrating him.

 

Shall we remind ourselves of the teenage girl who had her tongue nailed to a table across from an Oxford mosque.

 

Or shall we remind ourselves of contempt of court.

 

There is a modus operandi amongst gangs of Pakistani men in England and to a lesser extent Scotland.

 

 

I posted over a year ago about those in the health service being warned to look out for this in Edinburgh.

White vulnerable children and those with learning disabled.

Primarily the skin colour is the first indication of other than gender for targeting.

 

But you feel free to defend a cultural acceptable presumption that it's those who react to these racist crimes as racist.

 

The beasts you refer to are in court facing justice, right? What more do you want? Is that not enough? Are you not convinced the procedure for dealing with criminal activity as it stands is enough? Can you name me one example where preventative measures based on race, religion, ethnicity, or anything else have delivered justice? Because I can name you a few that have resulted in some of the darkest episodes in human history?

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1 minute ago, Smithee said:

Robinson's in jail for breaking reporting restrictions, again. End of story.

No it's not the end of the story .

Because the reason so many children were allowed to be raped beaten trafficked is precisely because no one spoke out.

And that is the beginning of this crime.

Racially motivated rape of children.

That the authorities you choose to let deal with this crime ignored because of your political leanings.

 

And because of that other racists like the Pakistani child rapists thrived.

 

The end of the story will be when the rape torture and murder of children is viewed as more serious than the sensitivity of politically correct shite.

 

 

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Eldar Hadzimehmedovic
3 minutes ago, jake said:

 

 

The end of the story will be when the rape torture and murder of children is viewed as more serious than the sensitivity of politically correct shite.

 

 

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It is. By miles. You seem to feel as if being happy Robinson has been jailed means that people are accepting child sexual abuse. That's ludicrous on so many levels.

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2 minutes ago, jake said:

No it's not the end of the story .

Because the reason so many children were allowed to be raped beaten trafficked is precisely because no one spoke out.

And that is the beginning of this crime.

Racially motivated rape of children.

That the authorities you choose to let deal with this crime ignored because of your political leanings.

 

And because of that other racists like the Pakistani child rapists thrived.

 

The end of the story will be when the rape torture and murder of children is viewed as more serious than the sensitivity of politically correct shite.

 

 

 

It's nothing to do with political correctness, it's to make sure that there are fair trials and no possibility of the guilty being let off because of prejudiced jurors. All he had to do was wait for the trials to be over THEN say what he wanted to say and he'd still be free.

 

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1 minute ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said:

 

The beasts you refer to are in court facing justice, right? What more do you want? Is that not enough? Are you not convinced the procedure for dealing with criminal activity as it stands is enough? Can you name me one example where preventative measures based on race, religion, ethnicity, or anything else have delivered justice? Because I can name you a few that have resulted in some of the darkest episodes in human history?

And tell me how long did that take?

Who highlighted this?

 

Remember these cases came to light and were ignored since when.

 

And still it goes on.

Still you and others deny the racist overtones of these crimes but trip over yourself to go for it over contempt of court.

 

You expect those who have experienced 3 generations of child abuse to trust the courts?

 

Please .

 

Example.

A mother in Manchester who herself had experienced the same abuse expelled from a social work meeting about her daughter being raped because she referred to the beasts as "*******".

 

Source the investigating officer removed and reinstated .

Removed because she saw it as a Pakistani problem reinstated after protests from white people.

 

I say again swap colour of skin and you and others would change tune.

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3 minutes ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said:

 

It is. By miles. You seem to feel as if being happy Robinson has been jailed means that people are accepting child sexual abuse. That's ludicrous on so many levels.

Not going by the response it's not.

Tommy Robinson gets far more vitriol than any beast from you and others of the same politic.

 

I ask you again is breaking the law for the greater good acceptable?

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4 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

It's nothing to do with political correctness, it's to make sure that there are fair trials and no possibility of the guilty being let off because of prejudiced jurors. All he had to do was wait for the trials to be over THEN say what he wanted to say and he'd still be free.

 

Be honest Smithee that's not why you are nipped.

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Just now, jake said:

Not going by the response it's not.

Tommy Robinson gets far more vitriol than any beast from you and others of the same politic.

 

I ask you again is breaking the law for the greater good acceptable?

 

Tommy Robinson gets more vitriol from me than child sexual abusers? Eh, I think you'll just have to take my word for it that that's not true.

 

So you want some kind of vigilantism to stop crimes? Cool. Can't agree though.

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6 minutes ago, jake said:

Be honest Smithee that's not why you are nipped.

I'm perfectly calm, and sober too. 

The only reason I'm disagreeing with you is that you're talking shit about why he's in jail, although I do also have a problem with the apparent rush to paint more than 2.5 million UK Muslims in a negative light because of a tiny minority's disgusting actions.

I don't care if you think I'm being honest or not. 

 

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1 minute ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said:

 

Tommy Robinson gets more vitriol from me than child sexual abusers? Eh, I think you'll just have to take my word for it that that's not true.

 

So you want some kind of vigilantism to stop crimes? Cool. Can't agree though.

No I don't.

I don't want it to be allowed the rape torture and murder of children because of the colour of their skin.

And I do not want the absolvement of the criminals because the colour of theirs.

That's racism.

 

To protest it is not.

 

And to excuse it in any form is culpable.

 

It was excused by

 

The police who said the children were complicit despite being legally unable to do so

 

It was excused by social work health professionals child services elected politicians

 

And not only excused but justified by the wider British Pakistani community and the religious clerics.

 

And now the labour movement who ostracized any brave enough to speak out.

 

Children sacrificed because it's politically more correct to beat up on a guy who was uneducated working class but took a stand.

And has backing from anti racists.

 

But I will be upfront if being a vigilante means I could protect a child from my side of the street from a racist rapist cowardly beast who hides behind his religion.

 

Count me in.

Because I doubt that white bairn would get protected fro you or authority.

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Just now, Smithee said:

I'm perfectly calm, and sober too. 

The only reason I'm disagreeing with you is that you're talking shit about why he's in jail, although I do also have a problem with the apparent rush to paint more than 2.5 million UK Muslims in a negative light because of a tiny minority's disgusting actions.

I don't care if you think I'm being honest or not. 

 

I didn't mention Muslims .

You did.

And I think it's plain I've got addiction issues so nice one pointing that out as a argument.

I've got plenty faults.

Please argue my arguments not me.

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9 minutes ago, jake said:

I didn't mention Muslims .

You did.

And I think it's plain I've got addiction issues so nice one pointing that out as a argument.

I've got plenty faults.

Please argue my arguments not me.

It might be plain to you jake, I know nothing about you or your addiction, but I have no wish to harm anyone so I'll steer clear from now on.

 

My final word on your arguments - he's in jail for contempt of court, namely breaking reporting restrictions. No matter how many emotive arguments you throw at it, those are the facts of his sentence and imprisonment. 

 

Good luck to you. 

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3 minutes ago, Smithee said:

It might be plain to you jake, I know nothing about you or your addiction, but I have no wish to harm anyone so I'll steer clear from now on.

 

My final word on your arguments - he's in jail for contempt of court, namely breaking reporting restrictions. No matter how many emotive arguments you throw at it, those are the facts of his sentence and imprisonment. 

 

Good luck to you. 

I got touchy on your sober remark.

 

I'd appreciate if you didn't stay clear.

 

Although we know nothing about each other you I think are sound.

 

I get het up about a few things on here and this subject is one of them.

I hope you feel free to rip intae me anytime.

 

Was a cheap shot from me so I'm sorry.

 

And yes I miss the point a lot .

 

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38 minutes ago, The Brow said:

So aye, UKIP completely miss the point of why he was jailed. 

 

Sound. 

 

 

They aren't the only ones, it would seem.

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1 hour ago, alfajambo said:

 

Do alls these white priests monsters mean all white Catholics are monsters? Or all white Brits after the yewtree filth?

Was Tommy outside churches , parliament and the trials of these priests ? No he's a racist scumbag. 

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He didn't have to be outside court for their trials, the mainstream media seemed to cover it pretty well, something they don't seem to be doing in the grooming gang cases.

Remember the bbc helicopter over Cliff Richards house (innocent) for the police raid?

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1 hour ago, Adam Murray said:

He didn't have to be outside court for their trials, the mainstream media seemed to cover it pretty well, something they don't seem to be doing in the grooming gang cases.

Remember the bbc helicopter over Cliff Richards house (innocent) for the police raid?

 

Isn't the point about the lack of media attention related to why Tommy Robinson ended up in contempt of court?  The accused aren't tried at the same time, so if the first case is heavily exposed to the media, then the second case could become corrupted.  The State wants convictions and no one to get out on a technicality based around not getting a fair trial.

 

The Cliff Richard thing was scandalous, but even in this post Levison world, the media get away with far too much.

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7 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

Isn't the point about the lack of media attention related to why Tommy Robinson ended up in contempt of court?  The accused aren't tried at the same time, so if the first case is heavily exposed to the media, then the second case could become corrupted.  The State wants convictions and no one to get out on a technicality based around not getting a fair trial.

 

The Cliff Richard thing was scandalous, but even in this post Levison world, the media get away with far too much.

 

I meant to quote the post above mine Boris, asking why he's not outside court when priests, celebs etc are being tried.

Is it not the case with the yewtree scandal though that many of these people were named before anything even got to court, before any charges were brought?

Does seem a little inconsistent with the cases of which Robinson reports on.

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2 minutes ago, Adam Murray said:

 

I meant to quote the post above mine Boris, asking why he's not outside court when priests, celebs etc are being tried.

Is it not the case with the yewtree scandal though that many of these people were named before anything even got to court, before any charges were brought?

Does seem a little inconsistent with the cases of which Robinson reports on.

 

I'm not sure if the Yewtree stuff and the individuals concerned were ever interlinked, or a "gang", as such, and so in that sense comparing the two, and the legal complexities attached, is perhaps not treating like with like?

 

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10 minutes ago, Adam Murray said:

 

I meant to quote the post above mine Boris, asking why he's not outside court when priests, celebs etc are being tried.

Is it not the case with the yewtree scandal though that many of these people were named before anything even got to court, before any charges were brought?

Does seem a little inconsistent with the cases of which Robinson reports on.

 

 

All world issues are not his concern and he makes no claims to the contrary. He is a commentator for free speech, anti- Islamisation and mass immigration. I am sure he feels as strongly as us all about child rape as a whole but that is not his angle. Does any journalist cover every single event?

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