Hybrid Pitch

[SMJ_1874]

3 minutes ago, Boris5115 said:

I was on the stadium tour October 2019 and the tour guide defo said that it was sabotage on the builders behalf claiming that they must have been hibs fans. That aside I can't believe it's not be restored to its former glory by now. As we are on the Hybrid Pitch thread does anyone know if its had the top chopped off yet. 

If it was sabotage and if that was said at the tour then why have we not taken the builder to task and made him pay for this damage. The only sabotage I see is that it was left unprotected whilst demolition works were carried out and the dirt and sit Ingres have exacerbated an already worn classic icon from our history. 

The club should be addressing this and making a statement to clear any unfounded rumours up. I’m surprised we just accepted its fate if rumours are true. 
 

I’d happily put my hand in my pocket, along with countless others, to see this restored.  It’s a highly skilled and sensitive operation to restore this to its former  glory but it can and should be be done. 

[Boris5115]

11 minutes ago, Saughton Jambo said:

If it was sabotage and if that was said at the tour then why have we not taken the builder to task and made him pay for this damage. The only sabotage I see is that it was left unprotected whilst demolition works were carried out and the dirt and sit Ingres have exacerbated an already worn classic icon from our history. 

The club should be addressing this and making a statement to clear any unfounded rumours up. I’m surprised we just accepted its fate if rumours are true. 
 

I’d happily put my hand in my pocket, along with countless others, to see this restored.  It’s a highly skilled and sensitive operation to restore this to its former  glory but it can and should be be done. 

Only quoting what was said by the guide pal. I read others saying the same thing. Regardless true or not and if not true I can't understand for the life of me why he would claim this it should have been sorted by now. 

[SMJ_1874]

6 minutes ago, Boris5115 said:

Only quoting what was said by the guide pal. I read others saying the same thing. Regardless true or not and if not true I can't understand for the life of me why he would claim this it should have been sorted by now. 

I’m not doubting you or others mate and I’ve no reason not to believe you as it’s been stated by a few posters on here. It’s a disgrace we have accepted this if I’m honest.

 

I got a chance to examine this piece of history in person and carefully looked at this on my hand and knees for about an hour. I also touched every piece and made notes as to the roughness, where it’s damaged and the smoothness of the pieces unaffected. I also looked at this  from more than one angle.  I made enquires of my own back as how this could be repaired and restored and spoke with tile manufacturers about restoration and the process of cleaning and the re-sealing of our icon. 
 

I was also told our icon hadn’t been deliberately sabotaged,  so like you I can only state what I was told. The damage though isn’t permanent and can be rectified if the correct measures are put in place.
 

I feel the club though have other more important issues to address at the moment. Possibly when arbitration is over, maybe the museum staff will take the appropriate measures to address this and set the wheels in motion. Wouldn’t do any harm for a statement from the museum to ask for donations to help clean and restore this. 

[Boris5115]

Whatever the reason its in this condition it was like this long before Covid started playing havoc to life as we know it. Defo should have been sorted by now. I would hope that by not dealing with it sooner it won't deteriorate further and make the restoration more difficult. 

[kila]

Can add cleaning the mosaic to the same list that has painting the stand walls maroon

[Guest]

I got the impression it was more that the builders didn't give a shit rather than a deliberate sabotage. Regardless, they were negligent and the rectification costs should be borne by them, or most likely their Public Liability insurers

[Boris5115]

6 minutes ago, kila said:

Can add cleaning the mosaic to the same list that has painting the stand walls maroon

Add some new white anti slip paint to the stepps too. Fed up slipping in the Wheatfield. 

[Cruyff]

Why wasn't that Mosiac covered with glass or clear epoxy? 🤔 

[Thomaso]

5 hours ago, Fun Boaby said:

I got the impression it was more that the builders didn't give a shit rather than a deliberate sabotage. Regardless, they were negligent and the rectification costs should be borne by them, or most likely their Public Liability insurers

The architect and club were negligent in that they did not ensure the mosaic was protected properly. 

[Thomaso]

6 hours ago, Boris5115 said:

I was on the stadium tour October 2019 and the tour guide defo said that it was sabotage on the builders behalf claiming that they must have been hibs fans. That aside I can't believe it's not be restored to its former glory by now. As we are on the Hybrid Pitch thread does anyone know if its had the top chopped off yet. 

The tour guide was talking nonsense.

[Boris5115]

6 hours ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

The tour guide was talking nonsense.

Strong statement Cruicky. Why would he be telling porkies and what makes you so sure about this. 

 

[Jambo61]

Maybe Historic Scotland could advise, sure the Romans did something similar for us!

[Thomaso]

2 hours ago, Boris5115 said:

Strong statement Cruicky. Why would he be telling porkies and what makes you so sure about this. 

 

Because I was involved in the stand construction Boris.

[kila]

What's happened to the £1m pitch? It isn't in great condition again is it... Fir Park on the other hand looked immaculate today. I know Scotland (Women) played at Tynecastle a couple of weeks ago, but it's hardly been used with a late start to the season. What were the Motherwell groundkeepers able to do during the pandemic that Hearts weren't?

 

This pitch is meant to be one of the most high-tech in the world with all the monitoring and controls. It was like a rug in winter two seasons ago though if I remember right the company that installed the pitch help with maintenance during the first year.

 

Last season it was supposedly the Edinburgh Festival concert wrecking the grass, and the tight schedule meaning the pitch couldn't be 'skimmed' and new grass spawn. So has 'skimming' not happened again this year?

 

[And he’s not praying!]

Deteriorated badly after kick off.

 

No idea what the issue is but given the amount of football played on it since March, it really should be coping better.

[maroonsgotop]

looks to be cutting up very easily and doesn't look to be on the same level as other pitches of similar ilk. No idea what the issue is but it's had plenty time to be fully sorted by now surely. Disappointing to say the least

[Jambo61]

5 minutes ago, And he’s not praying! said:

Deteriorated badly after kick off.

 

No idea what the issue is but given the amount of football played on it since March, it really should be coping better.

They water it before games then half the players spend half their time on their backsides!

 

I walked on it last year and said at the time it is like concrete and forces your ankle over for some reason?

[And he’s not praying!]

Just now, Jambo61 said:

They water it before games then half the players spend half their time on their backsides!

 

I walked on it last year and said at the time it is like concrete and forces your ankle over for some reason?

Loads of incidences of players falling over.

 

Looked really heavy.

[stotty]

Pitch looked really bad, considering it's barely been played on. Something is wrong with it, whatever it is, the club need to get to the bottom of it. 

[gordiegords]

As far as I know after the first year we didn’t spend on the upkeep from the company to maintain it to the highest standard.

[kila]

13 minutes ago, gordiegords said:

As far as I know after the first year we didn’t spend on the upkeep from the company to maintain it to the highest standard.

 

What additional steps/costs are involved in maintaining it to the highest standard?

[Hømme]

Was it maintained properly over the summer though? The maintenance team may have been on furlough along with Hearts staff?

[Thomaso]

1 hour ago, kila said:

What's happened to the £1m pitch? It isn't in great condition again is it... Fir Park on the other hand looked immaculate today. I know Scotland (Women) played at Tynecastle a couple of weeks ago, but it's hardly been used with a late start to the season. What were the Motherwell groundkeepers able to do during the pandemic that Hearts weren't?

 

This pitch is meant to be one of the most high-tech in the world with all the monitoring and controls. It was like a rug in winter two seasons ago though if I remember right the company that installed the pitch help with maintenance during the first year.

 

Last season it was supposedly the Edinburgh Festival concert wrecking the grass, and the tight schedule meaning the pitch couldn't be 'skimmed' and new grass spawn. So has 'skimming' not happened again this year?

 

Frankly this has been going on for some time. There were questions asked regarding the state of the pitch pitch previously which resulted in much acrimony on here.

Seemingly the pitch was being soaked prior to the match which resulted in a slippy surface that cut up badly.

[ShedBoy]

I’m not sure (I may be wrong) that the pitch is where the £1 million went. As I understood it, the foundations, under soil heating, irrigation lines and drainage was where the money went? The pitch itself is a bog standard hybrid pitch sitting on top?

[Thomaso]

7 minutes ago, ShedBoy said:

I’m not sure (I may be wrong) that the pitch is where the £1 million went. As I understood it, the foundations, under soil heating, irrigation lines and drainage was where the money went? The pitch itself is a bog standard hybrid pitch sitting on top?

The £1m was spent on the complete reconstruction including drainage, sub- structure, etc. The hybrid pitch is hardly “bog standard” as very few clubs in Scotland have it.

[gordiegords]

8 hours ago, kila said:

 

What additional steps/costs are involved in maintaining it to the highest standard?

I think it’s something to do with skimming, I know a guy who works for the company so I’ll ask him.

[kingantti1874]

Yep, have to say I thought with a summer to heal it would be fine.. but it’s nol.. our pitch does the very thing hybrid pitches are not supposed to do, it cuts up.. and it’s cuts up worse than non hybrid pitches.. totally bizarre. 

[Penrices left boot]

Pitch oot! 

 

Have the players or manager said anything about the pitch?

Robbo or Robbie never mentioned it after the game as an issue. 

 

[McCrae]

The over watering off our pitch won't help our game, it makes it harder to control the ball and will even things up when we play against other teams. 

 

[Sarah O]

For as long as I can remember the pitch is cut immediately after a game. Even at the height of winter. 

 

Always strikes me as a bit odd. It's surely not grown much in one day in February.

[kingantti1874]

10 minutes ago, Sarah O said:

For as long as I can remember the pitch is cut immediately after a game. Even at the height of winter. 

 

Always strikes me as a bit odd. It's surely not grown much in one day in February.

I’ve asked this before, I was told the blades are high and they are essentially hoovering it, to remove debris and make the blades stand up..

 

still something is very wrong. 

[mre]

Our pitch certainly looks one of the worst. The area in front of wheatfield b/c in particular you can see outline of pipes 😕. 

 

There did seem to be a lot of players slipping on their arses. 

 

If there was ever a time to get it sorted out it should be now during the pandemic. We could play our games at oriam. 

[Thomaso]

9 hours ago, BarneyBattles said:

But the point is they wouldn’t have watered it unless they thought that was the way to go to make it the best it could be. 
 

It looks shit and cuts up so there’s obviously an underlying issue. 
 

I assume Hearts will be discussing this with the supplying company because quite frankly we’ve been sold a dud. 

The question is were we sold a “dud” or is the problem the way we are maintaining it?

[davemclaren]

2 hours ago, McCrae said:

The over watering off our pitch won't help our game, it makes it harder to control the ball and will even things up when we play against other teams. 

 

I assume Robbie disagrees. 

[William H. Bonney]

12 hours ago, kila said:

 

What additional steps/costs are involved in maintaining it to the highest standard?

pitch fork at half time. 

[Koolkeith]

Pitch is in poor condition given the money spent. another poorly executed project by Budge.

[j1964m]

Think this pitch has been really bad since it was laid we did need a new playing surface but this has be a waste of money

[davemclaren]

10 minutes ago, j1964m said:

Think this pitch has been really bad since it was laid we did need a new playing surface but this has be a waste of money

It is better than the previous pitch but not as resilient as I hoped/expected. 

[McCrae]

1 hour ago, davemclaren said:

I assume Robbie disagrees. 

You are probably right... shame it helped with the Inverness goal...skidding off the wet surface.

[davemclaren]

19 minutes ago, McCrae said:

You are probably right... shame it helped with the Inverness goal...skidding off the wet surface.

Probably hoped we would use it to a similar advantage. Sadly not though. 

[DETTY29]

28 minutes ago, McCrae said:

You are probably right... shame it helped with the Inverness goal...skidding off the wet surface.

Think we can put that more down to White not pressing the cross enough and Lee standing off Dorans.

 

 

Edited November 9, 2020 by DETTY29

[McCrae]

25 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Think we can put that more down to White not pressing the cross enough and Lee standing off Dorans.

 

 

 

All contributory factors

[DETTY29]

6 minutes ago, McCrae said:

 

All contributory factors

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[The Treasurer]

5 hours ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

The question is were we sold a “dud” or is the problem the way we are maintaining it?

Maybe not sold a dud as such, but maybe the installation wasn't up to standard.

Or, as you say, we're not maintaining it correctly.

Either way I expected better for the £1m investment

[jambo-in-furness]

6 hours ago, mre said:

Our pitch certainly looks one of the worst. The area in front of wheatfield b/c in particular you can see outline of pipes 😕. 

 

There did seem to be a lot of players slipping on their arses. 

 

If there was ever a time to get it sorted out it should be now during the pandemic. We could play our games at oriam. 

 

I think the “outline of pipes” may be where the players repeatedly ran over the same grass during warm up.

[Hungry hippo]

3 hours ago, DETTY29 said:

Think we can put that more down to White not pressing the cross enough and Lee standing off Dorans.

 

 

White shouldn't have had to mark both to guy taking and receiving the throw in.

[Neil Dongcaster]

Our procurement of everything from seats, to pitches to football players has been ****ing atrocious.

[Bill Sikes]

1 minute ago, Neil Dongcaster said:

Our procurement of everything from seats, to pitches to football players has been ****ing atrocious.

 

Can't moan about results currently so let's take a trip down memory lane.

 

Totally predictable.

[Jamboelite]

1 hour ago, The Treasurer said:

Maybe not sold a dud as such, but maybe the installation wasn't up to standard.

Or, as you say, we're not maintaining it correctly.

Either way I expected better for the £1m investment

The company are one of the top ones to lay this type of surface but it was done at pace and then we made an arse of it with the concert.

 

There is definitely an issue and it needs sorted.

[Boris5115]

Pitch was fantastic in its first year but since then something is not right at all. The recovery time that it had in lockdown was double the time it would normally have had but that seems to have made no difference at all. So who has the answers as to what is going so wrong. I also thought that Darkheid looked in poor condition during the Sparta game last week which is the same surface as ours. Fir Park on the other hand was immaculate yesterday and its not Hybrid.