SMJ_1874 Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boris5115 said: I was on the stadium tour October 2019 and the tour guide defo said that it was sabotage on the builders behalf claiming that they must have been hibs fans. That aside I can't believe it's not be restored to its former glory by now. As we are on the Hybrid Pitch thread does anyone know if its had the top chopped off yet. If it was sabotage and if that was said at the tour then why have we not taken the builder to task and made him pay for this damage. The only sabotage I see is that it was left unprotected whilst demolition works were carried out and the dirt and sit Ingres have exacerbated an already worn classic icon from our history. The club should be addressing this and making a statement to clear any unfounded rumours up. I’m surprised we just accepted its fate if rumours are true. I’d happily put my hand in my pocket, along with countless others, to see this restored. It’s a highly skilled and sensitive operation to restore this to its former glory but it can and should be be done. Quote
Boris5115 Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, Saughton Jambo said: If it was sabotage and if that was said at the tour then why have we not taken the builder to task and made him pay for this damage. The only sabotage I see is that it was left unprotected whilst demolition works were carried out and the dirt and sit Ingres have exacerbated an already worn classic icon from our history. The club should be addressing this and making a statement to clear any unfounded rumours up. I’m surprised we just accepted its fate if rumours are true. I’d happily put my hand in my pocket, along with countless others, to see this restored. It’s a highly skilled and sensitive operation to restore this to its former glory but it can and should be be done. Only quoting what was said by the guide pal. I read others saying the same thing. Regardless true or not and if not true I can't understand for the life of me why he would claim this it should have been sorted by now. Quote
SMJ_1874 Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, Boris5115 said: Only quoting what was said by the guide pal. I read others saying the same thing. Regardless true or not and if not true I can't understand for the life of me why he would claim this it should have been sorted by now. I’m not doubting you or others mate and I’ve no reason not to believe you as it’s been stated by a few posters on here. It’s a disgrace we have accepted this if I’m honest. I got a chance to examine this piece of history in person and carefully looked at this on my hand and knees for about an hour. I also touched every piece and made notes as to the roughness, where it’s damaged and the smoothness of the pieces unaffected. I also looked at this from more than one angle. I made enquires of my own back as how this could be repaired and restored and spoke with tile manufacturers about restoration and the process of cleaning and the re-sealing of our icon. I was also told our icon hadn’t been deliberately sabotaged, so like you I can only state what I was told. The damage though isn’t permanent and can be rectified if the correct measures are put in place. I feel the club though have other more important issues to address at the moment. Possibly when arbitration is over, maybe the museum staff will take the appropriate measures to address this and set the wheels in motion. Wouldn’t do any harm for a statement from the museum to ask for donations to help clean and restore this. Quote
Boris5115 Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 Whatever the reason its in this condition it was like this long before Covid started playing havoc to life as we know it. Defo should have been sorted by now. I would hope that by not dealing with it sooner it won't deteriorate further and make the restoration more difficult. Quote
kila Posted July 26, 2020 Author Posted July 26, 2020 Can add cleaning the mosaic to the same list that has painting the stand walls maroon Quote
Guest Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 I got the impression it was more that the builders didn't give a shit rather than a deliberate sabotage. Regardless, they were negligent and the rectification costs should be borne by them, or most likely their Public Liability insurers Quote
Boris5115 Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, kila said: Can add cleaning the mosaic to the same list that has painting the stand walls maroon Add some new white anti slip paint to the stepps too. Fed up slipping in the Wheatfield. Quote
Cruyff Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 Why wasn't that Mosiac covered with glass or clear epoxy? 🤔 Quote
Thomaso Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Fun Boaby said: I got the impression it was more that the builders didn't give a shit rather than a deliberate sabotage. Regardless, they were negligent and the rectification costs should be borne by them, or most likely their Public Liability insurers The architect and club were negligent in that they did not ensure the mosaic was protected properly. Quote
Thomaso Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 6 hours ago, Boris5115 said: I was on the stadium tour October 2019 and the tour guide defo said that it was sabotage on the builders behalf claiming that they must have been hibs fans. That aside I can't believe it's not be restored to its former glory by now. As we are on the Hybrid Pitch thread does anyone know if its had the top chopped off yet. The tour guide was talking nonsense. Quote
Boris5115 Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 6 hours ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: The tour guide was talking nonsense. Strong statement Cruicky. Why would he be telling porkies and what makes you so sure about this. Quote
Jambo61 Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 Maybe Historic Scotland could advise, sure the Romans did something similar for us! Quote
Thomaso Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Boris5115 said: Strong statement Cruicky. Why would he be telling porkies and what makes you so sure about this. Because I was involved in the stand construction Boris. Quote
kila Posted November 8, 2020 Author Posted November 8, 2020 What's happened to the £1m pitch? It isn't in great condition again is it... Fir Park on the other hand looked immaculate today. I know Scotland (Women) played at Tynecastle a couple of weeks ago, but it's hardly been used with a late start to the season. What were the Motherwell groundkeepers able to do during the pandemic that Hearts weren't? This pitch is meant to be one of the most high-tech in the world with all the monitoring and controls. It was like a rug in winter two seasons ago though if I remember right the company that installed the pitch help with maintenance during the first year. Last season it was supposedly the Edinburgh Festival concert wrecking the grass, and the tight schedule meaning the pitch couldn't be 'skimmed' and new grass spawn. So has 'skimming' not happened again this year? Quote
And he’s not praying! Posted November 8, 2020 Posted November 8, 2020 Deteriorated badly after kick off. No idea what the issue is but given the amount of football played on it since March, it really should be coping better. Quote
maroonsgotop Posted November 8, 2020 Posted November 8, 2020 looks to be cutting up very easily and doesn't look to be on the same level as other pitches of similar ilk. No idea what the issue is but it's had plenty time to be fully sorted by now surely. Disappointing to say the least Quote
Jambo61 Posted November 8, 2020 Posted November 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, And he’s not praying! said: Deteriorated badly after kick off. No idea what the issue is but given the amount of football played on it since March, it really should be coping better. They water it before games then half the players spend half their time on their backsides! I walked on it last year and said at the time it is like concrete and forces your ankle over for some reason? Quote
And he’s not praying! Posted November 8, 2020 Posted November 8, 2020 Just now, Jambo61 said: They water it before games then half the players spend half their time on their backsides! I walked on it last year and said at the time it is like concrete and forces your ankle over for some reason? Loads of incidences of players falling over. Looked really heavy. Quote
stotty Posted November 8, 2020 Posted November 8, 2020 Pitch looked really bad, considering it's barely been played on. Something is wrong with it, whatever it is, the club need to get to the bottom of it. Quote
gordiegords Posted November 8, 2020 Posted November 8, 2020 As far as I know after the first year we didn’t spend on the upkeep from the company to maintain it to the highest standard. Quote
kila Posted November 8, 2020 Author Posted November 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, gordiegords said: As far as I know after the first year we didn’t spend on the upkeep from the company to maintain it to the highest standard. What additional steps/costs are involved in maintaining it to the highest standard? Quote
Hømme Posted November 8, 2020 Posted November 8, 2020 Was it maintained properly over the summer though? The maintenance team may have been on furlough along with Hearts staff? Quote
Thomaso Posted November 8, 2020 Posted November 8, 2020 1 hour ago, kila said: What's happened to the £1m pitch? It isn't in great condition again is it... Fir Park on the other hand looked immaculate today. I know Scotland (Women) played at Tynecastle a couple of weeks ago, but it's hardly been used with a late start to the season. What were the Motherwell groundkeepers able to do during the pandemic that Hearts weren't? This pitch is meant to be one of the most high-tech in the world with all the monitoring and controls. It was like a rug in winter two seasons ago though if I remember right the company that installed the pitch help with maintenance during the first year. Last season it was supposedly the Edinburgh Festival concert wrecking the grass, and the tight schedule meaning the pitch couldn't be 'skimmed' and new grass spawn. So has 'skimming' not happened again this year? Frankly this has been going on for some time. There were questions asked regarding the state of the pitch pitch previously which resulted in much acrimony on here. Seemingly the pitch was being soaked prior to the match which resulted in a slippy surface that cut up badly. Quote
ShedBoy Posted November 8, 2020 Posted November 8, 2020 I’m not sure (I may be wrong) that the pitch is where the £1 million went. As I understood it, the foundations, under soil heating, irrigation lines and drainage was where the money went? The pitch itself is a bog standard hybrid pitch sitting on top? Quote
Thomaso Posted November 8, 2020 Posted November 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, ShedBoy said: I’m not sure (I may be wrong) that the pitch is where the £1 million went. As I understood it, the foundations, under soil heating, irrigation lines and drainage was where the money went? The pitch itself is a bog standard hybrid pitch sitting on top? The £1m was spent on the complete reconstruction including drainage, sub- structure, etc. The hybrid pitch is hardly “bog standard” as very few clubs in Scotland have it. Quote
gordiegords Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 8 hours ago, kila said: What additional steps/costs are involved in maintaining it to the highest standard? I think it’s something to do with skimming, I know a guy who works for the company so I’ll ask him. Quote
kingantti1874 Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 Yep, have to say I thought with a summer to heal it would be fine.. but it’s nol.. our pitch does the very thing hybrid pitches are not supposed to do, it cuts up.. and it’s cuts up worse than non hybrid pitches.. totally bizarre. Quote
Penrices left boot Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 Pitch oot! Have the players or manager said anything about the pitch? Robbo or Robbie never mentioned it after the game as an issue. Quote
McCrae Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 The over watering off our pitch won't help our game, it makes it harder to control the ball and will even things up when we play against other teams. Quote
Sarah O Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 For as long as I can remember the pitch is cut immediately after a game. Even at the height of winter. Always strikes me as a bit odd. It's surely not grown much in one day in February. Quote
kingantti1874 Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Sarah O said: For as long as I can remember the pitch is cut immediately after a game. Even at the height of winter. Always strikes me as a bit odd. It's surely not grown much in one day in February. I’ve asked this before, I was told the blades are high and they are essentially hoovering it, to remove debris and make the blades stand up.. still something is very wrong. Quote
mre Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 Our pitch certainly looks one of the worst. The area in front of wheatfield b/c in particular you can see outline of pipes 😕. There did seem to be a lot of players slipping on their arses. If there was ever a time to get it sorted out it should be now during the pandemic. We could play our games at oriam. Quote
Thomaso Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 9 hours ago, BarneyBattles said: But the point is they wouldn’t have watered it unless they thought that was the way to go to make it the best it could be. It looks shit and cuts up so there’s obviously an underlying issue. I assume Hearts will be discussing this with the supplying company because quite frankly we’ve been sold a dud. The question is were we sold a “dud” or is the problem the way we are maintaining it? Quote
davemclaren Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 2 hours ago, McCrae said: The over watering off our pitch won't help our game, it makes it harder to control the ball and will even things up when we play against other teams. I assume Robbie disagrees. Quote
William H. Bonney Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 12 hours ago, kila said: What additional steps/costs are involved in maintaining it to the highest standard? pitch fork at half time. Quote
Koolkeith Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 Pitch is in poor condition given the money spent. another poorly executed project by Budge. Quote
j1964m Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 Think this pitch has been really bad since it was laid we did need a new playing surface but this has be a waste of money Quote
davemclaren Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, j1964m said: Think this pitch has been really bad since it was laid we did need a new playing surface but this has be a waste of money It is better than the previous pitch but not as resilient as I hoped/expected. Quote
McCrae Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, davemclaren said: I assume Robbie disagrees. You are probably right... shame it helped with the Inverness goal...skidding off the wet surface. Quote
davemclaren Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, McCrae said: You are probably right... shame it helped with the Inverness goal...skidding off the wet surface. Probably hoped we would use it to a similar advantage. Sadly not though. Quote
DETTY29 Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, McCrae said: You are probably right... shame it helped with the Inverness goal...skidding off the wet surface. Think we can put that more down to White not pressing the cross enough and Lee standing off Dorans. Edited November 9, 2020 by DETTY29 Quote
McCrae Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: Think we can put that more down to White not pressing the cross enough and Lee standing off Dorans. All contributory factors Quote
DETTY29 Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, McCrae said: All contributory factors 👍 Quote
The Treasurer Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 5 hours ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: The question is were we sold a “dud” or is the problem the way we are maintaining it? Maybe not sold a dud as such, but maybe the installation wasn't up to standard. Or, as you say, we're not maintaining it correctly. Either way I expected better for the £1m investment Quote
jambo-in-furness Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 6 hours ago, mre said: Our pitch certainly looks one of the worst. The area in front of wheatfield b/c in particular you can see outline of pipes 😕. There did seem to be a lot of players slipping on their arses. If there was ever a time to get it sorted out it should be now during the pandemic. We could play our games at oriam. I think the “outline of pipes” may be where the players repeatedly ran over the same grass during warm up. Quote
Hungry hippo Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 3 hours ago, DETTY29 said: Think we can put that more down to White not pressing the cross enough and Lee standing off Dorans. White shouldn't have had to mark both to guy taking and receiving the throw in. Quote
Neil Dongcaster Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 Our procurement of everything from seats, to pitches to football players has been ****ing atrocious. Quote
Bill Sikes Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Neil Dongcaster said: Our procurement of everything from seats, to pitches to football players has been ****ing atrocious. Can't moan about results currently so let's take a trip down memory lane. Totally predictable. Quote
Jamboelite Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, The Treasurer said: Maybe not sold a dud as such, but maybe the installation wasn't up to standard. Or, as you say, we're not maintaining it correctly. Either way I expected better for the £1m investment The company are one of the top ones to lay this type of surface but it was done at pace and then we made an arse of it with the concert. There is definitely an issue and it needs sorted. Quote
Boris5115 Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 Pitch was fantastic in its first year but since then something is not right at all. The recovery time that it had in lockdown was double the time it would normally have had but that seems to have made no difference at all. So who has the answers as to what is going so wrong. I also thought that Darkheid looked in poor condition during the Sparta game last week which is the same surface as ours. Fir Park on the other hand was immaculate yesterday and its not Hybrid. Quote
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