Hybrid Pitch

[Boris5115]

21 minutes ago, farin said:

How the pitch looked yesterday.. 

 

 

What has happened here. I thought it looked a fair bit better against Airdrie but these pictures look like it's deteriorated big time. 

[Ray Gin]

State of that.  

 

Some effort to get a hybrid pitch looking that way.

 

[DarthVodka]

Just now, Boris5115 said:

What has happened here. I thought it looked a fair bit better against Airdrie but these pictures look like it's deteriorated big time. 

I was just about to write the same thing, looked ok against airdrie bar a few bits, looks worse now. Weather hasn’t been bad for January 

[Boris5115]

Just now, DarthVodka said:

I was just about to write the same thing, looked ok against airdrie bar a few bits, looks worse now. Weather hasn’t been bad for January 

I can't believe my eyes looking at that. 

[Valois No1]

Really poor state. No way should it be that bad.....waste of over a million

[kila]

Looks awful but I think it'll play better than it looks. Although a bit bare on top, the roots hopefully strengthened.

 

Concern is the heavy rain forecast at noon tomorrow though it is meant to brighten up around kick off.

 

 

[Thomaso]

11 minutes ago, TheOak88 said:

 

Jeez! That actually looks terrible. 

 

I would be embarrassed turning up for a Junior game on a pitch like that. 

 

No doubt the usual characters will be along shortly to tell us nothing to see here. £1M well spent etc.

Relax - Mrs Budge told us at the AGM the pitch would be sorted by the end of January.....

[Penrices left boot]

Just now, kila said:

Looks awful but I think it'll play better than it looks. Although a bit bare on top, the roots hopefully strengthened.

 

Concern is the heavy rain forecast at noon tomorrow though it is meant to brighten up around kick off.

 

 

 

 

Always thought it has played OK. 

 

Not perfect or where we want it to be, but the ball travels across it fine. 

 

Looks worse than it plays imo. 

[Boris5115]

3 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

Relax - Mrs Budge told us at the AGM the pitch would be sorted by the end of January.....

I've just watched the highlights from last week and I can't believe the difference in a week. We all thought that it would only improve as the weeks went on not get worse. 

[kila]

19 minutes ago, Boris5115 said:

What has happened here. I thought it looked a fair bit better against Airdrie but these pictures look like it's deteriorated big time. 

 

It appears they've covered the patchy bits with more seed/sand, so I think it looks worse because of the lighter colour?

 

 

Edited January 25, 2020 by kila

[Boris5115]

1 minute ago, kila said:

 

They've covered the patchy bits with more seed/sand, so I think it looks worse because of the lighter colour

 

We need to buy some green sand to make it look better. 

[Thomaso]

6 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Always thought it has played OK. 

 

Not perfect or where we want it to be, but the ball travels across it fine. 

 

Looks worse than it plays imo. 

You are becoming a parody of yourself Tosh - every thread you jump in with an excuse.

So the pitch plays ok does it - how would it stand up to heavy rain before/during a game?  
The answer is it would turn into a mud bath because it’s bare as a badgers arse!

[Penrices left boot]

23 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

Relax - Mrs Budge told us at the AGM the pitch would be sorted by the end of January.....

 

 

And if not, you get to go on about it. 

 

Win- win for you. 

👍

[Penrices left boot]

17 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

You are becoming a parody of yourself Tosh - every thread you jump in with an excuse.

So the pitch plays ok does it - how would it stand up to heavy rain before/during a game?  
The answer is it would turn into a mud bath because it’s bare as a badgers arse!

 

 

You're well beyond being a parody Tbf. 

 

I'm unsure on the drainage system, but yes- I agree, if it rains it will become muddy. 

 

It should look better and it needs to be sorted but from what I've seen it plays well and is flat. 

 

 

 

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, Barack said:

Is there still a feature on JKB, where you can see how many times a poster posts on a certain thread?🤔

 

Sadly, the last time I saw this question asked, the answer was no, that the new board software didn't have that functionality.

[Gershwin]

46 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

State of that.  

 

Some effort to get a hybrid pitch looking that way.

 

 

It looks worse than last weekend.

[Jamboelite]

Just now, Gershwin said:

 

It looks worse than last weekend.

Im not sure how that is possible but you are right.

 

If we havent got the original company in then we bloody well should and get their opinion on how to fix it.

 

 

[davemclaren]

Just now, Jamboelite said:

Im not sure how that is possible but you are right.

 

If we havent got the original company in then we bloody well should and get their opinion on how to fix it.

 

 

They were all in this morning according to the photo above. 

[Boris5115]

5 minutes ago, Jamboelite said:

Im not sure how that is possible but you are right.

 

If we havent got the original company in then we bloody well should and get their opinion on how to fix it.

 

 

STRI Group are in every month. 

[Thomaso]

14 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

You're well beyond being a parody Tbf. 

 

I'm unsure on the drainage system, but yes- I agree, if it rains it will become muddy. 

 

It should look better and it needs to be sorted but from what I've seen it plays well and is flat. 

 

 

 

But it won’t play well and flat after heavy rain then - just as well we don’t get heavy rain in the winter in Edinburgh eh.....

[Thomaso]

24 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

And if not, you get to go on about it. 

 

Win- win for you. 

👍

No Tosh - as a Hearts fan it’s one big loss - £1m loss going by the state of it. 

[Jamboelite]

11 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

They were all in this morning according to the photo above. 

Did someone not just say that wasnt the pitch company ?

 

if thats them then good but while im all for tolerating there has been an issue its going backwards in my opinion..

[davemclaren]

18 minutes ago, Jamboelite said:

Did someone not just say that wasnt the pitch company ?

 

if thats them then good but while im all for tolerating there has been an issue its going backwards in my opinion..

I read as two different companies in but might be wrong. It does look worse than last week but that might be the sand. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[ShedBoy]

It looks really, really dry. Like it’s been scorched by the under soil heating? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Penrices left boot]

48 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

No Tosh - as a Hearts fan it’s one big loss - £1m loss going by the state of it. 

 

It's not a loss. 

 

It just needs sorted. 

 

Nothing like a bit drama. 

Edited January 25, 2020 by Smith's right boot

[Cade]

Questions do need asked.

You can't spend a million quid on a new pitch for it to be this bad this quick.

The groundskeepers and pitch laying company have to sort this out asap.

 

[MarkDevriesScores4]

Tomorrow’s game televised to the masses. Tattie field in HD. Doesn’t look great. 🥔 

[sac]

1 hour ago, Boris5115 said:

I've just watched the highlights from last week and I can't believe the difference in a week. We all thought that it would only improve as the weeks went on not get worse. 

After a week of good dry & mild weather too

[Ex member of the SaS]

Never got a proper reply, but I posted once before. I thought the hybrid pitch had long plastic strands intermixed with real grass. Meaning the plastic strands would stay at a cut length determined by the owner, and you only cut the real grass that grew above this height. Therefore the plastic stands would look like real grass even if the real stuff died.

 

I do believe I heard that when it was being discussed. Can anyone confirm or am I dreaming it. 

[Boris5115]

8 minutes ago, sac said:

After a week of good dry & mild weather too

I know I just don't get it. 

[SUTOL]

7 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said:

Never got a proper reply, but I posted once before. I thought the hybrid pitch had long plastic strands intermixed with real grass. Meaning the plastic strands would stay at a cut length determined by the owner, and you only cut the real grass that grew above this height. Therefore the plastic stands would look like real grass even if the real stuff died.

 

I do believe I heard that when it was being discussed. Can anyone confirm or am I dreaming it. 

 

That about sums it up. 

[Hot since 86]

Stendel must be wondering WTF has been going on at our club for the last year. 

 

Just another thing for him (because who else do we have) and Budge to get their heads together and fix. Given the progress being made elsewhere hopefully the pitch can also be improved quickly.

Edited January 25, 2020 by Hot since 86

[kila]

12 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said:

Never got a proper reply, but I posted once before. I thought the hybrid pitch had long plastic strands intermixed with real grass. Meaning the plastic strands would stay at a cut length determined by the owner, and you only cut the real grass that grew above this height. Therefore the plastic stands would look like real grass even if the real stuff died.

 

I do believe I heard that when it was being discussed. Can anyone confirm or am I dreaming it. 

 

The synthetic strands are still there, they only cover 3-5% of the surface. It's under the soil where they matter though, as grass roots grow and intertwine around them helping create a more durable surface.

 

Obviously we are seeing the limitations to the definition of 'durable'  

 

 

[Boris5115]

14 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said:

Never got a proper reply, but I posted once before. I thought the hybrid pitch had long plastic strands intermixed with real grass. Meaning the plastic strands would stay at a cut length determined by the owner, and you only cut the real grass that grew above this height. Therefore the plastic stands would look like real grass even if the real stuff died.

 

I do believe I heard that when it was being discussed. Can anyone confirm or am I dreaming it. 

What I have been told is that the fibre strands that should sit just above the ground are now compacted beneath the surface. Hence the reason why the top layer needs to be skimmed off close season and these insertions will be visible again. I was also told that although they are not visable at the moment they are still helping hold the surface together and that if they weren't there the pitch would be a hell of a lot worse. Just passing on what I was told tho. 

[pettigrewsstylist]

Seems clear pitchgate is under wraps 😂. Suggests incompetence on grand scale or potential for digging up again.

Bet the next Q +A sesh is someway off 😉

[TheOak88]

24 minutes ago, farin said:

 

 

Definitely worse, players will prob be slipping all over the place tomorrow on it after the rain.  

 

Apparently it plays a lot better than it looks. I read it on JKB. 

[TheOak88]

Remember when this was first proposed and some people were questioning spending £1M on a pitch (which is a lot of money for a club our size). And all the regulars were assuring everyone it was an investment meaning we wouldn’t have to be constantly doing maintenance work on a poor pitch. 

 

[Scnorthedinburgh]

1 hour ago, davemclaren said:

I read as two different companies in but might be wrong. It does look worse than last week but that might be the sand. 🤷🏼‍♂️

The picture is the company who do the irrigation and player monitoring that is embedded in the pitch.

They don't do the grass.

[davemclaren]

40 minutes ago, Scnorthedinburgh said:

The picture is the company who do the irrigation and player monitoring that is embedded in the pitch.

They don't do the grass.

The twitter says it’s STRI  https://strigroup.com/

 

and turfsynch https://www.turfsync.com/

 

 

i assumed these two companies would cover the lot between them?

[Vlad Magic]

Not only has the grass turned yellow in places but everything below is ****ed.

 

All the hundreds of thousands of yards of stitching gone. Piping melted away. Monitoring systems hacked.

 

It really is, on the surface of things, a mess.

 

Shall we all create a massive cluster **** of negative posts calling for the heads of everyone or should we let some grass grow?

 

 

[TheOak88]

3 minutes ago, Vlad Magic said:

 

Shall we all create a massive cluster **** of negative posts calling for the heads of everyone or should we let some grass grow?

 

 

 

Let’s do both. 

 

[flecktimus]

It may be the case that the whole pitch has been sanded, ask any golfer how a decent looking green can look bad after being sanded. But i do agree the pitch is not looking good. 

[Fourcandles]

2 hours ago, Boris5115 said:

What I have been told is that the fibre strands that should sit just above the ground are now compacted beneath the surface. Hence the reason why the top layer needs to be skimmed off close season and these insertions will be visible again. I was also told that although they are not visable at the moment they are still helping hold the surface together and that if they weren't there the pitch would be a hell of a lot worse. Just passing on what I was told tho. 

 

Boris.....sounds like you know the Groundsman or one of his staff? Am i correct?

 

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[Boris5115]

2 minutes ago, Fourcandles said:

 

Boris.....sounds like you know the Groundsman or one of his staff? Am i correct?

 

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I know someone who knows. 

[Tommy Brown]

2 hours ago, Boris5115 said:

What I have been told is that the fibre strands that should sit just above the ground are now compacted beneath the surface. Hence the reason why the top layer needs to be skimmed off close season and these insertions will be visible again. I was also told that although they are not visable at the moment they are still helping hold the surface together and that if they weren't there the pitch would be a hell of a lot worse. Just passing on what I was told tho. 

 

19 minutes ago, Boris5115 said:

I know someone who knows. 

Thanks for the info.

By what you are saying, I suspect we will struggle on for the rest of the season.

Hopefully a mild winter and a good spring. If not, we get heavy rain after heavy rain, this thread will go into meltdown.

 

A proper maintenance programme after the last game and get it all re-seeded, it should get back on track.

Doesn't stop being ridiculous that it has come to this, would be good to know the cause.

[Boris5115]

23 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said:

 

Thanks for the info.

By what you are saying, I suspect we will struggle on for the rest of the season.

Hopefully a mild winter and a good spring. If not, we get heavy rain after heavy rain, this thread will go into meltdown.

 

A proper maintenance programme after the last game and get it all re-seeded, it should get back on track.

Doesn't stop being ridiculous that it has come to this, would be good to know the cause.

Yes your right it should never have got to this but unfortunately it has . I don't believe the same vital end of season maintenance will be compromised again and that the surface will be back to what it was in its first full season. 

[Smith&Weston]

It looks like the greens at the golf club after they have been treated in the winter to ensure they are in peak condition come May/June.  Whatever happened earlier in the season has had a lasting impact that wasn’t expected.  Not sure we will be doing those concerts again 

[Thomaso]

3 hours ago, Boris5115 said:

What I have been told is that the fibre strands that should sit just above the ground are now compacted beneath the surface. Hence the reason why the top layer needs to be skimmed off close season and these insertions will be visible again. I was also told that although they are not visable at the moment they are still helping hold the surface together and that if they weren't there the pitch would be a hell of a lot worse. Just passing on what I was told tho. 

So is the failure to skim the surface in the close season the reason for the state of the pitch Boris? That has never been mentioned by the Club.

[Tommy Brown]

27 minutes ago, Smith&Weston said:

It looks like the greens at the golf club after they have been treated in the winter to ensure they are in peak condition come May/June.  Whatever happened earlier in the season has had a lasting impact that wasn’t expected.  Not sure we will be doing those concerts again 

 

I dont get the maintenance not being done because of the concert, it doesn't stack up.

 

Complete red herring.

[Boris5115]

2 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

So is the failure to skim the surface in the close season the reason for the state of the pitch Boris? That has never been mentioned by the Club.

Have the club ever mentioned anything re the pitch apart from saying that they have had no complaints. I'm not the only one who has mentioned on this topic that failure to carry out this maintenance has had an effect on the surface.