Hybrid Pitch

[davemclaren]

2 minutes ago, Barack said:

I'd imagine that doesn't cost pennies. Possibly see it addressed in the close season. When hopefully, we're getting ready for the Premier again, and a "normal" post Covid-19/vaccination reality in practical & financial terms.

The top took a wage reduction, reluctantly. 
 

I’ll get my coat....

[Jambo61]

3 hours ago, graygo said:

 

Did you read the post I replied to?

 

 

Nah I have a life and dip in and out! I cannot really remember any long term injuries to away players playing at Tynie! I only care about our players anyway and this has gone on too long!

[DETTY29]

Today's live pitch watch.

 

 

[Thomaso]

4 hours ago, Smithee said:

I dont want to have to get a torch and cardboard boxes out but I'd bet it suffers less shade, has a larger care budget, and gets more light by being a couple of hundred miles south anyway 

Get yer touch out! 😉

[Thomaso]

4 hours ago, graygo said:

 

To be fair they have lots of those artificial lights.

A point I made previously regarding our lack of lights

[kila]

1 minute ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

A point I made previously regarding our lack of lights

 

I think if the club are serious about leasing Tynecastle out (Scotland U21s, Scotland Women and Women Cups) they need to get enough lamps to cover the pitch. And get to the bottom of what the hell went wrong last year and this year (maybe related to the lamps).

 

A hybrid is meant to allow for frequent football and training. Ours is clearly not doing that anymore, so whatever the reason something has to be done now otherwise there won't be money to made from the SFA in the future. Hell they are better using Fir Park tonight ours is that embarrassing.

 

[jr ewing]

Dig deeper. 

[Jim Panzee]

7 hours ago, graygo said:

 

To be fair they have lots of those artificial lights.

indeed - they user UV lamps - big ones and lots of them. 

[Boris5115]

2 hours ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

A point I made previously regarding our lack of lights

I don't think the no of lights we have are anything to do with the current condition of the pitch. It looks really soft hence the reason it's cutting up so easy. It would seem the plastic fibres are compacted underneath the soil and not sitting just above the ground so the rear grass can intertwine around it and make it more durable which would stop it from cutting up so easily. Pitch will be wrecked by end of December going by the present condition. 

[kila]

 

 

Doesn't look overly bad... the grass is longer but it looks thicker than this time last year.

 

[Boris5115]

3 minutes ago, kila said:

 

 

Doesn't look overly bad... the grass is longer but it looks thicker than this time last year.

 

Maybe that's because our season has only just started mate. Its not what it should be. Not even close. 

[mitch41]

I’d like the pitch sorted out before the FOH takes total control. In fact it would be a good idea to have a survey of the stadium including pitch and training facilities.

[graygo]

17 minutes ago, mitch41 said:

I’d like the pitch sorted out before the FOH takes total control. In fact it would be a good idea to have a survey of the stadium including pitch and training facilities.

 

With a view to what? Pulling out the deal?

[davemclaren]

1 minute ago, graygo said:

 

With a view to what? Pulling out the deal?

[mitch41]

7 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

With a view to what? Pulling out the deal?

No it’s just that our membership know what needs done because remember it will be FOH that will be running the show. No running to anybody for loans to help us out if major works need done.

[davemclaren]

5 minutes ago, mitch41 said:

No it’s just that our membership know what needs done because remember it will be FOH that will be running the show. No running to anybody for loans to help us out if major works need done.

Bought as seen unfortunately. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[Thomaso]

2 hours ago, Boris5115 said:

I don't think the no of lights we have are anything to do with the current condition of the pitch. It looks really soft hence the reason it's cutting up so easy. It would seem the plastic fibres are compacted underneath the soil and not sitting just above the ground so the rear grass can intertwine around it and make it more durable which would stop it from cutting up so easily. Pitch will be wrecked by end of December going by the present condition. 

Could be

[The American]

I just want someone with a wee paint brush with a bit Maroon paint to finish the poles supporting the nets at the Roseburn end 

Maroon paint stops about 2 fit short from top, been like that for about 5 seasons now fs 

[been here before]

19 hours ago, mitch41 said:

Find the best expert on grass surfaces at football grounds and ask him to look into the way the pitch has been installed, managed & used. Look at the report and recommendations then take whatever action is needed.

 

Thomaso is already posting his thoughts mitch.

Edited November 12, 2020 by been here before

[Thomaso]

20 hours ago, been here before said:

 

Thomaso is already posting his thoughts mitch.

Yes I posted my thoughts on the poor condition of the pitch some time ago - I was told by “experts” like you on here there was nothing wrong with it.......🤷‍♂️

[David Black]

23 hours ago, mitch41 said:

No it’s just that our membership know what needs done because remember it will be FOH that will be running the show. No running to anybody for loans to help us out if major works need done.

That is a very good point. Well said.

[been here before]

36 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

Yes I posted my thoughts on the poor condition of the pitch some time ago - I was told by “experts” like you on here there was nothing wrong with it.......🤷‍♂️

 

Fire up a couple of my "expert posts" or we'll just assume youre talking shite as per.

[Thomaso]

2 minutes ago, been here before said:

 

Fire up a couple of my "expert posts" or we'll just assume youre talking shite as per.

You first.

[jr ewing]

I noticed that Man City's pitch lights cover half the pitch at one time. 

[been here before]

46 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

You first.

 

Nae bother. We'll asume you're doing your usual.

 

Easiest way.

[kila]

If only weed were legalised, the LED growing light rigs would fall in price massively.

 

But surely the club can afford to cover the pitch with them? Mr. Anderson or FoH? It is a waste of a £1m investment otherwise.

 

It is a shame the ground keepers never got much more airtime on the documentary because a bit more behind the scenes on what they do along with the pitch monitoring tech would've been interesting.

[davemclaren]

38 minutes ago, jr ewing said:

I noticed that Man City's pitch lights cover half the pitch at one time. 

Even they can’t afford the whole pitch?

[Thomaso]

33 minutes ago, been here before said:

 

Nae bother. We'll asume you're doing your usual.

 

Easiest way.

So you insinuated I said I was an “expert” but can’t back it up....aye easiest way right enough.

[jr ewing]

46 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

Even they can’t afford the whole pitch?

We can only afford the six yard box!

[davemclaren]

27 minutes ago, jr ewing said:

We can only afford the six yard box!

Sounds about right given our revenue compared to theirs. 

[kila]

16 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

Sounds about right given our revenue compared to theirs. 

 

You got the running costs for these rigs handy?

 

[Boris5115]

1 hour ago, kila said:

If only weed were legalised, the LED growing light rigs would fall in price massively.

 

But surely the club can afford to cover the pitch with them? Mr. Anderson or FoH? It is a waste of a £1m investment otherwise.

 

It is a shame the ground keepers never got much more airtime on the documentary because a bit more behind the scenes on what they do along with the pitch monitoring tech would've been interesting.

Said it several times before. The pitch was fine for the first year and we have the same no of lighting rigs then as we have now. 4 large and two smaller units. Surface has a problem and while more lightning would be good  it's not the reason for the pitch being in poor condition. Top should have come off in the Summer but it would appear that never happened hence why the issues last year are still there. 

[Perth to Paisley]

Without stating the bleeding obvious the club didn't really get the opportunity to do what was needed or even what it wanted to do.

Maybe/Hopefully next summer it will resolved.

Edited November 13, 2020 by Perth to Paisley
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[RobboM]

1 hour ago, Boris5115 said:

Said it several times before. The pitch was fine for the first year and we have the same no of lighting rigs then as we have now. 4 large and two smaller units. Surface has a problem and while more lightning would be good  it's not the reason for the pitch being in poor condition. Top should have come off in the Summer but it would appear that never happened hence why the issues last year are still there. 

I realise we're going in circles now generating more heat than light on the subject BUT the top skimming sounds really small beer. 6-7mm? It feels deeper than that, in all senses

“We just take the top layer off, you are only talking about six or seven millimetres, and then put it back. Job done.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2017/07/24/getting-the-needle-to-be-pitch-perfect-at-wolves/

[Thomaso]

4 minutes ago, RobboM said:

I realise we're going in circles now generating more heat than light on the subject BUT the top skimming sounds really small beer. 6-7mm? It feels deeper than that, in all senses

“We just take the top layer off, you are only talking about six or seven millimetres, and then put it back. Job done.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2017/07/24/getting-the-needle-to-be-pitch-perfect-at-wolves/

“It stops it cutting up and divoting”

[RobboM]

1 minute ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

“It stops it cutting up and divoting”

Not the skimming though. That's not a process exclusive to hybrid pitches. The artificial fibres below the surface give a stable and deep anchor for the roots to entwine and that's what stops the cutting up and divoting, as far as I understood it anyway

[Thomaso]

5 minutes ago, RobboM said:

Not the skimming though. That's not a process exclusive to hybrid pitches. The artificial fibres below the surface give a stable and deep anchor for the roots to entwine and that's what stops the cutting up and divoting, as far as I understood it anyway

Yes I know Robbo. Ours doesn’t stop the cutting up and divoting unfortunately 

Edited November 13, 2020 by Thomaso

[RobboM]

6 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

Yes I know Robbo. Ours doesn’t stop the cutting up and divoting unfortunately 

Agreed. It feels more deep rooted problem than just the surface .... pun intended.

 

NB I'm just speaking as an interested observer ... I've spent lockdown months watching grass grow 😋

[gorgie rd eh11]

Oh for ****s sake.

[jr ewing]

53 minutes ago, RobboM said:

I realise we're going in circles now generating more heat than light on the subject BUT the top skimming sounds really small beer. 6-7mm? It feels deeper than that, in all senses

“We just take the top layer off, you are only talking about six or seven millimetres, and then put it back. Job done.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2017/07/24/getting-the-needle-to-be-pitch-perfect-at-wolves/

I think the problem lies underneath. 

[Boris5115]

9 hours ago, Perth to Paisley said:

Without stating the bleeding obvious the club didn't really get the opportunity to do what was needed or even what it wanted to do.

Maybe/Hopefully next summer it will resolved.

April to October was more than enough time to sort the issue don't you think. 

[Boris5115]

9 hours ago, RobboM said:

Not the skimming though. That's not a process exclusive to hybrid pitches. The artificial fibres below the surface give a stable and deep anchor for the roots to entwine and that's what stops the cutting up and divoting, as far as I understood it anyway

You're missing the point that the artificial fibres sit just above the ground too. The real grass entwine around these fibres making it more durable. 

[Boris5115]

[Coco]

If I remember rightly there is only 200mm of soil for the grass to root into.  That isn't very much for strong grass roots.  My guess is that the sand/aggregate below that has got compacted and it is difficult to alleviate that given the heating is in that layer.

 

But what is clear is that so far it has been an appalling return on investment compared to replacing the turf as required.

[Thomaso]

We need a Queen Ann statement........

[Harry Potter]

On 12/11/2020 at 17:39, davemclaren said:

Bought as seen unfortunately. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Like an Arthur Daley car, ☹️, surely some kind of checks.

[DETTY29]

3 hours ago, Boris5115 said:

April to October was more than enough time to sort the issue don't you think. 

Worldwide pandemic.

 

Ground staff an furlough. Potentially outside contractors too.

 

*Funds at minimum of hundreds of thousands diverted to court case, backed by virtually entire fan base.

 

Budgets reduced by several million.

 

Fan base demanding promotion at first opportunity (albeit that is a given and smaller clubs budgets reduced too) with a squad that needed at least 50% overhaul.

 

Now that's not saying no pandemic, guarantees the pitch would have been fixed, budget available, or AB deciding fixing it is a priority, but there are far more factors than saying the time was there.  So many other potential constraints.

 

*Maybe this us the real issue.  AB not willing to stand up to fans and say 'no' having a decent chance is too much of a risk, I've got a hundred other things that money and resources should be focusing on.  Of course, not going to court may have cost millions in on non ST renewals.

Edited November 14, 2020 by DETTY29

[kila]

1 hour ago, DETTY29 said:

Worldwide pandemic.

 

Ground staff an furlough. Potentially outside contractors too.

 

*Funds at minimum of hundreds of thousands diverted to court case, backed by virtually entire fan base.

 

Budgets reduced by several million.

 

Fan base demanding promotion at first opportunity (albeit that is a given and smaller clubs budgets reduced too) with a squad that needed at least 50% overhaul.

 

Now that's not saying no pandemic, guarantees the pitch would have been fixed, budget available, or AB deciding fixing it is a priority, but there are far more factors than saying the time was there.  So many other potential constraints.

 

*Maybe this us the real issue.  AB not willing to stand up to fans and say 'no' having a decent chance is too much of a risk, I've got a hundred other things that money and resources should be focusing on.  Of course, not going to court may have cost millions in on non ST renewals.

 

If that were really the case, the club could've said that and there'd have been army of volunteers willing to make sure whatever was needing done was done. Or some fundraiser. My local golf club had volunteers helping maintain the course during the full lockdown while all staff were furloughed.

 

I'm fairly sure the Hearts twitter posted photos of Tynecastle under the hot sun back in June/July and the pitch had been mowed with the pattern etc.

 

[DETTY29]

13 minutes ago, kila said:

 

If that were really the case, the club could've said that and there'd have been army of volunteers willing to make sure whatever was needing done was done. Or some fundraiser. My local golf club had volunteers helping maintain the course during the full lockdown while all staff were furloughed.

 

I'm fairly sure the Hearts twitter posted photos of Tynecastle under the hot sun back in June/July and the pitch had been mowed with the pattern etc.

 

Re pitch sorry, some ground staff were furloughed. 

 

That's fair but there is a difference between 'maintaining' and whatever is wrong with ours.  Also up until end July(?) , even a minute of 'consultancy' wasn't allowed otherwise furlough terms negated.

 

 

Edited November 14, 2020 by DETTY29

[kila]

4 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Re pitch sorry, some ground staff were furloughed. 

 

That's fair but there is a difference between 'maintaining' and whatever is wrong with ours.  Also up until end July(?) , even a minute of 'consultancy' wasn't allowed otherwise furlough terms negated.

 

One of the ground keepers posted in this thread a year or so ago and said because of the festival concert last August they weren't able to skim the pitch (take the top off) and let the grass re-spawn from existing root and presumably some fresh seed too. I think, from memory it took 4-5 weeks for the pitch to recover after that process?

 

Anyway with our first game in October and the pitch clearly being mowed back in the summer, were they able to skim this time around? If not, why not?