Hybrid Pitch

[Governor Tarkin]

See when Herr Gruppenfuherer has us ruthlessly tucking sides away all over the shop, nobody will give a **** about our shmybrid tattie field.

 

[Penrices left boot]

24 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

See when Herr Gruppenfuherer has us ruthlessly tucking sides away all over the shop, nobody will give a **** about our shmybrid tattie field.

 

 

 

Yip, when teams are getting blitzkrieged left, right and centre no one will give a ****. 

 

[Governor Tarkin]

2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Yip, when teams are getting blitzkrieged left, right and centre no one will give a ****. 

 

 

I'm glad you're on the happy train, Tosh,  but there's no need for the war references.

This isn't the place for casual racism and sweeping generalisations. 

 

 

[Tommy Brown]

6 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

See when Herr Gruppenfuherer has us ruthlessly tucking sides away all over the shop, nobody will give a **** about our shmybrid tattie field.

 

 

 

Let's hope  maintaining our tattie field is our "auld grumpies" only thing to moan about.

 

signed

Grumpy Broon

Edited January 20, 2020 by Tommy Brown

[pettigrewsstylist]

Lennon will not be bullied. He will demand answers....... after dropping points 😂

Edited January 20, 2020 by pettigrewsstylist

[mitch41]

On 19/01/2020 at 18:16, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Drivel.

 

Can you say with 100% certainty the state of the pitch is down to incompetence by the clubs employees?

 

Can tell us with 100% accuracy what has been the cause of the poor state of the pitch?

 

I'm guessing no to both questions btw. 

I can say that our new £1,000,000 pitch looks like the pitch’s at Balgreen. Do the drains work efficiently, is the materials like sand, aggregate, soil, turf ect up to the quality needed for a Premier League team. Have Hearts got any sort of guarantee, a warranty, and a contractor inspection service. Who monitor and report to Ann Budge on the standard of the pitch. 
So many questions that the FOH board should be asking.

[SMJ_1874]

On 20/01/2020 at 00:20, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Yip, when teams are getting blitzkrieged left, right and centre no one will give a ****. 

 

 

[Boris5115]

6 hours ago, farin said:

 

Slowly but surely improving every week now. 

Defo improving hopefully the mild weather this week will help. Looks like the floodlighting needs fixed too. So many dead lamps on that pylon lol. 

[spirt of 98]

On 19/01/2020 at 18:16, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Drivel.

 

Can you say with 100% certainty the state of the pitch is down to incompetence by the clubs employees?

 

Can tell us with 100% accuracy what has been the cause of the poor state of the pitch?

 

I'm guessing no to both questions btw. 

How many time it was all down to that concert held in August it ruined the pitch and it’s been playing catch up ever since.

 

 

[John Gentleman]

7 minutes ago, Boris5115 said:

Defo improving hopefully the mild weather this week will help. Looks like the floodlighting needs fixed too. So many dead lamps on that pylon lol. 

Keeps the leccy bill down I suppose.

I guess the nearest comparison would be Celtic Park, no? They've got the same hybrid pitch as ours? If Darkheid's OK then it's down to us - either going back to the 'foundation' works or how we've been maintaining it since. Or even, perhaps, Tynie's sides are so steep it gets sod all sun in the middle of winter (though I thought that was the reason we've got UV lights).

A hybrid pitch shouldn't look as bad as ours, even in midwinter.

[pettigrewsstylist]

47 minutes ago, John Gentleman said:

Keeps the leccy bill down I suppose.

I guess the nearest comparison would be Celtic Park, no? They've got the same hybrid pitch as ours? If Darkheid's OK then it's down to us - either going back to the 'foundation' works or how we've been maintaining it since. Or even, perhaps, Tynie's sides are so steep it gets sod all sun in the middle of winter (though I thought that was the reason we've got UV lights).

A hybrid pitch shouldn't look as bad as ours, even in midwinter.

Do we need a massive sunbed installed? 

[Mysterion]

3 hours ago, Boris5115 said:

Defo improving hopefully the mild weather this week will help. Looks like the floodlighting needs fixed too. So many dead lamps on that pylon lol. 

 

Replacing them with the new style LED lighting (like Celtic Park) should be on FoH future infrastructure improvements. Would bring cost savings too.

 

 

[Boris5115]

5 minutes ago, Mysterion said:

 

Replacing them with the new style LED lighting (like Celtic Park) should be on FoH future infrastructure improvements. Would bring cost savings too.

 

 

Think of all the things we could do when Aunty Anne is paid back. Time to up my subscription I think. 

[Vlad Magic]

4 minutes ago, Mysterion said:

 

Replacing them with the new style LED lighting (like Celtic Park) should be on FoH future infrastructure improvements. Would bring cost savings too.

 

 

Agreed. A costly improvement however the modern energy efficient LED systems pay for themselves and last a hell of a lot longer.

[Prof]

On 19/01/2020 at 16:06, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

Firstly the weather has not been exceptional this winter. The weather in Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle has been no better than Edinburgh but their hybrid pitches are like carpets.

Secondly the weather was pretty similar last year however the pitch was in far better condition then.

In any event a well maintained hybrid pitch with ‘state of the art’ computer controlled heating and drainage is meant to offer an excellent playing surface through the winter.

Also other premier pitches have suffered the same weather as ours however their pitches are not in the horrendous state ours is.

Something has gone seriously wrong with our pitch and I do not believe it is down to weather.

Grasses stop growing when the temp falls below 6degrees. Few people will need to cut their grass in winter. Even so called winter grass varieties have poor germination rates at this time of year.

I've no doubt ground compaction after the concert was a factor but even that wouldn’t explain the poor nature of the pitch. Recovery in the bare areas has been not great and it’s noticeable the heavy watering before games has been reduced.

Something is fundamentally wrong     with the pitch. I speak as a PhD botanist with 35 years in plant growth studies.

[John Gentleman]

33 minutes ago, Vlad Magic said:

Agreed. A costly improvement however the modern energy efficient LED systems pay for themselves and last a hell of a lot longer.

Is there a way of finding out if it's already on the capital expenditure list? Sure, it would certainly cost a bit up-front but the payback (return on investment) would almost be immediate. Come to think of it, every light in and around Tynie should be LED. Here in Oz, I don't think we can even buy incandescent bulbs any longer. Totally absent from stores' shelves. 

Edited January 21, 2020 by John Gentleman

[davemclaren]

44 minutes ago, Prof said:

Grasses stop growing when the temp falls below 6degrees. Few people will need to cut their grass in winter. Even so called winter grass varieties have poor germination rates at this time of year.

I've no doubt ground compaction after the concert was a factor but even that wouldn’t explain the poor nature of the pitch. Recovery in the bare areas has been not great and it’s noticeable the heavy watering before games has been reduced.

Something is fundamentally wrong     with the pitch. I speak as a PhD botanist with 35 years in plant growth studies.

Do you mean that something us wring with the grass or the structures supporting it, or both?

[DETTY29]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/heat-lights-preserve-cardiff-city-1797847.amp

 

Cost Cardiff £400k back in 2011 to purchase lights to support their new pitch.

 

Edit, article was Nov 2011 but updated Mar 2013.

 

Have we set aside sufficient ongoing budget to support the capital investment?

Edited January 21, 2020 by DETTY29

[DETTY29]

Celtic budgeted £4m for lighting and sound system improvements.

[Penrices left boot]

2 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Celtic budgeted £4m for lighting and sound system improvements.

 

 

Thier disco lights cost over £2m apparently. 

[Penrices left boot]

3 hours ago, pettigrewsstylist said:

Do we need a massive sunbed installed? 

 

Jimmy Calderwood going to be dof? 

[Boris5115]

2 hours ago, John Gentleman said:

Is there a way of finding out if it's already on the capital expenditure list? Sure, it would certainly cost a bit up-front but the payback (return on investment) would almost be immediate. Come to think of it, every light in and around Tynie should be LED. Here in Oz, I don't think we can even buy incandescent bulbs any longer. Totally absent from stores' shelves. 

I'm sure my local Drysalter shop has them in stock 😀

[Thomaso]

3 hours ago, Prof said:

Grasses stop growing when the temp falls below 6degrees. Few people will need to cut their grass in winter. Even so called winter grass varieties have poor germination rates at this time of year.

I've no doubt ground compaction after the concert was a factor but even that wouldn’t explain the poor nature of the pitch. Recovery in the bare areas has been not great and it’s noticeable the heavy watering before games has been reduced.

Something is fundamentally wrong     with the pitch. I speak as a PhD botanist with 35 years in plant growth studies.

What do you make of the Clubs (alleged) failure to carry out recommended maintenance work on the hybrid pitch as reported on here?

[graygo]

48 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

What do you make of the Clubs (alleged) failure to carry out recommended maintenance work on the hybrid pitch as reported on here?

 

Alleged and reported by you to be fair.

[graygo]

8 hours ago, John Gentleman said:

Keeps the leccy bill down I suppose.

I guess the nearest comparison would be Celtic Park, no? They've got the same hybrid pitch as ours? If Darkheid's OK then it's down to us - either going back to the 'foundation' works or how we've been maintaining it since. Or even, perhaps, Tynie's sides are so steep it gets sod all sun in the middle of winter (though I thought that was the reason we've got UV lights).

A hybrid pitch shouldn't look as bad as ours, even in midwinter.

 

Let's not pretend that Celtic haven't had problems with their pitch.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46948286

 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/scott-brown-slams-celtic-park-14036554

[Adam_the_legend]

6 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Let's not pretend that Celtic haven't had problems with their pitch.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46948286

 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/scott-brown-slams-celtic-park-14036554

At least it was being discussed. Have Hearts at any point come out and explained or updated on the state of the most monitored pitch in the country???

[graygo]

3 minutes ago, Adam_the_legend said:

At least it was being discussed. Have Hearts at any point come out and explained or updated on the state of the most monitored pitch in the country???

 

No they haven't, probably don't feel the need as Cruiky has done it to death on here.   

[Thomaso]

1 hour ago, graygo said:

 

Alleged and reported by you to be fair.

Wrong again. Check the thread - the alleged failure to carry out proper maintenance was raised by another poster.

[Thomaso]

52 minutes ago, Adam_the_legend said:

At least it was being discussed. Have Hearts at any point come out and explained or updated on the state of the most monitored pitch in the country???

The answer is a big fat NO.

[Thomaso]

49 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

No they haven't, probably don't feel the need as Cruiky has done it to death on here.   

Trolling again tut! tut!

[mitch41]

4 hours ago, DETTY29 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/heat-lights-preserve-cardiff-city-1797847.amp

 

Cost Cardiff £400k back in 2011 to purchase lights to support their new pitch.

 

Edit, article was Nov 2011 but updated Mar 2013.

 

Have we set aside sufficient ongoing budget to support the capital investment?

That's peanuts compared with the £22 million + for our stand.

[davemclaren]

27 minutes ago, mitch41 said:

That's peanuts compared with the £22 million + for our stand.

We have some lights. 

[Tommy Brown]

1 hour ago, graygo said:

 

Alleged and reported by you to be fair.

 

wasn't Cruiky to be fair. he is only highlighting anomolies in the excuses.

 

1. wasn't scarified after last match 4/5. 1st match was 12/7, concert in August.

2. Concert in August, pitch was fine up to Nov, areas of the pitch are worst where the concert wasn't.

3. AB explained it at AGM, no she didn't. No oppenents have complained. why would they, they all got results

 

Too much bull reported as fact and too many accept it without thinking.

[Prof]

2 hours ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

What do you make of the Clubs (alleged) failure to carry out recommended maintenance work on the hybrid pitch as reported on here?

If that’s the case it’s deplorable.
I have supervised the planting of many large lawns and Frankly if I was involved in the pitch at Tynecastle I would be ashamed. Come summer it will of course recover but the huge worry is the money the club spent on the pitch appears to have been wasted.

[kingantti1874]

6 minutes ago, Prof said:

If that’s the case it’s deplorable.
I have supervised the planting of many large lawns and Frankly if I was involved in the pitch at Tynecastle I would be ashamed. Come summer it will of course recover but the huge worry is the money the club spent on the pitch appears to have been wasted.

well it’s not been wasted, it can be fixed in the summer.. 

 

hopefully no more concerts blocking maintenance..

[Seymour M Hersh]

1 hour ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

Wrong again. Check the thread - the alleged failure to carry out proper maintenance was raised by another poster.

 

Any actual evidence to support his claim? Thought not. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

11 hours ago, spirt of 98 said:

How many time it was all down to that concert held in August it ruined the pitch and it’s been playing catch up ever since.

 

 

 

That's gibberish. Any possibility of getting it translated into English? 

[SUTOL]

From the pictures posted earlier it is quite obvious that the pitch only deteriorated after the womens games were played on it. 

 

 

I'll leave you all to make your own conclusions from that. 

 

 

 

 

😕

[Thomaso]

36 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Any actual evidence to support his claim? Thought not. 

I have stated “ALLEGED” on my responses. Maybe you should ask the poster for evidence, however videos and information was available on the maintenance of Hybrid pitches I believe.

[Thomaso]

On 13/01/2020 at 18:32, Jambof3tornado said:

Its not removing cores mate. Its removing the top surface.

 

Example of Maintenance info previously posted by another poster.

Edited January 21, 2020 by Thomaso

[Tommy Brown]

1 hour ago, kingantti1874 said:

well it’s not been wasted, it can be fixed in the summer.. 

 

hopefully no more concerts blocking maintenance..

Not convinced KA

Last game was may 4th, the first of the new season was 12th July, the concert wasn't  until August.

I'm struggling to believe this one.

 

The pitch getting discoloured because of the concert has been an open goal to some.

[Thomaso]

On 13/01/2020 at 18:26, tightrope said:

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2017/07/24/getting-the-needle-to-be-pitch-perfect-at-wolves/

Looks like there is maintenance skimming at season end.

Seymour - More “evidence” of the required maintenance regime for a hybrid pitch as previously posted.

Edited January 21, 2020 by Thomaso

[JamboGraham]

Once the ‘fault and the ‘culprit’ are identified what would you like to see happen to the both the ‘fault’ and the ‘culprit’ (beyond taking all reasonable steps to make sure it doesn’t happen again?).

[kila]

8 minutes ago, JamboGraham said:

Once the ‘fault and the ‘culprit’ are identified what would you like to see happen to the both the ‘fault’ and the ‘culprit’ (beyond taking all reasonable steps to make sure it doesn’t happen again?).

 

If it was beyond the club's control, like disease then fine. If it has been from poor/incompetent maintenance, especially after training from the manufacture on the various monitoring systems, then maybe more severe action needed.

 

Budge says one thing at the AGM, groundkeeper says another on here (including blaming Levein for training on it which is plausible). So who are we meant to believe?

 

The first game was July 12th, the concert was 2nd August (with only half the pitch being covered for staging).

 

 

 

 

[Vlad Magic]

Is it plausible those who damaged our mosaic crest also managed to sabotage the pitch?

 

Threw salt water or some contaminate over it?

[SUTOL]

2 hours ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

Seymour - More “evidence” of the required maintenance regime for a hybrid pitch as previously posted.

 

A small bit at the end of the quoted article.

 

On maintenance, Lumbard added: “The renovations take place in May to keep the playing surface in top shape.

“We just take the top layer off, you are only talking about six or seven millimetres, and then put it back. Job done.

“You treat the pitch exactly the same as you would with any other grass pitch.”

 

Last sentence, does that mean/imply every (top level) (pure) grass pitch is skimmed every close season as well? 

 

[RobboM]

2 minutes ago, SUTOL said:

 

A small bit at the end of the quoted article.

 

On maintenance, Lumbard added: “The renovations take place in May to keep the playing surface in top shape.

“We just take the top layer off, you are only talking about six or seven millimetres, and then put it back. Job done.

“You treat the pitch exactly the same as you would with any other grass pitch.”

 

Last sentence, does that mean/imply every (top level) (pure) grass pitch is skimmed every close season as well? 

 

It is NOT a process exclusive to hybrid pitches  .... or even football pitches. The same machinery and process is marketed to golf clubs and looks to me just like an approach to scarifying. If you want to buy one of the machines (and have a tractor to run it) there's one on eBay for £11k. All the heriot watt grass pitches could get done too!

[Seymour M Hersh]

2 hours ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

Seymour - More “evidence” of the required maintenance regime for a hybrid pitch as previously posted.

 

How stupid are you? Where is your evidence they were not maintaining the pitch. I wasn't asking for a how to video. Jeez louise you are a dreadful troll.

[SUTOL]

12 minutes ago, RobboM said:

It is NOT a process exclusive to hybrid pitches  .... or even football pitches. The same machinery and process is marketed to golf clubs and looks to me just like an approach to scarifying. If you want to buy one of the machines (and have a tractor to run it) there's one on eBay for £11k. All the heriot watt grass pitches could get done too!

 

Does the tractor come with it? 

Could be a wee business venture...💰

[Jambof3tornado]

3 hours ago, SUTOL said:

From the pictures posted earlier it is quite obvious that the pitch only deteriorated after the womens games were played on it. 

 

 

I'll leave you all to make your own conclusions from that. 

 

 

 

 

😕

High heels???