jr ewing Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 48 minutes ago, graygo said: And yet most of our Injuries happen away from Tynecastle or at training. 🥴 Mostly hard pitches some training pitches. Coincidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brux Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 3 hours ago, kila said: A reminder of the deterioration this time last year: Sun 24th Nov 2019 - Women's Cup Final Wed 4th Dec 2019 - Hearts v Livingston Sat 14th Dec 2019 - Hearts v St Johnstone Problem found, the women poisoned the grass 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 5 hours ago, jr ewing said: Not an expert, but when you walk on it you can feel how hard it is underneath and that's with only trainers on. I've said this umpteen times for a year, hard as concrete and forces your foot/ ankle over as you walk, yet it cuts up when over-watered before a game and players skidding around on their arses. No idea why, but it is not right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 hours ago, graygo said: And yet most of our Injuries happen away from Tynecastle or at training. 🥴 To be fare we only play on it about 20 times a season and train away too, so the law of averages would say injuries happen elsewhere! Doesn't say there is no problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Find the best expert on grass surfaces at football grounds and ask him to look into the way the pitch has been installed, managed & used. Look at the report and recommendations then take whatever action is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 14 hours ago, DETTY29 said: This seems like Colin Cameron and his weighted gum shield solution all over again. There is a problem but no matter how many experts engaged and money spent, we can't get to bottom of whatever the root cause is. Yeah, it seems obvious there's an inherent issue at Tynecastle which affects everything, maybe more than one. I've long wondered if it's light, maybe the shadows cast by our particularly tightly arranged, relatively tall stands prevent enough sun getting through for the grass to be healthy. It's certainly not what we expected when it was redone, I'd love to know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 5 hours ago, Smithee said: Yeah, it seems obvious there's an inherent issue at Tynecastle which affects everything, maybe more than one. I've long wondered if it's light, maybe the shadows cast by our particularly tightly arranged, relatively tall stands prevent enough sun getting through for the grass to be healthy. It's certainly not what we expected when it was redone, I'd love to know why. Hardly any sunlight gets on the pitch at Liverpool due to their huge stands - but the pitch is like a carpet......🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Jambo61 said: To be fare we only play on it about 20 times a season and train away too, so the law of averages would say injuries happen elsewhere! Doesn't say there is no problem! Did you read the post I replied to? 11 hours ago, jr ewing said: I'm convinced it's causing injuries to both teams playing on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 25 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Hardly any sunlight gets on the pitch at Liverpool due to their huge stands - but the pitch is like a carpet......🤷♂️ To be fair they have lots of those artificial lights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 41 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Hardly any sunlight gets on the pitch at Liverpool due to their huge stands - but the pitch is like a carpet......🤷♂️ I dont want to have to get a torch and cardboard boxes out but I'd bet it suffers less shade, has a larger care budget, and gets more light by being a couple of hundred miles south anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris5115 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 On 10/01/2020 at 22:50, 18grantmc74 said: That’s why it’s not fantastic cause it’s the same pitch. Top needs to come off As the Groundsman said in January the top needs to come off. Looks like this has not happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Barack said: I'd imagine that doesn't cost pennies. Possibly see it addressed in the close season. When hopefully, we're getting ready for the Premier again, and a "normal" post Covid-19/vaccination reality in practical & financial terms. The top took a wage reduction, reluctantly. I’ll get my coat.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 3 hours ago, graygo said: Did you read the post I replied to? Nah I have a life and dip in and out! I cannot really remember any long term injuries to away players playing at Tynie! I only care about our players anyway and this has gone on too long! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Today's live pitch watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Smithee said: I dont want to have to get a torch and cardboard boxes out but I'd bet it suffers less shade, has a larger care budget, and gets more light by being a couple of hundred miles south anyway Get yer touch out! 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 4 hours ago, graygo said: To be fair they have lots of those artificial lights. A point I made previously regarding our lack of lights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: A point I made previously regarding our lack of lights I think if the club are serious about leasing Tynecastle out (Scotland U21s, Scotland Women and Women Cups) they need to get enough lamps to cover the pitch. And get to the bottom of what the hell went wrong last year and this year (maybe related to the lamps). A hybrid is meant to allow for frequent football and training. Ours is clearly not doing that anymore, so whatever the reason something has to be done now otherwise there won't be money to made from the SFA in the future. Hell they are better using Fir Park tonight ours is that embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Dig deeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Panzee Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 7 hours ago, graygo said: To be fair they have lots of those artificial lights. indeed - they user UV lamps - big ones and lots of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris5115 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: A point I made previously regarding our lack of lights I don't think the no of lights we have are anything to do with the current condition of the pitch. It looks really soft hence the reason it's cutting up so easy. It would seem the plastic fibres are compacted underneath the soil and not sitting just above the ground so the rear grass can intertwine around it and make it more durable which would stop it from cutting up so easily. Pitch will be wrecked by end of December going by the present condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 Doesn't look overly bad... the grass is longer but it looks thicker than this time last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris5115 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, kila said: Doesn't look overly bad... the grass is longer but it looks thicker than this time last year. Maybe that's because our season has only just started mate. Its not what it should be. Not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I’d like the pitch sorted out before the FOH takes total control. In fact it would be a good idea to have a survey of the stadium including pitch and training facilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, mitch41 said: I’d like the pitch sorted out before the FOH takes total control. In fact it would be a good idea to have a survey of the stadium including pitch and training facilities. With a view to what? Pulling out the deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 minute ago, graygo said: With a view to what? Pulling out the deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, graygo said: With a view to what? Pulling out the deal? No it’s just that our membership know what needs done because remember it will be FOH that will be running the show. No running to anybody for loans to help us out if major works need done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, mitch41 said: No it’s just that our membership know what needs done because remember it will be FOH that will be running the show. No running to anybody for loans to help us out if major works need done. Bought as seen unfortunately. 🤷🏼♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Boris5115 said: I don't think the no of lights we have are anything to do with the current condition of the pitch. It looks really soft hence the reason it's cutting up so easy. It would seem the plastic fibres are compacted underneath the soil and not sitting just above the ground so the rear grass can intertwine around it and make it more durable which would stop it from cutting up so easily. Pitch will be wrecked by end of December going by the present condition. Could be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The American Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I just want someone with a wee paint brush with a bit Maroon paint to finish the poles supporting the nets at the Roseburn end Maroon paint stops about 2 fit short from top, been like that for about 5 seasons now fs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, mitch41 said: Find the best expert on grass surfaces at football grounds and ask him to look into the way the pitch has been installed, managed & used. Look at the report and recommendations then take whatever action is needed. Thomaso is already posting his thoughts mitch. Edited November 12, 2020 by been here before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 20 hours ago, been here before said: Thomaso is already posting his thoughts mitch. Yes I posted my thoughts on the poor condition of the pitch some time ago - I was told by “experts” like you on here there was nothing wrong with it.......🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Black Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 23 hours ago, mitch41 said: No it’s just that our membership know what needs done because remember it will be FOH that will be running the show. No running to anybody for loans to help us out if major works need done. That is a very good point. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 36 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Yes I posted my thoughts on the poor condition of the pitch some time ago - I was told by “experts” like you on here there was nothing wrong with it.......🤷♂️ Fire up a couple of my "expert posts" or we'll just assume youre talking shite as per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, been here before said: Fire up a couple of my "expert posts" or we'll just assume youre talking shite as per. You first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I noticed that Man City's pitch lights cover half the pitch at one time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 46 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: You first. Nae bother. We'll asume you're doing your usual. Easiest way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 If only weed were legalised, the LED growing light rigs would fall in price massively. But surely the club can afford to cover the pitch with them? Mr. Anderson or FoH? It is a waste of a £1m investment otherwise. It is a shame the ground keepers never got much more airtime on the documentary because a bit more behind the scenes on what they do along with the pitch monitoring tech would've been interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 38 minutes ago, jr ewing said: I noticed that Man City's pitch lights cover half the pitch at one time. Even they can’t afford the whole pitch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 33 minutes ago, been here before said: Nae bother. We'll asume you're doing your usual. Easiest way. So you insinuated I said I was an “expert” but can’t back it up....aye easiest way right enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 46 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Even they can’t afford the whole pitch? We can only afford the six yard box! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 27 minutes ago, jr ewing said: We can only afford the six yard box! Sounds about right given our revenue compared to theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Sounds about right given our revenue compared to theirs. You got the running costs for these rigs handy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris5115 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, kila said: If only weed were legalised, the LED growing light rigs would fall in price massively. But surely the club can afford to cover the pitch with them? Mr. Anderson or FoH? It is a waste of a £1m investment otherwise. It is a shame the ground keepers never got much more airtime on the documentary because a bit more behind the scenes on what they do along with the pitch monitoring tech would've been interesting. Said it several times before. The pitch was fine for the first year and we have the same no of lighting rigs then as we have now. 4 large and two smaller units. Surface has a problem and while more lightning would be good it's not the reason for the pitch being in poor condition. Top should have come off in the Summer but it would appear that never happened hence why the issues last year are still there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth to Paisley Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) Without stating the bleeding obvious the club didn't really get the opportunity to do what was needed or even what it wanted to do. Maybe/Hopefully next summer it will resolved. Edited November 13, 2020 by Perth to Paisley Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Boris5115 said: Said it several times before. The pitch was fine for the first year and we have the same no of lighting rigs then as we have now. 4 large and two smaller units. Surface has a problem and while more lightning would be good it's not the reason for the pitch being in poor condition. Top should have come off in the Summer but it would appear that never happened hence why the issues last year are still there. I realise we're going in circles now generating more heat than light on the subject BUT the top skimming sounds really small beer. 6-7mm? It feels deeper than that, in all senses “We just take the top layer off, you are only talking about six or seven millimetres, and then put it back. Job done. https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2017/07/24/getting-the-needle-to-be-pitch-perfect-at-wolves/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, RobboM said: I realise we're going in circles now generating more heat than light on the subject BUT the top skimming sounds really small beer. 6-7mm? It feels deeper than that, in all senses “We just take the top layer off, you are only talking about six or seven millimetres, and then put it back. Job done. https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2017/07/24/getting-the-needle-to-be-pitch-perfect-at-wolves/ “It stops it cutting up and divoting” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: “It stops it cutting up and divoting” Not the skimming though. That's not a process exclusive to hybrid pitches. The artificial fibres below the surface give a stable and deep anchor for the roots to entwine and that's what stops the cutting up and divoting, as far as I understood it anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, RobboM said: Not the skimming though. That's not a process exclusive to hybrid pitches. The artificial fibres below the surface give a stable and deep anchor for the roots to entwine and that's what stops the cutting up and divoting, as far as I understood it anyway Yes I know Robbo. Ours doesn’t stop the cutting up and divoting unfortunately Edited November 13, 2020 by Thomaso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Yes I know Robbo. Ours doesn’t stop the cutting up and divoting unfortunately Agreed. It feels more deep rooted problem than just the surface .... pun intended. NB I'm just speaking as an interested observer ... I've spent lockdown months watching grass grow 😋 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgie rd eh11 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Oh for ****s sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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