TheOak88 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Vlad Magic said: Shall we all create a massive cluster **** of negative posts calling for the heads of everyone or should we let some grass grow? Let’s do both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flecktimus Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 It may be the case that the whole pitch has been sanded, ask any golfer how a decent looking green can look bad after being sanded. But i do agree the pitch is not looking good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourcandles Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Boris5115 said: What I have been told is that the fibre strands that should sit just above the ground are now compacted beneath the surface. Hence the reason why the top layer needs to be skimmed off close season and these insertions will be visible again. I was also told that although they are not visable at the moment they are still helping hold the surface together and that if they weren't there the pitch would be a hell of a lot worse. Just passing on what I was told tho. Boris.....sounds like you know the Groundsman or one of his staff? Am i correct? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris5115 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fourcandles said: Boris.....sounds like you know the Groundsman or one of his staff? Am i correct? . I know someone who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Boris5115 said: What I have been told is that the fibre strands that should sit just above the ground are now compacted beneath the surface. Hence the reason why the top layer needs to be skimmed off close season and these insertions will be visible again. I was also told that although they are not visable at the moment they are still helping hold the surface together and that if they weren't there the pitch would be a hell of a lot worse. Just passing on what I was told tho. 19 minutes ago, Boris5115 said: I know someone who knows. Thanks for the info. By what you are saying, I suspect we will struggle on for the rest of the season. Hopefully a mild winter and a good spring. If not, we get heavy rain after heavy rain, this thread will go into meltdown. A proper maintenance programme after the last game and get it all re-seeded, it should get back on track. Doesn't stop being ridiculous that it has come to this, would be good to know the cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris5115 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 23 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said: Thanks for the info. By what you are saying, I suspect we will struggle on for the rest of the season. Hopefully a mild winter and a good spring. If not, we get heavy rain after heavy rain, this thread will go into meltdown. A proper maintenance programme after the last game and get it all re-seeded, it should get back on track. Doesn't stop being ridiculous that it has come to this, would be good to know the cause. Yes your right it should never have got to this but unfortunately it has . I don't believe the same vital end of season maintenance will be compromised again and that the surface will be back to what it was in its first full season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smith&Weston Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 It looks like the greens at the golf club after they have been treated in the winter to ensure they are in peak condition come May/June. Whatever happened earlier in the season has had a lasting impact that wasn’t expected. Not sure we will be doing those concerts again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Boris5115 said: What I have been told is that the fibre strands that should sit just above the ground are now compacted beneath the surface. Hence the reason why the top layer needs to be skimmed off close season and these insertions will be visible again. I was also told that although they are not visable at the moment they are still helping hold the surface together and that if they weren't there the pitch would be a hell of a lot worse. Just passing on what I was told tho. So is the failure to skim the surface in the close season the reason for the state of the pitch Boris? That has never been mentioned by the Club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 27 minutes ago, Smith&Weston said: It looks like the greens at the golf club after they have been treated in the winter to ensure they are in peak condition come May/June. Whatever happened earlier in the season has had a lasting impact that wasn’t expected. Not sure we will be doing those concerts again I dont get the maintenance not being done because of the concert, it doesn't stack up. Complete red herring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris5115 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: So is the failure to skim the surface in the close season the reason for the state of the pitch Boris? That has never been mentioned by the Club. Have the club ever mentioned anything re the pitch apart from saying that they have had no complaints. I'm not the only one who has mentioned on this topic that failure to carry out this maintenance has had an effect on the surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Just now, Boris5115 said: Have the club ever mentioned anything re the pitch apart from saying that they have had no complaints. I'm not the only one who has mentioned on this topic that failure to carry out this maintenance has had an effect on the surface. Yes it has been mentioned before Boris but you seem to have had it confirmed by someone ITK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris5115 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Yes it has been mentioned before Boris but you seem to have had it confirmed by someone ITK? I believe I answered that a few posts ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Boris5115 said: I believe I answered that a few posts ago. Just spotted it “I know someone who knows”. So finally the truth is out then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris5115 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Just now, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Just spotted it “I know someone who knows”. So finally the truth is out then. I think we all just want the pitch tip top as it was in the first season and I have not doubt that will be the case next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boris5115 said: I think we all just want the pitch tip top as it was in the first season and I have not doubt that will be the case next season. I’m sure it will be. Painful lessons have been learned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris5115 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Just now, Cruickshank for Scotland said: I’m sure it will be. Painful lessons have been learned. It's just crazy that we are having to talk about this as this major investment was supposed to ensure a pristine playing surface for years to come. As you say painful lessons have been learned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 hours ago, farin said: There wasn’t enough time between the concert & season start to do it & have a playing surface ready for the next home game. The timing of the concert so close to the new season caused this.. Our final home league cup game was 24 July. Surely the concert is irrelevant given that the skimming surely couldn't have been done and new grass grown between 24 July and the opening league game on 10 August anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, farin said: There wasn’t enough time between the concert & season start to do it & have a playing surface ready for the next home game. The timing of the concert so close to the new season caused this.. Last game 4th May First game 12th July (69 days) Last LC game 24th July First PL game 10th August (17 days) Concert 2nd Aug Next home game 31st Aug (21 days) Red ****ing Herring If 17 days was enough, we had 21 days after the Ross County game before the next. Edited January 26, 2020 by Tommy Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 9 hours ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: I’m sure it will be. Painful lessons have been learned. Dont count on it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris5115 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said: Dont count on it!! Surely not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 If the pitch was compacted by the concert, how did it recover throughout September and then deteriorate mid October? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Boris5115 said: Surely not. Only time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 11 hours ago, Tommy Brown said: I dont get the maintenance not being done because of the concert, it doesn't stack up. Complete red herring. Agreed. Suspect it serves a decent purpose of clouding real reason, and thats why its been allowed to grow wings and not quashed by those who authorised concert. But then...im a sceptic by trait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 hour ago, RobboM said: If the pitch was compacted by the concert, how did it recover throughout September and then deteriorate mid October? Or, areas where the concert did not affect. Why are those areas just as bad (eg Corner at section A)? It's BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiHMFC Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Smith&Weston said: It looks like the greens at the golf club after they have been treated in the winter to ensure they are in peak condition come May/June. Whatever happened earlier in the season has had a lasting impact that wasn’t expected. Not sure we will be doing those concerts again Aye right. As if concerts aren't more important than having the worst pitch in Scotland. Edited January 26, 2020 by RudiHMFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 19 minutes ago, farin said: The fact is the skimming wasn’t done before the concert or after it for reasons only hearts know tbh. Given the state of the pitch now it looks a very bad decision with hindsight. Hopefully we’ve learned our lesson though. Learned what lesson though? That implies someone ****ed up rather than it being a disease or something unavoidable. £1m on a pitch and the club **** it up but it's OK because lessons have been learned - essential maintenance is essential after all! I think it'll be a talking point during Sky Sport's coverage today, especially if we beat Rangers (and ironic given the state of Ibrox) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 33 minutes ago, farin said: The fact is the skimming wasn’t done before the concert or after it for reasons only hearts know tbh. Given the state of the pitch now it looks a very bad decision with hindsight. Hopefully we’ve learned our lesson though. I keep seeing assertions that this wasn't done or that wasn't done. Do we know for sure that a. they were meant to be done and b. has someone from the club admitted they were not done when they should have been? And, for the avoidance of doubt I know absolutely feck all about pitch maintenance and have no idea what should and shouldn't be done to keep the pitch at it's best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 Just now, Seymour M Hersh said: I keep seeing assertions that this wasn't done or that wasn't done. Do we know for sure that a. they were meant to be done and b. has someone from the club admitted they were not done when they should have been? And, for the avoidance of doubt I know absolutely feck all about pitch maintenance and have no idea what should and shouldn't be done to keep the pitch at it's best. Yes, the groundkeeper posted this: On 10/01/2020 at 22:50, 18grantmc74 said: That’s why it’s not fantastic cause it’s the same pitch. Top needs to come off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, kila said: Yes, the groundkeeper posted this: Cheers. So that's what skimming is taking to top off. So if it wasn't done someone is responsible and needs disciplined. I take it this skimming can't be done mid season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haringshairband Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) It's not a £1m pitch the 1m includes new drainage and undersoil heating. I take it people like throwing out the 1m figure to add drama to their posts? Edited January 26, 2020 by Haringshairband Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, farin said: Wasn't done, should’ve been done. Bad decision making that we’re paying for now. No red herring or conspiracy theory behind this, just bad judgment etc. 👍🏻 If that is the case then who took the decision and why? Given we will own the club next month, we should be told this so we can vote on the appropriate punishment. 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 Just now, Haringshairband said: It's not a £1m pitch the 1m includes new drainage and understood heating. I take it people like throwing out the 1m figure to add drama to their posts? Thank goodness you corrected that, there was us all thinking it was £1m on grass seed alone... The point is why spend £1m on such a high end pitch if the maintenance isn't going to be done right so we end up with the same shite top surface we had prior to the investment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: If that is the case then who took the decision and why? Given we will own the club next month, we should be told this so we can vote on the appropriate punishment. 😎 Groundkeeper posted on here it was out of their control, and also hinted Levein had them training on it a lot. So the conspiracy I can coin from that is back in the summer during the build up to the League Cup group stage games, Levein had them training on the Tynecastle pitch in the nice weather and he overruled the groundkeepers who wanted to take the top off. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 25 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Cheers. So that's what skimming is taking to top off. So if it wasn't done someone is responsible and needs disciplined. I take it this skimming can't be done mid season. No. The overseeding carried out will start coming through soon enough. Just need to put up with what we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, farin said: Kickback draw to see who issues the birching on the plaza, to be streamed live on hearts tv. 😄 Sounds like a plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J80MBO Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 26 minutes ago, Haringshairband said: It's not a £1m pitch the 1m includes new drainage and undersoil heating. I take it people like throwing out the 1m figure to add drama to their posts? Great post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campbell Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 From the studio box it looks in good condition, surely closer up it won’t quite look as good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky999 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, campbell said: From the studio box it looks in good condition, surely closer up it won’t quite look as good Agree with your first sentence!!! hopefully close up it also looks good Edited January 26, 2020 by Sharky999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, campbell said: From the studio box it looks in good condition, surely closer up it won’t quite look as good Let's hope so, can't have it improving or this thread dies. Well I suppose the "we demand answers" bit will carry on for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 If it rains it is going to be like the battle of the Somme today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, graygo said: Let's hope so, can't have it improving or this thread dies. Well I suppose the "we demand answers" bit will carry on for a while. This thread will get bumped in the summer with folk demanding evidence the top was actually skimmed this time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 From Sky Sports this morning. Has it been painted green since yesterday?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 21 hours ago, TheOak88 said: I would be embarrassed turning up for a Junior game on a pitch like that. 1 hour ago, TheOak88 said: If it rains it is going to be like the battle of the Somme today. What a drama queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 hours ago, farin said: Wasn't done, should’ve been done. Bad decision making that we’re paying for now. No red herring or conspiracy theory behind this, just bad judgment etc. 👍🏻 Unfortunately, the concert keeps getting thrown in as an excuse for the missed maintenance, where I pointed out there was a 21 day period petween games after the concert. Hence my red herring comment. I am of the opinion that it has been really poor judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 30 minutes ago, kila said: From Sky Sports this morning. Has it been painted green since yesterday?! I remember seeing a documentary on the EPL. it was looking back at the 80's, (pre EPL) pitches were generally grassless mudbaths. Aston Villa's in particular, a really bad one. They painted the mud green, players interviwed were laughing at it being like a glue once it got all trampled on and mixed in with the mud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I thought pitch looked to have improved on Saturday Not brilliant to look at but good enough to play football on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Thought it played and looked a fair bit better.. 4 -6 more weeks till the grass starts growing again.. then a refurb in summer.. all good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, The White Cockade said: I thought pitch looked to have improved on Saturday Not brilliant to look at but good enough to play football on Definitely looked better than the pictures suggested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 The pitch played a blinder yesterday with the Rangers defender slipping on it at Naisy’s goal. ☺️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 On 26/01/2020 at 14:12, farin said: Regardless, it’s done & we have to now get on with it as it is tbh. I've seen it a lot worse at this time of year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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