Swanny17 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Absolutely shocking if true. ? https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/esmael-goncalves-claims-minority-of-hearts-fans-racially-abused-him-1-4688586 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/esmael-goncalves-claims-minority-of-hearts-fans-racially-abused-him-1-4688586 We really do have some utter cretins amongst our support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thommo414 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/esmael-goncalves-claims-minority-of-hearts-fans-racially-abused-him-1-4688586 Just read this. Glad he pointed out that it was definitely only a minority of the support but shows just how much the man was up against it here and I can honestly understand why he hated the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Interesting https://t.co/RFMmQC0Zdu First of, the ‘minority’ of Hearts fans who subjected him and his family to this abuse should take a long walk of a short cliff. Inexcusable. However, what is also inexcusable is punishing the majority of Hearts fans by going to the Edinburgh press with this. Only served to damage the club who gave him a home and a platform to play at a decent level. As the article progresses, it does start to read like the racism angle is complimented by trying to excuse his poor form and there being lots of money on offer in Uzbekistan. Moves very quickly from references of being called “****ing black” to “****ing shit”. Very different things! Why move over to Uzbekistan to escape racism? It’s probably worse over there! I’m not denying there is a prehistoric element to our support, but blaming the minority of our supporters for his drop in form is bullshit imo. Expecting pelters for this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thommo414 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I just made an attempt to start a thread on this but you Must've posted as I was still writing. It is absolutely shocking and its honestly the most disgusting way to treat someone. Hope fans over at his new club are a bit more respectful than some of the wanks we have here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 It’s 100% true. No idea if his family sat anywhere near the two different seats in different stands that I’ve occupied since he’s been at Hearts, but I’ve heard him called a black ******* on plenty of occasions. Also heard him called a coon at Hampden in the League Cup Final. We have some ****ing scum in our support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 If this is true then it really is sad. It is 2018 ffs. Really hate the thought of this. But as I said, IF it is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, i8hibsh said: If this is true then it really is sad. It is 2018 ffs. Really hate the thought of this. But as I said, IF it is true. Of course it’s true ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Find it hard to believe any hearts fans would condone racial shouts at our players and not be challenged or reported to security Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, Ryder said: Of course it’s true ffs. Why of course? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 That's a horrible read. We should be having a long hard look at ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumpson Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Obviously completely unacceptable, very poor for the club. If he didn't like it here he could well be in for a shock in Uzbekistan though ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said: Interesting https://t.co/RFMmQC0Zdu First of, the ‘minority’ of Hearts fans who subjected him and his family to this abuse should take a long walk of a short cliff. Inexcusable. However, what is also inexcusable is punishing the majority of Hearts fans by going to the Edinburgh press with this. Only served to damage the club who gave him a home and a platform to play at a decent level. As the article progresses, it does start to read like the racism angle is complimented by trying to excuse his poor form and there being lots of money on offer in Uzbekistan. Moves very quickly from references of being called “****ing black” to “****ing shit”. Very different things! Why move over to Uzbekistan to escape racism? It’s probably worse over there! I’m not denying there is a prehistoric element to our support, but blaming the minority of our supporters for his drop in form is bullshit imo. Expecting pelters for this... Its not inexcusable at all ffs. He was racially abused in front of his wife and kids. No point hiding from it or trying to blame him for speaking out about it. We to start accepting we have folk like that in our support and hopefully deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, DH1986 said: https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/esmael-goncalves-claims-minority-of-hearts-fans-racially-abused-him-1-4688586 We really do have some utter cretins amongst our support. Allegedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Why of course? Because Ive heard it happen plenty of times with my own ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thommo414 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, i8hibsh said: If this is true then it really is sad. It is 2018 ffs. Really hate the thought of this. But as I said, IF it is true. Obviously there is a large element of hearsay within the whole thing but from hearing the vitriol he took from the stands week after week, I don't find it hard to believe we've some sections of the support mentally unhinged enough to think it's acceptable to chuck racist abuse his way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Said on the other thread find it hard to believe any hearts fan to condone this at a game or not challenge an idiot or report to security If you are hearing stuff like this then we need these idiots punted. No place for it at tynecastle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Ryder said: Its not inexcusable at all ffs. He was racially abused in front of his wife and kids. No point hiding from it or trying to blame him for speaking out about it. We to start accepting we have folk like that in our support and hopefully deal with it. Poor choice of words on my part chief, you’re absolutely right in what you said. Breaks my heart that these problems still exist in our club, but equally that us good folk get tarred with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, kimosavi said: Said on the other thread find it hard to believe any hearts fan to condone this at a game or not challenge an idiot or report to security If you are hearing stuff like this then we need these idiots punted. No place for it at tynecastle This. I’ve called it out a few times myself at games. Stewards are out of their depth though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ryder said: Because Ive heard it happen plenty of times with my own ears. I have not. I am not naive enough to think it does not happen but I certainly do not want to live in a society that convicts a minority of people of a crime just because they have been accused of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Should have highlighted it whilst he was here.. Absolutely positive if he had highlighted this type of thing in the vicinity of his family the club would ha e taken every measure necessary to deal with it it.. Pretty strange to only highlight a grievance after you've left.. Even stranger to try Nd resolve that problem by going to Uzbekistan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Louis Valois Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Shocked at reading this, hand on heart I've never heard any racist abuse from any fellow Hearts fans around me. And to be honest I'd find it hard to just sit there and listen to it if I did. Surprised these people haven't been reported by other fans before now. Shocking if true this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 This should surprise nobody. Disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 What an absolute embarrassment. This is really quite shameful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Thommo414 said: I just made an attempt to start a thread on this but you Must've posted as I was still writing. It is absolutely shocking and its honestly the most disgusting way to treat someone. Hope fans over at his new club are a bit more respectful than some of the wanks we have here With all due respect thommo uzbekistan is going to be worse than anything he hears in Scotland unfortunatlley for the lad wish him well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Shaton Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Ryder said: It’s 100% true. No idea if his family sat anywhere near the two different seats in different stands that I’ve occupied since he’s been at Hearts, but I’ve heard him called a black ******* on plenty of occasions. Also heard him called a coon at Hampden in the League Cup Final. We have some ****ing scum in our support. We do. They’re not going to stop being dicks spontaneously though. They need reported and banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 If people have heard racial abuse and i am not having a go but.... What did you do about it???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thommo414 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, kimosavi said: With all due respect thommo uzbekistan is going to be worse than anything he hears in Scotland unfortunatlley for the lad wish him well. I'm not necessarily doubting it, but I really don't know anything about the place or the people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: Should have highlighted it whilst he was here.. Absolutely positive if he had highlighted this type of thing in the vicinity of his family the club would ha e taken every measure necessary to deal with it it.. Pretty strange to only highlight a grievance after you've left.. Even stranger to try Nd resolve that problem by going to Uzbekistan I sit close to where the players families etc. have been sitting in the main stand. I’ve heard players, including Isma, being abused unacceptably. I’ve heard racist abuse directed at one of our players (pretty sure it was him). Not that strange only highlighting after he has left. Perhaps he just wanted to get away from the club, and not making a big fuss made that easier for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Tyson Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 No surprise his form dipped towards the end of his run. He definitely never got the patience from fans that other players had, and I did hear some unsavoury words used against him. I’m impressed that he seemed quite calm in him interview, and turned down the chance to properly go to town on the club and or fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, Ryder said: It’s 100% true. No idea if his family sat anywhere near the two different seats in different stands that I’ve occupied since he’s been at Hearts, but I’ve heard him called a black ******* on plenty of occasions. Also heard him called a coon at Hampden in the League Cup Final. We have some ****ing scum in our support. I think it's the same for pretty much every club. No club is safe from the spangles who choose to support them. Some feral old woman near me with no teeth racially abuses opposition black players every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, kimosavi said: If people have heard racial abuse and i am not having a go but.... What did you do about it???? In the particular instance I refer to, the guy in front of me reported to a steward, as he was able to pinpoint the person who had shouted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJenkins Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Entirely possible although I haven’t heard anything. I’d 100% get a racist prick told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 11 hours ago, Swanny17 said: Absolutely shocking if true. ? https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/esmael-goncalves-claims-minority-of-hearts-fans-racially-abused-him-1-4688586 But he still recommended the club to our on loan midfielder from Sion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Diabolical. Naively I thought these kind of comments were long gone from Scottish football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, kimosavi said: If people have heard racial abuse and i am not having a go but.... What did you do about it???? Very good question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Section Q said: But he still recommended the club to our on loan midfielder from Sion. Aye? I thought that was Jose Goncalves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thommo414 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, Peebo said: Aye? I thought that was Jose Goncalves... Pretty sure it was Jose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Section Q said: But he still recommended the club to our on loan midfielder from Sion. He didn’t though did he? It was big Jose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 11 hours ago, Gashauskis9 said: He didn’t though did he? It was big Jose. 11 hours ago, Gashauskis9 said: He didn’t though did he? It was big Jose. Could be right chaps..... my mistake....! I personally haven't heard any racial stuff from where I sit so hopefully it's an isolated incident. Good luck in Uzbekistan though..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 15 minutes ago, kimosavi said: If people have heard racial abuse and i am not having a go but.... What did you do about it???? Post about it on a fans forum. We really do have some shitebag cretins in our support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Anyone hearing racial abuse should report it. Take note of who it is, seat numbers etc and get in touch with the club / police. disgusting and shameful. Even though it’s apparently only a few it’s disgraceful for our club to be dragged down by it. i don’t understand why he never went to the club or even police about it at the time though ? It would of been dealt with. if I ever heard anyone around me come out with that filth I wouldn’t sit and do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought Police Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Not surprised at all. Some of the casual racism from our fans is quite sad. This was mentioned on a couple of threads, and too many people were quick to shut it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Fredrickson Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 It is a disgrace that he and his family have suffered such abuse. Not only has it harmed them but it also harms OUR club - both in reputation and the impact on players. Why do so many folk criticise our own players at games rather than encourage? Surely folk realise that criticism (let alone abuse) isnt going to help our players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 28 minutes ago, Ryder said: Its not inexcusable at all ffs. He was racially abused in front of his wife and kids. No point hiding from it or trying to blame him for speaking out about it. We to start accepting we have folk like that in our support and hopefully deal with it. So it is inexcusable. i.e. there can be no excuse for it. 26 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said: Poor choice of words on my part chief, you’re absolutely right in what you said. Breaks my heart that these problems still exist in our club, but equally that us good folk get tarred with it. Your choice of words was correct. It absolutely is inexcusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irufushi Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 31 minutes ago, Ryder said: Because Ive heard it happen plenty of times with my own ears. Provide evidence plz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave McCreery's knee Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 His comment that his brother felt some fans were not happy because it was him that had scored backs up his position for me. I have said it before on here that a few guys sitting along from me slated him all game at Murrayfield and then didnt celebrate or even applaud when he scored a really good goal (cut in from left, scored with his right). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought Police Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, Irufushi said: Provide evidence plz. Are you one of these people who denies it happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said: Anyone hearing racial abuse should report it. Take note of who it is, seat numbers etc and get in touch with the club / police. disgusting and shameful. Even though it’s apparently only a few it’s disgraceful for our club to be dragged down by it. i don’t understand why he never went to the club or even police about it at the time though ? It would of been dealt with. if I ever heard anyone around me come out with that filth I wouldn’t sit and do nothing. I agree with the sentiment. However, it is quite possible that people will hear things being said, without having sufficient information to take things to the police. For example, with thousands of people on the stadium, it can be hard to pinpoint who said something. As for Isma, sounds like it just made him want to leave (understandably). Perhaps he thought not raising it officially was easiest way for that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought Police Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, Dave McCreery's knee said: His comment that his brother felt some fans were not happy because it was him that had scored backs up his position for me. I have said it before on here that a few guys sitting along from me slated him all game at Murrayfield and then didnt celebrate or even applaud when he scored a really good goal (cut in from left, scored with his right). This is my experience too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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