Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[The Mighty Thor]

2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

How to avoid exposing divisions.

 

 

That's bizarre, the House didn't get the chance to go over the original deal in any detail before it was horsed through. 

 

It's definitely shots fired from Rashid. 

[SectionDJambo]

Johnson, Farage, Rees Mogg, the ERG and the ulta right wing media will be extremely worried that this arrangement to be announced actually works and makes sense. What would they then look like, having backed the oven ready deal or wanted no deal at all. 

This will rumble on and on, because the agitators will just keep agitating and stirring up English National Party poison.

[Lovecraft]

So NI are still in the EU?

 

 

[WorldChampions1902]

11 minutes ago, Lovecraft said:

So NI are still in the EU?

 

 

Most likely.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

I really can’t keep with all this. No idea what the new deal means

[Lovecraft]

33 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

Most likely.

Nice.

 

Good job.

 

 

[Lovecraft]

8 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

I really can’t keep with all this. No idea what the new deal means

It means NI can get shit loads of fresh vegetables.

 

 

[Cade]

Here's a wee summary.

 

NI is still in the Customs Unions and as such is subject to EU law.

Medicines and supermarket foods will be allowed to move between NI and the UK without checks.

Everything else will still need customs checks.
Stormont gets power to put a brake on this if it feels the situation has changed. Westminster can veto this "Stormont brake" if they feel like Stormont is just being a bunch of dicks.

 

So, all in all, it's more or less "as you were", except that supermarkets and medicines get a bit less red tape.

 

[WorldChampions1902]

15 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

I really can’t keep with all this. No idea what the new deal means

Remember first time around, Michael Gove declared that NI now had, “the best of both worlds” because they had access to both U.K. and EU markets.
 

After today’s tweaks, that will still be true and so the Disenfranchised Unionist Party will remain exactly that.

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, Cade said:

Here's a wee summary.

 

NI is still in the Customs Unions and as such is subject to EU law.

Medicines and supermarket foods will be allowed to move between NI and the UK without checks.

Everything else will still need customs checks.
Stormont gets power to put a brake on this if it feels the situation has changed. Westminster can veto this "Stormont brake" if they feel like Stormont is just being a bunch of dicks.

 

So, all in all, it's more or less "as you were", except that supermarkets and medicines get a bit less red tape.

 

What politicians will be the most upset with this?

[WorldChampions1902]

1 minute ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

What politicians will be the most upset with this?

Francois and his ERG acolytes along with the DUP.

[The Mighty Thor]

3 minutes ago, Cade said:

Stormont gets power to put a brake on this if it feels the situation has changed. Westminster can veto this "Stormont brake" if they feel like Stormont is just being a bunch of dicks.

 

This is the best bit for me.

 

It just underlines to the flat earthers that their opinion counts for feck all and whilst they may desperately want to be British the English Nationalist Tories couldn't give a shiny shite about them. 

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

Just now, WorldChampions1902 said:

Francois and his ERG acolytes along with the DUP.

👍

[periodictabledancer]

DUP will be raging. Rishi refuses to clarify role of ECJ in N I. 

 

We can guess what that means. 

 

DUP struggling now with a GFA they never accepted, Irish passports  (ergo EU passports) and now ECJ interfering.

Gino Francois should also be good value on tonight's media. 

[periodictabledancer]

4 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

What politicians will be the most upset with this?

DUP and erg nutters in equal measure. 

DUP cos it's foreign rule and erg cos their mantra of taking back control has demonstrably failed. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, periodictabledancer said:

DUP and erg nutters in equal measure. 

DUP cos it's foreign rule and erg cos their mantra of taking back control has demonstrably failed. 

Brilliant.

[SectionDJambo]

5 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said:

DUP and erg nutters in equal measure. 

DUP cos it's foreign rule and erg cos their mantra of taking back control has demonstrably failed. 

Let the fun and gnashing of teeth begin.

[Cade]

And now we wait to see if the Brexit loons will sink this in Parliament.

 

Rish! not saying when the vote is, to give his whips plenty time to crack some heads.

[periodictabledancer]

From the BBC....

 

• It also "safeguards sovereignty for Northern Ireland". Sunak said the NI Assembly would be able to stop EU goods laws applying in Northern Ireland - by using a “Stormont brake”. Von der Leyen stressed this was an emergency mechanism, and said ***** the European Court of Justice would continue to have the final say on single market issues*****

[ri Alban]

So when does Scotland get the same deal?

[pablo]

 

Seems like quite a pragmatic solution to me, especially on Trade and the movement of goods. Grudingly Sunak has actually been fairly impressive over this. 

 

Doesn't half highlight what a lunatic BJ was during the whole sorry saga.

 

If he gets it through, will it not effectively end the ERG and DUP?

[il Duce McTarkin]

13 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

If he gets it through, will it not effectively end the ERG and DUP?

 

Hope so.

[Footballfirst]

The "Windsor Framework"

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1138989/The_Windsor_Framework_a_new_way_forward.pdf

[joondalupjambo]

Labour will most likely support this deal and therefore votes from the ERG and/ or the DUP will probably not be needed to get this through.

 

 

[manaliveits105]

Well done Prime Minister 

onwards and upwards 

[Nucky Thompson]

Hopefully this signals that the Europeans are past wanting to punish us for Brexit 

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

Just now, Nucky Thompson said:

Hopefully this signals that the Europeans are past wanting to punish us for Brexit 

 

 

They never did want or need to 'punish us'.

 

They knew the Tories and their self imposed economic sanctions would be enough of a punishment. 

 

How right they were. 

[Footballfirst]

2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

They never did want or need to 'punish us'.

 

They knew the Tories and their self imposed economic sanctions would be enough of a punishment. 

 

How right they were. 

Yup, the Tories indulged in self flagellation in order to "get Brexit done", and continue to do so.

[The Real Maroonblood]

6 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

They never did want or need to 'punish us'.

 

They knew the Tories and their self imposed economic sanctions would be enough of a punishment. 

 

How right they were. 

Spot on.

[Cade]

What are you on about "punish"?

 

The EU has rules about dealing with 3rd nations which are neither in the EU or the Customs Union or any other trade body.

 

All they have ever done is ensure that these rules are followed.

 

 

[ri Alban]

22 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Hopefully this signals that the Europeans are past wanting to punish us for Brexit 

 

 

Aye, cause they had to do that, when the Tories did it to us all.

Edited February 27, 2023 by ri Alban

[Des Lynam]

40 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Hopefully this signals that the Europeans are past wanting to punish us for Brexit 

 

 

I think it signals the Europeans are grown up enough to know that this very delicate border issue needed sorted without any political grandstanding. 

[pablo]

2 minutes ago, Des Lynam said:

I think it signals the Europeans are grown up enough to know that this very delicate border issue needed sorted without any political grandstanding. 

 

Yes, I'd agree with that. Although I'd say that it's not until Sunak got involved that we had a grown up on our side, capable of keeping things sensible enough to get to this point. The EU has been complimentary about his collaborative approach. 

[Cade]

EU has allowed the UK to make a customs green lane for medicine and food, but this will be still policed by the EJC.

NI remains in the Customs Union.

Stormont can protest trade disagreements but Westminster can over-rule that protest and final judgement lies with the ECJ anyhow.

 

We'll see how much medicine and food tries to get smuggled over the border in the coming months/years....

[ri Alban]

It can only be a good thing. Sick of this Brexit shite.

[pablo]

1 minute ago, ri Alban said:

It can only be a good thing. Sick of this Brexit shite.

 

Totally. Sounds like it was a good spirit negotiation with concessions made on both sides to meet in the middle. Always required in any successful negotiation. Hopefully the start of a better relationship between the UK and EU. Which as you say, has to be good for everyone.

[Nucky Thompson]

33 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Aye, cause they had to do that, when the Tories did it to us all.

Regardless of the mess the Tories made of it, the EU still wanted to punish us for voting to leave.

 

There are also British citizens who still want them to punish us just because they didn't vote for it.

Cutting their nose off to spite their face basically 

[The Mighty Thor]

8 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

There are also British citizens who still want them to punish us just because they didn't vote for it.

Cutting their nose off to spite their face basically 

😂

 

We've literally shrunk our economy by 4% just for the bantz. 

 

 

[Cade]

Rish! spells it out nice and clearly:

 

"If we want to avoid a hard border between NI and Ireland, then there must be a role for EU law"

 

[WorldChampions1902]

7 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Regardless of the mess the Tories made of it, the EU still wanted to punish us for voting to leave.

 

There are also British citizens who still want them to punish us just because they didn't vote for it.

Cutting their nose off to spite their face basically 

Please provide some specific examples of alleged “punishment”, meted out by the EU.

 

As has already been stated, the “third nation” rules were crystal clear BEFORE we signed. They were already being applied to other countries, long before we decided to “cut off our nose to spite our face”.

 

Furthermore, the deal we signed was trumpeted as, “oven-ready” and a “fantastic deal” where we “had our cake and eat it - a cakeist deal!. There were “no downsides and only considerable upsides”. We seemingly, “held all the cards”. We were guaranteed, “cheaper food, clothes and shoes”, unicorns and Sunny uplands.
 

The “punishment” you fantasise about was meted out on the back of the aforementioned lies (and many more), by a Tory Junta that conned the hard of thinking. Despite volumes of evidence to the contrary, being presented to those with such “cognitive difficulties”. The vast majority of which have come to fruition.

 

In summary, 17m+ voters, elected to punish the whole population of the U.K. Those that voted to Remain have every justification to feel p*****d off. That ain’t gonna change. 

[manaliveits105]

Well done Keir in supporting the bill 

I’m warming to him I hope he remains leader of the opposition for many years to come 

[The Mighty Thor]

Any sign of Spaffer?

 

Big day for his legacy. No? 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Well Done Mr Sunak . 

[Korky]

12 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

Please provide some specific examples of alleged “punishment”, meted out by the EU.

 

As has already been stated, the “third nation” rules were crystal clear BEFORE we signed. They were already being applied to other countries, long before we decided to “cut off our nose to spite our face”.

 

Furthermore, the deal we signed was trumpeted as, “oven-ready” and a “fantastic deal” where we “had our cake and eat it - a cakeist deal!. There were “no downsides and only considerable upsides”. We seemingly, “held all the cards”. We were guaranteed, “cheaper food, clothes and shoes”, unicorns and Sunny uplands.
 

The “punishment” you fantasise about was meted out on the back of the aforementioned lies (and many more), by a Tory Junta that conned the hard of thinking. Despite volumes of evidence to the contrary, being presented to those with such “cognitive difficulties”. The vast majority of which have come to fruition.

 

In summary, 17m+ voters, elected to punish the whole population of the U.K. Those that voted to Remain have every justification to feel p*****d off. That ain’t gonna change. 

‘Tory junta’!

I must have dreamt the election landslide and slept through the days when the tanks were on the streets installing them!
 

[Nucky Thompson]

26 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

Please provide some specific examples of alleged “punishment”, meted out by the EU.

 

As has already been stated, the “third nation” rules were crystal clear BEFORE we signed. They were already being applied to other countries, long before we decided to “cut off our nose to spite our face”.

 

Furthermore, the deal we signed was trumpeted as, “oven-ready” and a “fantastic deal” where we “had our cake and eat it - a cakeist deal!. There were “no downsides and only considerable upsides”. We seemingly, “held all the cards”. We were guaranteed, “cheaper food, clothes and shoes”, unicorns and Sunny uplands.
 

The “punishment” you fantasise about was meted out on the back of the aforementioned lies (and many more), by a Tory Junta that conned the hard of thinking. Despite volumes of evidence to the contrary, being presented to those with such “cognitive difficulties”. The vast majority of which have come to fruition.

 

In summary, 17m+ voters, elected to punish the whole population of the U.K. Those that voted to Remain have every justification to feel p*****d off. That ain’t gonna change. 

The French deliberately causing huge tailbacks at Dover and Calais and blaming it on Brexit springs to mind.

 

It would be the same if Scotland voted to leave the UK. The UK government would make things as hard as possible to punish us

[manaliveits105]

The Spanish stamping our passports 😡

[The Mighty Thor]

7 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The French deliberately causing huge tailbacks at Dover and Calais and blaming it on Brexit springs to mind.

😂

 

The daily mail back catalogue getting a good run out tonight 😂

[WorldChampions1902]

Just now, The Mighty Thor said:

😂

 

The daily mail back catalogue getting a good run out tonight 😂

Not half! 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

4 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

I really can’t keep with all this. No idea what the new deal means

If it means I can now order flowers for my Mum from M&S on UK Mother's Day, it works. If not, it's bollocks. That's one example of protocol bollocks that has happened in the past few years.

 

The DUPpers are generally morons but they've been right to oppose the protocol in its practice since Johnson and Varadker drew it up on the back of a fag packet.

 

This deal is the smelliest of compromises but it is the best the DUPpers are going to get. Whether they have the political nous to see that is a different question. They also need to own the airtime in that fashion in NI, rather than letting idiots like Jamie Bryson stand on bins and squeak and Jim Allister do his barrister "No" shtick.

[periodictabledancer]

43 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The French deliberately causing huge tailbacks at Dover and Calais and blaming it on Brexit springs to mind.

 

It would be the same if Scotland voted to leave the UK. The UK government would make things as hard as possible to punish us

Folk in Scotland getting upset at delays at Dover. 🙄

 

You missed the bit where the French put on the extra staff they agreed to , just to help out yer English pals. Problem was the queues started at 4.00 am and the French weren't that obliging. But,  facts ,tho.