Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[Jambo-Jimbo]

2 minutes ago, jake said:

Oh come on.

BBC news last piece.

The bit where she stocked up on pasta sauce.

????????? 

 

Its unbelievable ???? 

 

????

 

There was guy on the TV the other week who is stocking up on dried packet foods, the kinds they have on the space station, fecking mental as feck, panic panic panic panic.

[Ulysses]

Just now, jake said:

Oh come on.

BBC news last piece.

The bit where she stocked up on pasta sauce.

????????? 

 

Its unbelievable ???? 

 

????

 

 

Pasta sauce? 

 

Not some bratwurst, parma ham, a few bottles of a decent Haut-Médoc, and some Trappist beers?

 

Ah here.

[Ulysses]

44 minutes ago, sairyinthat said:

 

Then the EU will have to amend /change their rule or expel/suspend Southern Ireland from the club I would imagine they piggy backed entry on the UK as I doubt they would have been seen as a beneficial partner to the Union without the UK.Probably offend some but what do they actually bring to the Community I apologise in advance. 

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

2 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

 

Pasta sauce? 

 

Not some bratwurst, parma ham, a few bottles of a decent Haut-Médoc, and some Trappist beers?

 

Ah here.

 

Trappist/Abbey beers (Belgian), now I have to admit I have bought quite a few this month (couple of cases), but only because they are on offer, besides they'll be gone by 29 March. ?

Edited January 28, 2019 by Jambo-Jimbo

[Ulysses]

Just now, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Trappist/Abbey beers, now I have to admit I have bought quite a few this month (couple of cases), but only because they are on offer, besides they'll be gone by 29 March. ?

 

 

[jake]

Just now, Ulysses said:

 

 

Pasta sauce? 

 

Not some bratwurst, parma ham, a few bottles of a decent Haut-Médoc, and some Trappist beers?

 

Ah here.

 

5 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Also a good thing from the stand point of the 'Obesity Crisis' we keep hearing about. 

 

Noticed McDonald's & KFC logo's on the BBC report, please tell me that McDonald's & KFC didn't sign this letter as well, McDonald's & KFC FFS, as if they give a shit about food supplies, all they are worried about is their profit margin taking a hit & feck all else.

It's funny but it's really not.

 

Without my brexit specs on .

It's like doubletalk .

 

Anyway

[Ulysses]

Just now, jake said:

 

It's funny

 

Just now, jake said:

 

Anyway

 

 

Fixed that for you. 

[jake]

2 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

 

 

Fixed that for you. 

And looking back it needed it.

 

[Mikey1874]

Still over 8 weeks to go

 

Should be fine to stock up with 3 weeks to go / in March

 

Should know by then if No Deal still on. 26 Feb rings a bell as date we should  know. 

 

 

[Ulysses]

2 minutes ago, jake said:

And looking back it needed it.

 

 

You need to go buy some Belgian beer, and then it'll be fine. 

 

 

 

(the above advice may also apply to beer from any country, by the way)

[Jambo-Jimbo]

9 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

 

 

Affligem Dubbel £1.07 a bottle at Beerwulf.

Bought 3 cases, should keep me going for a few weeks, maybe. 

 

P.S. The sad thing is, I've had most of them in that photo, I'm partial to the Chimay Blue.

Edited January 28, 2019 by Jambo-Jimbo

[Ulysses]

1 minute ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Affligem Dubbel £1.07 a bottle at Beerwulf.

Bought 3 cases, should keep me going for all too brief a period..... 

 

Fixed that for you. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 minute ago, Ulysses said:

 

Fixed that for you. 

 

Sadly true. ?

[Francis Albert]

16 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

Leaving that aside, the reason the backstop is needed is to avoid a hard border that would damage the GFA. 

 

Who said that? 

 

The British Government said that, when it was trying to persuade the EU to commence post-Brexit agreement talks early.

 

Unless the British Government was lying, in which case why should the EU 27 trust them anyway.

 

The UK Government said it had alternative plans that would also avoid a hard border.  These plans have never materialised, despite repeated requests from the EU 27 for more information about them.

Uly going into selective quoting overdrive. No-one has said that brexit and a hard border would not damage the GFA. Of course it will because it will give a few hundred dissident IRA men an excuse to start bombing again. 

It remains a fact that brexit and customs controls on the irish border would not be in breach of the GFA and as yet no-one has quoted anything in the GFA to comtradict that assertion.

Remainers lies it seems are ok.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

13 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

Uly going into selective quoting overdrive. No-one has said that brexit and a hard border would not damage the GFA. Of course it will because it will give a few hundred dissident IRA men an excuse to start bombing again. 

It remains a fact that brexit and customs controls on the irish border would not be in breach of the GFA and as yet no-one has quoted anything in the GFA to comtradict that assertion.

Remainers lies it seems are ok.

 

I also laugh at the panic over the GFA when Northern Ireland hasn't had a functioning assembly for two years. Two years! That's how well the current political system there is working.

[JamboX2]

34 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

 

I also laugh at the panic over the GFA when Northern Ireland hasn't had a functioning assembly for two years. Two years! That's how well the current political system there is working.

 

That inactivity is because the DUP have no desire to reopen the NI Executive. At least until after Brexit. At the moment they hold all the cards. SF don't have sitting MPs and nor do the SDLP, Alliance or moderate Unionists (except Lady Hermon).

 

Given the Exec must have a broad representation between parties and communities they'd likely not get agreement on the hard Brexit they want from an Assembly and coalition partners who would hold a greater share of the vote between them and all in favour of remain.

 

The DUP are flagrantly ignoring the spirit of the GFA as it is. To hell with the consequences of it. The SoS for NI has not demanded or threatened new elections on the back of the lack of progress in reopening the executive; as she can and should. 

 

Added to that;

 

- They've no interest in allowing an  Assembly investigation into the goings on with the farmers,

- They've no interest in scrutiny of Ian Paisley Jnr's activities

 

No interest in reopening it. At all.

 

They've May up against the wall. She can't do what she should be to reopen Stormont under the NI Act because the DUP are propping her up. Absolute mad house. It's abject given no one in NI has their assembly to effectively scrutinise the Brexit situation from their perspective. Unless of course you're a DUP voter.

Edited January 29, 2019 by JamboX2

[Cade]

I'd have thought that the political turmoil in NI would be a reason to AVOID having delicate border problems

 

[Mikey1874]

Seems it's all going to be sorted now.

 

A major step forward if the Conservative Party finally unites on a position today. (Renegotiating  the Backstop)

 

Maybe. 

Edited January 29, 2019 by Mikey1874

[Cade]

Amending May's discredited deal to ask for things the EU has already ruled out over the last two years

 

[Mikey1874]

May says today (debate in Parliament  and votes on amendments) is about "agreeing a negotiating mandate to go back to EU". 

[Cade]

Make deal with EU

Have deal rejected by UK parliament

Try to change deal to get through UK parliament

Go back to EU asking for changes

 

It's all bloody backwards

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

16 minutes ago, Cade said:

Make deal with EU

Have deal rejected by UK parliament

Try to change deal to get through UK parliament

Go back to EU asking for changes

 

It's all bloody backwards

 

This is it. They're doing now what they should have been doing 18 months ago.

 

The situation is down to the arrogance of people like David Davis who genuinely thought the EU would have to accept whatever the UK demanded.

[Cade]

Anybody with a brain realises that what should have happened was:

Firstly, to set up a cross-party national convention on Brexit so that Parliament as a whole could agree on what our negotiating stance was going to be.

THEN trigger Article 50 once that was done and then start negotiations with the EU.

Then modify the bill as needed over the two year period so everything was done and dusted by the leaving date.

No uncertainty, no market jitters, no mass exodus of businesses, no political paralysis.

 

Instead we had the Tory party trying to do it all itself without consulting anybody, fighting amongst themselves so much that nothing got done and the PM ended up slapping together some gobshite deal all on her own and Parliament refuses to accept it.

We're leaving in 59 days time FFS

 

 

[doctor jambo]

8 minutes ago, Cade said:

Anybody with a brain realises that what should have happened was:

Firstly, to set up a cross-party national convention on Brexit so that Parliament as a whole could agree on what our negotiating stance was going to be.

THEN trigger Article 50 once that was done and then start negotiations with the EU.

Then modify the bill as needed over the two year period so everything was done and dusted by the leaving date.

No uncertainty, no market jitters, no mass exodus of businesses, no political paralysis.

 

Instead we had the Tory party trying to do it all itself without consulting anybody, fighting amongst themselves so much that nothing got done and the PM ended up slapping together some gobshite deal all on her own and Parliament refuses to accept it.

We're leaving in 59 days time FFS

 

 

Labour too busy signing letters in support of Maduro .

 

[ri Alban]

[NANOJAMBO]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

Anybody with a brain realises that what should have happened was:

Firstly, to set up a cross-party national convention on Brexit so that Parliament as a whole could agree on what our negotiating stance was going to be.

THEN trigger Article 50 once that was done and then start negotiations with the EU.

Then modify the bill as needed over the two year period so everything was done and dusted by the leaving date.

No uncertainty, no market jitters, no mass exodus of businesses, no political paralysis.

 

Instead we had the Tory party trying to do it all itself without consulting anybody, fighting amongst themselves so much that nothing got done and the PM ended up slapping together some gobshite deal all on her own and Parliament refuses to accept it.

We're leaving in 59 days time FFS

 

 

[NANOJAMBO]

17 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

Uly going into selective quoting overdrive. No-one has said that brexit and a hard border would not damage the GFA. Of course it will because it will give a few hundred dissident IRA men an excuse to start bombing again. 

It remains a fact that brexit and customs controls on the irish border would not be in breach of the GFA and as yet no-one has quoted anything in the GFA to comtradict that assertion.

Remainers lies it seems are ok.

Fair enough but that glosses over the absolute certainty that a "border" , regardless of it's make up, if introduced,  will havea  severely damaging impact on the economy, day to day living etc, etc, etc. 

 

And as you know perfectly well, but conveniently fail to mention, the return to a border that Brexit may bring was never envisaged and  the GFA was not predicated on a Brexit scenario. Quite the reverse , in fact. So your point is disingenuous, to say the least. 

[Cade]

Jaysus fekin christ.

 

FA is obsessed with the GFA not explicitly saying that a hard border breaks it.

 

The UN, the EU, the UK government, the Irish government and everybody else in the whole world seems to think it does.

I'm sick of this troll constantly banging on about it like it doesn't matter.

[Cade]

EU already pre-emptively refusing to re-open negotiations no matter what gets voted or not voted for in Parliament tonight

 

[Francis Albert]

10 minutes ago, Cade said:

Jaysus fekin christ.

 

FA is obsessed with the GFA not explicitly saying that a hard border breaks it.

 

The UN, the EU, the UK government, the Irish government and everybody else in the whole world seems to think it does.

I'm sick of this troll constantly banging on about it like it doesn't matter.

I just don't like being lied to (a trait I seem to share with rabid Remainers who never cease to bang on about being lied to).

I like even less being accused of being a liar when I am not. It seems most posters now accept that border controls would not breach the GFA. Certainly none have identified what terms of the GFA they would breach.

They have moved on to arguing that a hard border is for various reasons not a good idea ( with which I agree).

 

[sairyinthat]

Just now, Cade said:

EU already pre-emptively refusing to re-open negotiations no matter what gets voted or not voted for in Parliament tonight

 

Believe that if you wish,but don't ever forget they are politicians at least the tories are and a goodly number of the rest are opportunists/band wagon jumpers and to all mendaciousness comes naturally.

[ri Alban]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

Anybody with a brain realises that what should have happened was:

Firstly, to set up a cross-party national convention on Brexit so that Parliament as a whole could agree on what our negotiating stance was going to be.

THEN trigger Article 50 once that was done and then start negotiations with the EU.

Then modify the bill as needed over the two year period so everything was done and dusted by the leaving date.

No uncertainty, no market jitters, no mass exodus of businesses, no political paralysis.

 

Instead we had the Tory party trying to do it all itself without consulting anybody, fighting amongst themselves so much that nothing got done and the PM ended up slapping together some gobshite deal all on her own and Parliament refuses to accept it.

We're leaving in 59 days time FFS

 

 

Market jitters and poverty are money makers for these people.

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

Anybody with a brain realises that what should have happened was:

Firstly, to set up a cross-party national convention on Brexit so that Parliament as a whole could agree on what our negotiating stance was going to be.

THEN trigger Article 50 once that was done and then start negotiations with the EU.

Then modify the bill as needed over the two year period so everything was done and dusted by the leaving date.

No uncertainty, no market jitters, no mass exodus of businesses, no political paralysis.

 

Instead we had the Tory party trying to do it all itself without consulting anybody, fighting amongst themselves so much that nothing got done and the PM ended up slapping together some gobshite deal all on her own and Parliament refuses to accept it.

We're leaving in 59 days time FFS

 

 

Your suggestion would be a great idea if we had started with a bunch of rational MPs with open minds rather than more than half who did not want Brexit at all and another large body of MPs for whom any deal negotiable with the EU would be unacceptable. There is also little point agreeing a "negotiating stance" without testing first what the negotiating position of the other side is.

What would have made more sense and have avoided a lot of the current difficulties would have been to negotiate  the transition agreement and the future trading relationship in parallel. (But that was not acceptable to the EU presumably because it did not make it difficult enough to leave) , Transitional arrangements are much simpler and easier to agree if you know what you are transitioning towards. For example if an agreed future trading relationship was anything like that set out in the non-binding political declaration the issue of a hard border would simply not arise.

Edited January 29, 2019 by Francis Albert

[Victorian]

The government,    seemingly listening to everyone else and prepared to compromise with parliament,   have allowed the various amendments to be voted on later.     The only one it is backing is the one saying that the EU should reopen negotiations on the withdrawal agreement and the associated rewriting of the backstop.    It proposes that the EU would happily bend over backwards to discard the very thing it has been consistently insisted upon throughout.     Not even in favour of another distinct and workable alternative... no.     But to cave in completely on the basis of the very familiar tale of vague,  nebulous,  meaningless and evasive 'alternative arrangements'.      The government is also being absolutely evasive regarding whether or not it will respect the will of parliament on the other amendments,  mainly the Cooper amendment to propose a postponement of Art50.

 

Today's so-called breakthrough debate and votes is just more of the same.     Government clinging to control.     Deception.    Deceit.    Wasting parliamentary time on an enterprise it knows cannot succeed.      Pretending to listen... not listening.         

 

Farcical and beyond contempt.

[ri Alban]

No deal was the government's agenda all along. 

[Harry Potter]

20 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

No deal was the government's agenda all along. 

lol.

[jamboy1982]

23 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

No deal was the government's agenda all along. 

Perfect opportunity to strike a trade deal with America and sell off Britain to the yanks. It’s what the tories do. Sell whatever they can get away with

[ri Alban]

7 minutes ago, jamboy1982 said:

Perfect opportunity to strike a trade deal with America and sell off Britain to the yanks. It’s what the tories do. Sell whatever they can get away with

The NHS is a goner.

Edited January 29, 2019 by ri Alban

[ri Alban]

13 minutes ago, Harry Potter said:

lol.

You know it's true Hazza.  Which is good for me and my agenda.

Edited January 29, 2019 by ri Alban

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, sairyinthat said:

Believe that if you wish,but don't ever forget they are politicians at least the tories are and a goodly number of the rest are opportunists/band wagon jumpers and to all mendaciousness comes naturally.

Jesus wept.

 

You've clearly missed the bit where the withdrawal agreement was negotiated over 2 years by May and her band of mendacious, band wagon jumping, self serving opprtunists. 

 

Let that sink in. Her plan. Her proposal. 2 years. 

 

This lady is for turning. And lying. And doing everything to cling onto power. And keep her party of charlatans together. 

[The Mighty Thor]

54 minutes ago, Victorian said:

The government,    seemingly listening to everyone else and prepared to compromise with parliament,   have allowed the various amendments to be voted on later.     The only one it is backing is the one saying that the EU should reopen negotiations on the withdrawal agreement and the associated rewriting of the backstop.    It proposes that the EU would happily bend over backwards to discard the very thing it has been consistently insisted upon throughout.     Not even in favour of another distinct and workable alternative... no.     But to cave in completely on the basis of the very familiar tale of vague,  nebulous,  meaningless and evasive 'alternative arrangements'.      The government is also being absolutely evasive regarding whether or not it will respect the will of parliament on the other amendments,  mainly the Cooper amendment to propose a postponement of Art50.

 

Today's so-called breakthrough debate and votes is just more of the same.     Government clinging to control.     Deception.    Deceit.    Wasting parliamentary time on an enterprise it knows cannot succeed.      Pretending to listen... not listening.         

 

Farcical and beyond contempt.

Running down the clock to the no deal that's been the plan all along. 

[Victorian]

8 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Running down the clock to the no deal that's been the plan all along. 

 

Not quite.    Running down the clock in the belief that her deal will eventually be voted through in the face of the threat of no deal / no transition.     

 

May is a weapons grade narcissist.    She is absolutely all-in to achieve her deal for her own legacy.    No deal is failure.    Pushing this through on her terms is success.     It doesn't matter how rancid the tactics.

Edited January 29, 2019 by Victorian

[sairyinthat]

11 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Jesus wept.

 

You've clearly missed the bit where the withdrawal agreement was negotiated over 2 years by May and her band of mendacious, band wagon jumping, self serving opprtunists. 

 

Let that sink in. Her plan. Her proposal. 2 years. 

 

This lady is for turning. And lying. And doing everything to cling onto power. And keep her party of charlatans together. 

Hah,The EU have every right to try to prevent a no deal they know we are going and they are getting stuck with the Southern Irish a proper nightmare for them.

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A senior EU source has told @rtenews that during a phone call at 12pm Brussels time Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker told Theresa May there would be no reopening of the Irish backstop or the Withdrawal Agreement

[Boris]

48 minutes ago, sairyinthat said:

Hah,The EU have every right to try to prevent a no deal they know we are going and they are getting stuck with the Southern Irish a proper nightmare for them.

Whereas we are stuck with the DUP pulling the strings of government. 

 

Great.

[jake]

How shit is Corbyns amendment?

[sairyinthat]

8 minutes ago, Boris said:

Whereas we are stuck with the DUP pulling the strings of government. 

 

Great.

Part of the majority live with it.

[ri Alban]

Who tf calls Ireland, Southern Ireland. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

On 27/01/2019 at 00:23, Francis Albert said:

In nearly 50 years down here I too have never heard anyone suggest this. Have heard quite a few wishing the rest of Ireland would bugger off as well!

The attempt by some Scots to portray Scotland as a colony of England and "innocent" of colonialism is also a distortion of history ... the Scots played a disproportionately large part in establishing and running the British Empire.

Neither have i

[JudyJudyJudy]

Its clear May is playing for time. Its also very clear with the absolute garbage about going back to the EU to renegotiate that they are hoping when its a No deal the EU gets the blame for being stubborn and not re opening negotiations,. When in fact the EU has been clear all along what they would agree to.