Rab87 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Front of a Dutch paper this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rab87 said: Front of a Dutch paper this morning. How very dare they! That’s it I am now a staunch leave voter and and renaming my two dogs Jacob and Boris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYEL Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 11/01/2019 at 20:25, Jambo100 said: China is the problem. U.K. car industry is down due To mobility cars cut by 80% 500.000 a year at one time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: Whilst it’s quite amusing. The Dutch meaning is a tad different from ours. It means blow or battle type thing. a couple of Dutch speaking posters who could clarify the exact meaning. It means “Battle.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said: I just can’t believe how much stick corbyn is not getting right now. Nearly all polls suggest if there was a general election tomorrow the conservatives would win. Let that sink in for a moment, despite all this carnage they would win because the British public have wised up to corbyn. He is the worst leader of the opposition in living memory. Labour should be 20 points ahead and set for a decade in power buy because of him they have no chance. Why people aren’t calling for him to go is beyond me. Labour's strength at elections is in their ability to get a fair hearing for their policies during an election campaign. Polls before the 2017 election were Tories 46% Labour 26% Which is why May called the election 3 years before it was due The 2017 General Election result was Tories 42% Labour 40% Worth considering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 https://www.facebook.com/ArbroathSNP/videos/1154250984741788 0:56 of the video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 This is quite an interesting idea... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/17/semi-brexit-england-wales-leaving-eu-solution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Mundell saying that "everything is on the table" for talks.... except some stuff. Just **** off you weirdo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said: Labour's strength at elections is in their ability to get a fair hearing for their policies during an election campaign. Polls before the 2017 election were Tories 46% Labour 26% Which is why May called the election 3 years before it was due The 2017 General Election result was Tories 42% Labour 40% Worth considering Fair point though I think Mays calamitous campaign contributed hugely to that and they she and her party wouldn’t make those mistakes again. his problem if a general election is called is that it will be campaigned on their approach to Brexit. The Conservatives will run on a leave means leave vote and hoover up that leave voters (UKIP would have been a threat but they are a busted flush). Corbyn who is more a leaver than May won’t back any position accept second referendum but that vote will be split between all other parties (L dems, SNP etc) who will make great hay from the fact that he doesn’t want to remain. That man is all that stands between labour and power. His ego and pride and ambition are ruining his party but we are told he is different to other politicians- utter nonsense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rab87 said: Front of a Dutch paper this morning. From a Dutch friend on Facebook: Quote May's brexit deal fade away. Motion of confidence against minister. Slag = strike Edited January 17, 2019 by Stokesy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Justin Z said: https://www.facebook.com/ArbroathSNP/videos/1154250984741788 0:56 of the video Assume this is a reference to the shot of members of the Lords with an average age of 75 (?) dozing as they listen to a speech by an octogenarian passionately arguing that the old should not determine the future of the young. Except if they are unelected members of the Lords presumably. Seeing yourself as others see you is clearly not an ability that develops with age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Could we not have a Scottish Backstop- where we have no border with NI, and no barriers to the EU, and there would be no Irish border------ but we can have a border between us and England? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 11 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Also the Corbyn position I.e. the same re no discussions till No Deal ruled out. I think Blackford does a very good job at Westminster and articulates his key points very well most weeks at PMQs. This is another example where he's taken a march on the Labour Party and been open minded enough to have a 1-2-1 conversation with Theresa May. I would add - I am not a raging nationalist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, doctor jambo said: Could we not have a Scottish Backstop- where we have no border with NI, and no barriers to the EU, and there would be no Irish border------ but we can have a border between us and England? The Indie ref of 2014 warned that any move by Scotland to leave the UK would result in possible border checks on motorways. This was despite the various SNP ideas that we'd do Norway style EU membership etc to remain in the various financial/trade mechansims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I for one am reassured by this. It's all going to be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mysterion said: The Indie ref of 2014 warned that any move by Scotland to leave the UK would result in possible border checks on motorways. This was despite the various SNP ideas that we'd do Norway style EU membership etc to remain in the various financial/trade mechansims. We wouldn't be leaving the UK, any more than NI would - we would merely be moving the "backstop" to between us and Angleterre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Could we not have a Scottish Backstop- where we have no border with NI, and no barriers to the EU, and there would be no Irish border------ but we can have a border between us and England? Read the link I posted earlier. Here it is again https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/17/semi-brexit-england-wales-leaving-eu-solution As I understand it, the suggestion is that Scotland and N Ireland remain in the EU, but Wales & England are not. No need for hard borders as other countires in the EU have this with their dependencies. In fact the Isle of man and Guernsey have a different relationship with the EU. It would require the creation of an English Parliament (no bad thing imo) and lots of constitutional change - e.g. some reserved matters deveolved, the ability of Scotland (for example) to make its own international treaties. It looks like a way out that would give everyone what they want, but whether it is a way out that everyone would like is another matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Mysterion said: I think Blackford does a very good job at Westminster and articulates his key points very well most weeks at PMQs. This is another example where he's taken a march on the Labour Party and been open minded enough to have a 1-2-1 conversation with Theresa May. I would add - I am not a raging nationalist. I think it's likely Blackford and Corbyn are working together just now to some degree. To avoid No Deal they will have to. Meanwhile Blackford is saying much the same as Corbyn. No detailed talks unless No Deal is excluded as option. Only difference is he got her to refuse to do that again. So no real difference. Edited January 17, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Also the Corbyn position I.e. the same re no discussions till No Deal ruled out. Spot the difference Edited January 17, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 29 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Could we not have a Scottish Backstop- where we have no border with NI, and no barriers to the EU, and there would be no Irish border------ but we can have a border between us and England? The Princeton Professor's article quoted by Boris above is a more convoluted version of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: The Princeton Professor's article quoted by Boris above is a more convoluted version of this. But no hard border with England as far as I understood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) I’m just off to buy a new car or even a used one and I won’t leave without a deal. No Deal is not an option for me I don’t care if it’s a rubbish car and full of potenial problems or what it will cost me. But I won’t leave without getting a deal. Here comes a negotiators dream sucker. actully I’m of to buy a new iPhone ? Edited January 17, 2019 by Dannie Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 19 hours ago, redjambo said: They have been elected to represent their constituents and their views. The way things are going now, they are instead effectively empowering DUP policies by not acting as a break against the latter's tail-wagging-the-dog vote in parliament. I wouldn't go as far as calling them pricks, but I hope they are ashamed at what their inaction has done. Sorry but that post is nonsense. They were elected on an abstentionist manifesto, their "inaction" is representing their constituents exactly how they told them they would. British people really need to learn to stop going on about Sinn Féin and it's abstentionist policy as the majority clearly don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 LD wont support another confidence motion so that route is ended. Labour will have to move to a referendum pretty soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 13 hours ago, Longshanks said: We voted to remain part of the UK. We then voted to leave the EU. Just get it done ffs, you asked the people to decide and that's our* decision. *I didn't vote for either of these things but the people of Scotland and the UK wanted this so we have to make it happen now. Should be quite simple. Unfortunately MPs are not interested in the will of the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 49 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Spot the difference I wonder what Corbyn's/Labour's reaction would be if the management of a company told the trade union, that before they would enter into any wage negotiations, the union had to remove any threat to walk away/industrial action/strike. I think we all know that they would go absolutely ape-shit, yet isn't that what this letter is wanting, especially the part stating that before any talks can take place the Tories have to remove the threat of a 'no deal', which is the UK's last and only bargining chip, the threat to walk away. Cross party talks are doomed to failure imo, unless one side completely backs down, and I just can't see any side doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 33 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: I wonder what Corbyn's/Labour's reaction would be if the management of a company told the trade union, that before they would enter into any wage negotiations, the union had to remove any threat to walk away/industrial action/strike. I think we all know that they would go absolutely ape-shit, yet isn't that what this letter is wanting, especially the part stating that before any talks can take place the Tories have to remove the threat of a 'no deal', which is the UK's last and only bargining chip, the threat to walk away. Cross party talks are doomed to failure imo, unless one side completely backs down, and I just can't see any side doing that. If we rule out no deal we may as well right to Bernier, Tusk and Juncker and ask them to post us the terms of the transition deal and the post-transition terms of trade between the EU and the UK. It would save a lot of time and effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Boris said: But no hard border with England as far as I understood. 1 hour ago, Boris said: But no hard border with England as far as I understood. But only as I understand it if the EU grants England (and Wales) the rights of associated status with a member state (the remaining part of the UK ie Scotland and Northern Ireland) in the same way that the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man enjoy that status.. The idea that that is achievable or workable for England and Wales seems a bit farfetched. And then the fall back is a hard border between England and Scotland, which would be less contentious apparently than one between the two parts of Ireland. Well yes, I doubt Scots, even extreme Unionists, would threaten to blow up border cameras and custom posts. Edited January 17, 2019 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: But only as I understand it if the EU grants England (and Wales) the rights of associated status with a member state (the remaining part of the UK ie Scotland and Northern Ireland) in the same way that the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man enjoy that status.. The idea that that is achievable or workable for England and Wales seems a bit farfetched. And then the fall back is a hard border between England and Scotland, which would be less contentious apparently than one between the two parts of Ireland. Well yes, I doubt Scots, even extreme Unionists, would threaten to blow up border cameras and custom posts. Agreed it seems rather far fetched, but still possible if there was a will for it. As an aside, I wonder if there was another referendum and remain won, whether we woud see agitation for English independence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, AlphonseCapone said: Sorry but that post is nonsense. They were elected on an abstentionist manifesto, their "inaction" is representing their constituents exactly how they told them they would. British people really need to learn to stop going on about Sinn Féin and it's abstentionist policy as the majority clearly don't get it. You don't need to apologise. I do recognise, and understand, the abstentionist policy but I simply don't agree with it, particularly as a means of providing a counter-point to the DUP/UUP presence in Parliament. There's an imbalance there that needs addressing. But then, I suppose the votes went to Sinn Fein rather than the SDLP so, as you say, the voters got what they asked for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 47 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: If we rule out no deal we may as well right to Bernier, Tusk and Juncker and ask them to post us the terms of the transition deal and the post-transition terms of trade between the EU and the UK. It would save a lot of time and effort. "Write"of course/or "write right away" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 50 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: If we rule out no deal we may as well right to Bernier, Tusk and Juncker and ask them to post us the terms of the transition deal and the post-transition terms of trade between the EU and the UK. It would save a lot of time and effort. Exactly, as the other side could offer you peanuts and know that you'd have no choice but to accept it because you've removed the threat to walk away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Boris said: Agreed it seems rather far fetched, but still possible if there was a will for it. As an aside, I wonder if there was another referendum and remain won, whether we woud see agitation for English independence? It is certainly possible even likely that hard line parties on the lines of the English Defence League would emerge or be strengthened. But I doubt enough to have a big impact. The English don't really care that much about Scotland and Wales and are pretty evenly split on the EU in their own right. Scottish independence will remain up to the Scots! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Exactly, as the other side could offer you peanuts and know that you'd have no choice but to accept it because you've removed the threat to walk away. It is pretty astonishing that the party of Nye Bevan (who famously said he would refuse to send the UK Foreign Secretary "naked into the conference chamber") is making commitment to no no-deal a condition of talks about the negotiations. I wonder what Len Mcluskey and other trade union leaders think of the idea as a strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 58 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: It is pretty astonishing that the party of Nye Bevan (who famously said he would refuse to send the UK Foreign Secretary "naked into the conference chamber") is making commitment to no no-deal a condition of talks about the negotiations. I wonder what Len Mcluskey and other trade union leaders think of the idea as a strategy. Corbyn has issued a letter urging all Labour members not to meet or talk to the Tories. However, several senior Labour MP's, such as Hilary Benn, Yvette Cooper, Stephen Kinnock and others have met the PM and Chuka Umunna said on TV that he's open to talks as this crisis transcends party politics, this is about the future of our country. Are we seeing the divisions in the Labour party starting to emerge openly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Corbyn has issued a letter urging all Labour members not to meet or talk to the Tories. However, several senior Labour MP's, such as Hilary Benn, Yvette Cooper, Stephen Kinnock and others have met the PM and Chuka Umunna said on TV that he's open to talks as this crisis transcends party politics, this is about the future of our country. Are we seeing the divisions in the Labour party starting to emerge openly. I hope so. The best way of either getting rid of Corbyn and his ilk and moving the party closer to the centre or forming an SDP type breakaway party. The latter option would unfortunately probably deliver one Tory government after another but they'd still get my vote hands down if all of the people you mention joined it. I doubt if that would include Stephen Kinnock due to family ties though. As his father Neil has often said, Politics is all about winning over the middle ground. Neil nearly succeeded in 1992 until his, "Well Allright!!!" brainfart in Sheffield the weekend before the election. I wouldn't put Corbyn in charge of a sweetie shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Corbyn is an auld subversive who doesn't really care about Britain. Has that in common with Jimmy Sturgeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, JackLadd said: Corbyn is an auld subversive who doesn't really care about Britain. Has that in common with Jimmy Sturgeon. He's certainly good at making friends with Britain's enemies. I wouldn't trust him to wash my car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I have to agree with the two posts above, the sooner the sensible centrists of the Labour Party split with the Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbot lunatic left, racist, antisemite mob the better, a more credible opposition would be better for the country as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) I concur with the three posts above. He admitted today he is only interested in socialism and the very hard left type at that. Edited January 17, 2019 by Dannie Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Weak ineffectual opposition is bad for us all because it means that a bit less weak ineffectual government can get away with being useless unpunished, as we have at present. The Tories were weak for most of Blair/Brown's 13 year run at power with 3 different leaders failing to win an election, one not even being allowed to fight one! I'm not a Conservative Supporter but they're the best party for binning poor leaders. They have one at present but unfortunately there are few, if any stomachable alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 40 minutes ago, JackLadd said: Corbyn is an auld subversive who doesn't really care about Britain. Has that in common with Jimmy Sturgeon. True enough, but your whole argument collapsed as soon as you typed your second point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, ...a bit disco said: True enough, but your whole argument collapsed as soon as you typed your second point. How? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, JackLadd said: How? Jimmy Sturgeon? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Corbyn has issued a letter urging all Labour members not to meet or talk to the Tories. However, several senior Labour MP's, such as Hilary Benn, Yvette Cooper, Stephen Kinnock and others have met the PM and Chuka Umunna said on TV that he's open to talks as this crisis transcends party politics, this is about the future of our country. Are we seeing the divisions in the Labour party starting to emerge openly. Nothing that Hilary Benn does is a shock. A warmongering hapless idiot that’s forgotten what he stands for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, SwindonJambo said: He's certainly good at making friends with Britain's enemies. I wouldn't trust him to wash my car. Grand Hotel, Brighton was a massive failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 54 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: Nothing that Hilary Benn does is a shock. A warmongering hapless idiot that’s forgotten what he stands for. His dad would be turning in his grave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Watching Tony Blair on BBC 2 just now, what a prick, I'm convinced he still thinks he's PM!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: Watching Tony Blair on BBC 2 just now, what a prick, I'm convinced he still thinks he's PM!!! No, he just thinks he's still relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: Watching Tony Blair on BBC 2 just now, what a prick, I'm convinced he still thinks he's PM!!! In some ways I wish he was He'd walk all over May and the Brexiteers in Parliament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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