NANOJAMBO Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: First words were significant setting out what EU was prepared to accept. Surprised no one has picked that up. Totally agree. The backstop is going to be a killer - EU have already told Switzerland (who effectively want to join EU ) how it's going to be so there's no chance of UK getting the upper hand on this. IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpship Posted November 15, 2018 Author Share Posted November 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said: The Romans got them 1st, over 2,000 years ago. We might let you in buddy but you will have to sit a test on Scottish history.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 56 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: He is a clown If they had a different leader they would be absolutely ripping the Tories to bits for the foreseeable future. The only thing worse than the current Tory shambles, would be labour under Corbyn The middle classes WONT vote for him Fully agree. Socialism is a ridiculous concept in which to run a country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 "Hotel California Brexit deal, we can never truly leave" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Watching these inept ****wits who run this country is depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, jumpship said: We might let you in buddy but you will have to sit a test on Scottish history.... I'm a born and bred Scot with 2 Scottish parents and a Scottish accent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthVodka Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Notts1874 said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Why is this current chaos any suprise to the PM "The reality is that we do not know on what terms we would win access to the single market. We do know that in a negotiation we would need to make concessions in order to access it, and those concessions could well be about accepting EU regulations, over which we would have no say, making financial contributions, just as we do now, accepting free movement rules, just as we do now, or quite possibly all three combined. "It is not clear why other EU member states would give Britain a better deal than they themselves enjoy." Theresa May April 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 1 minute ago, RobboM said: Why is this current chaos any suprise to the PM "The reality is that we do not know on what terms we would win access to the single market. We do know that in a negotiation we would need to make concessions in order to access it, and those concessions could well be about accepting EU regulations, over which we would have no say, making financial contributions, just as we do now, accepting free movement rules, just as we do now, or quite possibly all three combined. "It is not clear why other EU member states would give Britain a better deal than they themselves enjoy." Theresa May April 2016 She was specifically asked to confirm that the current deal is better than the new deal that's just been negotiated but just danced around it. Shame someone didn't think to read what you posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said: Totally agree. The backstop is going to be a killer - EU have already told Switzerland (who effectively want to join EU ) how it's going to be so there's no chance of UK getting the upper hand on this. IMO. May just talking about EU conceding. Repeated EU offered Norway or Canada model but made concessions. This will be a crucial point for debate / discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 ANY Brexit deal is going to be worse than Remain. It's simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said: Totally agree. The backstop is going to be a killer - EU have already told Switzerland (who effectively want to join EU ) how it's going to be so there's no chance of UK getting the upper hand on this. IMO. Backstop is just a power grab by EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpship Posted November 15, 2018 Author Share Posted November 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said: I'm a born and bred Scot with 2 Scottish parents and a Scottish accent. You will have to prove that under my emigration prosess buddy. It will only take a couple of years.. don't worry, I've set up an emigration centre for you guys.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RobboM Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Cade said: ANY Brexit deal is going to be worse than Remain. It's simple as that. In fairness the Brexit deal promised at the referendum did guarantee ALL the current EU benefits plus £350m a week plus whichever particular beef you have personally with the EU being fixed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Cade said: ANY Brexit deal is going to be worse than Remain. It's simple as that. Some backbenchers have pointed this out in the Commons, saying this is grounds to take it back to the people. Probably been mentioned 5 times now - but May absolutely not considering it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Backstop is just a power grab by EU can we not just give the EU rangers as a compromise? Then they would have some of Northern Ireland, and the UK could keep the rest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 1 minute ago, jumpship said: You will have to prove that under my emigration prosess buddy. It will only take a couple of years.. don't worry, I've set up an emigration centre for you guys.. Excellent. Sounds like Indy Scotland would be a welcoming and inclusive place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Just now, NANOJAMBO said: Some backbenchers have pointed this out in the Commons, saying this is grounds to take it back to the people. Probably been mentioned 5 times now - but May absolutely not considering it. May has confirmed we leave in March 11pm 29 March 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, RobboM said: In fairness the Brexit deal promised at the referendum did guarantee ALL the current EU benefits plus £350m a week plus whichever particular beef you have personally with the EU being fixed ? Another (Labour) backbencher saying it must go to the people because the first referendum was based on promises but a second one would be based on her deal, which are NOT the same. She's just refusing to answer now. Edited November 15, 2018 by NANOJAMBO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Just now, Mikey1874 said: May has confirmed we leave in March 11pm 29 March 2019 She's said repeatedly this morning that UK is leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said: She was in an impossible situation, I'd go that far. She put Brexiters into the negotiations and they failed. She admitted in her speech this morning that EU refused to budge on many issues. Actually she sidelined Davis and allowed the unelected extremely enthusiastic remainer Robbins free reign to come up with this pish deal. Davis's paper was ripped up by May before it ever saw the light of day. Edited November 15, 2018 by Seymour M Hersh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) Am I missing something in all this ? How can it be that MPs will vote on the deal , but the public will NOT know how much worse off they will be in seeing their "will" implemented until AFTER the vote ? can anyone following the debate confirm - when did May (did she ?) say the figures will be published ? Edited November 15, 2018 by NANOJAMBO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Actually she sidelined Davis and allowed the unelected extremely enthusiastic remainer Robbins free reign to come up with this pish deal. Davis's paper was ripped up by May before it ever saw the light of day. This shitemare couldn't possibly be happening because this was a terrible f***ing idea that was never going to benefit the UK. It's all because of those damned meddling REMOANERS, especially one that hasn't even been in the Brexit cabinet for 14 months--10 months longer than Davis has been out as Brexit Secretary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Figures will be published IF this deal gets through the UK Parliament AND the EU Parliament and becomes an actual thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 When should I start panic-buying and what to stockpile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 1 minute ago, FWJ said: When should I start panic-buying and what to stockpile? Just buy bread and milk like everyone else, literally all anyone needs judging by the snow crisis last winter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottish_chicP Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Justin Z said: Just buy bread and milk like everyone else, literally all anyone needs judging by the snow crisis last winter I just bought wine to be fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Nookie Bear said: But another referendum will be even uglier, and also fought on lies, half-truths and assumptions. I agree that many people will have had their eyes opened as to the scale of the impact Brexit will have, but do we really think that the folk who are in Brexit heartlands will take the time to reconsider the situation or will they sit there and say "nah, unemployment is still high, immigration is still high, Labour has retreated to its London base and abandoned the North and we do not see the positive influence of Europe here at all - i'm sick of it and i'm voting Leave again". I mean an independence referendum. Let English and Welsh **** up their own country and principality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Cade said: So just maybe we should have held a cross-party National Convention on Brexit instead of the Tories trying to use it as a power grab and mould the entire nation to their whims? Since neither Tories nor Labour are remotely united on the issue why would putting the two together in a National Convention (whatever that is) make things anything better? True there would be a Remain majority. I suspect that would be the point, a way the 85% of MPs who voted for a referendum could overturn the result. Which I suspect they will in effect send up doing anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpship Posted November 15, 2018 Author Share Posted November 15, 2018 33 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said: Excellent. Sounds like Indy Scotland would be a welcoming and inclusive This is what Brexit is about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, scottish_chicP said: I just bought wine to be fair BETTER NO BE FROM EUROPE ! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, jumpship said: This is what Brexit is about. To a large degree it is. It's also a rejection of the EU deciding our laws for us. I have criticisms of the EU, but I still voted remain on the basis that it's probably better being inside the tent pissing out than vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Laura KuenssbergVerified account @bbclaurak 3m3 minutes ago Boris Johnson has just arrived at ERG meeting - feels very much like this is on and letters from Brexiteers about to go in en masse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 1 minute ago, ...a bit disco said: Laura KuenssbergVerified account @bbclaurak 3m3 minutes ago Boris Johnson has just arrived at ERG meeting - feels very much like this is on and letters from Brexiteers about to go in en masse Mogg has just put his letter in. She is toast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Just now, Notts1874 said: Mogg has just put his letter in. She is toast. This is turning into The Political Shitshow To End All Political Shitshows. That's entertainment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Laura KuenssbergVerified account @bbclaurak 3m3 minutes ago Mogg’s letter is going in Laura KuenssbergVerified account @bbclaurak 1m1 minute ago This almost inevitably means a vote on whether May can carry on as PM - thumping of desks as Mogg finishes his speech to colleagues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Notts1874 said: Mogg has just put his letter in. She is toast. There still has to be vote which she may or may not win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Dannie Boy said: There still has to be vote which she may or may not win. I very much doubt it will get that far. I reckon she will walk. We shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 The Chamber is well empty and yet she keeps on answering questions. Seems pointless to be honest as the real power is sitting plotting in other parts of the House as I type. She is like a lame duck plodding on regardless. I honestly think she is in denial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Notts1874 said: I very much doubt it will get that far. I reckon she will walk. We shall see. Vicki Young @BBCVickiYoung 6m6 minutes ago Vicki Young Retweeted Laura Kuenssberg Downing Street insisting this lunchtime that Theresa May would stay and fight any confidence vote in her #brexit #leadership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Notts1874 said: I very much doubt it will get that far. I reckon she will walk. We shall see. Good chance. The question is, who replaces her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Notts1874 said: I very much doubt it will get that far. I reckon she will walk. We shall see. I would not blame her if she did. As I said earlier the job is a poison chalice to who gets it be that Tory or Labour. It’s s no win situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 May refusing to say if she will go for no deal if her deal is voted down (which it surely will be). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: I would not blame her if she did. As I said earlier the job is a poison chalice to who gets it be that Tory or Labour. It’s s no win situation. Mogg would lap it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, ...a bit disco said: Vicki Young @BBCVickiYoung 6m6 minutes ago Vicki Young Retweeted Laura Kuenssberg Downing Street insisting this lunchtime that Theresa May would stay and fight any confidence vote in her #brexit #leadership Downing Street also said they weren't expecting any resignations today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Just now, Notts1874 said: Downing Street also said they weren't expecting any resignations today With a tolerance of 5 ? (one for project managers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said: With a tolerance of 5 ? (one for project managers). Or for ladies who go shopping with a budget of 100 quid and spend 150!! All within acceptable limits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 From Twitter - As for #Brexit, to paraphrase Woody Allen: "the UK faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 May refusing to confirm that Scottish Tories were briefed before the Scottish government yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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