Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[NANOJAMBO]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

First words were significant setting out what EU was prepared to accept. 

 

Surprised no one has picked that up. 

Totally agree. The backstop is going to be a killer - EU have already told Switzerland (who effectively want to join EU ) how it's going to be so there's no chance of UK getting the upper hand on this. IMO. 

[jumpship]

2 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said:

 

The Romans got them 1st, over 2,000 years ago.

We might let you in buddy but you will have to sit a test on Scottish history....

[Des Lynam]

56 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

He is a clown

If they had a different leader they would be absolutely ripping the Tories to bits for the foreseeable future.

The only thing worse than the current Tory shambles, would be labour under Corbyn

The middle classes WONT vote for him

 

Fully agree. Socialism is a ridiculous concept in which to run a country. 

[NANOJAMBO]

"Hotel California Brexit deal, we can never truly leave" 

[Des Lynam]

Watching these inept ****wits who run this country is depressing. 

[SwindonJambo]

2 minutes ago, jumpship said:

We might let you in buddy but you will have to sit a test on Scottish history....

 

I'm a born and bred Scot with 2 Scottish parents and a Scottish accent.

[DarthVodka]

2 hours ago, Notts1874 said:

 

[RobboM]

Why is this current chaos any suprise to the PM
"The reality is that we do not know on what terms we would win access to the single market.  We do know that in a negotiation we would need to make concessions in order to access it, and those concessions could well be about accepting EU regulations, over which we would have no say, making financial contributions, just as we do now, accepting free movement rules, just as we do now, or quite possibly all three combined.  

"It is not clear why other EU member states would give Britain a better deal than they themselves enjoy."
Theresa May April 2016

 

[NANOJAMBO]

1 minute ago, RobboM said:

Why is this current chaos any suprise to the PM
"The reality is that we do not know on what terms we would win access to the single market.  We do know that in a negotiation we would need to make concessions in order to access it, and those concessions could well be about accepting EU regulations, over which we would have no say, making financial contributions, just as we do now, accepting free movement rules, just as we do now, or quite possibly all three combined.  

"It is not clear why other EU member states would give Britain a better deal than they themselves enjoy."
Theresa May April 2016

 

She was specifically asked to confirm that the current deal is better than the new deal that's just been negotiated but just danced around it. Shame someone didn't think to read what you posted. 

[Mikey1874]

8 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Totally agree. The backstop is going to be a killer - EU have already told Switzerland (who effectively want to join EU ) how it's going to be so there's no chance of UK getting the upper hand on this. IMO. 

 

May just talking about EU conceding.

 

Repeated EU offered Norway or Canada model but made concessions.

 

This will be a crucial point for debate / discussion. 

[Cade]

ANY Brexit deal is going to be worse than Remain.

 

It's simple as that.

[Mikey1874]

11 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Totally agree. The backstop is going to be a killer - EU have already told Switzerland (who effectively want to join EU ) how it's going to be so there's no chance of UK getting the upper hand on this. IMO. 

 

Backstop is just a power grab by EU 

[jumpship]

3 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said:

 

I'm a born and bred Scot with 2 Scottish parents and a Scottish accent.

You will have to prove that under my emigration prosess buddy. It will only take a couple of years.. don't worry, I've set up an emigration centre for you guys.. 

 

 

[...a bit disco]

[RobboM]

1 minute ago, Cade said:

ANY Brexit deal is going to be worse than Remain.

 

It's simple as that.

In fairness the Brexit deal promised at the referendum did guarantee ALL the current EU benefits plus £350m a week plus whichever particular beef you have personally with the EU being fixed ?

[NANOJAMBO]

3 minutes ago, Cade said:

ANY Brexit deal is going to be worse than Remain.

 

It's simple as that.

Some backbenchers have pointed this out in the Commons, saying this is grounds to take it back to the people. Probably been mentioned 5 times now - but May absolutely not considering it. 

[doctor jambo]

3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Backstop is just a power grab by EU 

can  we not just give the EU rangers as a compromise?

Then they would have some of Northern Ireland, and the UK could keep the rest

[SwindonJambo]

1 minute ago, jumpship said:

You will have to prove that under my emigration prosess buddy. It will only take a couple of years.. don't worry, I've set up an emigration centre for you guys.. 

 

 

Excellent. Sounds like Indy Scotland would be a welcoming and inclusive place.

[Mikey1874]

Just now, NANOJAMBO said:

Some backbenchers have pointed this out in the Commons, saying this is grounds to take it back to the people. Probably been mentioned 5 times now - but May absolutely not considering it. 

 

May has confirmed we leave in March

 

11pm 29 March 2019

 

 

[NANOJAMBO]

4 minutes ago, RobboM said:

In fairness the Brexit deal promised at the referendum did guarantee ALL the current EU benefits plus £350m a week plus whichever particular beef you have personally with the EU being fixed ?

Another (Labour) backbencher saying it must go to the people because the first referendum was based on promises but a second one would be based on her deal, which are NOT the  same. She's just refusing to answer now. 

Edited November 15, 2018 by NANOJAMBO

[NANOJAMBO]

Just now, Mikey1874 said:

 

May has confirmed we leave in March

 

11pm 29 March 2019

 

 

She's said repeatedly this morning that UK is leaving. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

26 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

She was in an impossible situation, I'd go that far. She put Brexiters into the negotiations and they failed. She admitted in her speech this morning that EU refused to budge on many issues. 

 

Actually she sidelined Davis and allowed the unelected extremely enthusiastic remainer Robbins free reign to come up with this pish deal. Davis's paper was ripped up by May before it ever saw the light of day. 

Edited November 15, 2018 by Seymour M Hersh

[NANOJAMBO]

Am I missing something in all this ? How can it be that MPs will vote on the deal , but the public will NOT know how much worse off they will be in seeing their "will" implemented until AFTER the vote ? can anyone following the debate confirm - when did  May (did she ?) say the figures will be published ? 

Edited November 15, 2018 by NANOJAMBO

[Justin Z]

8 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Actually she sidelined Davis and allowed the unelected extremely enthusiastic remainer Robbins free reign to come up with this pish deal. Davis's paper was ripped up by May before it ever saw the light of day. 

 

This shitemare couldn't possibly be happening because this was a terrible f***ing idea that was never going to benefit the UK. It's all because of those damned meddling REMOANERS, especially one that hasn't even been in the Brexit cabinet for 14 months--10 months longer than Davis has been out as Brexit Secretary.

[Cade]

Figures will be published IF this deal gets through the UK Parliament AND the EU Parliament and becomes an actual thing.

[FWJ]

When should I start panic-buying and what to stockpile?

[Justin Z]

1 minute ago, FWJ said:

When should I start panic-buying and what to stockpile?

 

Just buy bread and milk like everyone else, literally all anyone needs judging by the snow crisis last winter

[scottish_chicP]

3 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

Just buy bread and milk like everyone else, literally all anyone needs judging by the snow crisis last winter

I just bought wine to be fair

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

2 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

But another referendum will be even uglier, and also fought on lies, half-truths and assumptions.

 

I agree that many people will have had their eyes opened as to the scale of the impact Brexit will have, but do we really think that the folk who are in Brexit heartlands will take the time to reconsider the situation or will they sit there and say "nah, unemployment is still high, immigration is still high, Labour has retreated to its London base and abandoned the North and we do not see the positive influence of Europe here at all - i'm sick of it and i'm voting Leave again".

I mean an independence referendum. Let English and Welsh **** up their own country and principality. 

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

So just maybe we should have held a cross-party National Convention on Brexit instead of the Tories trying to use it as a power grab and mould the entire nation to their whims?

Since neither Tories nor Labour are remotely united on the issue why would putting the two together in a National Convention (whatever that is) make things anything better?

True there would be a Remain majority. I suspect that would be the point, a way the 85% of MPs who voted for a referendum could overturn the result. Which I suspect they will in effect send up doing anyway.

[jumpship]

33 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said:

Excellent. Sounds like Indy Scotland would be a welcoming and inclusive 

This is what Brexit is about. 

[NANOJAMBO]

12 minutes ago, scottish_chicP said:

I just bought wine to be fair

BETTER NO BE FROM EUROPE ! ?

[SwindonJambo]

2 minutes ago, jumpship said:

This is what Brexit is about. 

 

To a large degree it is.  It's  also a rejection of the EU deciding our laws for us.  I have criticisms of the EU, but I still voted remain on the basis that it's probably better being inside the tent pissing out than vice versa.

[...a bit disco]

Laura Kuenssberg‏Verified account @bbclaurak 3m3 minutes ago

Boris Johnson has just arrived at ERG meeting - feels very much like this is on and letters from Brexiteers about to go in en masse

[Notts1874]

1 minute ago, ...a bit disco said:

Laura Kuenssberg‏Verified account @bbclaurak 3m3 minutes ago

Boris Johnson has just arrived at ERG meeting - feels very much like this is on and letters from Brexiteers about to go in en masse

Mogg has just put his letter in. She is toast.

[...a bit disco]

Just now, Notts1874 said:

Mogg has just put his letter in. She is toast.

 

This is turning into The Political Shitshow To End All Political Shitshows.

 

That's entertainment.

[...a bit disco]

Laura Kuenssberg‏Verified account @bbclaurak 3m3 minutes ago

Mogg’s letter is going in

 

Laura Kuenssberg‏Verified account @bbclaurak 1m1 minute ago

This almost inevitably means a vote on whether May can carry on as PM - thumping of desks as Mogg finishes his speech to colleagues

[Don Dan]

2 minutes ago, Notts1874 said:

Mogg has just put his letter in. She is toast.

 

There still has to be vote which she may or may not win. 

[Notts1874]

1 minute ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

There still has to be vote which she may or may not win. 

I very much doubt it will get that far. I reckon she will walk. We shall see.

[joondalupjambo]

The Chamber is well empty and yet she keeps on answering questions.  Seems pointless to be honest as the real power is sitting plotting in other parts of the House as I type.   She is like a lame duck plodding on regardless.   I honestly think she is in denial.   

[...a bit disco]

4 minutes ago, Notts1874 said:

I very much doubt it will get that far. I reckon she will walk. We shall see.

 

Vicki Young‏ @BBCVickiYoung 6m6 minutes ago

Vicki Young Retweeted Laura Kuenssberg

Downing Street insisting this lunchtime that Theresa May would stay and fight any confidence vote in her #brexit #leadership

[SwindonJambo]

4 minutes ago, Notts1874 said:

I very much doubt it will get that far. I reckon she will walk. We shall see.

 

Good chance.  The question is, who replaces her?

[Don Dan]

3 minutes ago, Notts1874 said:

I very much doubt it will get that far. I reckon she will walk. We shall see.

 

I would not blame her if she did. As I said earlier the job is a poison chalice to who gets it be that Tory or Labour. It’s s no win situation. 

[NANOJAMBO]

May refusing to say if she will go for no deal if her deal is voted down (which it surely will be). 

[Notts1874]

3 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

I would not blame her if she did. As I said earlier the job is a poison chalice to who gets it be that Tory or Labour. It’s s no win situation. 

Mogg would lap it up.

[Notts1874]

4 minutes ago, ...a bit disco said:

 

Vicki Young‏ @BBCVickiYoung 6m6 minutes ago

Vicki Young Retweeted Laura Kuenssberg

Downing Street insisting this lunchtime that Theresa May would stay and fight any confidence vote in her #brexit #leadership

Downing Street also said they weren't expecting any resignations today 

[NANOJAMBO]

Just now, Notts1874 said:

Downing Street also said they weren't expecting any resignations today 

With a tolerance of 5 ? (one for project managers).

[joondalupjambo]

3 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

With a tolerance of 5 ? (one for project managers).

 

Or for ladies who go shopping with a budget of 100 quid and spend 150!!  All within acceptable limits 

[NANOJAMBO]

From Twitter - As for #Brexit, to paraphrase Woody Allen: "the UK faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly".

[NANOJAMBO]

May refusing to confirm that Scottish Tories were briefed before the Scottish government yesterday.