socrates82 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I don't get this whole panic buy nonsense. We remove Cathro and put MacPhee in charge, because, after all, there's no way he'd be any worse! Advertise the job and allow MacPhee and anyone else to apply for it. There is no sensible scenario that involves keeping Cathro in charge. I think advertising for candidates is a good move for many reasons. I assume Kris Boyd and Stephen Craigan will apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 So did we win the cup because we beat Hibs in the semi in 2006? Could have sworn it was because we won on pens vs Gretna. 2012 on the other hand... does that mean we actually beat Celtic to win the cup? confused.comWe won the cup in 2006 because we won every cup tie. And the same applies to 2012 and 1998 and 1956 and so on. I have no idea what you are on about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1961 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Page 17 and not a peep about the board meeting OMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates82 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 We won the cup in 2006 because we won every cup tie. And the same applies to 2012 and 1998 and 1956 and so on. I have no idea what you are on about. Exactly. So Hibs didn't win the cup because of us. Unless Robbie Neilson is some sort of mind Jedi I'm not sure how he could have influenced the ties after ours or the actual cup final. Hibs did the needful in the cup that season by beating everyone in their way as we have done many more times in recent memory. The idea that we should hang, or even sack, managers because they lose a cup tie to our rivals, who then happen to win the cup is slightly OTT. Does that apply to when they finish ahead of us in the league as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferryjambo99 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 If he is sacked then I hope we take time to replace him, go through an interview process, don't headhunt an individual, make sure we get the right person to take us forward, Celtic showed the importance of hiring the right guy when they appointed Rodgers, a good manager can work wonders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Exactly. So Hibs didn't win the cup because of us. Unless Robbie Neilson is some sort of mind Jedi I'm not sure how he could have influenced the ties after ours or the actual cup final. Hibs did the needful in the cup that season by beating everyone in their way as we have done many more times in recent memory. The idea that we should hang, or even sack, managers because they lose a cup tie to our rivals, who then happen to win the cup is slightly OTT. Does that apply to when they finish ahead of us in the league as well? Woooooooooooosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Exactly. So Hibs didn't win the cup because of us. Unless Robbie Neilson is some sort of mind Jedi I'm not sure how he could have influenced the ties after ours or the actual cup final. Hibs did the needful in the cup that season by beating everyone in their way as we have done many more times in recent memory. The idea that we should hang, or even sack, managers because they lose a cup tie to our rivals, who then happen to win the cup is slightly OTT. Does that apply to when they finish ahead of us in the league as well?I agree. Doesn't making losing to Hibs in the cup, especially a lower division Hibs side, more acceptable though. Or alter the fact we could have stopped them winning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I think advertising for candidates is a good move for many reasons. I assume Kris Boyd and Stephen Craigan will apply. One thing that should definitely not be done is chucking our first 4 games on the chance of a divine intervention. 94% of people aren't wrong. It's just unheard of. Like a manager with the worst win rate in history at a time where we're in great health and gave them every opportunity to succeed. He's not going to transform from where he is now to where he needs to be in 4 weeks. Farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 One thing that should definitely not be done is chucking our first 4 games on the chance of a divine intervention. 94% of people aren't wrong. It's just unheard of. Like a manager with the worst win rate in history at a time where we're in great health and gave them every opportunity to succeed. He's not going to transform from where he is now to where he needs to be in 4 weeks. Farce. Do we know if the 4 game chance is genuine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Do we know if the 4 game chance is genuine? No we don't. I think we are still talking money to get him to walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 One thing that should definitely not be done is chucking our first 4 games on the chance of a divine intervention. 94% of people aren't wrong. It's just unheard of. Like a manager with the worst win rate in history at a time where we're in great health and gave them every opportunity to succeed. He's not going to transform from where he is now to where he needs to be in 4 weeks. Farce. Iraq presidential referendum, 2002: Choice Votes % For 11,445,638 100 Against 0 0.0 Invalid/blank votes - Total 11,445,638 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Iraq presidential referendum, 2002: Choice Votes % For 11,445,638 100 Against 0 0.0 Invalid/blank votes - Total 11,445,638 100 Now there's a guy who would have got the players playing for the jersey..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Now there's a guy who would have got the players playing for the jersey..... And, if not, he'd get them fired up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Do we know if the 4 game chance is genuine? PTBCAL posted that he heard it from two different sources. God knows if he's accurate or not, normally ok with info iirc. 2 different people text me the same thing and both usually know what's going on - just thought I would post it here but one of them was pretty definate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucille's Thirsty Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 One thing that should definitely not be done is chucking our first 4 games on the chance of a divine intervention. 94% of people aren't wrong. It's just unheard of. Like a manager with the worst win rate in history at a time where we're in great health and gave them every opportunity to succeed. He's not going to transform from where he is now to where he needs to be in 4 weeks. Farce. It's a complete joke. What if he loses against all these games. Every single lost game and it'll get toxic towards the man. 95% of hearts supporters want Cathro out that's unheard of and we're still mulling it over. He should've been sacked as soon as he entered the changing rooms at 16.50 on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Imagine we sign a decent keeper and proper attacking midfielder this week and these signings turn things around.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendricks Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Imagine we sign a decent keeper and proper attacking midfielder this week and these signings turn things around.... Going to take a lot more than that man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheatfieldWarrior Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 If he is sacked then I hope we take time to replace him, go through an interview process, don't headhunt an individual, make sure we get the right person to take us forward, Celtic showed the importance of hiring the right guy when they appointed Rodgers, a good manager can work wonders Spending millions on players helps though.... tbh, I could win the league Managing Celtic's team. (and he lost his first competitive game to a team from Gibraltar.) Might loose the dressing room when I keep asking what the smell is though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Trumpy could teach Ann a lesson here. Scaramucci was sacked before he even started. He would have gor rid of our lot ages ago. Anyway, read the Celtic thread and celebrate being a Jambo. You'll need a shower afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neon Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Why? It's a perfectly reasonable position to take. Even if it was meant in jest, Saying the manager should have been hung from a bridge in Gorgie is crass beyond belief. Guess that's just me as you see it as a reasonable position to take over a football game. Thought as a fan base we were better than that, yea it hurts like hell just now but we will get it right. I hope IC does go, sooner rather than later but I am not going to work myself up into a frenzy so I look more upset with the situation than everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Slim Stylee Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Going to take a lot more than that man. Yep. And that would only mean we could field a half-decent, badly motivated, tactically challenged 1st choice team - with bang average squad depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 It's a complete joke. What if he loses against all these games. Every single lost game and it'll get toxic towards the man. 95% of hearts supporters want Cathro out that's unheard of and we're still mulling it over. He should've been sacked as soon as he entered the changing rooms at 16.50 on Saturday. Correct. Well there due back in training, We should find out a bit more today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Imagine we sign a decent keeper and proper attacking midfielder this week and these signings turn things around.... Can someone post that Kevin Keegan smiley for me, ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Imagine we sign a decent keeper and proper attacking midfielder this week and these signings turn things around.... It's not the players.. It wasn't the players with Robbies team. It wasn't the players in January and it's not the players now.. This man is incapable of getting the best out of a team.. He appears incapable of getting anything from a team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTBCAL Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 No we don't. I think we are still talking money to get him to walk. I was about to post this yesterday when I did originally post about the 4 game scenario. I suspect he will get the 4 games but this might depend on actual performances. I also think we need to sound out potential replacements and with the season not already started this could prove difficult. We need to get this appointment spot on so I would rather we took the time and got the right man. If I am being honest I wished I hadn't posted it as originally I thought he would gone next week after the Celtic game but the silence from the club is deafening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendricks Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 It's not the players.. It wasn't the players with Robbies team. It wasn't the players in January and it's not the players now.. This man is incapable of getting the best out of a team.. He appears incapable of getting anything from a team Completely agree with your last sentence but it is the players too. The squad is dreadful and whoever ends up coming in, whenever that happens is going to have another huge task overhauling the rabble they've been left with. Cathro is categorically not getting what he should be out of the squad but we are miles away from having a good team due to the awful recruitment we've seen over the last 18 months or so. There are holes throughout the team and squad and a real lack of quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I've heard from someone fairly reliable that he will be gone before Saturday and Houston will be the replacement. Don't normally post info like this and I'm not overly excited with the replacement but to be honest anyone will be an improvement on what we have.That's Houston Levein's mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 It's not the players.. It wasn't the players with Robbies team. It wasn't the players in January and it's not the players now.. This man is incapable of getting the best out of a team.. He appears incapable of getting anything from a team Disagree, the players irrespective of manager should be winning the last two games. Cathro has a lot to answer for but let's not pretend the players don't have any responsibility in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Don't get me wrong.. When I say it's not the players my point is the players we have are on paper good enough for 4th at worst.. I said the same about the January team.. No way were they the worst in the league.. But I'm under no illusion that we are great. The common domoninator is Cathro.. If Derek's McInnes or Brendan Rodgers managed hearts we have finished 3rd at worst last season and we wouldn't be out of the cup.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 We need to act now to give someone else a chance to bring in their own players this month. Not winning the next four games then taking action will be too late. I also think we should be casting our net far and wide, not just looking at Scottish managers. All the coaches at the club are young and having a more senior manager they can learn from would be beneficial. I doubt that Daly for example has learnt that much from Cathro about how to do things right. I really want Austin to stay on as assistant as it would help minimise disruption and keep a lot of the players happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Why would you let him stay to the end of the transfer window. Higher a new manager and cannot get players till January window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Hopefully the cash from Johnson will be enough to get rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsmad1874 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I've a feeling they won't want to bring a new manager in now as he's on a hiding to nothing in the first 5 games possibly but then they are leaving Cathro out to dry by keeping him in charge for 5 tough games which he very might lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I've a feeling they won't want to bring a new manager in now as he's on a hiding to nothing in the first 5 games possibly but then they are leaving Cathro out to dry by keeping him in charge for 5 tough games which he very might lose. We are only seen to be on a hiding to nothing for our first block of games because the team is playing so badly under Cathro. Celtic aside, we should be looking to get at least a point from these games, or are we just going to write off yet another season. Get another head coach in to organise this team, put them in the pitch with a different mindset and tactics, and we can still salve something from the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/comment-hearts-may-keep-cathro-but-coach-is-on-last-chance-1-4518781 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Hopefully the cash from Johnson will be enough to get rid.?4 wont do much Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboDaz88 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I've a feeling they won't want to bring a new manager in now as he's on a hiding to nothing in the first 5 games possibly but then they are leaving Cathro out to dry by keeping him in charge for 5 tough games which he very might lose. I've seen a few opinions/suspicions like this, I don't understand it. Why would they be on a hiding to nothing? A competent man who can get more out of these players should not be viewing Motherwell and Kilmarnock as daunting matches. Celtic is a free game because nobody reasonably expects us to take anything, Rangers and Aberdeen are tougher games of course but certainly not write off matches - quite the opposite. They should be games that set the tone for our league campaign, preferably, with a new man at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Religion Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/comment-hearts-may-keep-cathro-but-coach-is-on-last-chance-1-4518781 Total guess work from Banderson. All just made up from reading off here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/comment-hearts-may-keep-cathro-but-coach-is-on-last-chance-1-4518781 Blind faith at its extreme. No amount of new signings will make a terrible motivator turn things around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haken Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Total guess work from Banderson. All just made up from reading off here.Yep. Basically summing up the current position. Hasn't managed to obtain an up to date quote so digs out one, albeit relevant, from a wee while back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 So Parkhead is a "baptism of fire"? What were the LC group matches then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haken Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 So Parkhead is a "baptism of fire"? What were the LC group matches then? Another way of looking at it is that we might as well let Cathro take the Celtic defeat rather than handing it to a new boy. Who knows? But it's not exactly the best platform from which to start a new season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I have no idea if MacPhee will take over at some point, either temporarily or permanently. If he did, I would still be a little concerned. When he came, we were told he will bring to the table his excellent ability to study, analyse and read the opposition, but as yet we have not seen this. Indeed. It seems the opposition are able to read and analyse us. We have lost many games we should we winning, but I cannot think of a single game we won, where we should be losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Francis Albert Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I have no idea if MacPhee will take over at some point, either temporarily or permanently. If he did, I would still be a little concerned. When he came, we were told he will bring to the table his excellent ability to study, analyse and read the opposition, but as yet we have not seen this. Indeed. It seems the opposition are able to read and analyse us. We have lost many games we should we winning, but I cannot think of a single game we won, where we should be losing. Just as there is not a shred of evidence from what we have seen on the pitch of Cathro's coaching genius, exactly the same can be said of McPhee's analytical ability. Some seem to find him more articulate and charismatic than Cathro. Those are not qualifications to manage Hearts. A new manager can decide whether he wants him as a coach/analyst ... or is that Levein's call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedy_Jambo Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Has he gone yet? Has he gone yet? Are we there yet? Has he gone yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Imagine we sign a decent keeper and proper attacking midfielder this week and these signings turn things around.... You're a good man Jammy T....raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Another way of looking at it is that we might as well let Cathro take the Celtic defeat rather than handing it to a new boy. Who knows? But it's not exactly the best platform from which to start a new season.There would be no better game for a new boy because no-one has any expectation of anything other than a heavy defeat at Parkhead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Sorry but I just don't get this "we're going to get humped so why bother changing just now" attitude. If we're so sure that the current management team are incapable of getting a result in our opening 4-5 matches then all the more reason to get rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We_are_the_Hearts Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 There would be no better game for a new boy because no-one has any expectation of anything other than a heavy defeat at Parkhead. Thing is, Saturday is an opportunity. Celtic have a huge game away to Rosenborg just 48 hours earlier. If we ahd the right man in charge and the right players and went into the game high tempo and with urgency then you never know but this lot aren't capable of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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