robbo1874 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Very much doubt that. I'd be guessing ?100k - ?150k Ok why that figure? Genuine question. How is it worked out? Anything is obviously better than the nada we'd get from a US move! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought Police Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Very much doubt that. I'd be guessing ?100k - ?150k Don't think you get a say in how much compensation needs paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IveSeenTheLight Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Ok why that figure? Genuine question. How is it worked out? Anything is obviously better than the nada we'd get from a US move! Just my finger in the air guess. Doubt you would accept lower say ?50k - ?100k. Doubt we would pay much higher. If there is a compromise to be reached, I'd hazzard closer to the ?100k as your about to lose him for nothing anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Yeah if he is available we should be moving heaven and earth to sign him. Fantastic player with a great attitude. Shame theres a good chance we'd probably be priced out straight away. As soon as "transfer fee" is stated then we are pretty much priced out. Once the new stand is completed....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the big show Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 I'm sure poster Armageddon could clear this up he seems to be friends with Sam? NOT sure if there is anything in it but what i can tell you is before our pre season friendly at ST. Andrews with Aberdeen Nicholson was speaking to McCinnes and a couple of the dons coaches before and after the game , ok there might not be nothing in it but a thought it seemed strange at the time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Don't think you get a say in how much compensation needs paid You do if its club to club in the same country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IveSeenTheLight Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Don't think you get a say in how much compensation needs paid If there is an agreement between clubs, it doesn't need to go for a tribunal, just like the McGinn St Mirren to Hibs deal. If a compromise cannot be achieved, then he'll go elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart500 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 So I presume we are not signing Ali Crawford, Conor Newton, Paul McMullen, Nicky Devlin and whoever else has gone off the radar since the thread began? Still hope Paul Caddis is in the picture though. Tough wee player who could play anywhere across the midfield with a bit of bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgaro Gomis Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 If there is an agreement between clubs, it doesn't need to go for a tribunal, just like the McGinn St Mirren to Hibs deal. If a compromise cannot be achieved, then he'll go elsewhere Correct, however if it were to go to a tribunal and Aberdeen didn't withdraw, we'd get awarded far more than 150k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS86 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Stevie May is statistically the most prolific Scottish striker of his generation. (All be it many of those goals were for Alloa) Personally id be absolutely delighted if we signed him!! Sadly I think he is outwith our reach. If it doesn't work out this year for him he could potentially be tempted to come back up the road next year I reckon, will be a free agent too if he doesn't earn a new deal. Gave the impression he is in no rush to come back up here though and he'd probs still have options down south if it doesn't work out at PNE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Correct, however if it were to go to a tribunal and Aberdeen didn't withdraw, we'd get awarded far more than 150k. They wont take that chance. They might have to pay +?300k as Nicholson has been with us a long time. I imagine we're looking at the thick end of ?200k which is better than whats on the table right now it appears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IveSeenTheLight Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 NOT sure if there is anything in it but what i can tell you is before our pre season friendly at ST. Andrews with Aberdeen Nicholson was speaking to McCinnes and a couple of the dons coaches before and after the game , ok there might not be nothing in it but a thought it seemed strange at the time . McInnes tried to get Nicholson when you guys were relegated and his dad convinced him to stay to get more game time with Hayes in the picture, but was seen as the long term replacement. Last season, we all expected Hayes to leave, but he stayed another year. Its entirely possible that this is resurrected now Hayes has left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 McInnes tried to get Nicholson when you guys were relegated and his dad convinced him to stay to get more game time with Hayes in the picture, but was seen as the long term replacement. Last season, we all expected Hayes to leave, but he stayed another year. Its entirely possible that this is resurrected now Hayes has left Significant downgrade then. Sam is probably more talented actually, but sadly lacks the heart drive and determination of Hayes. Thus his talent is wasting. He wont last long in McInnes run all day regime. Unfortunately most of these kids post promotion have not carried on the hard work. Shame really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Slightly off topic but does anyone know the story re Gary Locke and Hibs? Must be a wind up, shirley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadjy Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Why go to Aberdeen? They will be getting pumped next season.... Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMMY1980 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Why go to Aberdeen? They will be getting pumped next season.... Who by? Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Even if we got ?100k out of them as a development fee, that would be a good bit of business. He would've went to America and we would've got nothing. Which was the whole point of the American adventure so that his agent can say, "look you can lose Sam for nowt or accept a reduction in the development fee". Hearts should / will tell them to bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Slightly off topic but does anyone know the story re Gary Locke and Hibs? Must be a wind up, shirley. Gary Locke hates Hibs End of story Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC 86 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Which was the whole point of the American adventure so that his agent can say, "look you can lose Sam for nowt or accept a reduction in the development fee". Hearts should / will tell them to bolt. If this is the way his agent is playing it, I agree with Hearts taking a strong line. Rather get nothing than be pissed around. Who is his agent btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 If this is the way his agent is playing it, I agree with Hearts taking a strong line. Rather get nothing than be pissed around. Who is his agent btw? Key Sports Management - same as Callum. Can't help thinking there is a conflict of interest between our DoF & JC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Full development fee for Nicholson or no deal. Couldn't care less if Minnesota is supposed to be a bluff. If Sam's agent doesn't like it, he can send his client back Stateside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadjy Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Why go to Aberdeen? They will be getting pumped next season.... Who by? Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk The jamtarts Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Key Sports Management - same as Callum. Can't help thinking there is a conflict of interest between our DoF & JC. This might be wrong but it looks like JC resigned? https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03708015/officers (resigned on 19th may 2017) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 This might be wrong but it looks like JC resigned? https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03708015/officers (resigned on 19th may 2017) Yes, he runs box soccer now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haken Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Which was the whole point of the American adventure so that his agent can say, "look you can lose Sam for nowt or accept a reduction in the development fee". Hearts should / will tell them to bolt. That occurred to me, cynic that I am. Would be tempted to let a tribunal sort it out if it comes to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 That occurred to me, cynic that I am. Would be tempted to let a tribunal sort it out if it comes to that. Didn't it occur to you that Aberdeen won't offer him a contract unless they can come to an agreement beforehand on compensation? No one is paying over 400k for him haven't you worked that out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haken Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Didn't it occur to you that Aberdeen won't offer him a contract unless they can come to an agreement beforehand on compensation? No one is paying over 400k for him haven't you worked that out?Yes. That's why there's an 'if' in my post. Happy to help. Sent from my SM-A310F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 That occurred to me, cynic that I am. Would be tempted to let a tribunal sort it out if it comes to that.I posted this on the Nicholson thread on 29th May. Not ITK but his agent might be using MLS (no development fee) as a bargaining chip to negotiate down the ?400K that we are due from any UK clubs. Just a thought.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 Yes. That's why there's an 'if' in my post. Happy to help. Sent from my SM-A310F using Tapatalk Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haken Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Think about it.IF true, there's a degree of brinksmanship being played. This may well all have been designed to get Hearts to accept a lower amount of compensation rather than the reported ?400k we could/should get. If this has occurred to you, me and other posters, I'm going to go out on a limb and hazard a guess that it's occurred to Hearts. So it seems to me that Hearts have options. We can, as you suggest, agree a fee. Or we can decide we're not going to be manipulated in that way. At which point, the ball is back on the other side of the net. Aberdeen can either step away, or they can take the player and let a tribunal sort it out. Just imo as I don't have the in depth level of knowledge of these affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IveSeenTheLight Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 IF true, there's a degree of brinksmanship being played. This may well all have been designed to get Hearts to accept a lower amount of compensation rather than the reported ?400k we could/should get. If this has occurred to you, me and other posters, I'm going to go out on a limb and hazard a guess that it's occurred to Hearts. So it seems to me that Hearts have options. We can, as you suggest, agree a fee. Or we can decide we're not going to be manipulated in that way. At which point, the ball is back on the other side of the net. Aberdeen can either step away, or they can take the player and let a tribunal sort it out. Just imo as I don't have the in depth level of knowledge of these affairs. I'd agree with your fellow poster. No contract offer would be made unless there is an agreement with the clubs. Aberdeen would not be offering ?400k for Nicholson or risk it going to a tribunal Didn't it occur to you that Aberdeen won't offer him a contract unless they can come to an agreement beforehand on compensation? No one is paying over 400k for him haven't you worked that out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haken Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 I'd agree with your fellow poster. No contract offer would be made unless there is an agreement with the clubs. Aberdeen would not be offering ?400k for Nicholson or risk it going to a tribunal That's the most likely situation. But what happens if a fee isn't agreed? Sam ends up in Minnesota after all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 I'd agree with your fellow poster. No contract offer would be made unless there is an agreement with the clubs. Aberdeen would not be offering ?400k for Nicholson or risk it going to a tribunal Your not famous anymore, neither are Rangers. If they want Walker, they'll have to stump up. If you want Nicholson, you'll have to pay the development fee - or wait until he comes back from America. The ball is not in your court here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IveSeenTheLight Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 That's the most likely situation. But what happens if a fee isn't agreed? Sam ends up in Minnesota after all? Possibly, else there are rumours that Barnsley or Bristol City are interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Key Sports Management - same as Callum. Can't help thinking there is a conflict of interest between our DoF & JC. Is it not John Colquoun that's their man up here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Is it not John Colquoun that's their man up here ? JC = John Colquhoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IveSeenTheLight Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Your not famous anymore,You don't know what famous is If you want Nicholson, you'll have to pay the development fee - or wait until he comes back from America. The ball is not in your court here.I'm not inferring the ball is in our court.IF it's true then I'm only suggesting I doubt Aberdeen would be willing to pay the full development fee and strike up a discussion with Hearts for Nicholson on a compromised, agreed between two clubs, fee. I think that there is a risk if you play hardball, it sets a reputation of your club and may not be beneficial in the long run. There seems a desire for you developed players to want away (Patterson, McGhee, Nicholson, Walker) I think a better long term strategy is to maximise the benefit during the time and show you are reasonable when the time is right for a player to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 You don't know what famous is I'm not inferring the ball is in our court. IF it's true then I'm only suggesting I doubt Aberdeen would be willing to pay the full development fee and strike up a discussion with Hearts for Nicholson on a compromised, agreed between two clubs, fee. I think that there is a risk if you play hardball, it sets a reputation of your club and may not be beneficial in the long run. There seems a desire for you developed players to want away (Patterson, McGhee, Nicholson, Walker) I think a better long term strategy is to maximise the benefit during the time and show you are reasonable when the time is right for a player to move on. Listen, Sheepy. We showed we were reasonable when dealing with TRFC with Holt so you can ram your concern about our reputation. While I'm at it, you can also shove what you think is a "better long term strategy" for the Heart of Midlothian Football Club. Definitely trying to fill the void left by the deid Rangers. You'll be calling us "Provincial" next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 JC = John ColquhounMuch as I liked him as a player and I know he is doing the best for his players he is starting to get right under my skin with this running down the contract malarkey. Add to that the sell on clause as is he is doing a great favour somehow . It's all about opinions but he is really starting to grind my gears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilr61 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 You don't know what famous is I'm not inferring the ball is in our court. IF it's true then I'm only suggesting I doubt Aberdeen would be willing to pay the full development fee and strike up a discussion with Hearts for Nicholson on a compromised, agreed between two clubs, fee. I think that there is a risk if you play hardball, it sets a reputation of your club and may not be beneficial in the long run. There seems a desire for you developed players to want away (Patterson, McGhee, Nicholson, Walker) I think a better long term strategy is to maximise the benefit during the time and show you are reasonable when the time is right for a player to move on. You mean the same as your guys like fraser,fyvie,jack & grimmer?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 We 100% should not make it easy for players to walk to rival clubs. We made a mistake letting Holt go to Rangers for way under what we were entitled to shouldn't do the same with Sam. Different if they're going to another league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 You don't know what famous is I'm not inferring the ball is in our court. Implying*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyhmfc Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 What a bore this thread has become. Wake me up when something decent happens; off to watch some tennis....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 This might be wrong but it looks like JC resigned? https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03708015/officers (resigned on 19th may 2017) Then we change our recruitment policy shortly after. :'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Listen, Sheepy. We showed we were reasonable when dealing with TRFC with Holt so you can ram your concern about our reputation. While I'm at it, you can also shove what you think is a "better long term strategy" for the Heart of Midlothian Football Club. Definitely trying to fill the void left by the deid Rangers. You'll be calling us "Provincial" next. Getting back to being a condescending prick without anything to back it up. Every visit from the tube goes the same way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IveSeenTheLight Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 You mean the same as your guys like fraser,fyvie,jack & grimmer??All players move on. Jack Grimmer Jan 2012 Fraser Fyvie July 2012 Ryan Fraser Jan 2013 Ryan Jack June 2017 4 different transfer windows over 5 1/2 years, where we came to an agreement with the respected clubs (Jack exception as outwith age for development fee) and allowed to move on The guys I mentioned in your squad all want to leave in the same window and your trying to hold back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC86 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Btw it's not JC that's the agent. He was a director for the company, but it's someone else that's the agent. He does despise Levein. Romanov had many faults, but he was certainly spot on with agents. Parasites! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ1984 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Btw it's not JC that's the agent. He was a director for the company, but it's someone else that's the agent. He does despise Levein. Romanov had many faults, but he was certainly spot on with agents. Parasites! Who's the agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IveSeenTheLight Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Listen, Sheepy. We showed we were reasonable when dealing with TRFC with Holt so you can ram your concern about our reputation. While I'm at it, you can also shove what you think is a "better long term strategy" for the Heart of Midlothian Football Club. Definitely trying to fill the void left by the deid Rangers. You'll be calling us "Provincial" next. Fair enough, you did agree a deal with SevCo for Holt. I thought that was because you didn't want him and had loaned him out deeming he was not good enough. Listen, I'm not trying to be putting Hearts down as both our clubs should be looking to attract, develop and sell on young players. Sometimes players can spend too long at a club and benefit from moving away. Ryan Fraser could be an optimal example of developing more elsewhere than he would likely do at Aberdeen. So it was in his interests to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewboy Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 We 100% should not make it easy for players to walk to rival clubs. We made a mistake letting Holt go to Rangers for way under what we were entitled to shouldn't do the same with Sam. Different if they're going to another leagueHolt did go to another league! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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