Even More SNP Nonsense

[jake]

So anyway, all this angry abuse is getting tedious. Back on topic:

 

Imagine the feeling of waking up in a free country of our own. Absolutely amazing. Something so many people take for granted. I think it would give us all a huge lift.

 

I agree.

I think for the pchyce of Scottish people it would be.

It may in turn remove the chip that some like you and spacey have or should that be boulder on their shoulder.

 

It may also lead to the resolve of the tedious abuse handed out to english people .

 

But thats not why i want independence.

 

I look to the future.

 

I leave you to look and not learn from the past.

 

Oh and dont take this as an attack petal i dont know you.

I play the post.

And like i say theres some of your sentiment i agree with but i cannot side with your bigotry.

[jake]

We do it every day at the moment. Amazing.

 

Funnily enough he has yet to answer my question .

That was to name any other country on earth that has the freedoms social inclusiveness etc etc that Scotland has.

 

 

He deflects my questions as attacks.

 

 

Still i suppose his comfort blanket of past crimes helps his anti english outrage.

 

Claims of libetarian outlooks only cover certain nationalities these days.

Christian white and english dont count apparently.

[Beast Boy]

I agree.

I think for the pchyce of Scottish people it would be.

It may in turn remove the chip that some like you and spacey have or should that be boulder on their shoulder.

 

It may also lead to the resolve of the tedious abuse handed out to english people .

 

But thats not why i want independence.

 

I look to the future.

 

I leave you to look and not learn from the past.

 

Oh and dont take this as an attack petal i dont know you.

I play the post.

And like i say theres some of your sentiment i agree with but i cannot side with your bigotry.

Jake. Calm down mate. You are losing the plot a bit here. You are posting multiple replies to the same point and they are always really angry and abusive. Freedom will come mate, believe! Edited March 5, 2017 by The Earl of Mothsbery

[Mr Brightside]

Funnily enough he has yet to answer my question .

That was to name any other country on earth that has the freedoms social inclusiveness etc etc that Scotland has.

 

 

He deflects my questions as attacks.

 

 

Still i suppose his comfort blanket of past crimes helps his anti english outrage.

 

Claims of libetarian outlooks only cover certain nationalities these days.

Christian white and english dont count apparently.

Seems to be the way of the pro independence supporters. If you are lucky you might get a sizeable cut and paste that nobody will read or an irrelevant meme.

[Beast Boy]

What's everyone's favourite historical fiction piece on the relationship between Scotland and England?

 

Mine is probably from the list below:

 

Waverley (The Novel) - Sir Walter Scott

Rob Roy (Motion picture) - Liam Neeson and Tim Roth

The Bruce Trilogy (Novels) - Nigel Trantor

 

In no particular order. Although on a scale of 1 - 10, I'd give The Bruce Trilogy an A+.

 

Everyone else?

[Barack]

What's everyone's favourite historical fiction piece on the relationship between Scotland and England?

 

Mine is probably from the list below:

 

Waverley (The Novel) - Sir Walter Scott

Rob Roy (Motion picture) - Liam Neeson and Tim Roth

The Bruce Trilogy (Novels) - Nigel Trantor

 

In no particular order. Although on a scale of 1 - 10, I'd give The Bruce Trilogy an A+.

 

Everyone else?

Good film, Rob Roy.

 

Tim Roth playing the sneering Englishman.

 

Liam Neeson playing the put upon, humble Scot.

 

What's not to like?

 

A solid 8 on the nationalist scale.

Edited March 5, 2017 by Barack

[jake]

Jake. Calm down mate. You are losing the plot a bit here. You are posting multiple replies to the same point and they are always really angry and abusive. Freedom will come mate, believe!

 

Attempts to have any kind of intelligent argument with you are pointless.

You are in fact nothing but a bigoted troll.

Im perfectly calm.

How you do not get at least banned for some time i do not know.

It seems its acceptable to bait english or northern irish protestants.

 

You are a fake .

Goodbye.

Xx

[Beast Boy]

 

Caption competition

 

 

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[jake]

Seems to be the way of the pro independence supporters. If you are lucky you might get a sizeable cut and paste that nobody will read or an irrelevant meme.

 

Thing is i am pro independence.

I think there are good solid arguments for being so.

But i do respect that most people realise that living in this country is a mile of what the absolute rockets posting describe.

They are responsible for polarising debate and posters such as earl are as bigoted as the ones they call out on it.

[jake]

 

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Look at me im earl the fud

[Beast Boy]

Look at me im earl the fud

A decent C+ out of 10. Not bad.

[Barack]

 

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"Why, Mr. Mundell, my hair is far more fluffy than yours."

[Beast Boy]

I'm feeling a bit besieged here. A lot of really angry posters all wanting to take a bite out of me. I'm like India being attacked from all sides by Imperialistic types wanting to empty me of what makes me great.

[jake]

I'm feeling a bit besieged here. A lot of really angry posters all wanting to take a bite out of me. I'm like India being attacked from all sides by Imperialistic types wanting to empty me of what makes me great.

 

How apt my caption was

[Beast Boy]

How apt my caption was

I liked it too. I gave it a generous mark.

 

(Now I feel like Ghandi extending a peaceful hand to my hateful attacker.)

[AlphonseCapone]

On a scale of 1-10 id say Scotland was as liberated as you can get.

Try reading what i posted again as you seem to have jumped in without thinking.

Granted a trait common these days to so called left leaners

What about a scale of 1 - 20 though?

[Space Mackerel]

Clearly whoever wrote that shit is about as worth reading as your shit.

 

Scotland at any point is able to remove itself from the union with England through the will and democratic right of the people who live here.

 

That includes english or any other demograph.

 

One other thing spacey .

Your last post regarding my writing style.

 

Would that be in response to the poster who backed up your credentials as a hearts fan which were convenient to say the least.

 

Wee ginger dug may be able to convince you. But until you and earl face up to the fact that real people with reality in mind need convinced of the posivitive argument for independence.

That economic and present future politics will work for them and their children.

Then no amount of past sins or braveheart mentality will deliver that goal.

That was a positive case for independence that WGD blogged.

Most Of Yes's arguments are positive. It's the Brit Nats that have started Project Fear Mk 2 already, without a date of the referendum being declared.

 

 

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[deesidejambo]

That was a positive case for independence that WGD blogged.

Most Of Yes's arguments are positive. It's the Brit Nats that have started Project Fear Mk 2 already, without a date of the referendum being declared.

 

 

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Apart from Nippy and Eck repeatedly declaring it to be highly likely.

 

Now they have to call it or shut their pieholes a for a generation

[Space Mackerel]

Apart from Nippy and Eck repeatedly declaring it to be highly likely.

 

Now they have to call it or shut their pieholes a for a generation

Starting from 49% instead of 28% this time.

 

 

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[Yoda]

Starting from 49% instead of 28% this time.

 

 

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49%???  Thought you got 45%.

 

Latest polls showing support for Indy is falling not rising.  Only 25% want ref2.

[deesidejambo]

Starting from 49% instead of 28% this time.

 

 

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Maybe you can get to 120% then

[deesidejambo]

49%??? Thought you got 45%.

 

Latest polls showing support for Indy is falling not rising. Only 25% want ref2.

Indeed the call for Ref2 is low but Nippy is cornered. She will come under pressure to get off the fence as the Country gets more tired of the uncertainty.

[Space Mackerel]

49%??? Thought you got 45%.

 

Latest polls showing support for Indy is falling not rising. Only 25% want ref2.

You've got to stop reading that Yoon press, it's giving you a false sense of security.

 

 

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[deesidejambo]

You've got to stop reading that Yoon press, it's giving you a false sense of security.

 

 

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So the polls are also lying?

 

 

For normal people - support for Ref2 is around 25%.  Nicola is cornered.

 

For Space Missile - Support for Ref 2 is 100% and 100% if everyone will vote Yes.

[Space Mackerel]

So the polls are also lying?

 

 

For normal people - support for Ref2 is around 25%. Nicola is cornered.

 

For Space Missile - Support for Ref 2 is 100% and 100% if everyone will vote Yes.

You believe whatever you want to believe.

 

As I've said numerous times, the next one will be called when it's a def Yes.

 

 

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[deesidejambo]

You believe whatever you want to believe.

 

As I've said numerous times, the next one will be called when it's a def Yes.

 

 

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Then you will have a long wait.

 

Tick

 

 

Tock

 

 

 

New batteries required

[Space Mackerel]

Then you will have a long wait.

 

Tick

 

 

Tock

 

 

 

New batteries required

You better tell Mooth, May and Mundell then.

They're in a right wee panic about it.

 

 

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[Boris]

I'm not surprised polls show a reluctance to have another referendum.  In truth, I'm not sure anyone wants one, however Brexit has acted as a catalyst, IMO.  Equally, those calling for the Scottish Government to call one now are not going to get that.  The Govt will bide its time, wait to see how Brexit unfolds etc, which makes sense to me.

 

So, in other words, we'll see.  

[pablo]

I'm not surprised polls show a reluctance to have another referendum. In truth, I'm not sure anyone wants one, however Brexit has acted as a catalyst, IMO. Equally, those calling for the Scottish Government to call one now are not going to get that. The Govt will bide its time, wait to see how Brexit unfolds etc, which makes sense to me.

 

So, in other words, we'll see.

A catalyst for what? The SNP were drawing up their plans for another referendum the day after the Brexit vote. Had their been any sight of a surge in support for independence we'd have seen those plans, there wasn't, so we haven't.

[reaths17]

I'm not surprised polls show a reluctance to have another referendum.  In truth, I'm not sure anyone wants one, however Brexit has acted as a catalyst, IMO.  Equally, those calling for the Scottish Government to call one now are not going to get that.  The Govt will bide its time, wait to see how Brexit unfolds etc, which makes sense to me.

 

So, in other words, we'll see.  

not that I have any faith in a snap poll from a selected demographic area which actually might have people from a different area passing through, but I seen one somewhere that said 59% would like the fish to STFU about independence and start running the country and 12% who wanted to keep prattling on about independence

[Boris]

A catalyst for what? The SNP were drawing up their plans for another referendum the day after the Brexit vote. Had their been any sight of a surge in support for independence we'd have seen those plans, there wasn't, so we haven't.

 

 

Sturgeon has been at pains to NOT go gung ho (IMO) but Davidson seems to be the one obsessed with it.  I don't disagree with your point regards had there been support it would have been called already, either.

 

But the idea of "material change" could lead to another indy ref, and Brexit is certainly that, so in that sense it is Brexit that has led us to where we are i.e. it is the catalyst in all of this.  Had there been no Brexit vote, or a remain win, we wouldn't be discussing this right now.

[Space Mackerel]

not that I have any faith in a snap poll from a selected demographic area which actually might have people from a different area passing through, but I seen one somewhere that said 59% would like the fish to STFU about independence and start running the country and 12% who wanted to keep prattling on about independence

Where did you get these figures from?

 

 

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[Thunderstruck]

Sturgeon has been at pains to NOT go gung ho (IMO) but Davidson seems to be the one obsessed with it. I don't disagree with your point regards had there been support it would have been called already, either.

 

But the idea of "material change" could lead to another indy ref, and Brexit is certainly that, so in that sense it is Brexit that has led us to where we are i.e. it is the catalyst in all of this. Had there been no Brexit vote, or a remain win, we wouldn't be discussing this right now.

If the UK had voted to remain in EU, we would be discussing some other pretext. Of that, there can be no doubt; independence is the oxygen of the SNP and a useful smokescreen for an abysmal record in Government.

 

It does seem, however, that those who favour Independence have conflated Scotland's predominantly "Remain" stance with a vote to "Leave" the UK. There are far too many variables for that to be predicted with any certainty whatsoever.

 

The simple fact is that despite the "Leave" vote, support for Independence remains becalmed at circa 35% of the electorate and support for another referendum declines steadily. Several polls in recent weeks confirm this.

[Boris]

If the UK had voted to remain in EU, we would be discussing some other pretext. Of that, there can be no doubt; independence is the oxygen of the SNP and a useful smokescreen for an abysmal record in Government.

 

It does seem, however, that those who favour Independence have conflated Scotland's predominantly "Remain" stance with a vote to "Leave" the UK. There are far too many variables for that to be predicted with any certainty whatsoever.

 

The simple fact is that despite the "Leave" vote, support for Independence remains becalmed at circa 35% of the electorate and support for another referendum declines steadily. Several polls in recent weeks confirm this.

 

By the same methodology less than 50% of the electorate wish to remain as part of the UK.

 

Would we be discussing another pretext?  I'm not so sure.

 

For the record, I don't vote SNP, but I'm not sure their record is "abysmal", yet if it is, why do they still get returned to office in record numbers by those who bother to vote?  Let's face it, Scotland returned a majority of pro-independence MSP's at the last Holyrood elections.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

If the UK had voted to remain in EU, we would be discussing some other pretext. Of that, there can be no doubt; independence is the oxygen of the SNP and a useful smokescreen for an abysmal record in Government.

 

It does seem, however, that those who favour Independence have conflated Scotland's predominantly "Remain" stance with a vote to "Leave" the UK. There are far too many variables for that to be predicted with any certainty whatsoever.

 

The simple fact is that despite the "Leave" vote, support for Independence remains becalmed at circa 35% of the electorate and support for another referendum declines steadily. Several polls in recent weeks confirm this.

 

Correct.

[Boris]

Correct.

 

Such as?

[reaths17]

Where did you get these figures from?

 

 

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it was in one of the morning papers I think, they've all got a poll about summit. it wont have made WOS so you'll miss it.

[deesidejambo]

By the same methodology less than 50% of the electorate wish to remain as part of the UK.

 

Would we be discussing another pretext? I'm not so sure.

 

For the record, I don't vote SNP, but I'm not sure their record is "abysmal", yet if it is, why do they still get returned to office in record numbers by those who bother to vote? Let's face it, Scotland returned a majority of pro-independence MSP's at the last Holyrood elections.

There is a link but we shouldn't conflate need for Indy with SNP representation at Westminster or Holyrood.

 

Ian quite happy to vote for Calum Mcaig as my Westminster MP as he is doing a good job for his constituents on local issues here.

 

But that's the problem for Nippy: the better job they do for Scotland in Westminster, the less the need for Independence as Scots see their needs being met by, ironically, the SNP.

 

This explains the difference in percentage vote share between elections and Referenda.

[deesidejambo]

it was in one of the morning papers I think, they've all got a poll about summit. it wont have made WOS so you'll miss it.

I am a No voter and I want Indyref2 asap to put this issue to bed so we can end the uncertainty and move on.

 

Either that or bin it for a generation.

 

But the limbo we are now in is sad for all in Scotland as we remain divided and unable to move on.

[jambo lodge]

Former SNP leader , Gordon Wilson in pro indy paper The Herald saying today " SNP face referendum at the worst possible time".   

[Dawnrazor]

Former SNP leader , Gordon Wilson in pro indy paper The Herald saying today " SNP face referendum at the worst possible time".

 

But they'll want another referendum, and if they don't win they'll want another..... Then another...

Do the SNP have plans for a repeat referendum, if a yes vote prevails, for the Stay Together side to try and win again?

[Space Mackerel]

it was in one of the morning papers I think, they've all got a poll about summit. it wont have made WOS so you'll miss it.

What morning paper? Which one do you read?

 

 

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[Yoda]

Former SNP leader , Gordon Wilson in pro indy paper The Herald saying today " SNP face referendum at the worst possible time".   

The tartan Taliban will be calling him a traitor for going off message and speaking such blasphemy.

[Harry Potter]

Fish puss will call a second Ref within 2 weeks, source my BBC  mate, this will get messy, Silly cow, loves scotland , arsehole.

[Space Mackerel]

I am a No voter and I want Indyref2 asap to put this issue to bed so we can end the uncertainty and move on.

 

Either that or bin it for a generation.

 

But the limbo we are now in is sad for all in Scotland as we remain divided and unable to move on.

And the UK isn't divided at this moment in time?

 

I think you Yoons need a reality check to what the Tory party have done, worse than supposedly the SNP.

 

 

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[Space Mackerel]

Fish puss will call a second Ref within 2 weeks, source my BBC mate, this will get messy, Silly cow, loves scotland , arsehole.

Oor Nic getting this yin seething. [emoji41]^^^^^

 

 

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[Yoda]

I'm not surprised polls show a reluctance to have another referendum.  In truth, I'm not sure anyone wants one, however Brexit has acted as a catalyst, IMO.  Equally, those calling for the Scottish Government to call one now are not going to get that.  The Govt will bide its time, wait to see how Brexit unfolds etc, which makes sense to me.

 

So, in other words, we'll see.  

I agree it makes sense, but if Brexit turns out to be successful, then Sturgeon will have some job convincing Scots to vote Indy with a view to joining the Euro, shengen and everything else that goes along with EU membership.  Leaving behind Scotland's biggest export market in rUK.

[Harry Potter]

So any vote now is open to a second vote, legal beaks will love this, BIG CAN OF wORMS

[Harry Potter]

Oor Nic getting this yin seething. [emoji41]^^^^^

 

 

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OOr Nic ha ha ha, shes in it for herself , no brains u lot, oor nic, ha ha, 

[deesidejambo]

And the UK isn't divided at this moment in time?

 

I think you Yoons need a reality check to what the Tory party have done, worse than supposedly the SNP.

 

 

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I'm more concerned that, even if Indy prevails, Scotland remains bitterly divided. And this division is made worse by the uncertainty over all our futures and the future for our kids.

 

And the only way to heal is move on. And the only way to move on is to have another Ref.

 

So get on with it Nicola for the people of Scotland to decide. Again.