Even More SNP Nonsense

[Doogz]

57 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

You're not serious about changing, that much is clear. You're challenging every point, asking questions to try and trip folk out.

 

Macroeconomic powers list please?

Jeez but you're paranoid -and still no answer.

I'm not trying to trip anyone up just asking you a genuine question to see if you are prepared to engage in a different approach towards Indy. Personally I see a slow transition of powers as a far more sensible approach as it allows for greater flexibility in changing the speed of the transition if required.

What's your issue with at least considering different approaches to Indy? I await you're next non-sequitur question/ deflection / insult with enormous anticipation!

[Brighton Jambo]

15 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

All the best BJ. No offence but I don't trust much of the media. Have a great weekend. I'm having a curry and a beer or 2.

Me too! Enjoy 

[Yoda]

4 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said:

I agree, If I was TM I would encourage another vote ASAP.  She stands a decent chance of winning, not guaranteed I grant you, but if No wins that is the end Of this for 20 years plus.  No one not even the most ardent yes voter could credibly call for a third vote if they lose again especially against the backdrop of Brexit.  

I wouldn't bet on it.  These half-wits that march through Glasgow every other month waving their flags, don't seem to have anything else going on in their sad lives.

 

The neverendum.

[ri Alban]

9 hours ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Have you not noticed, Jack picks up any old nonsense he's read on Twitter? Or makes it up in his heid.

Heid? Arse mair like.

[ri Alban]

9 hours ago, Yoda said:

I wouldn't bet on it.  These half-wits that march through Glasgow every other month waving their flags, don't seem to have anything else going on in their sad lives.

 

The neverendum.

Half wits, they're not the one voting to give their country away. Better together marches for a month every year, so fair's fair.

Edited June 2, 2018 by ri Alban

[Space Mackerel]

14 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Scotland’s fiscal deficit has narrowed but it is still more than three times the scale of the UK as a whole. 

Scottish government data in 2016-17, released on Wednesday, showed the notional deficit is still more than 8 per cent of gross domestic product, far above levels most policymakers would see as sustainable.

The data underscore the extremely difficult fiscal situation Scotlandwould be likely to face if it sought independence in the near future — and would have had to contend with had it voted in 2014 to leave the UK.

 

Could you paste the whole article BJ please? 

 

[Brighton Jambo]

23 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Could you paste the whole article BJ please? 

 

Scotland deficit more than three times UK as a whole

Numbers show difficult fiscal position country would face in event of independence

Nicola Sturgeon said improvement in deficit was encouraging © PA

   

August 23, 2017 10:59 am by Mure Dickie in Edinburgh

Scotland’s fiscal deficit has narrowed but it is still more than three times the scale of the UK as a whole. 

Scottish government data in 2016-17, released on Wednesday, showed the notional deficit is still more than 8 per cent of gross domestic product, far above levels most policymakers would see as sustainable.

The data underscore the extremely difficult fiscal situation Scotlandwould be likely to face if it sought independence in the near future — and would have had to contend with had it voted in 2014 to leave the UK.

 

The Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland figures, known as Gers, estimate Scotland’s net fiscal balance — the gap between public income and spending — at £13.3bn in 2016-17, in large part because of the collapse in North Sea oil revenues.

That is equivalent to 8.3 per cent of GDP, compared with 2.4 per cent for the UK as a whole.

Scotland’s notional deficit in the previous year was £14.5bn, 9.3 per cent of GDP.

Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s first minister, said the improvement was “encouraging” as she played down the significance of the data for her independence cause.

She said the data reflected Scotland’s finances “under current constitutional arrangements” and that the underlying economy remained “strong”.

The first minister highlighted a more than 6 per cent increase in onshore tax revenues in 2016-17, the fastest rate in nearly 20 years, noting also Scotland’s surprise rebound in economic growth in the first quarter of this year.

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But opponents of independence seized on the Gers figures, which made clear that Scotland would have faced very tough spending choices if it had become independent in March 2016 as Ms Sturgeon hoped.

David Mundell, the UK government’s Scotland secretary, said the Gers data were cause for concern. 

“They also highlight the value of pooling and sharing resources around the UK,” Mr Mundell said. “Being part of a strong UK has protected our living standards.”

The scale of the notional deficit was the result of relatively high public spending in Scotland and the collapse since 2014 of taxes on oil output from Scottish areas of the North Sea.

Scotland’s geographic share of UK North Sea oil revenues rose to £208m in 2016-17, up from the paltry £56m recorded for the previous years, but still far below levels enjoyed before the 2014 Scottish independence referendum.

In 2011-12, revenues from oil in Scottish waters were worth £9.6bn, more than Scotland’s total public spending on education, training and environmental protection.

Ms Sturgeon’s Scottish National party’s claims in 214 that an independent Scotland would enjoy a better fiscal situation were based largely on rosy estimates of future oil revenues.

The SNP has yet to offer a revised fiscal case for independence and economists say there appears little prospect of a big revival in revenues from ageing North Sea fields even if oil prices do recover.

Ahead of the 2014 referendum, the Scottish government made the “authoritative” Gers report the basis of its fiscal analysis for independence, but the growing deficit has prompted SNP figures to since dismiss it as misleading or irrelevant. 

Ms Sturgeon said she was not “quibbling about the essence or reliability” of data prepared by her government’s own statisticians. But she echoed party comrades in stressing that Gers was inherently limited by reliance on estimates needed to disaggregate Scotland from the overall UK.

Many indicators are rely on estimates, however, and Graeme Roy, director of the University of Strathclyde’s Fraser of Allander Institute, said even radically changing the estimation methods would not change Gers headline conclusions.

“Gers does provide a pretty accurate picture of where Scotland is in 2016-17,” Mr Roy said. “In doing so, it sets a useful starting point for a discussion about the immediate choices and challenges that need to be addressed by those advocating further constitutional change.”

 

[Brighton Jambo]

2 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Scotland deficit more than three times UK as a whole

Numbers show difficult fiscal position country would face in event of independence

Nicola Sturgeon said improvement in deficit was encouraging © PA

   

August 23, 2017 10:59 am by Mure Dickie in Edinburgh

Scotland’s fiscal deficit has narrowed but it is still more than three times the scale of the UK as a whole. 

Scottish government data in 2016-17, released on Wednesday, showed the notional deficit is still more than 8 per cent of gross domestic product, far above levels most policymakers would see as sustainable.

The data underscore the extremely difficult fiscal situation Scotlandwould be likely to face if it sought independence in the near future — and would have had to contend with had it voted in 2014 to leave the UK.

 

The Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland figures, known as Gers, estimate Scotland’s net fiscal balance — the gap between public income and spending — at £13.3bn in 2016-17, in large part because of the collapse in North Sea oil revenues.

That is equivalent to 8.3 per cent of GDP, compared with 2.4 per cent for the UK as a whole.

Scotland’s notional deficit in the previous year was £14.5bn, 9.3 per cent of GDP.

Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s first minister, said the improvement was “encouraging” as she played down the significance of the data for her independence cause.

She said the data reflected Scotland’s finances “under current constitutional arrangements” and that the underlying economy remained “strong”.

The first minister highlighted a more than 6 per cent increase in onshore tax revenues in 2016-17, the fastest rate in nearly 20 years, noting also Scotland’s surprise rebound in economic growth in the first quarter of this year.

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But opponents of independence seized on the Gers figures, which made clear that Scotland would have faced very tough spending choices if it had become independent in March 2016 as Ms Sturgeon hoped.

David Mundell, the UK government’s Scotland secretary, said the Gers data were cause for concern. 

“They also highlight the value of pooling and sharing resources around the UK,” Mr Mundell said. “Being part of a strong UK has protected our living standards.”

The scale of the notional deficit was the result of relatively high public spending in Scotland and the collapse since 2014 of taxes on oil output from Scottish areas of the North Sea.

Scotland’s geographic share of UK North Sea oil revenues rose to £208m in 2016-17, up from the paltry £56m recorded for the previous years, but still far below levels enjoyed before the 2014 Scottish independence referendum.

In 2011-12, revenues from oil in Scottish waters were worth £9.6bn, more than Scotland’s total public spending on education, training and environmental protection.

Ms Sturgeon’s Scottish National party’s claims in 214 that an independent Scotland would enjoy a better fiscal situation were based largely on rosy estimates of future oil revenues.

The SNP has yet to offer a revised fiscal case for independence and economists say there appears little prospect of a big revival in revenues from ageing North Sea fields even if oil prices do recover.

Ahead of the 2014 referendum, the Scottish government made the “authoritative” Gers report the basis of its fiscal analysis for independence, but the growing deficit has prompted SNP figures to since dismiss it as misleading or irrelevant. 

Ms Sturgeon said she was not “quibbling about the essence or reliability” of data prepared by her government’s own statisticians. But she echoed party comrades in stressing that Gers was inherently limited by reliance on estimates needed to disaggregate Scotland from the overall UK.

Many indicators are rely on estimates, however, and Graeme Roy, director of the University of Strathclyde’s Fraser of Allander Institute, said even radically changing the estimation methods would not change Gers headline conclusions.

“Gers does provide a pretty accurate picture of where Scotland is in 2016-17,” Mr Roy said. “In doing so, it sets a useful starting point for a discussion about the immediate choices and challenges that need to be addressed by those advocating further constitutional change.”

 

Mods- not sure what the deal is with copyright rules so if this shouldn’t be posted please remove.  Thanks

[Space Mackerel]

5 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Scotland deficit more than three times UK as a whole

Numbers show difficult fiscal position country would face in event of independence

Nicola Sturgeon said improvement in deficit was encouraging © PA

   

August 23, 2017 10:59 am by Mure Dickie in Edinburgh

Scotland’s fiscal deficit has narrowed but it is still more than three times the scale of the UK as a whole. 

Scottish government data in 2016-17, released on Wednesday, showed the notional deficit is still more than 8 per cent of gross domestic product, far above levels most policymakers would see as sustainable.

The data underscore the extremely difficult fiscal situation Scotlandwould be likely to face if it sought independence in the near future — and would have had to contend with had it voted in 2014 to leave the UK.

 

The Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland figures, known as Gers, estimate Scotland’s net fiscal balance — the gap between public income and spending — at £13.3bn in 2016-17, in large part because of the collapse in North Sea oil revenues.

That is equivalent to 8.3 per cent of GDP, compared with 2.4 per cent for the UK as a whole.

Scotland’s notional deficit in the previous year was £14.5bn, 9.3 per cent of GDP.

Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s first minister, said the improvement was “encouraging” as she played down the significance of the data for her independence cause.

She said the data reflected Scotland’s finances “under current constitutional arrangements” and that the underlying economy remained “strong”.

The first minister highlighted a more than 6 per cent increase in onshore tax revenues in 2016-17, the fastest rate in nearly 20 years, noting also Scotland’s surprise rebound in economic growth in the first quarter of this year.

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But opponents of independence seized on the Gers figures, which made clear that Scotland would have faced very tough spending choices if it had become independent in March 2016 as Ms Sturgeon hoped.

David Mundell, the UK government’s Scotland secretary, said the Gers data were cause for concern. 

“They also highlight the value of pooling and sharing resources around the UK,” Mr Mundell said. “Being part of a strong UK has protected our living standards.”

The scale of the notional deficit was the result of relatively high public spending in Scotland and the collapse since 2014 of taxes on oil output from Scottish areas of the North Sea.

Scotland’s geographic share of UK North Sea oil revenues rose to £208m in 2016-17, up from the paltry £56m recorded for the previous years, but still far below levels enjoyed before the 2014 Scottish independence referendum.

In 2011-12, revenues from oil in Scottish waters were worth £9.6bn, more than Scotland’s total public spending on education, training and environmental protection.

Ms Sturgeon’s Scottish National party’s claims in 214 that an independent Scotland would enjoy a better fiscal situation were based largely on rosy estimates of future oil revenues.

The SNP has yet to offer a revised fiscal case for independence and economists say there appears little prospect of a big revival in revenues from ageing North Sea fields even if oil prices do recover.

Ahead of the 2014 referendum, the Scottish government made the “authoritative” Gers report the basis of its fiscal analysis for independence, but the growing deficit has prompted SNP figures to since dismiss it as misleading or irrelevant. 

Ms Sturgeon said she was not “quibbling about the essence or reliability” of data prepared by her government’s own statisticians. But she echoed party comrades in stressing that Gers was inherently limited by reliance on estimates needed to disaggregate Scotland from the overall UK.

Many indicators are rely on estimates, however, and Graeme Roy, director of the University of Strathclyde’s Fraser of Allander Institute, said even radically changing the estimation methods would not change Gers headline conclusions.

“Gers does provide a pretty accurate picture of where Scotland is in 2016-17,” Mr Roy said. “In doing so, it sets a useful starting point for a discussion about the immediate choices and challenges that need to be addressed by those advocating further constitutional change.”

 

 

This article is 10 months old and is using figures from 2016-2017, in effect 2 years ago.

 

I doubt the Murdoch legal eagles will chase you either

 

[Thunderstruck]

 

44 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

This article is 10 months old and is using figures from 2016-2017, in effect 2 years ago.

 

I doubt the Murdoch legal eagles will chase you either

 

Do we have GERS 17-18?  It is based on a set of accounts and these will be lucky if they are finalised by the end of May. 

 

What are the odds against the 17-18 report showing any sort of improvement?

[Space Mackerel]

2 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

Do we have GERS 17-18?  It is based on a set of accounts and these will be lucky if they are finalised by the end of May. 

 

What are the odds against the 17-18 report showing any sort of improvement?

 

Dont blame me for blowing what was said completely out the water. They did it themselves. 

[jambo lodge]

Scottish Fiscal Commission predicts tax take will be down £ 1.7b over next 5 years. Will be fine though in La La Land.

[Space Mackerel]

14 minutes ago, jambo lodge said:

Scottish Fiscal Commission predicts tax take will be down £ 1.7b over next 5 years. Will be fine though in La La Land.

 

Makes you wonder what the Ireland and the Nordic countries are doing and what Scotland’s doing wrong then? 

[jambo lodge]

12 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Makes you wonder what the Ireland and the Nordic countries are doing and what Scotland’s doing wrong then? 

No answer then? Responsibility for both raising taxes and spending them is going to be something new for Her Ladyship.

[Space Mackerel]

6 minutes ago, jambo lodge said:

No answer then? Responsibility for both raising taxes and spending them is going to be something new for Her Ladyship.

 

You suggest the solutions then? You’re the one critising the figures.

 

Tax cuts suggested by Ruth not so long ago then flip flopped to none the other day? 

 

 

 

[Space Mackerel]

What is this U.K. economy he speaks of?

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44323693

[Thunderstruck]

15 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

You suggest the solutions then? You’re the one critising the figures.

 

Tax cuts suggested by Ruth not so long ago then flip flopped to none the other day? 

 

 

 

 

Isn’t there a difference between “tax breaks for the rich” as proposed by Davidson and what we have - lumping the extra burden onto the poor mugs on PAYE. 

[Space Mackerel]

7 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Mods- not sure what the deal is with copyright rules so if this shouldn’t be posted please remove.  Thanks

 

I’m fairly sure they wouldn’t mind you copying and pasting to this from The Times seeing you have a login?

 

Its bang up to date too. ?

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/italy-like-scotland-should-take-the-high-road-to-reclaiming-sovereignty-72tm6q506

[Space Mackerel]

2 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

Isn’t there a difference between “tax breaks for the rich” as proposed by Davidson and what we have - lumping the extra burden onto the poor mugs on PAYE. 

 

Waaaaaaahaaaay, trickle down economics says TS. That’s gone well so far. 

 

Hows about getting the graphs out to show the top 1% are doing so far from the last 30 years. 

[jambo lodge]

27 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

You suggest the solutions then? You’re the one critising the figures.

 

Tax cuts suggested by Ruth not so long ago then flip flopped to none the other day? 

 

 

 

You are the one on here constantly promoting independence. I'm not criticising the figures merely reporting them on here. So what's the solution? Its for the SNP government to deal with tax deficits and the problems they will cause.  

[Space Mackerel]

Just now, jambo lodge said:

You are the one on here constantly promoting independence. I'm not criticising the figures merely reporting them on here. So what's the solution? Its for the SNP government to deal with tax deficits and the problems they will cause.  

 

Give us full fiscal and monetary independence is my answer. 

[jambo lodge]

2 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Give us full fiscal and monetary independence is my answer. 

That's not an answer just wishful thinking. The SNP government is needing to mature and stop just whinging about Westminster. Being responsible for raising income and how to spend it will be good practice if they ever dream of being the government in an independent Scotland. 

[Space Mackerel]

Just now, jambo lodge said:

That's not an answer just wishful thinking. The SNP government is needing to mature and stop just whinging about Westminster. Being responsible for raising income and how to spend it will be good practice if they ever dream of being the government in an independent Scotland. 

 

List of macroeconomic powers and borrowing please.

[jambo lodge]

12 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

List of macroeconomic powers and borrowing please.

You just cannot answer a question !!!!!!!

There are limited powers during devolution but a couple of things spring to mind. How about a culture change in the current SNP Government. Try talking up Scotland and placing a delay on any new referendum for 10 years until Brexit is over and done with. That would give companies in Scotland the confidence to invest and the reassurance that taxation in  Scotland will not change dramatically any time soon. How about increasing the Budget of Scottish Enterprise substantially and directing them to make the most of the investment in the Scottish City deals which are ongoing with the support of the UK Government. Doing nothing but complaining is not good enough. 

[Space Mackerel]

9 minutes ago, jambo lodge said:

You just cannot answer a question !!!!!!!

There are limited powers during devolution but a couple of things spring to mind. How about a culture change in the current SNP Government. Try talking up Scotland and placing a delay on any new referendum for 10 years until Brexit is over and done with. That would give companies in Scotland the confidence to invest and the reassurance that taxation in  Scotland will not change dramatically any time soon. How about increasing the Budget of Scottish Enterprise substantially and directing them to make the most of the investment in the Scottish City deals which are ongoing with the support of the UK Government. Doing nothing but complaining is not good enough. 

 

What do you think is doing the most harm to the Scottish economy? The current Brexit process or this referendum that’s not even or may be never be announced soon? 

 

Clue: I just posted a link from the BBC about leveraging the U.K. SINGLE market economy 40 mins ago. 

[jambo lodge]

Just now, Space Mackerel said:

 

What do you think is doing the most harm to the Scottish economy? The current Brexit process or this referendum that’s not even or may be never be announced soon? 

 

Clue: I just posted a link from the BBC about leveraging the U.K. SINGLE market economy 40 mins ago. 

thanks for the non answer, once again.

[Thunderstruck]

51 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

I’m fairly sure they wouldn’t mind you copying and pasting to this from The Times seeing you have a login?

 

Its bang up to date too. ?

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/italy-like-scotland-should-take-the-high-road-to-reclaiming-sovereignty-72tm6q506

 

Did you read the article? If so what point are you trying to make?

 

[Thunderstruck]

55 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Waaaaaaahaaaay, trickle down economics says TS. That’s gone well so far. 

 

Hows about getting the graphs out to show the top 1% are doing so far from the last 30 years. 

 

I suppose that is as close as we will get to you admitting that you misrepresented what Davidson actually said. Do you agree that removing/reducing tax breaks from/for the wealthy is a good move?

 

As you may have gathered, I am wary of graphics without context and data but, to assist, the attached shows that the contribution of the top 1% to the exchequer has grown under the Tories after an easy few years under Labour. I’ll leave you to determine if it is accurate or statisticulation. 

 

“IFS” is the Institute for Fiscal Studies.

[Space Mackerel]

16 minutes ago, jambo lodge said:

thanks for the non answer, once again.

 

Hey democracy, ya’ll listening? Lodgey says chill for 10 years so he can get a chubby at Trooping the Colour and Royal Weddings  

 

PS Brexit and the damage it’s doing is all a figment of your imaginations. 

[Hasselhoff]

1 hour ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

I’m fairly sure they wouldn’t mind you copying and pasting to this from The Times seeing you have a login?

 

Its bang up to date too. ?

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/italy-like-scotland-should-take-the-high-road-to-reclaiming-sovereignty-72tm6q506

 

You do realise this is an opinion piece by John Kay, who was specially selected as an advisor for the Scottish government? Even then it isn't the most positive of articles about Indy!

 

https://news.gov.scot/news/two-new-advisors-to-offer-expertise

 

 

 

 

[Doogz]

12 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Hey democracy, ya’ll listening? Lodgey says chill for 10 years so he can get a chubby at Trooping the Colour and Royal Weddings  

Here you go mentioning Trooping the Colour again - obviously you're very proud of your previous career in the British army but I don't understand why you keep bringing this up in discussions about Indy and the SNP. 

[jambo lodge]

23 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Hey democracy, ya’ll listening? Lodgey says chill for 10 years so he can get a chubby at Trooping the Colour and Royal Weddings  

 

PS Brexit and the damage it’s doing is all a figment of your imaginations. 

Very good Spacey but no point in debating with you as you never answer the questions raised. You asked for ideas I gave you a couple but par for the course you try to divert the topic.

[Space Mackerel]

28 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

I suppose that is as close as we will get to you admitting that you misrepresented what Davidson actually said. Do you agree that removing/reducing tax breaks from/for the wealthy is a good move?

 

As you may have gathered, I am wary of graphics without context and data but, to assist, the attached shows that the contribution of the top 1% to the exchequer has grown under the Tories after an easy few years under Labour. I’ll leave you to determine if it is accurate or statisticulation. 

 

“IFS” is the Institute for Fiscal Studies.

 

Link pkease. 

 

And has it not crossed your mind to consider that their percentages have increased because their percentage of wealth has increased? Ergo, the other 99% are skinto? 

[Space Mackerel]

23 minutes ago, Hasselhoff said:

 

You do realise this is an opinion piece by John Kay, who was specially selected as an advisor for the Scottish government? Even then it isn't the most positive of articles about Indy!

 

https://news.gov.scot/news/two-new-advisors-to-offer-expertise

 

 

 

 

 

Isn't everything about opinions?

 

I haven't read it as it's behind a paywall hence asking BJ to post it.

 

[Thunderstruck]

23 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Link pkease. 

 

And has it not crossed your mind to consider that their percentages have increased because their percentage of wealth has increased? Ergo, the other 99% are skinto? 

 

I gave you the source, go and look. 

 

Then you can, as I suggested, decide whether it is of value. 

[Space Mackerel]

4 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

I gave you the source, go and look. 

 

Then you can, as I suggested, decide whether it is of value. 

 

Would it not be easier to just go into your browsing history and post the page you got your info?

[Space Mackerel]

13 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

I gave you the source, go and look. 

 

Then you can, as I suggested, decide whether it is of value. 

 

Ooooops. Not all this IFS is cracked up to be huh?  Knew I heard of their dodgy connections in the past, sort of on a par with that Tax Payers Alliance crowd.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/aug/19/tax.taxandspending

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/mar/15/british-umpire-how-institute-fiscal-studies-became-most-influential-voice-in-uk-economic-debate

 

Edited June 2, 2018 by Space Mackerel

[Thunderstruck]

6 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Ooooops. Not all this IFS is cracked up to be huh?  Knew I heard of their dodgy connections in the past, sort of on a par with that Tax Payers Alliance crowd.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/aug/19/tax.taxandspending

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/mar/15/british-umpire-how-institute-fiscal-studies-became-most-influential-voice-in-uk-economic-debate

 

 

If you paid attention to the post you quoted, you will see that I did not vouch for the chart and indicated a wariness of unsubstantiated graphics. 

 

You simply asked for “graphs” without any indication of what it was in which they were doing. Did they not teach you to be precise in language at Crab Bootcamp. 

 

You clearly think that the wealthy are doing rather well so perhaps you could indulge us with details on who they are and why they are doing so well. 

[Hasselhoff]

57 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Isn't everything about opinions?

 

I haven't read it as it's behind a paywall hence asking BJ to post it.

 

 

From Fraser Whyte's Twitter :

 

'Odd to see the FM sharing an article which savages the indyref white paper she co-wrote, says it would be "inescapable that an independent Scotland would lose the benefit of the subsidy from England" & that "the report falls short of presenting an economic case for independence"

 

Not to mention arguing brexit will have a negative impact on Scotland, "but, like [Ireland and Northern Ireland] , Scotland needs a single market with England more."

Seen other SNP pols & Andrew Wilson sharing it too. Maybe they just hope folk won't get further than the headline'

 

I read an image version of it on Twitter earlier, the headline is certainly misleading

 

[Space Mackerel]

14 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

If you paid attention to the post you quoted, you will see that I did not vouch for the chart and indicated a wariness of unsubstantiated graphics. 

 

You simply asked for “graphs” without any indication of what it was in which they were doing. Did they not teach you to be precise in language at Crab Bootcamp. 

 

You clearly think that the wealthy are doing rather well so perhaps you could indulge us with details on who they are and why they are doing so well. 

 

Why you posted something you "did not vouch for" I'll never know.

 

I do clearly think the wealthy are doing very well, so much so they got $20 trillion bailout in 2008, F.O.C. and still allowed to carry on carte blanche. By the way, this is the last month the Quantitive Easing payments run out from the UK government Ivebeen told by my FA.  Big meetings going on about what to do next he is having.

 

 

[Space Mackerel]

2 minutes ago, Hasselhoff said:

 

From Fraser Whyte's Twitter :

 

'Odd to see the FM sharing an article which savages the indyref white paper she co-wrote, says it would be "inescapable that an independent Scotland would lose the benefit of the subsidy from England" & that "the report falls short of presenting an economic case for independence"

 

Not to mention arguing brexit will have a negative impact on Scotland, "but, like [Ireland and Northern Ireland] , Scotland needs a single market with England more."

Seen other SNP pols & Andrew Wilson sharing it too. Maybe they just hope folk won't get further than the headline'

 

I read an image version of it on Twitter earlier, the headline is certainly misleading

 

 

Ive asked BJ to post the entire article on here. Nicola Sturgeon was on Twitter saying she did not agree with some points in it but I would like to read it none the less.

[Hasselhoff]

Sturgeon found to be lying, or ignorant at the very least, in first ministers questions, same with the SNP girl on question time who repeated this line. 

 

Unlike other bloggers like Wings whose main talent is being good at using Google for finding dirt on people, Kevin Hague probably understand GERS and the economy better than the politicians themselves and exposes their misinformation in excellent detail. Call him a unionist all you want, but he is is using transparent sources and facts to illustrate his argument and that can't be dismissed

 

http://chokkablog.blogspot.com/2018/06/andrew-wilsons-doublethink-masterclass.html

 

If you have time, check out the last 4 or 5 articles he has done in the last week or so.   The guy is doing Scotland a massive favour exposing the nationalists

[Space Mackerel]

2 minutes ago, Hasselhoff said:

Sturgeon found to be lying, or ignorant at the very least, in first ministers questions, same with the SNP girl on question time who repeated this line. 

 

Unlike other bloggers like Wings whose main talent is being good at using Google for finding dirt on people, Kevin Hague probably understand GERS and the economy better than the politicians themselves and exposes their misinformation in excellent detail. Call him a unionist all you want, but he is is using transparent sources and facts to illustrate his argument and that can't be dismissed

 

http://chokkablog.blogspot.com/2018/06/andrew-wilsons-doublethink-masterclass.html

 

If you have time, check out the last 4 or 5 articles he has done in the last week or so.   The guy is doing Scotland a massive favour exposing the nationalists

 

Seriously, who is this guy? Owned or owns a pet food company? 

 

I've literally no idea who he is and why Unionists take him so seriously. Is he the Scottish version of an anti-Jock Noam Chomsky? 

[Hasselhoff]

6 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Seriously, who is this guy? Owned or owns a pet food company? 

 

I've literally no idea who he is and why Unionists take him so seriously. Is he the Scottish version of an anti-Jock Noam Chomsky? 

 

Knew that would be your response, totally from the Wings crib sheet. 

 

Have a look at the following 4 pictures from when one of Sturgeons minions cast doubt on his qualifications to comment

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/kevverage/status/681825359571083264/photo/1

 

 

 

[Space Mackerel]

4 minutes ago, Hasselhoff said:

 

Knew that would be your response, totally from the Wings crib sheet. 

 

Have a look at the following 4 pictures from when one of Sturgeons minions cast doubt on his qualifications to comment

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/kevverage/status/681825359571083264/photo/1

 

 

 

 

"Top First in Mechanical Engineering"

 

I've been a mechanical and electrical engineer for 26 years

 

Actually 28.

 

 

Edited June 2, 2018 by Space Mackerel

[Hasselhoff]

4 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

"Top First in Mechanical Engineering"

 

I've been a mechanical and electrical engineer for 26 years

 

Actually 28.

 

 

 

And?... 

 

I work with computers, doesn't mean I am Bill Gates

[Space Mackerel]

Just now, Hasselhoff said:

 

And?... 

 

I work with computers, doesn't mean I am Bill Gates

 

He can't even spell "medalist" right

 

First, but not for English

[Hasselhoff]

1 minute ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

He can't even spell "medalist" right

 

First, but not for English

 

Both are valid spellings

 

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/medallist

[Space Mackerel]

Just now, Hasselhoff said:

 

Both are valid spellings

 

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/medallist

 

 

So how come he's an expert in constitutional, macro economics and tax raising etc etc etc etc?

 

Because he knows how to weld cast iron?

[Hasselhoff]

4 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

So how come he's an expert in constitutional, macro economics and tax raising etc etc etc etc?

 

Because he knows how to weld cast iron?

 

Don't pretend you would listen to what he has to say even if he did have that qualifications. Ronald McDonald (not that one!) is a macroeconomic expert and you ignore what he says. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_MacDonald_(economist)

 

Did you know Craig Dalzell from Common Weal who wrote that "how to start a new country" that I think you linked to the other day was a laser engineer? (Apologies if it wasn't you)

 

If someone researches something properly, accepts corrections and updates their work with the corrections with a note then I don't care what their day job is.