Maroon Sailor Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Boris said: You do know how the eu works don’t you? I was wondering why we still kept the pound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: For the hard of thinking Natz among us, an explanation of why their great victory on 12th December is just another defeat for the SNP. Literally no matter what happened you would claim it's a failure for the SNP though to be fair. Edited December 14, 2019 by Smithee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 8 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 9 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: FANDABBYDOZY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Ray Gin said: It wasn't the will of slightly more Scottish people, over 5 years ago (longer than the time between general elections). How do you know what the will is now? Have you held.... a referendum? Latest survey 2 weeks ago 56% against Indy ref too bad No happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Ray Gin said: That was 3 years ago. This is now. Ah right. What date did the referendum become invalid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Smithee said: Literally no matter what happened you would claim it's a failure for the SNP though to be fair. Same would be said here for any other party. And it is. Ad Nauseum. Nice to have some balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelicropcircle Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Just wait till This massive Tory win goes to bojos massive heed & he needs another round of austerity to get his no deal brexit over the line...then measure the Indy support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogaza Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I suspect Johnson will say the UK Government will allow a referendum if there is a pro-referendum majority after the 2021 Scottish election. If that is the case, could the Scottish Government dissolve parliament for an early election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 hours ago, TheOak88 said: Ah right. What date did the referendum become invalid? When we got told we were being pulled out of the EU against our will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: When we got told we were being pulled out of the EU against our will. Doesn’t make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: Latest survey 2 weeks ago 56% against Indy ref too bad No happening That's not the latest survey. Here's one from last week https://www.thenational.scot/news/18087994.scotland-back-post-brexit-independence-new-poll-reveals/ "The poll of 1020 voters in Scotland between December 3 and 6 found 51%, would back independence if the UK leaves the EU, while 49% would vote against it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Just now, TheOak88 said: Doesn’t make sense. Of course it does. We were lied to, the result of the last referendum is invalid. Politicians should not be allowed to say any old crap to win a vote and then do the opposite once they've got the result they wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 22 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: Of course it does. We were lied to, the result of the last referendum is invalid. Politicians should not be allowed to say any old crap to win a vote and then do the opposite once they've got the result they wanted. Who was lied to? Nobody really gave a shit about remaining in the EU at the Independence referendum. People were voting for Scotland to be Independent or remain in the U.K Sturgeon used Brexit as an excuse to get another referendum. She's an opportunist who will not stop beating her Independence drum. It's ALL she cares about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Who was lied to? Nobody really gave a shit about remaining in the EU at the Independence referendum. People were voting for Scotland to be Independent or remain in the U.K Sturgeon used Brexit as an excuse to get another referendum. She's an opportunist who will not stop beating her Independence drum. It's ALL she cares about All of us were lied to and 62% of us gave a shit about staying in the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Just now, Ray Gin said: All of us were lied to and 62% of us gave a shit about staying in the EU. No we weren't Minds were already made up on the question Should Scotland be an Independent Country ? Not should Scotland be an Independent Country within the EU ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Ray Gin said: That's not the latest survey. Here's one from last week https://www.thenational.scot/news/18087994.scotland-back-post-brexit-independence-new-poll-reveals/ "The poll of 1020 voters in Scotland between December 3 and 6 found 51%, would back independence if the UK leaves the EU, while 49% would vote against it." The fecking “National” an independent survey aye right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 7 hours ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: Same would be said here for any other party. And it is. Ad Nauseum. Nice to have some balance. Spouting more shite isn't balance mate, it's just more shite. But whatever, if you dont care about your credibility why would I? Knock yourself out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: The fecking “National” an independent survey aye right The national is just reporting the result of a panelbase survey, which tories were happy to give credence to in the run up to the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: Who was lied to? Nobody really gave a shit about remaining in the EU at the Independence referendum. People were voting for Scotland to be Independent or remain in the U.K Sturgeon used Brexit as an excuse to get another referendum. She's an opportunist who will not stop beating her Independence drum. It's ALL she cares about Scottish! National! Party! It's in the name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 13 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: FANDABBYDOZY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 On 13/12/2019 at 22:56, Roxy Hearts said: There isn't a constitution in the UK. Ok.- in that case explain why constitutional matters aren't devolved matters to Holyrood and a Section 30 order is required for the nationalists to hold a legally binding referendum? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_second_Scottish_independence_referendum I really don't see where the SNP could go with this as any legal challenge looks pointless. Notably I think Sturgeon knows this as I haven't heard her talk about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 hours ago, ri Alban said: Scottish! National! Party! It's in the name. They were told No though. What part of No do the SNP not understand ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 7 hours ago, Smithee said: Spouting more shite isn't balance mate, it's just more shite. But whatever, if you dont care about your credibility why would I? Knock yourself out! So you admit you spout shite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Zlatanable said: We have had three referendums this decade. The PR one in 2011. The Scottish Independence in 2014. The European Union on in 2016. Why do you feel you have a right to overturn any of them? Because we live in a democracy, people can change their minds, and people who couldn't vote on those previous ones can now. It is not more democratic to have one single vote, the result of which is binding forever. It's why we have a general election every 5 years or less. Edited December 15, 2019 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: They were told No though. What part of No do the SNP not understand ? 5 years ago. The Tories had another vote recently because they didn't like result of the last general election. Why is it OK for them but not for Scotland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 12 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: No we weren't Minds were already made up on the question Should Scotland be an Independent Country ? Not should Scotland be an Independent Country within the EU ? But the No side heavily campaigned on remaining in the union being the way to guarantee Scotland kept its place in the EU. A year later England voted to take us all out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: But the No side heavily campaigned on remaining in the union being the way to guarantee Scotland kept its place in the EU. A year later England voted to take us all out. Didn't say that on the options on my ballot paper. One question Should Scotland be an Independent Country ? The choice was Yes or No to that question wasn't it ? An isolated question It wasn't a General Election vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Didn't say that on the options on my ballot paper. One question Should Scotland be an Independent Country ? The choice was Yes or No to that question wasn't it ? An isolated question It wasn't a General Election vote an absurd argument and you know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: 5 years ago. The Tories had another vote recently because they didn't like result of the last general election. Why is it OK for them but not for Scotland? Why would the Tories want another vote when they are already in government ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: an absurd argument and you know it. The question was absurd. They tried to be smart with it as well ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 On 14/12/2019 at 07:34, Maroon Sailor said: Why is The Sturge wanting to be Independent but still be part of a Union ? How does that work ? Just choose a Union you want to be part of and claim your Independent because you have broken away from another Union you don't like ? A picture paints a thousand words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 52 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Why would the Tories want another vote when they are already in government ? The Torys won’t be wanting another vote up here for a long long time. They were FIVE-ONED. Most pleasing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: A picture paints a thousand words. So more powers but not Independent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 26 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: The Torys won’t be wanting another vote up here for a long long time. They were FIVE-ONED. Most pleasing. Keep saying that and maybe you might convince yourself. There isn't going to be another Indy Ref this coming parliament. Tories hold all the cards and have said categorically no before, during, and now after the election. Its not happening, mate. 👌 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Maroon Sailor said: Why would the Tories want another vote when they are already in government ? They won't now. However they held two early General elections until they finally got the majority that they wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitonastranger Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, frankblack said: Keep saying that and maybe you might convince yourself. There isn't going to be another Indy Ref this coming parliament. Tories hold all the cards and have said categorically no before, during, and now after the election. Its not happening, mate. 👌 You keep telling yourself that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 On 13/12/2019 at 15:58, Old Hearts said: Tears and snotters at Boris getting a huge majority type post 😎😎😎 Did he get a majority in Scotland? Did he? Did he though? Naw, he didny. Because real Scots rejected him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: They won't now. However they held two early General elections until they finally got the majority that they wanted. The majority they needed to deliver the democratic vote of Brexit without any stumbling blocks like Corbyn put up. If Brexit had been rejected, Cameron would still be in until next May and if Corbyn was still leader of the opposition probably in until 2025 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, Spitonastranger said: You keep telling yourself that Pray tell Einstein, how are you planning to make the Tories give you Indy Ref 2 when they have a decisive majority at Westminster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: The majority they needed to deliver the democratic vote of Brexit without any stumbling blocks like Corbyn put up. If Brexit had been rejected, Cameron would still be in until next May and if Corbyn was still leader of the opposition probably in until 2025 ! There was a democractic vote that did not give the Tories the majority they needed - in fact there were two of them. They gave themselves three chances to get the majority they needed. THREE. SNP only get one through and that's the only one they are ever allowed, despite a massive change in circumstances from the last time and more time passed than between the maximum for general elections. Aye, sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Space Mackerel said: A picture paints a thousand words. Sturgeland would be powerless in the EU compared to the UK as a whole. And the goal of the EU is a federal Europe and ever closer community. That chart, if accurate, is only going one way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: There was a democractic vote that did not give the Tories the majority they needed - in fact there were two of them. They gave themselves three chances to get the majority they needed. THREE. SNP only get one through and that's the only one they are ever allowed, despite a massive change in circumstances from the last time and more time passed than between the maximum for general elections. Aye, sound. The vote was for the UK to leave the EU That is what the government were told to do by a majority of people living in the UK Not their fault they have arseholes like Corbyn to contend with. There was no other option to have a GE to get rid of him once and for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot since 86 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 People moan about politicians not engaging in sensible debate and instead having slagging matches, posters in here not doing any better. Instead of all the petty insults on both sides can you not just articulate your point and answer questions directly? Also, “Sturgeland” ?!? **** me that’s bad 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, Hot since 86 said: People moan about politicians not engaging in sensible debate and instead having slagging matches, posters in here not doing any better. Instead of all the petty insults on both sides can you not just articulate your point and answer questions directly? Also, “Sturgeland” ?!? **** me that’s bad 😂 Sturgeland would be very bad, true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Spitonastranger said: You keep telling yourself that Go easy on Frank, he’s been 100% wrong on everything so far. 😁😁😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Just now, Space Mackerel said: Go easy on Frank, he’s been 100% wrong on everything so far. 😁😁😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, JackLadd said: Sturgeland would be very bad, true. I take it you missed this the other day? Every major A&E misses wait target for first time https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50718869 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: They were told No though. What part of No do the SNP not understand ? 3 GEs in 4 years. Minds change and you know the games a bogey. Tick Tock!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 38 minutes ago, JackLadd said: Sturgeland would be powerless in the EU compared to the UK as a whole. And the goal of the EU is a federal Europe and ever closer community. That chart, if accurate, is only going one way. I bet the EU would let her have an Independence referendum though, like England did? 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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