Maroon Sailor Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 Weakest of the programmes I thought. Plenty of problems but no solutions from the coaches Think that might be next weeks programme We've been hearing about solutions and way forwards ever since that debacle in 1993 when Portugal humped Scotland 5-0 in a World Cup qualifier. Roxburgh and Brown killed the flair in the Scotland team and it's been a pish watch since the 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy2 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 That ref for the Italy game was utterly transparent; the ref for the 2 - 2 Czech game was about the same Wasn't fletcher's goal from a corner or a very narrow angle? Seem to remember that the claim was that it went over the bye-line, back in then blew into the net The cross was from a fairly deep position, was a fine headed finish and wasn't within a yard of being out. Maybe Sunday's poor refereeing display in our favour has marked a change in fortune? We'll see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I switched off when they were going on about Ravenscrsig and Thatcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Hunger is missing nowadays. We are not breeding winners as the in thinking at schools and boys football is that there are no losers and more importantly no winners. School sports days. All get a badge/medal nowadays regardless of whether first or laSt. In my opinion that's a nonsense. Same with boys football. If a team are say 8 nil up take a player off them to even things up. Nonsense. It doesn't happen in adult football do why in children's? In all sport there are winners and there are losers. With our attitude of taken away the competitiveness we are breeding losers and this is what has to change. I got some hammerings playing for the school and boys club. What did it mean for me personally? Determined to do better the next time. 9 times out of 10 I did. Never dreamed of packing it in because I got beat. I wanted to win. Small point, John: I don't know much about school sports teams, and I am not doubting you, but I would say that sports day at my kids' school is really just a fun day out for the kids and parents. Not everyone gets a badge/medal, but they can earn house points or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Fredrickson Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Re the points about the future. Having recently been involved in youth football I would say the coaching now is far, far better than it was when I was growing up in the 70s and 80s. The coaching I was involved with was all about ball work and even the fitness stuff involved footballs. Somebody on the show last night (Murdo?) said that the Scottish teams of old had players who were heroes to all the kids growing up but not now. I think they were right. Some of my earliest football memories are of Donald Ford and Jim Cruickshamk and indeed Cruicky inspired me to play in goals for more than half my life. Nowadays there is no-one I would class as a hero. Probably Rudi was the last one but do the younger generations look up to Scottish players as heroes or are they suffering as a result of the SKY generation whereby Bale, Messi etc are the heroes? Back to the youth football and of the 40 odd that turned up for training, more than half would be wearing Real or Barcelona strips. Not my boy though, only Hearts strips for him. Anyway, I have went off on a bit of a tangent and I hope next weeks show tries and looks at solutions. I really enjoyed listening to Souness last night and it pains me to say it but guys like him should be involved with our youngsters - as he has been there and achieved so much in the game. That experience shouldnt go to waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Roxburgh and Brown were SFA men who were never managers. They started the rot with their school teacher attitude to the players. With the players at their disposal we underperformed big-time and the we went from bad to worse with Vogts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Instead we appointed people like Burley and Levein who were well out their depth and nobody respected them.As a manager like Burley and Levein they shouldn't take any crap from bigtime charlies. Respect goes with fear. Mess me about and i'll kick your arse out of the team forever. And the whole world will know why.As manager we can get on great and have a fab time mess me about and you will suffer. Very simple managing players. Never suffer from arseholes even if they think they are gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 The cross was from a fairly deep position, was a fine headed finish and wasn't within a yard of being out. Maybe Sunday's poor refereeing display in our favour has marked a change in fortune? We'll see... Cheers; remember on the match thread on here, put a bet on both Fletchers to score next & was bumped by that decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Roxburgh and Brown were SFA men who were never managers. They started the rot with their school teacher attitude to the players. With the players at their disposal we underperformed big-time and the we went from bad to worse with Vogts. We qualified for 4 of the 5 major finals during the 90's, our most successful decade in terms of qualifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Small point, John: I don't know much about school sports teams, and I am not doubting you, but I would say that sports day at my kids' school is really just a fun day out for the kids and parents. Not everyone gets a badge/medal, but they can earn house points or whatever. That's my point. Don't call it sports day. Call it fun day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Roxburgh and Brown were SFA men who were never managers. They started the rot with their school teacher attitude to the players. With the players at their disposal we underperformed big-time and the we went from bad to worse with Vogts. Brown gets a harsh amount of criticism, he does deserve some for sticking with certain players for far too long but based on qualifications etc and actual results he's probably one of the modest successful Scotland managers ever and the players he had at his disposal were completely mediocre compared to previous generations who achieved just as little if not less. Would even go as far to say John Collins aside our current squad isn't a whole lot worse than the team that qualified for Euro 96. It might have had 'premiership' players but there isn't a hope in hell the likes of Spencer, Whyte, Gemmill and McKinley would be at that level in the modern era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Scotland are much better when not polluted by Celtic and Rangers. Poison that kills the league and national side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Just watched it. That free kick decision against Italy. WTAF? And McLeish had a phone call the week before? Should surely have raised the issue before now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 Just watched it. That free kick decision against Italy. WTAF? And McLeish had a phone call the week before? Should surely have raised the issue before now? No mention of it here but he did say he expected the 50/50's to go to Italy. The foul on Hutton was 100/0 though ! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7092597.stm As for McFadden's prediction ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Paul Mitchell's "James McFadden scores the best goal he's scored for his country" seems an ever more miserable example of a commentator failing to do justice to the occasion. Salmond just stopped short of saying Stein was ahead of his time because he knew deep down that independence was the answer and the annual Scotland-England matches got in the way of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi-Robertson Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Wee Pasty my old Betterwear man at the 82 World Cup. He's a sound wee guy, as sound as Hibs fans go anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi-Robertson Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Just watched it. That free kick decision against Italy. WTAF? And McLeish had a phone call the week before? Should surely have raised the issue before now? I've definitely heard that before. I can't mind where, it could have been an interview with Chic Young when he done a series of interviews with all the current living managers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Hearts Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 And remember this is the mute broono who sat all night with fergie and mcgreggs while they drank alcohol when broono sat there sipping water like an overawed teenager watching guys who's balls had dropped but he wished his own balls would actually defy gravity....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 And remember this is the mute broono who sat all night with fergie and mcgreggs while they drank alcohol when broono sat there sipping water like an overawed teenager watching guys who's balls had dropped but he wished his own balls would actually defy gravity.......Yes, because not drinking alcohol makes you a lesser manager. Craig Brown was a mediocre manager (his poor man's Ryan Giggs comment still rankles with me) but his drinking prowess has bugger all to do with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 And remember this is the mute broono who sat all night with fergie and mcgreggs while they drank alcohol when broono sat there sipping water like an overawed teenager watching guys who's balls had dropped but he wished his own balls would actually defy gravity....... I don't believe Broonaldo for one second either. Just as pished as wee bazza and greegsie nap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Hearts Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Levein, 4-6-0, playing for a draw, hummm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiHMFC Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Levein, 4-6-0, playing for a draw, hummm! It's no wonder he hasn't won anything with that mentality, he should have been emptied that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Levein, 4-6-0, playing for a draw, hummm! I'll never be convinced that you can set up without an out ball up front but I'd be more inclined to empty a manager who played for a draw against Georgia than one who played for a draw against the Czechs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy2 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I'm in total agreement that the 4-6-0 idea was a shambles the way it was planned and how it played out. However, Levein's worst for me was Macedonia at home (1-1), although again his team was behind to an offside goal. I remember spending all of the second half on my phone wishing I was somewhere, anywhere, but Hampden. Didn't use my season ticket for any other game that campaign and haven't been back since for a home game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiHMFC Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Leveins reign was really bad to watch, the Liechtenstein game at home where it took a 94th minute header from a corner to win aswell, Kris boyd standing still up front all night. Absolutely brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Leveins reign was really bad to watch, the Liechtenstein game at home where it took a 94th minute header from a corner to win aswell, Kris boyd standing still up front all night. Absolutely brutal. I was more embarrassed for Richard Gordon doing a Gary Neville on the commentary for that goal, which BBC Radio Scotland put onto the podcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Yes, because not drinking alcohol makes you a lesser manager. Craig Brown was a mediocre manager (his poor man's Ryan Giggs comment still rankles with me) but his drinking prowess has bugger all to do with that. You praising him way too highly there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiHMFC Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I was more embarrassed for Richard Gordon doing a Gary Neville on the commentary for that goal, which BBC Radio Scotland put onto the podcast. Grim, I'm sure there's a video of alan mcinally celebrating the goal on sky sports like it was the goal to send us to the finals i was there and i don't think i evem clapped, so so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 At least Levein was honest that he had no intention of going for a win in the Czech Republic. Pity he didn't say so before they got on the plane. It would have saved the Tartan Army forking out for flights, hotels and tickets and save a lot of us from tuning in. Levein being Levein will not admit that he got it wrong though and says he would do it again but with 2 recognised strikers but play them in a deeper role. How stupid does he think football fans are - we'd see straight through that FFS ! That guy has a problem admitting he makes mistakes ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Found a link to it! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/8978554.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted September 15, 2016 Author Share Posted September 15, 2016 Final part tonight Just saw a snippet of tonight's show - Craig Brown bumping his gums about trying to sell to Scottish clubs Gerard Houllier's rule that no club in the French top flight could sign more than 20 players over the age of 21 saying Monaco brought in two 17 year olds in Henry and Trezeguet and were in the National team 2 years later. Goes on to say that Celtic and Rangers voted against the proposal and it was never instigated. That in a nutshell tells you everything wrong with the game up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo dans les Pyrenees Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Final part tonight Just saw a snippet of tonight's show - Craig Brown bumping his gums about trying to sell to Scottish clubs Gerard Houllier's rule that no club in the French top flight could sign more than 20 players over the age of 21 saying Monaco brought in two 17 year olds in Henry and Trezeguet and were in the National team 2 years later. Did Craig keep a straight face when talking about giving youth a chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted September 15, 2016 Author Share Posted September 15, 2016 Did Craig keep a straight face when talking about giving youth a chance? He probably checked if Albert Tatlock had a Scottish grandad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norrie1952 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 He probably checked if Albert Tatlock had a Scottish grandadgiving your age away bro haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hueyview Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Watching Collins deserting Hibs....... We always seemed to qualify under Andy Roxburgh..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Was really enjoying that until Warburton appeared on screen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted September 15, 2016 Author Share Posted September 15, 2016 All this talk about grass roots coaching, youth development. There seems to be no such thing as a natural born footballer now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted September 15, 2016 Author Share Posted September 15, 2016 Watching Collins deserting Hibs....... We always seemed to qualify under Andy Roxburgh..... Deserting lazy, egotistical gobshites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamborossco Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Final part tonight Just saw a snippet of tonight's show - Craig Brown bumping his gums about trying to sell to Scottish clubs Gerard Houllier's rule that no club in the French top flight could sign more than 20 players over the age of 21 saying Monaco brought in two 17 year olds in Henry and Trezeguet and were in the National team 2 years later. Goes on to say that Celtic and Rangers voted against the proposal and it was never instigated. That in a nutshell tells you everything wrong with the game up here. just watched that on the programme, just goes to show that the Old Firm truly are the cancer of Scottish Football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hueyview Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Womens football.......,poor tam cowan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 All this talk about fixing our grass roots game. Same talk that's been spouted since about 2002 and **** all has changed. The best suggestion is to get young lads in if their good enough regardless of age to give them a chance. To make sure teams must play a certain amount of youth. Why hasn't the policy been changed? Because giving young lads a chance puts the OF at a disadvantage in Europe. Aye it could of been 10-0 instead of 7-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted September 15, 2016 Author Share Posted September 15, 2016 just watched that on the programme, just goes to show that the Old Firm truly are the cancer of Scottish Football Set the game back even further with their short sightedness due to feathering their own nests. Such a shame that they finance the game in Scotland due to religious persuasions and sucking all the blockheads in form other parts of the country where there are professional clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC 86 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Jeezo Dempster looks in some state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelly Terraces Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Jeezo Dempster looks in some stateThat's 3 years at h1b5 for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted September 15, 2016 Author Share Posted September 15, 2016 Jeezo Dempster looks in some state Thought it was Jonathan Woodgate until her name came up on the screen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted September 15, 2016 Author Share Posted September 15, 2016 You wouldnae want to get on the wrong side of Shelley Kerr ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Common sense shown by our former captain Simply put we need to produce more and more importantly better players. Better facilities, giving children the chances to play and learn for free (or very cheaply),coaches of a good standard and football first not clubs first mantra Start in the schools, boys clubs (or girls) etc, and give them the resources required to not only play but also improve their health as they do so. Like it or not Money is the key along with working smarter with what we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 John Collins - "it's not often you win a cup final with 5 goals" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden Gorgie Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 It's been a very good series of documentaries to be fair. Plenty lessons to be learned. Will we learn? Doubt it. That programme tonight highlighted the fact that we need people like Ann and Dempster running, or having a greater say, in the game. Not OF-loving twonks like Doncaster and Regan who take a huge salary and contribute **** all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted September 15, 2016 Author Share Posted September 15, 2016 Common sense shown by our former captain Simply put we need to produce more and more importantly better players. Better facilities, giving children the chances to play and learn for free (or very cheaply),coaches of a good standard and football first not clubs first mantra Start in the schools, boys clubs (or girls) etc, and give them the resources required to not only play but also improve their health as they do so. Like it or not Money is the key along with working smarter with what we have They've been spouting the same pish about grass roots for the last 30 years. Nothing has changed for the better. Scotland don't qualify for finals and no other clubs outwith Celtic and Rangers win the league. The game is not allowed to develop because of these two dictating things. Too much power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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