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[Statto]

Updated schedule of games;

 

Thursday 30th June

Heart of Midlothian v Infonet Tallinn

Tynecastle Stadium, kick off time unconfirmed

 

Wednesday 6th July

Infonet Tallinn v Heart of Midlothian

A. Le Coq Arena (Lillekula Stadium), kick off time unconfirmed

 

Thursday 14th July

Siroki Brijeg or Birkirkara v Heart of Midlothian*

unknown

 

Thursday 21st July

Heart of Midlothian* v Siroki Brijeg or Birkirkara

Tynecastle Stadium, kick off time unconfirmed

 

 

Could be difficult only having a few days between away fixtures, for fans and players. The positive thing is it's only around 3 hours if you can get a direct flight, it could have been 6/7 hours.

 

[peter_hmfc]

10 days between the 1st round draw and 1st leg, 8 days between the second leg of one round, and the first leg of the other. Who thinks up this pish ?

[The Treasurer]

10 days between the 1st round draw and 1st leg, 8 days between the second leg of one round, and the first leg of the other. Who thinks up this pish ?

And to think we moan about league games getting changed at short notice for TV.

You'd almost think that the authorities couldn't give a shit about actual supporters, but of course that's not the case 

[Swarlos]

A reminder of the teams we're likely to face in the 3rd and playoff rounds should we make it.

I'd say there's 7/8 teams in the 3rd round and 2/3 in the playoff that we could realistically beat.

 

Stranger things have happened.

 

Seeded teams coef.

------------------------ --- ----------------

AZ Alkmaar Ned 43.612

Racing Genk ** Bel 36.000

Lille OSC Fra 29.549

AS Saint-?tienne Fra 26.049

AA Gent Bel 25.000

FK Krasnodar Rus 24.216

Rapid Wien Aut 23.520

Slovan Liberec Cze 22.085

NK Maribor ** Slo 21.625

Maccabi Tel-Aviv * Isr 20.225

Spartak Moscow Rus 19.216

Austria Wien ** Aut 19.020

Partizan Belgrade ** Srb 16.925

West Ham United Eng 16.256

Hertha BSC Ger 16.035

Panathinaikos Gre 14.940

FC Midtjylland * Den 14.720

NK Rijeka Cro 14.275

Sassuolo Ita 14.087

Rio Ave Por 13.616

Vorskla Poltava Ukr 11.976

Maccabi Haifa ** Isr 11.725

HJK Helsinki * Fin 10.980

Hajduk Split ** Cro 10.775

FC Arouca Por 10.616

Apollon Limassol Cyp 10.435

Mlad? Boleslav Cze 10.085

Dinamo Minsk * Bls 10.000

Omonia Nicosia * Cyp 9.935

 

Seeded teams coef.

------------------------ --- ----------------

AZ Alkmaar *3 Ned 43.612

PAOK Thessaloniki @3 Gre 37.440

Steaua Bucuresti @3 Rom 36.576

AS Monaco @3 Fra 36.549

Racing Genk ** Bel 36.000

Lille OSC *3 Fra 29.549

AS Saint-?tienne *3 Fra 26.049

AA Gent *3 Bel 25.000

Young Boys @3 Sui 24.755

FK Krasnodar *3 Rus 24.216

Rapid Wien *3 Aut 23.520

Slovan Liberec *3 Cze 22.085

NK Maribor ** Slo 21.625

Maccabi Tel-Aviv * Isr 20.225

Spartak Moscow *3 Rus 19.216

Austria Wien ** Aut 19.020

Partizan Belgrade ** Srb 16.925

West Ham United *3 Eng 16.256

Hertha BSC *3 Ger 16.035

Panathinaikos *3 Gre 14.940

FC Midtjylland * Den 14.720

NK Rijeka *3 Cro 14.275

 

[Mr Rabbit]

A reminder of the teams we're likely to face in the 3rd and playoff rounds should we make it.I'd say there's 7/8 teams in the 3rd round and 2/3 in the playoff that we could realistically beat.Stranger things have happened.Seeded teams                   coef.              ------------------------ --- ----------------     AZ Alkmaar               Ned  43.612           Racing Genk **           Bel  36.000              Lille OSC                Fra  29.549              AS Saint-?tienne         Fra  26.049              AA Gent                  Bel  25.000             FK Krasnodar             Rus  24.216              Rapid Wien               Aut  23.520              Slovan Liberec           Cze  22.085              NK Maribor **            Slo  21.625              Maccabi Tel-Aviv *       Isr  20.225             Spartak Moscow           Rus  19.216              Austria Wien **          Aut  19.020              Partizan Belgrade **     Srb  16.925              West Ham United          Eng  16.256              Hertha BSC               Ger  16.035              Panathinaikos            Gre  14.940              FC Midtjylland *         Den  14.720              NK Rijeka                Cro  14.275              Sassuolo                 Ita  14.087              Rio Ave                  Por  13.616              Vorskla Poltava          Ukr  11.976             Maccabi Haifa **         Isr  11.725              HJK Helsinki *           Fin  10.980              Hajduk Split **          Cro  10.775              FC Arouca                Por  10.616              Apollon Limassol         Cyp  10.435              Mlad? Boleslav           Cze  10.085              Dinamo Minsk *           Bls  10.000             Omonia Nicosia *         Cyp   9.935              

Seeded teams                   coef.             ------------------------ --- ----------------    AZ Alkmaar *3            Ned  43.612              PAOK Thessaloniki @3     Gre  37.440              Steaua Bucuresti @3      Rom  36.576              AS Monaco @3             Fra  36.549            Racing Genk **           Bel  36.000             Lille OSC *3             Fra  29.549            AS Saint-?tienne *3      Fra  26.049            AA Gent *3               Bel  25.000              Young Boys @3            Sui  24.755             FK Krasnodar *3          Rus  24.216            Rapid Wien *3            Aut  23.520             Slovan Liberec *3        Cze  22.085             NK Maribor **            Slo  21.625           Maccabi Tel-Aviv *       Isr  20.225             Spartak Moscow *3        Rus  19.216              Austria Wien **          Aut  19.020             Partizan Belgrade **     Srb  16.925           West Ham United *3       Eng  16.256             Hertha BSC *3            Ger  16.035      Panathinaikos *3         Gre  14.940           FC Midtjylland *         Den  14.720              NK Rijeka *3             Cro  14.275              

No easy teams nowadays, especially in that list.

 

However if we do get to the third stage i would ideally prefer someone with a higher coefficient as it will help us in the next round. Getting a lower seeded team in the third round will just mean we get a choice of better teams in the fourth round.

[Ferryjambo99]

No easy teams nowadays, especially in that list.

 

However if we do get to the third stage i would ideally prefer someone with a higher coefficient as it will help us in the next round. Getting a lower seeded team in the third round will just mean we get a choice of better teams in the fourth round.

Coefficients don't transfer over from the 3rd round to the playoff round like 1st to the 2nd. Wed get our own coefficient

[DxB Hearts]

If we can beat someone on that list in the 3rd qualifier that would be a very good achievement. Beating some of the teams in the playoffs would be outstanding but, to be honest, unrealistic this year.

 

What's the deal with increasing our, and Scotland, coefficient? That's got to be the best bet to start reaching the group stages regularly. Look at the difference between who we may play next round and who Hibs are playing.

[Mr Rabbit]

Coefficients don't transfer over from the 3rd round to the playoff round like 1st to the 2nd. Wed get our own coefficient

[Swarlos]

If we can beat someone on that list in the 3rd qualifier that would be a very good achievement. Beating some of the teams in the playoffs would be outstanding but, to be honest, unrealistic this year.

 

What's the deal with increasing our, and Scotland, coefficient? That's got to be the best bet to start reaching the group stages regularly. Look at the difference between who we may play next round and who Hibs are playing.

If we drew Nicosia then NK Rijeka and played really well then we're in.

Easy as that

[DxB Hearts]

If we drew Nicosia then NK Rijeka and played really well then we're in.

Easy as that

That would be so so good. But likelyhood is that in at least one of the draws we'll get someone very decent.

 

My point was mainly, we need to get our coefficient to the point that we are the NK Rijeka or Nicosia drawing a team that's come through 3 other rounds. Not sure how long that takes or if we are very reliant on how others in Scotland do though.

 

You've got to think getting to the groups in the Europa League is a target part towards the end of our 5 year plan (and beyond).

[Statto]

A bit more information on our 1st round opponents;

 

Name: FC Infonet Tallinn

Formed: Jan 29th, 2002

 

They've played mostly in 4-2-3-1 and 4-2-2-2 formations this season.

 

Their top scorers in the league are 33 year old Estonian forward Vladimir Voskoboinikov, with 6 goals in 14 appearances and 26 year old Ghanaian centre back Ofosu Appiah also with 6 goals in 13 appearances.

After watching some highlights of their recent games, the majority of their goals come from crosses. 27 year old Russian Nikolay Mashichev has assisted in 10 league goals this season, he plays mostly in right midfield, 32 year old Estonian Dmitri Kruglov has assisted 8 league goals this season, he's played left back and left midfield this season.

 

They have a number of players with International experience, central midfielder Aleksandr Dmitrijev has 99 Estonian caps, midfielder Sergei Mosnikov with 23, left sided Dmitri Kruglov with 4 goals in 103 caps for Estonia, centre back Ofosu Appiah has 2 caps for Ghana, the centre forward Vladimir Voskoboinikov has 4 goals in 36 caps for Estonia.

 

A number of them have the experience of playing International games, some have previous European match experience, Voskoboinikov has played UEFA Cup games for Levadia Tallinn and more recently Champions League and Europa League qualifiers with Nomme Kalju, Kruglov most recently played CL qualifiers last season with Levadia Tallinn and also played a major part in Estonia's Euro 2012 qualifier run where they lost out in a Play off against Republic of Ireland. Dmitrijev also played in these qualifers.

 

 

We should win over 2 legs, they do have more European and International experience but we play at a higher level than them. If we prevent them getting the ball out wide and deal with any crosses that come in, we should be able to create enough to get into the next round. My only concern is they're half way through their season and could catch us a bit cold but I'm confident that the team will be ready. My prediction is a 3-0 win at Tynecastle and a 2-0 win in Tallinn.

[JyTees]

What's your thoughts on the abilities of our second round opponents Statto? Bosnian's or Maltese?

 

Really fancy a trip to Malta.

[Statto]

What's your thoughts on the abilities of our second round opponents Statto? Bosnian's or Maltese?

 

Really fancy a trip to Malta.

 

Neither have started their seasons yet.

 

Siroki Brijeg qualified by finishing 3rd last season, they crept in with 2 games to go, they had a strong finish to the season, winning 7 of the last 8. They weren't in European competition last season, the season before they were top for over half the season and with 7 games to go, could only win 1 game, missing out on Europe (3rd) by 3 points.

 

Birkirkara similarly had a strong finish to their season and only crept into the European place with 2 games to go, ending the season with 6 wins and 2 draws. They did play in Europe last season, beating Ulisses (Armenia) 3-1 (0-0 home and 3-1 away) then took West Ham to penalties in the next round, losing 1-0 away but beating them 1-0 in Malta on front of 14,500 fans, over 4 times their previous round attendance.

 

 

Bosnia are ranked 38th, Malta 50th, Scotland 25th.

 

Bosnia, similar to Scotland have been in decline in recent seasons, their clubs now entering QR1 instead of QR2. Siroki's recent records are 2012, a 2nd round extra time defeat to St Patrick's, 2013 a 2nd round 4-3 win against Kazakhstan's Irtysh followed by a 3rd round exit to Udinese, 2014 a 1st round 5-0 aggregate win against Gabala from Azerbaijan followed by a 6-1 defeat in the 2nd round to Czech's Mlada Boleslav.

 

Birkirkara's recent record is 2012, a 1st round away goals defeat to Macedonians Metalurg Skopje, 2013 a 2-0 defeat in the Champions League 2nd qualifying round to Maribor, 2014 a 6-2 defeat in the Europa League 1st round to Hungarians Diosgyor and last season as posted above, a win against Ulisses and penalty shoot out loss to West Ham.

 

Siroki have a 8,000 capacity stadium, Birkirkara 17,000. We'd get as many tickets as we required for either game.

 

I don't have a preference who we get. There's not a lot between the sides in terms of their recent records in Europe and even how they qualified for Europe this season. I don't know how big the gap in quality between the Bosnian and Maltese leagues is.

 

After a quick search for flights, Edinburgh to Bosnia is ?430 return 2 stops. ?220 from London with 1 stop. Edinburgh to Malta is ?240 with direct flights available.

[Gorgie_Rules]

Great info Statto, cheers

 

As mentioned, I think the long term goal for the club has to be to improve our own 5 year co-efficient. Celtic and Rangers are looking stronger than previous years and can see them giving the Scottish co-efficient a boost over the coming years. Whilst this is a doubled edged sword due to the finances they will get, I do believe the money we can make from getting to the groups can take the club to the next level.

 

How does accumulating points work in the qualifying rounds? If we won say 3 and drew 1 in rounds 1 and 2 and drew 1 in round 3 would this make any sort of significant change towards being seeded 3rd round next year?

[Statto]

Great info Statto, cheers

 

As mentioned, I think the long term goal for the club has to be to improve our own 5 year co-efficient. Celtic and Rangers are looking stronger than previous years and can see them giving the Scottish co-efficient a boost over the coming years. Whilst this is a doubled edged sword due to the finances they will get, I do believe the money we can make from getting to the groups can take the club to the next level.

 

How does accumulating points work in the qualifying rounds? If we won say 3 and drew 1 in rounds 1 and 2 and drew 1 in round 3 would this make any sort of significant change towards being seeded 3rd round next year?

 

I've just had a look at the coefficient rules and it looks like it's changed from when we were last in it.

 

You only get points based on the qualifying round you are eliminated from, no points for wins or draws in qualifying, only from the group stage onward.

 

The club's coefficient is calculated by taking the points over the past 5 years plus 20% of the association's points.

 

The association's points are calculated by taking the average points from all competing European clubs from your own association, this include points for wins and draws in qualifying (1 per win, 0.5 per draw) as well as points from the groups and knockout rounds (2 per win, 1 per draw).

 

For example last season, Aberdeen won 1, drawn 4 and lost 1, were eliminated in the 3rd qualifying round. They earned 1 coefficient point for this. (0.25 QR1, 0.5 QR2, 1 QR3, 1.5 QR4). They also earned 20% of Scotland's average for the season. Celtic earned 7.5 points, Aberdeen 3 (1pt for their win, 4x 0.5 for their 4 draws), St Johnstone 1 and Inverness 0.5. A total of 12 so an average of 3. Aberdeen added 20% of 3 (0.6) to their coefficient giving them 1.6 for the season.

 

 

As for the original question, we would earn 1 point for the 3rd round elimination, plus at least 0.2 from the association (4 pts for our wins/draws, 1 point average x 20% of this). We would also gain points from Celtic, Aberdeen and Hibs' wins and draws. 0.05 points per win and 0.025 points per draw.

 

Unless we reach the Play off round this season, we will probably drop down a bit. We will lose our 11/12 season coefficient of 2.050 then the following season we lose our 2.360 from 12/13. This season should be viewed as season 1 of 5. Building the coefficient back up to a point that we're looking to be seeded in the 3rd qualifying round and maybe even the Play off round. 3 points per season would be the borderline for being seeded in the Play off round, in 5 years.

 

It's unfortunate that we went through a spell of 3 seasons without European football because now we have to punch above our weight a bit for a few seasons to get back up there.

[Alva-Jambo]

Have we made enough good signings yet , to get through these early challenges?    Newco have brought 6 in.  I think we have two?  

I had thought great players would flood in, in June. 

[Statto]

Have we made enough good signings yet , to get through these early challenges?    Newco have brought 6 in.  I think we have two?  

I had thought great players would flood in, in June. 

 

From the players we've lost, Alexander is away, Hamilton will replace him. Augustyn away, Rherras will come in and compete with Oshaniwa for left back and Rossi will replace Augustyn, competing with Ozturk, Souttar and McGhee for centre back. Pallardo is away but didn't really feature last season. Reilly is away on loan and Dauda has returned to Vitesse, we've brought in Sammon and Muirhead to replace them. In addition to these, Gomis and King are back from their loan spells. Gomis will fill in for Kitchen until he returns from the Copa America and King will add competition for the wide midfield positions.

 

I still think we need a striker, especially if we are going to be playing 2 up front although bringing in a forward from our U20's may be a better option as unless we get a number of injuries and suspensions to our forwards, they'll possibly only play about 10 games this season, it would be better to give that experience to one of our own youth players than spending wages and possibly a transfer fee for a return of 10 games.

We also have the option of playing someone like Walker in behind a striker and push the wingers into a more advance position.

[Gorgie_Rules]

That new system of points actually makes pretty grim reading for us. As you say we are going to have to punch above our weight considerably in consecutive seasons and get a bit of luck in the draw to ever have a realistic chance at the groups.

[King Of The Cat Cafe]

Would love a trip to Vienna, or even West Ham................

[JyTees]

Neither have started their seasons yet.

 

Siroki Brijeg qualified by finishing 3rd last season, they crept in with 2 games to go, they had a strong finish to the season, winning 7 of the last 8. They weren't in European competition last season, the season before they were top for over half the season and with 7 games to go, could only win 1 game, missing out on Europe (3rd) by 3 points.

 

Birkirkara similarly had a strong finish to their season and only crept into the European place with 2 games to go, ending the season with 6 wins and 2 draws. They did play in Europe last season, beating Ulisses (Armenia) 3-1 (0-0 home and 3-1 away) then took West Ham to penalties in the next round, losing 1-0 away but beating them 1-0 in Malta on front of 14,500 fans, over 4 times their previous round attendance.

 

 

Bosnia are ranked 38th, Malta 50th, Scotland 25th.

 

Bosnia, similar to Scotland have been in decline in recent seasons, their clubs now entering QR1 instead of QR2. Siroki's recent records are 2012, a 2nd round extra time defeat to St Patrick's, 2013 a 2nd round 4-3 win against Kazakhstan's Irtysh followed by a 3rd round exit to Udinese, 2014 a 1st round 5-0 aggregate win against Gabala from Azerbaijan followed by a 6-1 defeat in the 2nd round to Czech's Mlada Boleslav.

 

Birkirkara's recent record is 2012, a 1st round away goals defeat to Macedonians Metalurg Skopje, 2013 a 2-0 defeat in the Champions League 2nd qualifying round to Maribor, 2014 a 6-2 defeat in the Europa League 1st round to Hungarians Diosgyor and last season as posted above, a win against Ulisses and penalty shoot out loss to West Ham.

 

Siroki have a 8,000 capacity stadium, Birkirkara 17,000. We'd get as many tickets as we required for either game.

 

I don't have a preference who we get. There's not a lot between the sides in terms of their recent records in Europe and even how they qualified for Europe this season. I don't know how big the gap in quality between the Bosnian and Maltese leagues is.

 

After a quick search for flights, Edinburgh to Bosnia is ?430 return 2 stops. ?220 from London with 1 stop. Edinburgh to Malta is ?240 with direct flights available.

Great info mate.

 

Malta for me!

[269miles]

Neither have started their seasons yet.

 

Siroki Brijeg qualified by finishing 3rd last season, they crept in with 2 games to go, they had a strong finish to the season, winning 7 of the last 8. They weren't in European competition last season, the season before they were top for over half the season and with 7 games to go, could only win 1 game, missing out on Europe (3rd) by 3 points.

 

Birkirkara similarly had a strong finish to their season and only crept into the European place with 2 games to go, ending the season with 6 wins and 2 draws. They did play in Europe last season, beating Ulisses (Armenia) 3-1 (0-0 home and 3-1 away) then took West Ham to penalties in the next round, losing 1-0 away but beating them 1-0 in Malta on front of 14,500 fans, over 4 times their previous round attendance.

 

 

Bosnia are ranked 38th, Malta 50th, Scotland 25th.

 

Bosnia, similar to Scotland have been in decline in recent seasons, their clubs now entering QR1 instead of QR2. Siroki's recent records are 2012, a 2nd round extra time defeat to St Patrick's, 2013 a 2nd round 4-3 win against Kazakhstan's Irtysh followed by a 3rd round exit to Udinese, 2014 a 1st round 5-0 aggregate win against Gabala from Azerbaijan followed by a 6-1 defeat in the 2nd round to Czech's Mlada Boleslav.

 

Birkirkara's recent record is 2012, a 1st round away goals defeat to Macedonians Metalurg Skopje, 2013 a 2-0 defeat in the Champions League 2nd qualifying round to Maribor, 2014 a 6-2 defeat in the Europa League 1st round to Hungarians Diosgyor and last season as posted above, a win against Ulisses and penalty shoot out loss to West Ham.

 

Siroki have a 8,000 capacity stadium, Birkirkara 17,000. We'd get as many tickets as we required for either game.

 

I don't have a preference who we get. There's not a lot between the sides in terms of their recent records in Europe and even how they qualified for Europe this season. I don't know how big the gap in quality between the Bosnian and Maltese leagues is.

 

After a quick search for flights, Edinburgh to Bosnia is ?430 return 2 stops. ?220 from London with 1 stop. Edinburgh to Malta is ?240 with direct flights available.

Not sure why you'd make that assumption. I was at the CL qualifier there a few years ago and it was a sell out. From memory , Hearts maybe had 400-500 fans (and Vlad bussed in his local workers too). The Siroki fans (then) were incredibly passionate about their team. Any Jambos going should take plenty of Hearts stuff to give away - on my visit they would take anything with a Hearts badge/name/colours on it. It's a bit of a status symbol to taunt other Bosnian fans with. 

 

If it's the same stadium then get ready for a shock. It has no facilities (all fans share one set of toilets , from memory)  - fans were allowed to leave the stadium and go to the petrol station across the road at half time to get cold drinks - and it was damn hot. 

[Statto]

Not sure why you'd make that assumption. I was at the CL qualifier there a few years ago and it was a sell out. From memory , Hearts maybe had 400-500 fans (and Vlad bussed in his local workers too). The Siroki fans (then) were incredibly passionate about their team. Any Jambos going should take plenty of Hearts stuff to give away - on my visit they would take anything with a Hearts badge/name/colours on it. It's a bit of a status symbol to taunt other Bosnian fans with. 

 

If it's the same stadium then get ready for a shock. It has no facilities (all fans share one set of toilets , from memory)  - fans were allowed to leave the stadium and go to the petrol station across the road at half time to get cold drinks - and it was damn hot. 

 

I was basing it on their recent domestic and European attendances. 1,600 average home attendance in the league last season, they had 2,100 against Gabala in the 2014 Europa League 1st round and 4,000 against Mlada Boleslav in the same round we would be facing them. I can't imagine that figure will be significantly higher. When we faced each other in 2006, it was a higher profile match than it will be this time.

[BM1874]

Purely because I dont particularly want to face siroki again, i hope beat Infonet and get the Maltese team. cant ever get there name right

[Statto]

I've been having a look for things on in Tallinn while we're there. From Thursday 7th until Sunday 10th of July, they have a Medieval festival, the first weekend (Thur-Sun) of July every year. There will be musicians, dancers, a medieval procession in the Old Town, a medieval marketplace at the Town Hall square. I think it's 12-4pm, assuming it's those times every day.

[Statto]

Early weather forecast for Tallinn;

 

Showers on Monday 4th, rain Tuesday morning, showers throughout the day, 'mostly sunny' on matchday and then increasing amounts of clouds as the week goes on. Temperature ranges from 21-24 during the day, 11-16 at night.

[The Continental Op]

I've been having a look for things on in Tallinn while we're there. From Thursday 7th until Sunday 10th of July, they have a Medieval festival, the first weekend (Thur-Sun) of July every year. There will be musicians, dancers, a medieval procession in the Old Town, a medieval marketplace at the Town Hall square. I think it's 12-4pm, assuming it's those times every day.

Brilliant - I'm there Wed-Sat!

[Gorgie_Rules]

For tonights Champions League games do the losers of the ties drop into Europea League 3rd qualifying round?

 

If so we want as many seeded teams as possible to win in order to make the potential 3rd round draw look a bit easier?

[Heartsmad1874]

For tonights Champions League games do the losers of the ties drop into Europea League 3rd qualifying round?

 

If so we want as many seeded teams as possible to win in order to make the potential 3rd round draw look a bit easier?

They don't mate only Third Round and Play off round losers do.

 

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[West Jambo]

Finally Europa League is back! Love watching even the other scores come in.

Trnava of Slovakia already one down to Armenians looking to go through as unseeded team for second time.

Can't wait til or game tonight.

[Hearts007]

first result in from Europa League Shirak FC 1 - 1 Spartak Trnava

[West Jambo]

Some result for St Pats if can hang on for last couple mins away to Dinamo Minsk

1-1 just now

[Walrus]

[Hearts007]

Kairat Almaty 1 - 1 M'bi Tel-Aviv

[West Jambo]

Arshavin and Benayoun the scorers!

[TyphoonJambo]

Who was it that had the inside knowledge that Zanatta was starting?

[CJGJ]

Levadia Tallinn win 3-1 against Slavia Prague

 

Perhaps we didn't do too bad in the last round

 

 

Maccabi Haifi 1-1 at home against an Estonian side and they are a seeded side for round 3

 

Minsk drew 1-1 with St Patricks at home and again are a seeded side in round 3

[Hearts007]

BK H?cken 0 - 1 Cork City latest

[West Jambo]

Some unusual scores all over the shop. Seeds struggling a bit. Cork 1 up away in Sweden and a man up too!

[RobNox]

Some unusual scores all over the shop. Seeds struggling a bit. Cork 1 up away in Sweden and a man up too!

No surprises at Easter Road

[Stuart McNeill]

Wrong thread

[The Great Khali]

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[CJGJ]

Aberdeen go 1-0 up

 

edit 2-0 Rooney

[CJGJ]

3-0 and a debut goal for Wes Burns just signed on loan from Bristol City

[jambojnr]

Anyone know list of possible teams ourselves and Birkikara could draw tomorrow for 3rd round?

[Ferryjambo99]

Out of the 11 possible ties from the 2nd round only 3 seeded teams won, 7 drew and one lost. So with luck we could get an unseeded team from our round if we get through

[HeartOfWestLothian]

Out of the 11 possible ties from the 2nd round only 3 seeded teams won, 7 drew and one lost. So with luck we could get an unseeded team from our round if we get through

St. Patrick's hopefully!

[Statto]

Updated coefficient for 2016/17;

 

Hearts - 0.725

 

0.500 minimum if we exit in this round.

+

0.225 from Scottish teams results so far;

 

1/4 of 20% (5%) of total points - Hearts (2W1D) 2.5pts, Aberdeen (2W) 2pts Celtic and Hibs 0pts

= 5% of 4.5pts = 0.225pts

 

We can earn a further 0.500 points if we qualify for the 3rd qualifying round.

 

We also add 0.050 points for every Scottish club win and 0.025 points for every draw.

 

 

Our overall coefficient, which will contribute to our seedings for the 2017/18 season is down from 6.460 to 5.135.

 

 

This weeks fixtures;

 

Wed 20th July

 

19:45 Celtic v Lincoln Red Imps (agg 0-1)

 

Thu 21st July

 

16:00 Ventspils v Aberdeen (agg 0-3)

19:00 Brondby v Hibernian (agg 1-0)

20:00 Hearts v Birkirkara (agg 0-0)

 

 

Prediction;

 

Celtic 4-0 win

Aberdeen 1-1 draw

Hibs 0-3 loss

Hearts 3-1 win

 

 

If we go through and Scotland's other 3 produce a win, a draw and a loss between them, our overall coefficient will be up to 5.760.

[Gorgie_Rules]

So looking like if we qualify next year and make it to third round we will be unseeded again. Appreciate it is difficult to predict, but if Scottish clubs were to start performing better in Europe, how many years do you think it would take for us to push into the top 15 nations and have a chance at being seeded in the third round?

 

Whilst Malta was a brilliant trip (as I have heard Estonia was), it is a bit disappointing to think we play all season just for a few games against minnows in mid-summer with no realistic chance of ever making the groups.

[Riddley Walker]

You're a top man Statto. This thread has been brilliant.

[JamboJen]

Good read Statto, nice to have a bit of information behind the coefficient chat.