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Does anyone know if UA is alright? He must be raging.

 

 

Probably too busy demanding  a recount, burning a Trump effigy and calling America racist.

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So the USA is not a grown up country afterall. They didn't want a woman, especially THAT woman in the Whitehouse.

Well let Donald get on with it now.

I think the gender was irrelevant.

They have had enough of being ruled by essentially unelected dynasties- kennedys, Bushes, Clintons.

If Michelle Obama runs she will lose too

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Well, Trump won fair and square, so now we just have to wait and see what happens.

 

I think the changes that he will make, with a compliant Congress, will eliminate the Affordable Care Act, will curtail any effort to combat climate change, will appoint right wing judges to the Supreme Court, will put additional constraints on women's rights to have an abortion, and will adopt a more aggressive stance in foreign affairs.

 

He will not be able to "drain the swamp" in Washington, he will not be able to build a wall along the Mexican border, he will not be able to deport millions of illegal aliens, and he will not be able to bring back millions of American jobs from oversees.

 

He has a virtual free hand for the next four years.  Let's see if he turn rhetoric into reality.

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Anyway, I thought Trump was a puppet to allow Clinton to win and she was performing occult rituals to ensure it happened?

 

What would you know about occult rituals..  :laugh4:

 

Podesta though, :whistling: partial to partaking in what  is known as "occult" spiritual cooking" gatherings. :laugh4:

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It may be about time that we lose this romanticised notion that the white working class are somehow egalitarian, welcoming and socialist.

 

If Brexit and the USA have shown us anything its that the working class are if anything xenophobic, self interested and right wing.

 

its a generalisation , its true, but the endless portrayal of the middle classes as the right wing NIMBY's has been well and truly shot to bits now

Only someone who had never encountered the white (or indeed any other colour) working class could ever have had such a romanticised notion. They are strangely enough just people. People who are entitled to vote in what they believe is their interest, just like everyone else. Even if it offends their "betters".
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Unseen footage of Obama as the news reaches him that Trump had won..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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What would you know about occult rituals..  :laugh4:

 

Podesta though, :whistling: partial to partaking in what  is known as "occult" spiritual cooking" gatherings. :laugh4:

 

I know that it makes you extremely gullible, at best, to believe that these guys perform satanic rituals with the preservation of the NWO in mind. Am i wrong?

 

To take that Podesta email as proof shows limited thinking. It was either linked to something else or a piss-take out of guys like you who believe it.

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It's an honour to know how many have copy and pasted my posts, and kept in the hopper for nine months.

 

Clearly, my supremely-confident prediction turned out to be complete bollocks.

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You just described affirmative action JF, that is never good. To suggest she never got in purely due to her sex is poor show.

Why? It played a big part in why she didn't get in. A lot of Americans didn't vote for her because she is a woman. A lot of them couldn't see her as their commander in chief of their armed forces. I am convinced that if the Democrats had put up a make candidate. Trump would have got trumped. Her sex sadly imo played a big part in how alot of Americans voted.

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Why? It played a big part in why she didn't get in. A lot of Americans didn't vote for her because she is a woman. A lot of them couldn't see her as their commander in chief of their armed forces. I am convinced that if the Democrats had put up a make candidate. Trump would have got trumped. Her sex sadly imo played a big part in how alot of Americans voted.

I don't think so, I think the attempts to say that the failure was gender based, instead of all the corruption, lies, deception, financial impropriety and so on is, well, sexist.

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Only someone who had never encountered the white (or indeed any other colour) working class could ever have had such a romanticised notion. They are strangely enough just people. People who are entitled to vote in what they believe is their interest, just like everyone else. Even if it offends their "betters".

I would have said. Even if it offends those who believe they are their betters.

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Why? It played a big part in why she didn't get in. A lot of Americans didn't vote for her because she is a woman. A lot of them couldn't see her as their commander in chief of their armed forces. I am convinced that if the Democrats had put up a make candidate. Trump would have got trumped. Her sex sadly imo played a big part in how alot of Americans voted.

 

I imagine more people voted for clinton because she was a woman than didn't.

 

I imagine more people voted for Clinton because she was a woman than didn't.  Trump won as he fits the feeling of the world right now.  Clinton was much of a muchness.  I don't think people are really grasping how pissed off people are right now about Islamisation, political correctness, social justice warriors and the entire progressive left.  It is so in your face as they are literally bulldozing their way into all our lives.

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I imagine more people voted for Clinton because she was a woman than didn't.  Trump won as he fits the feeling of the world right now.  Clinton was much of a muchness.  I don't think people are really grasping how pissed off people are right now about Islamisation, political correctness, social justice warriors and the entire progressive left.  It is so in your face as they are literally bulldozing their way into all our lives.

Exactly

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I imagine more people voted for Clinton because she was a woman than didn't. Trump won as he fits the feeling of the world right now. Clinton was much of a muchness. I don't think people are really grasping how pissed off people are right now about Islamisation, political correctness, social justice warriors and the entire progressive left. It is so in your face as they are literally bulldozing their way into all our lives.

This. But there are none so blind as those who cannot see

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What's your definition of "political correctness" and the "progressive left"?

 

See, to me it means equality for minorities and I don't see anything wrong with that. If it's something different in your mind I'd be curious to know what it is.

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I imagine more people voted for Clinton because she was a woman than didn't.  Trump won as he fits the feeling of the world right now.  Clinton was much of a muchness.  I don't think people are really grasping how pissed off people are right now about Islamisation, political correctness, social justice warriors and the entire progressive left.  It is so in your face as they are literally bulldozing their way into all our lives.

I agree with you that the gender question works both ways.  She got votes and lost votes because she is a woman.

 

My reading on the results was that people were willing to overlook all of Trump's flaws, and there are many, because they liked his central message, namely that the current system isn't working for ordinary people and he knows how to fix it.

 

Personally, I think what he said was empty rhetoric but I, along with many others, have been wrong about him all along, so maybe he will be able to deliver the goods.  We'll see in the next four years.

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I agree with you that the gender question works both ways. She got votes and lost votes because she is a woman.

 

My reading on the results was that people were willing to overlook all of Trump's flaws, and there are many, because they liked his central message, namely that the current system isn't working for ordinary people and he knows how to fix it.

 

Personally, I think what he said was empty rhetoric but I, along with many others, have been wrong about him all along, so maybe he will be able to deliver the goods. We'll see in the next four years.

Good post. I understand the sentiment that lead to people abandoning candidates seen as mainstream politicians. I'm just absolutely dumbfounded that the working class see Donald ****ing Trump as someone who is a champion of their interests.

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I agree with you that the gender question works both ways.  She got votes and lost votes because she is a woman.

 

My reading on the results was that people were willing to overlook all of Trump's flaws, and there are many, because they liked his central message, namely that the current system isn't working for ordinary people and he knows how to fix it.

 

Personally, I think what he said was empty rhetoric but I, along with many others, have been wrong about him all along, so maybe he will be able to deliver the goods.  We'll see in the next four years.

In my view the swing to the right that is being seen everywhere, and will continue, is a "enough is enough" protest vote against ineffectual Liberalism.   I often heard the "I'm voting for Trump because he is the lesser of two evils" statement.     Same goes for Farage and Brexit.

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It's an honour to know how many have copy and pasted my posts, and kept in the hopper for nine months.

 

Clearly, my supremely-confident prediction turned out to be complete bollocks.

Don't let them get to you. At the end of the day we're all Hearts supporters. Everyone on here has had my Suso moment.
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Good post. I understand the sentiment that lead to people abandoning candidates seen as mainstream politicians. I'm just absolutely dumbfounded that the working class see Donald ******* Trump as someone who is a champion of their interests.

They don't - but the need to protest took precedence.

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What's your definition of "political correctness" and the "progressive left"?

 

See, to me it means equality for minorities and I don't see anything wrong with that. If it's something different in your mind I'd be curious to know what it is.

 

 

I could throw it back at you and say what is your definition of ?equality?? Shariah law? People getting paid the same for doing half the work? People getting paid for doing no work! People having children they know they can?t afford? People allowed to say anything they want about me as it is their religious right but I can?t say anything about them as it is racist? A company saying that they want to recruit 80% more women to top jobs by a certain year (not recruiting on merit). Is equality having the same rights as a piece of no good shit that has no respect for any hum or laws?  Is equality being forced to pay someone more money you can?t afford to do a complete menial job?  A job that they ended up doing as they didn?t stick in at (free) school and took many wrong turns.  Is equality busting your gut and striving every second of life to end up paying a big massive chunk of your salary* to a whole bunch of people you don?t know or care for because they can?t be arsed working?

 

 

*please note I love the welfare system and love the fact many people who have been dealt a tough hand are helped.

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What's your definition of "political correctness" and the "progressive left"?

 

See, to me it means equality for minorities and I don't see anything wrong with that. If it's something different in your mind I'd be curious to know what it is.

 

Equality for everyone no?

 

Positive discrimination is discrimination just the same. Sick of people even mentioning race, it shouldn't even be a thing and yet every day you see people demanding that a certain quota of black people or people of a certain religion are employed by a company or put on a poster or actors in an advert or put in a film based in medieval Europe.

 

You are scorned for daring to insult Islam when in truth I really don't have time for any sort of mythological stories that people take seriously and harm and take lives as a result, Christianity included. Islam gets special treatment though.

 

Cynics will predictably accuse me of racism which is far from the truth and ironically what I accuse the positive discriminators of. One human Race in my opinion and in this day and age religion should have no bearing on law or society.

 

I really believe that a massive chunk of Americans voted for Obama because he is black (mixed race), it should be the right man for the job (which arguably he may have been!) but it shouldn't be a reason.

 

I feel sorry for some of the police in America, yes there are a few racist nutters but every time a black man dies at the hands of the police the media are all over it inciting hatred and ignoring similar. The black lives matter protest at London airport, don't get me started on that.

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What's your definition of "political correctness" and the "progressive left"?

 

See, to me it means equality for minorities and I don't see anything wrong with that. If it's something different in your mind I'd be curious to know what it is.

One simple example is the labelling of people who believe in limits and controls on immigration as racist. On that definition the vast majority of nations are racist.
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I imagine more people voted for Clinton because she was a woman than didn't.  Trump won as he fits the feeling of the world right now.  Clinton was much of a muchness.  I don't think people are really grasping how pissed off people are right now about Islamisation, political correctness, social justice warriors and the entire progressive left.  It is so in your face as they are literally bulldozing their way into all our lives.

 

Spot on. Whether people like it or not, these are very real concerns of a huge percentage of our country and it is the inability of politicians to even acknowledge their concerns, let alone listen, that led directly to Brexit and led directly to Trump.

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Equality for everyone no?

 

Positive discrimination is discrimination just the same. Sick of people even mentioning race, it shouldn't even be a thing and yet every day you see people demanding that a certain quota of black people or people of a certain religion are employed by a company or put on a poster or actors in an advert or put in a film based in medieval Europe.

 

You are scorned for daring to insult Islam when in truth I really don't have time for any sort of mythological stories that people take seriously and harm and take lives as a result, Christianity included. Islam gets special treatment though.

 

Cynics will predictably accuse me of racism which is far from the truth and ironically what I accuse the positive discriminators of. One human Race in my opinion and in this day and age religion should have no bearing on law or society.

 

I really believe that a massive chunk of Americans voted for Obama because he is black (mixed race), it should be the right man for the job (which arguably he may have been!) but it shouldn't be a reason.

 

I feel sorry for some of the police in America, yes there are a few racist nutters but every time a black man dies at the hands of the police the media are all over it inciting hatred and ignoring similar. The black lives matter protest at London airport, don't get me started on that.

 

It is getting ridiculous.  They are so desperate to mention race and play their card.  A white guy fights a white guy = fight. A white guy fights a guy that just happens to be black  = racist attack. 

 

 

Policemen shoot and kill a white guy = police shooting, policemen shoot a guy that just happens to be black = mass race riots.

 

 

I'm honestly done with it all. I?m sick of ****ing hearing about someone?s sex, sexuality, race, age or religion. To me I dislike most people anyway and I care more about what every single poster on here had for breakfast last Tuesday than of someone?s skin colour, sex etc.  I just couldn?t give a shit.

 

 

This whole LGBT is wearing real thin with me too now.  I just don?t care that you are gay, seriously, I just couldn?t care.  Sometimes I?m actually envious as they don?t put up with birds grief 24/7 and they get sex on tap but I just don?t care.  Why celebrate everything as a gay event ? I just don?t get it and I don?t care.

 

 

Everyone is a ****ing minority of some sort nowadays ? I?m done!

 

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Spot on. Whether people like it or not, these are very real concerns of a huge percentage of our country and it is the inability of politicians to even acknowledge their concerns, let alone listen, that led directly to Brexit and led directly to Trump.

Viola. Beware the silent majority

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Can someone explain why we're still waiting for New Hampshire, Michigan and Arizona's Electoral College votes to be declared?

Or is it just that the BBC haven't got their map properly updated?

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No idea how the word 'progressive' can be used as a negative, it's basically just equality for all.

 

Trump's power will be fairly limited I reckon. He'll pass the things your general Republican believes in such as anti-abortion laws, LGBT rights will be stripped back, Obama Care gone etc but some of his other ideas won't see the light of day as they aren't traditional Republican views such as the touted trade tarrifs etc. The Republican House and senate will keep him in check, as will the Military advisors and Intelligence Agencies. America is operated by so much more than its president.

 

I feel sorry for women who won't have the right to choose over their own bodies or the LGBT community who won't have the same rights as everyone else mainly based on the archaic beliefs of the religious right.

 

The folk protesting are dicks as well though. He won, it's either democracy or it isn't.

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Spot on. Whether people like it or not, these are very real concerns of a huge percentage of our country and it is the inability of politicians to even acknowledge their concerns, let alone listen, that led directly to Brexit and led directly to Trump.

 

Yup Trump is a product of the moment - of that no-one be in any doubt.  

 

Clinton is a say what people want to hear politician. Like Merkel, Holland, Sturgeon, Corbyn etc.  Trump says what people are actually thinking and not saying what is safe to say.

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Would love to say im amazed by the rabbits in the headlight response by the msm in past few days but the fact BBC have continued with their liberal chattering class echo chamber sums up why they all got it so wrong.

 

Anyone who has vaguely followed this for past ten years knows there is a straight line from Ron Paul, The Tea Party, Michelle Bachmann, Palin, Andrew Breitbart (and his news site) and Steve Bannon to where we are today. They have basically defeated the two juggernaut parties, a political dynasty, the legacy of a loved president, a nauseating smug Hollywood class and an entire msm system with a budget a tenth of their rival. It is utterly unprecendented. Yet cos the same media have sneered at them and refused to acknowledge, they wouldn't even know where to begin piecing the story of the movement together.

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Today's example. Farage is getting it in the neck for referring to Obama as "that creature Obama .- a loathsome individual", with Gary Lineker joining in accusations of racism from all the offended people.

 

Now I think the description actually suits Farage rather than Obama but people have called Farage that and worse without being accused of racism.

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No idea how the word 'progressive' can be used as a negative, it's basically just equality for all.

 

Trump's power will be fairly limited I reckon. He'll pass the things your general Republican believes in such as anti-abortion laws, LGBT rights will be stripped back, Obama Care gone etc but some of his other ideas won't see the light of day as they aren't traditional Republican views such as the touted trade tarrifs etc. The Republican House and senate will keep him in check, as will the Military advisors and Intelligence Agencies. America is operated by so much more than its president.

 

I feel sorry for women who won't have the right to choose over their own bodies or the LGBT community who won't have the same rights as everyone else mainly based on the archaic beliefs of the religious right.

 

The folk protesting are dicks as well though. He won, it's either democracy or it isn't.

 

 

It is the absolute opposite of equality for all. What is equal about affirmative action?

 

What is equal about saying by 2020 we want our boardroom to consist of more gays, blacks and women? what is equal about that?  Equality is people getting recruited on ability.  Maybe Iam just weird.

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It is getting ridiculous. They are so desperate to mention race and play their card. A white guy fights a white guy = fight. A white guy fights a guy that just happens to be black = racist attack.

Policemen shoot and kill a white guy = police shooting, policemen shoot a guy that just happens to be black = mass race riots.

I'm honestly done with it all. I?m sick of ******* hearing about someone?s sex, sexuality, race, age or religion. To me I dislike most people anyway and I care more about what every single poster on here had for breakfast last Tuesday than of someone?s skin colour, sex etc. I just couldn?t give a shit.

This whole LGBT is wearing real thin with me too now. I just don?t care that you are gay, seriously, I just couldn?t care. Sometimes I?m actually envious as they don?t put up with birds grief 24/7 and they get sex on tap but I just don?t care. Why celebrate everything as a gay event ? I just don?t get it and I don?t care.

Everyone is a ******* minority of some sort nowadays ? I?m done!

You might not care about someone's sexuality but plenty people do, plenty people don't think they should be allowed to marry because of religion. It doesn't affect you but the world's bigger than your insulated wee space.

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Florida (29 Electoral College votes):

Trump 49.1%

Clinton 48.7%
Johnson 2.2%

 

Pennsylvania (20 Electoral College votes):

Trump 48.8%
Clinton 47.6%

Johnson 2.4%

 

Michigan (18 Electoral College votes):

Trump 47.6%

Clinton 47.3%

Johnson 3.6%

 

Wisconsin (10 Electoral College votes)

Trump 47.9%
Clinton 46.9%

Johnson 3.6%

 

If all the Libertarian Johnson voters had voted Clinton, she'd have gotten 305 College Votes to Trump's 202.

 

Wasted Libertarian votes got Donald into the white house. Ironic.

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Today's example. Farage is getting it in the neck for referring to Obama as "that creature Obama .- a loathsome individual", with Gary Lineker joining in accusations of racism from all the offended people.

 

Now I think the description actually suits Farage rather than Obama but people have called Farage that and worse without being accused of racism.

 

 

Yup to call Farage any name under the sun is fair game, as soon as he dares to do the same to someone else he is a bigot, racist or sexist pig.

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You might not care about someone's sexuality but plenty people do, plenty people don't think they should be allowed to marry because of religion. It doesn't affect you but the world's bigger than your insulated wee space.

 

 

I go with Rod Stewart on gay marriage. Why should straight people be the only miserable ones.

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It is the absolute opposite of equality for all. What is equal about affirmative action?

 

What is equal about saying by 2020 we want our boardroom to consist of more gays, blacks and women? what is equal about that? Equality is people getting recruited on ability. Maybe Iam just weird.

No idea. That's not my interpretation of progressive though. I don't believe someone should get hired because of colour, sexuality or anything else, positively or negatively. Edited by AlphonseCapone
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Let's see who he surrounds himself with. He is now threw the looking glass and there are many ways to tell if he is for real or not ( taking power away from those that have covertly taken it)

 

It would be imposable for him to change what needs to be changed if it was not for the revolt against corruption from within (that is for real)

 

For the MSM watchers that think they can gleam the truth from doing so, think again. Others that have made the effort to look and taken dogs abuse for it, stay strong and don't keep it to yourself. As for the trolls and the easily led that jump on the bandwagon, Contempt does not cover it.

 

Anyone for a party? Plenty hotdogs and hamburgers to go around but the pizza is a bit pricey.   

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Let's see who he surrounds himself with. He is now threw the looking glass and there are many ways to tell if he is for real or not ( taking power away from those that have covertly taken it)

 

It would be imposable for him to change what needs to be changed if it was not for the revolt against corruption from within (that is for real)

 

For the MSM watchers that think they can gleam the truth from doing so, think again. Others that have made the effort to look and taken dogs abuse for it, stay strong and don't keep it to yourself. As for the trolls and the easily led that jump on the bandwagon, Contempt does not cover it.

 

Anyone for a party? Plenty hotdogs and hamburgers to go around but the pizza is a bit pricey.

Can't believe you've got the brass neck to show up after being humilated a few days ago.

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Yup Trump is a product of the moment - of that no-one be in any doubt.  

 

Clinton is a say what people want to hear politician. Like Merkel, Holland, Sturgeon, Corbyn etc.  Trump says what people are actually thinking and not saying what is safe to say.

 

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of people that go beyond 'concern' and are simply racist (or sectarian, in our world), but that is down to ignorance and a lack of education and anyone sneering at these people just come across like Tory Toffs sneering at the silly peasants.

 

The left have ignored the very people it is supposed to represent, in pursuit of a positive tweet from the likes of Benedict Cumberbatch and Lily Allen.

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It is the absolute opposite of equality for all. What is equal about affirmative action?

 

What is equal about saying by 2020 we want our boardroom to consist of more gays, blacks and women? what is equal about that? Equality is people getting recruited on ability. Maybe Iam just weird.

Affirmative action is the exact opposite of equality. It is racism and sexism in its worst form. I prefer equality through merit.

 

Cue me being called a racist.

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No idea. That's not my interpretation of progressive though. I don't believe someone should get hired because of colour, sexuality or anything else, postively or negatively.

 

 

The SNP who have "progressive politics" in every piece of rhetoric they do are all out for this. And as for the BBC holy shit you have to actually be of some kind of ethnic description now to be even employed by them.  Being straight, white and having  apenis between your legs nowadays is actually a major hurdle.

 

I have had to stop watching the TV. Honestly every night each channel are desperate to fill their quota of 'progressive' programs. My transgender this, black this, Islamic this, battered women this.  It is relentless. There is even constant programs on about benefit cases and gypsies. Now obviously the way TV was in the 1970s was a horrendous state of play but we have progressed so far now it has done a 180. People can't see but TV is getting as bad as it was in the 70s - just the shoe is on the other foot now.

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Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of people that go beyond 'concern' and are simply racist (or sectarian, in our world), but that is down to ignorance and a lack of education and anyone sneering at these people just come across like Tory Toffs sneering at the silly peasants.

 

The left have ignored the very people it is supposed to represent, in pursuit of a positive tweet from the likes of Benedict Cumberbatch and Lily Allen.

 

Do you know he was doing shakespeare in London or somewhere and he stopped half way through to engage with the audience about Syrian refugees or something.  What an utter prick!! These people pay hard earned money to watch that grade A wank 'act'.

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The SNP who have "progressive politics" in every piece of rhetoric they do are all out for this. And as for the BBC holy shit you have to actually be of some kind of ethnic description now to be even employed by them. Being straight, white and having apenis between your legs nowadays is actually a major hurdle.

 

I have had to stop watching the TV. Honestly every night each channel are desperate to fill their quota of 'progressive' programs. My transgender this, black this, Islamic this, battered women this. It is relentless. There is even constant programs on about benefit cases and gypsies. Now obviously the way TV was in the 1970s was a horrendous state of play but we have progressed so far now it has done a 180. People can't see but TV is getting as bad as it was in the 70s - just the shoe is on the other foot now.

Surprisingly to us both perhaps, I in the main agree. Not about having a penis though, still an advantage in most cases.

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They don't - but the need to protest took precedence.

Not so sure. I reckon many see him as a hero and champion of their interests, not just a protest option.

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Don't let them get to you. At the end of the day we're all Hearts supporters. Everyone on here has had my Suso moment.

Don't worry, not letting any flak on here get to me. It's that vile ***** being elected that's getting to me!

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The SNP who have "progressive politics" in every piece of rhetoric they do are all out for this. And as for the BBC holy shit you have to actually be of some kind of ethnic description now to be even employed by them. Being straight, white and having apenis between your legs nowadays is actually a major hurdle.

 

I have had to stop watching the TV. Honestly every night each channel are desperate to fill their quota of 'progressive' programs. My transgender this, black this, Islamic this, battered women this. It is relentless. There is even constant programs on about benefit cases and gypsies. Now obviously the way TV was in the 1970s was a horrendous state of play but we have progressed so far now it has done a 180. People can't see but TV is getting as bad as it was in the 70s - just the shoe is on the other foot now.

Being a straight white male is hitting the absolute jackpot, no one can sensibly argue with that.

Christ, a rapey WASP with a track record of talking shit and 3500 law suits recorded against him just got voted president!

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