TheMaganator Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Has anyone mentioned that in this latest Scottish poll ybr Tories are up 5(!) points and now only 3 behind Labour, 20-17. Imagine tje Tories being the legitimate opposition party in Scotland. Wow. Not been keeping track of the thread so sorry if ita been covered today. Don't tell Pans Jambo though - he'll be
TheMaganator Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 JKB has always enjoyed an open letter. Here's one from one of Salmond's old school chums http://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/dear_alex_an_open_letter_to_the_former_first_minister_from_an_old_schoolmate
Gorgiewave Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 All parties chase the centre ground. The SNP is no different in that regard. And the Scottish centre is not really much different from the wider UK one. Low tax, high spend, small c conservative thinking on change and especially on crime. People in the UK and Scotland especially don't like radical change. It's why the independence blue print was offering us Little Britain, not New Scotland. It doesn't matter at Holyrood to be in power, if you pull the SNP back to minority, or a combination of parties do, then you make real gains. And with a more astute leadership than Iain Gray and Johanne Lamont in that situation then gains could be made for Labour to champion beyond that. I don't and haven't doubted Labour are in a mess, they have been for years. But I'm not jumping ship to the SNP. I've been tempted to (and have voted) Green however as an alternative. Who is there in Labour of a similar talent to Brown, or to Salmond?
deesidejambo Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 I know a couple of poles ,not long in a strange country with no idea of our culture ,but were allowed to vote? I can't believe this! They will all be up here canvassing pretty soon. Ooops replied to wrong post. Was meant to be the one about Labour getting overtaken by the Tories.
deesidejambo Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 JKB has always enjoyed an open letter. Here's one from one of Salmond's old school chums http://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/dear_alex_an_open_letter_to_the_former_first_minister_from_an_old_schoolmate Told you! Serious tactical voting being pushed in Gordon. Ecks gonna get it in the pus.
deesidejambo Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Who is there in Labour of a similar talent to Brown, or to Salmond? Anne Begg. Honest. tbh I'm surprised she isn't an LD.
deesidejambo Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Good old Sun. I wonder if Katie Hopkins will support this.
deesidejambo Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Sturgeon as Princess Leia with Gordon Brown as Darth Vader?
deesidejambo Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 with Gordon Brown as Darth Vader? And Alex Salmond as Jabba
Ivan Drago Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 just when you thought the sun couldn't get anymore cringeworthy
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 just when you thought the sun couldn't get anymore cringeworthyMurdoch in maximising sales shocker.
deesidejambo Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Fcks sake. How tf can the English Sun say vote Tory to keep the SNP out and the Scottish Sun go with the SNP? What am I missing here ffs.
Victorian Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 I see Dave is still bloomin' well worked up about everything. Very convincing. He's even got his shirt sleeves rolled up. Gideon is rarely seen these days outside of a hi-vis jacket and hard hat. Working class or wut?
deesidejambo Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 I see Dave is still bloomin' well worked up about everything. Very convincing. He's even got his shirt sleeves rolled up. Gideon is rarely seen these days outside of a hi-vis jacket and hard hat. Working class or wut? This showing passion thing seems to work. Gordon Brown did it on the eve of the Indy Ref (although I think he honestly meant it). Cue Milliband and others doing the same. I want to see tears.
Pans Jambo Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Don't tell Pans Jambo though - he'll be Haha. Gladly pay my ?10 if this happens Mags but still think it will be fairly stagnant on the tory vote in Scotland. Yer a knob tho LOL.
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 How tf can the English Sun say vote Tory to keep the SNP out and the Scottish Sun go with the SNP? What am I missing here ffs.Different versions of the paper. This isn't rocket science!
Thunderstruck Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 How tf can the English Sun say vote Tory to keep the SNP out and the Scottish Sun go with the SNP? What am I missing here ffs. Tomorrow Never Dies - Elliot Carver is alive and well. The truth is, indeed, stranger than fiction. Time to send for Commander Bond.
Victorian Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 This showing passion thing seems to work. Gordon Brown did it on the eve of the Indy Ref (although I think he honestly meant it). Cue Milliband and others doing the same. I want to see tears. It's time for Miliband to give another long, hard, scowling stare. Telling us how jolly hard as fok he is. Hell yeah he's hard enough. He'll say it twice though.
CJGJ Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 The Sun has it's now two faced opinion Scottish Sun backs SNP English Sun backs Conservative party stating it is to stop the SNP running the country
deesidejambo Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Different versions of the paper. This isn't rocket science! Yes I know that ya choob. My point is they contradict each other. Unless, wait, I get it. McKenzie wants a Tory Gov't and to achieve that he needs Labour wiped out in Scotland, hence he's planning on a Tory majority or enough for a coalition with the SNP then frozen out in westminster. I get it now.
deesidejambo Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 It's time for Miliband to give another long, hard, scowling stare. Telling us how jolly hard as fok he is. Hell yeah he's hard enough. He'll say it twice though. Get Prescott front and centre.
Thunderstruck Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 JKB has always enjoyed an open letter. Here's one from one of Salmond's old school chums http://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/dear_alex_an_open_letter_to_the_former_first_minister_from_an_old_schoolmate Excellent. Very well put.
deesidejambo Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Yes I know that ya choob. My point is they contradict each other. Unless, wait, I get it. McKenzie wants a Tory Gov't and to achieve that he needs Labour wiped out in Scotland, hence he's planning on a Tory majority or enough for a coalition with the SNP then frozen out in westminster. I get it now. And for interest - does anybody think The Sun has that much influence? I mean to change peoples voting intentions by daft cover pages like that? If so, then Lord help us.
deesidejambo Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Excellent. Very well put. And Gordon was 60/40 No in the referendum, so with a wave of tactical votes, he's gonna get a burst lip. I can't wait.
Craig Gordons Gloves Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 And for interest - does anybody think The Sun has that much influence? I mean to change peoples voting intentions by daft cover pages like that? If so, then Lord help us. Sadly - yes. It's why the politicians pander to Murdoch. They know that the Sun has an influence over a couple of million people - who may be in marginal seats - it's unfortunate, but it's true - especially in the SE of England. The incredible contradiction on these 2 front pages however, tells us all that we need to know.
Don Draper Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Different versions of the paper. This isn't rocket science! It's still the same paper at the end of the day, Geoff. You've got to admit that those two diametrically opposed front pages are a bit...odd.
Boab Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 JKB has always enjoyed an open letter. Here's one from one of Salmond's old school chums http://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/dear_alex_an_open_letter_to_the_former_first_minister_from_an_old_schoolmate Advocating tactical voting as his own mob have the square root of **** all chance of doing anything in Scotland...and never will. If he had any balls he would vote for what he believes in. Comes across as an arsehole. Next...!
deesidejambo Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Sadly - yes. It's why the politicians pander to Murdoch. They know that the Sun has an influence over a couple of million people - who may be in marginal seats - it's unfortunate, but it's true - especially in the SE of England. The incredible contradiction on these 2 front pages however, tells us all that we need to know. Its not a contradiction - its a tactic to deliver a Tory Gov't. Get Labour wiped out in Scotland and pick up enough seats in England to get them over the line. The Tories will only get 1-2 seat amax in Scotland anyway so its a reasonable tactic to just go after Labour there. I still can't believe folk would be stupid enough to change their vote just because The Sun told them to. On th either hand, th folk that read the Sun are, well I'd better not say. Katie Hopkins for pm anyone?
freddiemac Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 And for interest - does anybody think The Sun has that much influence? I mean to change peoples voting intentions by daft cover pages like that? If so, then Lord help us.make no mistake the sun is by far the biggest read newspaper in uk.you wouldn't normally link it with the Tories but I remember years ago Kinnock was the Labour leader at the time .on election day the sun went with the front page headline "if Kinnock wins today last man out put the lights out" it turned out Tories narrowly won.
Gorgiewave Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 If and when there's a Rupert Murdoch RIP thread, I won't be signing it.
deesidejambo Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Advocating tactical voting as his own mob have the square root of **** all chance of doing anything in Scotland...and never will. If he had any balls he would vote for what he believes in. Comes across as an arsehole. Next...! I don't see anything wrong with tactical voting. You should vote on the particular issues that matter most to you, not whatever party you like. If fear of Independence is your biggest issue, then your vote should reflect that, hence a "vote against" someone who advocates the thing you fear most is legitimate. Interesting though, as the other candidate is an LD, its "safe" for Tories to vote tactically there. That aint the case most other places as its Labour who are the challenger, so Tories will be pushing for selective tactical voting! What a palaver.
freddiemac Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 JKB has always enjoyed an open letter. Here's one from one of Salmond's old school chums http://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/dear_alex_an_open_letter_to_the_former_first_minister_from_an_old_schoolmate read this earlier today great article professionally written
deesidejambo Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 make no mistake the sun is by far the biggest read newspaper in uk.you wouldn't normally link it with the Tories but I remember years ago Kinnock was the Labour leader at the time .on election day the sun went with the front page headline "if Kinnock wins today last man out put the lights out" it turned out Tories narrowly won. I have to watch my words or I'll get the usual flaming, but if people are so brainless, that they vote on whatever party The Sun tells them to, then bollocks to it.
Gorgiewave Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 As more and more people get their news online... The more voices are being heard, the more the say the same. A herd of independent minds.
TheMaganator Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 People of JKB. Spare 2.12 mins to listen to the SNP candidate for Rutherglen & Hamilton explain full fiscal responsibility https://audioboom.com/boos/3133904-snp-s-margaret-ferrier-on-full-fiscal-autonomy-for-scotland It is looking likely that this candidate will be an MP shortly. One of the minds to control and lead the country. This is what Scotland is offering up to represent one of her constituencies.
Don Draper Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 I have to watch my words or I'll get the usual flaming, but if people are so brainless, that they vote on whatever party The Sun tells them to, then bollocks to it. But...why would you get flamed? Who the hell on here is going to disagree with your statement?
ToadKiller Dog Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 I think way to much credence is given to the Suns light out front page , polling at the time shows labours support in 1992 was behind the Tory party even before Kinnocks mental case performance at Sheffield a week before the election . All the Scum newspaper did was jump on the public mood of the day z
freddiemac Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 People of JKB. Spare 2.12 mins to listen to the SNP candidate for Rutherglen & Hamilton explain full fiscal responsibility https://audioboom.com/boos/3133904-snp-s-margaret-ferrier-on-full-fiscal-autonomy-for-scotland It is looking likely that this candidate will be an MP shortly. One of the minds to control and lead the country. This is what Scotland is offering up to represent one of her constituencies. that is seriously frightening .scotland is in deep trouble if this the type of mp we are selecting.deep trouble.only last night sturgeon told Bernard ponsonby she wanted 7 years to transfer to full fiscal responsibility as snp now call it.
GBJambo Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 that is seriously frightening .scotland is in deep trouble if this the type of mp we are selecting.deep trouble.only last night sturgeon told Bernard ponsonby she wanted 7 years to transfer to full fiscal responsibility as snp now call it. Indeed. And yet independence could be delivered in 18 months. Madness
TheMaganator Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 that is seriously frightening .scotland is in deep trouble if this the type of mp we are selecting.deep trouble.only last night sturgeon told Bernard ponsonby she wanted 7 years to transfer to full fiscal responsibility as snp now call it.Yup. It's not even funny anymore. It's fecking embarrassing. I'm starting to think that Sturgeon was correct in banning these bampots from thinking for themselves.
Guest Trapper John Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 that is seriously frightening .scotland is in deep trouble if this the type of mp we are selecting.deep trouble.only last night sturgeon told Bernard ponsonby she wanted 7 years to transfer to full fiscal responsibility as snp now call it. Looks like (half of) Scotland is about to perform it's greatest act of self-destruction since Darien (if you believe the Polls). Then they'll blame it all on Westminster afterwards of course....
freddiemac Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Looks like (half of) Scotland is about to perform it's greatest act of self-destruction since Darien (if you believe the Polls). Then they'll blame it all on Westminster afterwards of course.... I keep getting asked why so many people are voting for snp .I haven't a clue .when you look how responsible adults voted for an impossible utopia in Greece then maybe you get an idea what is happening in scotland.
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 It's still the same paper at the end of the day, Geoff. You've got to admit that those two diametrically opposed front pages are a bit...odd.Of course but the Sun has done this many times before. In fact, it first came out for the SNP back in 1989, I believe.
Gorgiewave Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 People of JKB. Spare 2.12 mins to listen to the SNP candidate for Rutherglen & Hamilton explain full fiscal responsibility https://audioboom.com/boos/3133904-snp-s-margaret-ferrier-on-full-fiscal-autonomy-for-scotland It is looking likely that this candidate will be an MP shortly. One of the minds to control and lead the country. This is what Scotland is offering up to represent one of her constituencies. The kind of thing that makes me glad I get my news online... Absolutely appalling. "Full Fiscal Autonomy" means Scotland raises and spends all its own taxes. That's what it means. No more Barnett Formula. She is an embarrassment to herself.
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