Kinkster Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 I just think you will be throwing good money onto bad. I couold easily afford quite a few shares but am out. If/When Vlad pulls the plug, he will ne laughing at the 1.75 million he squeezed out of the fans. I think we should call his bluff and see what develops. If we go down the Rangers route then so be it. I think we should save our money for the fight aterwards. Agree. Wait for the hobo jibes in a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Agree. Wait for the hobo jibes in a bit. Hobo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinkster Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Hobo Ah, in the style of the great aussie comedians; Barry Humphries, Mitchell Johnston........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 I just think you will be throwing good money onto bad. I couold easily afford quite a few shares but am out. If/When Vlad pulls the plug, he will ne laughing at the 1.75 million he squeezed out of the fans. I think we should call his bluff and see what develops. If we go down the Rangers route then so be it. I think we should save our money for the fight aterwards. 'cept that's not really how it works. I'll find money now and then I'll find it again in future if I need to. I reckon lots of people will feel the same way. It's maybe not the most sensible financial decision I'll ever make but it makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than most other things. If it even helps a little bit then I'll happily do what I can. It doesn't have to be an either, or. It can be both. I'll be donating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groot Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Will the admins be using the shares JKB members buy in order to lobby the club without consulting them again? If so count me out. What was this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tams bird Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 If you are shiting it as much as your posts suggest, what happens if we raise ?1.75m and your worst case scenario still comes to fruition? Then its only cost you ?110.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Then its only cost you ?110.... Quite. ?110 that could have been used more effectively elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Ah, in the style of the great aussie comedians; Barry Humphries, Mitchell Johnston........ I would hate to disabuse your prejudice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Quite. ?110 that could have been used more effectively elsewhere. Thing is, if we wait and hog our pennies, in months to come there might be nowhere to send it. For the sake of ?110, that's not a risk I'm happy to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Thing is, if we wait and hog our pennies, in months to come there might be nowhere to send it. For the sake of ?110, that's not a risk I'm happy to take. That's fair enough. I just can't believe we aren't demanding more in return for ponying up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 That's fair enough. I just can't believe we aren't demanding more in return for ponying up. That's another discussion though, isn't it? I'm going to drop this now, same debate going on in other threads. We're going off-topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 That's fair enough. I just can't believe we aren't demanding more in return for ponying up. What is this "more" that you want Geoff? Either put something in, with the full knowledge that you are getting nothing in return, except maybe, just maybe still having a team to support...You can "donate" via JKB or do it on your own. If you aren't going to that's fine but we have been given a route by the Club to hopefullly help the club survive...we are not investing in a FTSE100 company so spare us the dramatics. You're in or out..... Edited: perhaps too smartarsed at the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 What is this "more" that you want Geoff? Either put something in, with the full knowledge that you are getting nothing in return, except maybe, just maybe still having a team to support...You can "donate" via JKB or do it on your own. If you aren't going to that's fine but we have been given a route by the Club to hopefullly help the club survive...we are not investing in a FTSE100 company so spare us the dramatics. You're in or out..... Edited: perhaps too smartarsed at the end I am talking about how the club is run. I want a team to support as much as anyone else but the point is that Vlad is now quite categorically stating we are not his plaything anymore. Therefore, that should change the structure of decision making at the club. For 10% of the club, therefore, there should be a fans' representative on the board. As for money, I will donate something to the JKB fund. I could buy the full whack of 1,000 shares but I am not going to do so because we are acting like panicking headless chickens rather than thinking rationally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the windae cleaner Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Buying my own but will chuck a few quid in on Friday. Makes you think though at the money we raised for a flag and streamers yet some on here won't put in a few pound to save the club ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 I am talking about how the club is run. I want a team to support as much as anyone else but the point is that Vlad is now quite categorically stating we are not his plaything anymore. Therefore, that should change the structure of decision making at the club. For 10% of the club, therefore, there should be a fans' representative on the board. As for money, I will donate something to the JKB fund. I could buy the full whack of 1,000 shares but I am not going to do so because we are acting like panicking headless chickens rather than thinking rationally. It's the Club that I support that my brother, dad, grandad & uncles have supported and more importantly the Club my daughter supports and loves (despite her irrational liking for Man U), rational thinking has hee haw to do with it, it's not a rational decision to part with ?11, ?22 or whatever via JKB or the ?110, ?270 + via the Club, you do it because if you don't and we go the way of Thirds, you'll have that on your conscience (well i would). Perhaps your lack* of familial history of supporting the club lets you be more pragmatic *apologies if this is innacurate but I assumed that you were a Man U/some N Irish team supporter until you pitched up in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinkster Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 I would hate to disabuse your prejudice. He posts to the left, he posts to the right. Fair play Geoff, sometimes I agree with you. I merely decry the way this forum has declined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 It's the Club that I support that my brother, dad, grandad & uncles have supported and more importantly the Club my daughter supports and loves (despite her irrational liking for Man U), rational thinking has hee haw to do with it, it's not a rational decision to part with ?11, ?22 or whatever via JKB or the ?110, ?270 + via the Club, you do it because if you don't and we go the way of Thirds, you'll have that on your conscience (well i would). Perhaps your lack* of familial history of supporting the club lets you be more pragmatic *apologies if this is innacurate but I assumed that you were a Man U/some N Irish team supporter until you pitched up in Scotland. Look, I am not opposing an emotional investment at all. All I'm saying is that I think we should be demanding more in the sense that the people you are entrusting with this money do not have any kind of track record of spending it well. THAT'S my point. At the end of this, successful or not, Gareth will still be the club chairman and can spend that money in any way he sees fit. That's my fundamental issue. PS My background to HMFC is irrelevant in this. All I'm saying is we need to calm down first rather than throw things at each other about the need for cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He posts to the left, he posts to the right. Fair play Geoff, sometimes I agree with you. I merely decry the way this forum has declined. When do you think its halcyon days were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Look, I am not opposing an emotional investment at all. All I'm saying is that I think we should be demanding more in the sense that the people you are entrusting with this money do not have any kind of track record of spending it well. THAT'S my point. At the end of this, successful or not, Gareth will still be the club chairman and can spend that money in any way he sees fit. That's my fundamental issue. PS My background to HMFC is irrelevant in this. All I'm saying is we need to calm down first rather than throw things at each other about the need for cash. I hear (see) what you are saying, but, the offer (or whatever you want to call) it is there, we aren't in a position to call shots - you choose to "invest" or not and as I said and I'll repeat it, IF we were to go to the wall and I did nothing, no matter how small, then I would feel that I had let down several generations of my family both past and future...I am also of the opinion that you are more easily able to disregard this element....and in saying that I'm not having a pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinkster Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 When do you think its halcyon days were? When a wide range of people expressed their opinions. I have been branded a Tim and a Hobo recently by one of the gang. I'm excluding you ! It's a forum not a competition. Did you ever go on the Porty Hearts bus in the 80's ? Recognise the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 I hear (see) what you are saying, but, the offer (or whatever you want to call) it is there, we aren't in a position to call shots - you choose to "invest" or not and as I said and I'll repeat it, IF we were to go to the wall and I did nothing, no matter how small, then I would feel that I had let down several generations of my family both past and future...I am also of the opinion that you are more easily able to disregard this element....and in saying that I'm not having a pop. Maybe I am, maybe I'm not but then I don't feel we are about to go to the wall like you are implying. I do believe UBIG have fecked up with bad decision making and cashflow everywhere is poor for that reason. However, if I needed cash I would be disposing assets. Vlad's supposed valuation of the club is hilarious for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 When a wide range of people expressed their opinions. I have been branded a Tim and a Hobo recently by one of the gang. I'm excluding you ! It's a forum not a competition. Did you ever go on the Porty Hearts bus in the 80's ? Recognise the name. Er, no! First time attending Tynie was 1993. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinkster Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Er, no! First time attending Tynie was 1993. Hobo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Might chuck a fiver or two into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Hobo. You're doing it wrong. Hun or Tim were the choices in my case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I'm with Redm on this one, I'm investing my cash out of emotional attachment and what the club means to me rather than anything else. If it all goes breast skywards in the future and I haven't done my bit then I will spend my entire life regretting not doing my bit. If on the other hand I put my cash in and it still goes breast skyward then at least I will know that I tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Look, I am not opposing an emotional investment at all. All I'm saying is that I think we should be demanding more in the sense that the people you are entrusting with this money do not have any kind of track record of spending it well. THAT'S my point. At the end of this, successful or not, Gareth will still be the club chairman and can spend that money in any way he sees fit. That's my fundamental issue. PS My background to HMFC is irrelevant in this. All I'm saying is we need to calm down first rather than throw things at each other about the need for cash. What is it you expect for a 10% holding? That the 90% will roll over? We have squandered a lot of money in the past, few will question that, but, as the debt is broadly the same as when VR came in, one can say it's his own money he has wasted. During that time we have won 2 cups and had some decent times during the bumpy ride but the fact remains we are still here after 7 years, which was not a given at the time. You have put forward several reasons, pointing out the obvious, that it is a poor business investment. You have said you'll put some money in but not the ?110 because of the way the club is run. Either way many people don't give a hoot what you're going to do but whatever it is please just do it and let others make up their own minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 What is it you expect for a 10% holding? That the 90% will roll over? No, of course not, but at least the 10% will have transparency over decision making. We have squandered a lot of money in the past, few will question that, but, as the debt is broadly the same as when VR came in, one can say it's his own money he has wasted. During that time we have won 2 cups and had some decent times during the bumpy ride but the fact remains we are still here after 7 years, which was not a given at the time. Agreed. You have put forward several reasons, pointing out the obvious, that it is a poor business investment. I don't think I ever said anything about the business investment aspect of it but I don't think anyone would say it was a good one anyway. You have said you'll put some money in but not the ?110 because of the way the club is run. Either way many people don't give a hoot what you're going to do but whatever it is please just do it and let others make up their own minds. Fine Al, but for a fine socialist like yourself do you not see the benefits of acting like a collective in this regard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 The debate about whether or not buying shares is a good thing is a debate well worth having. But not here. There are other threads for that purpose. The purpose of this thread is to make members aware of a facility that JKB is putting in place. So please feel free to comment on that, or discuss it, or ask questions about it. But posts debating the HMFC share scheme itself are off topic and will be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 The debate about whether or not buying shares is a good thing is a debate well worth having. But not here. There are other threads for that purpose. The purpose of this thread is to make members aware of a facility that JKB is putting in place. So please feel free to comment on that, or discuss it, or ask questions about it. But posts debating the HMFC share scheme itself are off topic and will be removed. Apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottish_chicP Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Will donate soon. I'm on my phone right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 The debate about whether or not buying shares is a good thing is a debate well worth having. But not here. There are other threads for that purpose. The purpose of this thread is to make members aware of a facility that JKB is putting in place. So please feel free to comment on that, or discuss it, or ask questions about it. But posts debating the HMFC share scheme itself are off topic and will be removed. Hi, my auntie agony aunt...how did you arrive at the selected amounts that can be donated? 11,22,30,40.50 100.200, 500, 1000.. just asking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tams bird Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 It you can afford it and care about the club you will donate. Not for what you will get out of it...I have put in ?110 i want to be chairman ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwaysinourshadows Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I just think you will be throwing good money onto bad. I couold easily afford quite a few shares but am out. If/When Vlad pulls the plug, he will ne laughing at the 1.75 million he squeezed out of the fans. I think we should call his bluff and see what develops. If we go down the Rangers route then so be it. I think we should save our money for the fight aterwards. Hobo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwaysinourshadows Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Are you able to see what the total donations so far are, also how do you set up a PayPal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Are you able to see what the total donations so far are, also how do you set up a PayPal? Google PayPal and follow the online instructions. You will need an email account and a bank account and that is pretty much it. just need to remember your log in details and activate it through your email account when notified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Donation made... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Easy to say you're not investing when you live on the other side of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scallywag Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Just made a donation, great idea. It would be really good if we could get a counter showing how much money has been raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dipped Flake Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Donation made, now just to get down to Tynecastle to buy my own shares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Donation made. I'll give more when I get paid as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasha Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Google PayPal and follow the online instructions. You will need an email account and a bank account and that is pretty much it. just need to remember your log in details and activate it through your email account when notified. Mate, i live overseas. If i set up a paypal account, can i use someone elses Credit Card to make a donation? The Credit Card holder also lives overseas.. Do u know if this is possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Mate, i live overseas. If i set up a paypal account, can i use someone elses Credit Card to make a donation? The Credit Card holder also lives overseas.. Do u know if this is possible? You can set up paypal practically anywhere and I'm pretty sure you can use just about any bank account or credit card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMac Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 can we get a donation counter going for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasha Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Thanks mate! I will look into this tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Weathers Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Really pleased this is up and running. I've now made a small donation to the fund as I won't be able to get to the stadium to buy my own shares for a week or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share Posted November 5, 2012 PayPal is being a bit slow in coughing up exact numbers, but the amount donated so far is approximately ?900. Thank you to all who've donated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 PayPal is being a bit slow in coughing up exact numbers, but the amount donated so far is approximately ?900. Thank you to all who've donated. NIce one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devries4 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Donation made. I really hope this goes well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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