i wish jj was my dad Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 22 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Would you agree then that said FM should be buckled for comments such 'lets make Scotland Tory free' and his too many whites in Scotland rant? Pretty sure that's stirring up hate. I think the context of having no Scottish Tory seats in Scotland is quite different from exterminating Tory voters. If the intention is the latter then the key could be thrown away as far as I am concerned. I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting that though are they? I doubt the evidence would suggest otherwise. FWIW, I thought that the 'white, white, white,' comment was at best misguided but if a white politician had said something similar about BAME there would be uproar and rightly so. I'm surprised he didn't get a tug or at least a public warning. It certainly merited it in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 13 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said: I think the context of having no Scottish Tory seats in Scotland is quite different from exterminating Tory voters. If the intention is the latter then the key could be thrown away as far as I am concerned. I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting that though are they? I doubt the evidence would suggest otherwise. FWIW, I thought that the 'white, white, white,' comment was at best misguided but if a white politician had said something similar about BAME there would be uproar and rightly so. I'm surprised he didn't get a tug or at least a public warning. It certainly merited it in my opinion. Thank you for replying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 4 hours ago, pablo said: Colony haha 4 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said: Slaver a lot of shite, get the cult frothing and then post your bank details for donations 3 hours ago, TallPaul said: Unbelievable levels of desperation throwing around terms like that All the conditions of a colonised nation have or do apply in Scotland Theft of resources Subjugation of language Suppression of indigenous culture Depopulation Neglect of infrastructure Subsidised by coloniser myths and lies External control of media Incoming settler population Scotland is a country but has no control of it's own resources - one of the the biggest oil and gas producers in Europe without (now) a single oil refinery It's run by a devolved administraion of the British Civil Service and as someone once said "Power devolved is power retained" It's a signatory to an international treaty (of union) but cannot act to rescind that treaty without permission from the other signatory Sounds pretty much like a colony in all but name Repeated colonisation attempts by military force throughout the 13th, 14th and 15th centuries were resisted but James VI started the rot in the 17th century culminating in the forced union in the early 18th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 6 hours ago, AyrJambo said: All the conditions of a colonised nation have or do apply in Scotland Theft of resources Subjugation of language Suppression of indigenous culture Depopulation Neglect of infrastructure Subsidised by coloniser myths and lies External control of media Incoming settler population Scotland is a country but has no control of it's own resources - one of the the biggest oil and gas producers in Europe without (now) a single oil refinery It's run by a devolved administraion of the British Civil Service and as someone once said "Power devolved is power retained" It's a signatory to an international treaty (of union) but cannot act to rescind that treaty without permission from the other signatory Sounds pretty much like a colony in all but name Repeated colonisation attempts by military force throughout the 13th, 14th and 15th centuries were resisted but James VI started the rot in the 17th century culminating in the forced union in the early 18th Do colonies participate in the governance of their nation? Do they willingly vote in referendum to remain part of the so called colony? Glad to see you haven't resorted to extreme grievance politics though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 10 hours ago, periodictabledancer said: a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country and occupied by settlers from that country. Cringe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 6 hours ago, AyrJambo said: All the conditions of a colonised nation have or do apply in Scotland Theft of resources Subjugation of language Suppression of indigenous culture Depopulation Neglect of infrastructure Subsidised by coloniser myths and lies External control of media Incoming settler population Scotland is a country but has no control of it's own resources - one of the the biggest oil and gas producers in Europe without (now) a single oil refinery It's run by a devolved administraion of the British Civil Service and as someone once said "Power devolved is power retained" It's a signatory to an international treaty (of union) but cannot act to rescind that treaty without permission from the other signatory Sounds pretty much like a colony in all but name Repeated colonisation attempts by military force throughout the 13th, 14th and 15th centuries were resisted but James VI started the rot in the 17th century culminating in the forced union in the early 18th Cringe again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 8 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Thank you for replying All cool. Like most things I think that there is a debate to be had but it can't happen if the starting position is to label a different perspective as scummy. That's the point about the right to free speech. It really needs to be exercised responsibly. I've said before i thought Humza was a disaster waiting to happen and started with a target on his back because of his record as a Minister and the 'white, white, white' nonsense. His record as FM hasn't shown great signs of improvement either but I did think he showed up as one if not the better of the UK leaders on Gaza which suggested he'd learned or at least been advised better. Although he is probably young enough not to have endured the worst of it, I can't imagine how difficult it must be for a young Moslem kid growing up here and i still see enough Islamaphobia to understand what motivates somebody in his position to want to stop it. I think it could be like the OBA. Just because it was badly written, I don't think it was the wrong thing to do and it was telling who was behind getting it repealed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 11 hours ago, periodictabledancer said: a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country and occupied by settlers from that country. Being English, would you class me and my family as 'occupiers'? 8 hours ago, AyrJambo said: Incoming settler population Same question to you, Ayr. Occupiers or citizens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 11 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Being English, would you class me and my family as 'occupiers'? Same question to you, Ayr. Occupiers or citizens? I find the term quite offensive and insulting to English people who have made their home in Scotland . Borderline racist too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Just now, JudyJudyJudy said: I find the term quite offensive and insulting to English people who have made their home in Scotland . Borderline racist too . Nothing borderline about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Just now, il Duce McTarkin said: Nothing borderline about it. I was trying to be subtle ! 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Deeds Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 The London Economic Forum thinks we more than pay our way https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/business-economics/economics/scotlands-extraordinary-fiscal-contribution-to-uk-economy-revealed-370677/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Ayr Jambo should meet up for a pint with that crazy Ri Alban guy or what ever he was called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 26 minutes ago, Dirty Deeds said: The London Economic Forum thinks we more than pay our way https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/business-economics/economics/scotlands-extraordinary-fiscal-contribution-to-uk-economy-revealed-370677/ How dare you put something positive about Scotland on here! This forum is for unionists to greet, be hypocritical, denigrate etc. Get with the programme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 11 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: How dare you put something positive about Scotland on here! This forum is for unionists to greet, be hypocritical, denigrate etc. Get with the programme. I read it . Still a naw from me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 41 minutes ago, Dirty Deeds said: The London Economic Forum thinks we more than pay our way https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/business-economics/economics/scotlands-extraordinary-fiscal-contribution-to-uk-economy-revealed-370677/ A good read and underlines the areas in which Scotland thrives as part of our beloved Union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Sturgeon , Ardern , Johnson , him and hopefully Humza next . Delightful . Revenge really is a dish best served cold . https://x.com/humzayousaf/status/1770455026290303235?s=46&t=Uyg6zS_aUfEwlXY6vOoxzQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 15 hours ago, AyrJambo said: Scotland is a de facto colony in this "union" and the cost is plain to see for those who have eyes... https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2024/03/19/the-real-economic-price-of-the-uk-union-for-scots/ How is the transformation to Banana Republic coming along, was there an overwhelming mandate from Indyref 2 last October? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said: I find the term quite offensive and insulting to English people who have made their home in Scotland . Borderline racist too . 1 hour ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Nothing borderline about it. Xenophobic definitely, racist not so much. Also definitely out of order to be using that type of language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 3 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Xenophobic definitely, racist not so much. Also definitely out of order to be using that type of language. Being a white, Anglo Saxon, protestant, I don't get to play the race card often, Konnie. Please can I have this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) Dp Edited March 21 by JudyJudyJudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 26 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Being a white, Anglo Saxon, protestant, I don't get to play the race card often, Konnie. Please can I have this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, Japan Jambo said: How is the transformation to Banana Republic coming along, was there an overwhelming mandate from Indyref 2 last October? Incredible the penny still hasn't dropped for them. So hard of thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 4 hours ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Being English, would you class me and my family as 'occupiers'? Same question to you, Ayr. Occupiers or citizens? I couldn't care less about you or your family and quite how you managed to contort a question like that out of a reply that has feck all to do with you is quite something. But then you do go that extra mile to be an arsehole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 3 hours ago, Japan Jambo said: How is the transformation to Banana Republic coming along, was there an overwhelming mandate from Indyref 2 last October? UK Gov couldn't facilitate it due its broad shoulders eradicating poverty. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68625344 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 6 minutes ago, Gundermann said: UK Gov couldn't facilitate it due its broad shoulders eradicating poverty. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68625344 <gets ready for the "but it'd be even worse under indy" posts>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 17 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: <gets ready for the "but it'd be even worse under indy" posts>. In fairness your side have done nothing to evidence otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 26 minutes ago, Gundermann said: UK Gov couldn't facilitate it due its broad shoulders eradicating poverty. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68625344 Folk need to get the finger out and work a bit harder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Some right honking language being bandied about in here but the Little Scotlanders. Then again we all know there's a nasty side to their so-called "civic nationalism". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 28 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: I couldn't care less about you or your family and quite how you managed to contort a question like that out of a reply that has feck all to do with you is quite something. See below, bud. 19 hours ago, AyrJambo said: Scotland is a de facto colony in this "union" 16 hours ago, periodictabledancer said: a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country and occupied by settlers from that country. Now, being that I'm English and living in Scotland, it's of great interest to me when folk post things that paint people like me as colonists, occupiers, and settlers. It always tickles me when the kiddy-on, inclusive Scottish lefty mask slips. 41 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: But then you do go that extra mile to be an arsehole. Glad to be of service. It must feel awful knowing that your country is colonised and settled by arseholes and you are utterly powerless to do anything about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 12 minutes ago, BlueRiver said: Some right honking language being bandied about in here but the Little Scotlanders. Then again we all know there's a nasty side to their so-called "civic nationalism". So true . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 17 hours ago, periodictabledancer said: a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country and occupied by settlers from that country. You're a settler in England are you not? Did the Redcoats kidnap you from your but n ben in the Highlands and transport you over the border Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 17 hours ago, periodictabledancer said: a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country and occupied by settlers from that country. DP Edited March 21 by Nucky Thompson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 5 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: You're a settler in England are you not? Did the Redcoats kidnap you from your but n ben in the Highlands and transport you over the border We need more settlers in England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 minute ago, Dawnrazor said: We need more settlers in England. You're an ex-pat, Dawn. It's only Sassenachs that are colonisers and settlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 11 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: You're a settler in England are you not? Did the Redcoats kidnap you from your but n ben in the Highlands and transport you over the border And another lives in Turkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 3 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: You're an ex-pat, Dawn. It's only Sassenachs that are colonisers and settlers. Well that's a bit unfair Guv, is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 minute ago, JudyJudyJudy said: And another lives in Turkey And another in Mexico. All those bonnie Princes in exile getting us 'hoosers' telt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 3 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: Well that's a bit unfair Guv, is it not? It is, but I don't make the rules, Dawn'. You'll need to take it up with that boy from Ayr and the table dancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 2 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: It is, but I don't make the rules, Dawn'. You'll need to take it up with that boy from Ayr and the table dancer. Good luck to Dawn trying to get sense out of either of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BlueRiver said: Good luck to Dawn trying to get sense out of either of them. Dawn' has specific methods for exctracting sense from folk, BR, generally after extracting a few teeth, fingernails, and part of the small intestine. Edited March 21 by il Duce McTarkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 2 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Dawn' has specific methods for exctracting sense from folk, BR, generally after extracting a few teeth, fingernails, and part of the small intestine. Ah he's a gid lad. Although he'll need to be mindful. The desperation to portray themselves as some poor under the boot abused Scotsmen might point to a serious masochism paraphillia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 17 hours ago, periodictabledancer said: a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country and occupied by settlers from that country. I think this a problem for the independence movement that hidden in the background is a real anti English agenda that I for one can’t get on board with. I’d rather you argued the financials of independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 5 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: I read it . Still a naw from me . I'm very surprised! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 30 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: It is, but I don't make the rules, Dawn'. You'll need to take it up with that boy from Ayr and the table dancer. So if an English family move to and live and work in Scotland, they're "settlers" and "occupiers" but if a Scottish family move to and live and work in England, they're "ex pats"..........ok👍 Edited March 21 by Dawnrazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 19 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Dawn' has specific methods for exctracting sense from folk, BR, generally after extracting a few teeth, fingernails, and part of the small intestine. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 52 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: And another in Mexico. All those bonnie Princes in exile getting us 'hoosers' telt. Yes the ugly side of nationalism sadly . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, TallPaul said: In fairness your side have done nothing to evidence otherwise The latest proof is surely all the evidence anyone needs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 4 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Yes the ugly side of nationalism sadly . There's not really a pretty side to any nationalism James 😪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 8 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: There's not really a pretty side to any nationalism James 😪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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