Scottish independence and devolution superthread

[Gizmo]

43 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

The Scottish Government have had increased spending in numerous areas.

 

Its not the Tories fault Scotland is running in the red with its budget.  Incompetence at Holyrood is the primary reason.

So costs are through the roof due to a combination of economic issues - Brexit, the Ukraine invasion, the Covid costs and post-Covid economic fallout, Truss's economic batshittery, massive spikes in energy costs, rampant food inflation and corporate price gouging etc etc.

* Councils across the UK are going bust.

* The UK government has a budget deficit of over a trillion pounds.

* Wales has a budget deficit.

* Northern Ireland has a budget deficit. 

* 22 European countries run with a budget deficit. 

But uniquely our budget deficit is solely due to the incompetent SNP-led coalition government, according to Frank. 



 


 

[Roxy Hearts]

14 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

So costs are through the roof due to a combination of economic issues - Brexit, the Ukraine invasion, the Covid costs and post-Covid economic fallout, Truss's economic batshittery, massive spikes in energy costs, rampant food inflation and corporate price gouging etc etc.

* Councils across the UK are going bust.

* The UK government has a budget deficit of over a trillion pounds.

* Wales has a budget deficit.

* Northern Ireland has a budget deficit. 

* 22 European countries run with a budget deficit. 

But uniquely our budget deficit is solely due to the incompetent SNP-led coalition government, according to Frank. 



 


 

He's a unionist, what do you expect!

[Japan Jambo]

2 hours ago, Gizmo said:

I wonder why shoplifting has increased in frequency...


 

The biggest issue facing society in the UK is getting rid of the misfiring, corrupt Tories at the next GE and making inroads into starting to fix the disgusting mess they have created. 

The Scottish electorate does not share Humza's views on a "de facto" referendum - we've already met Thatcher's test and nothing happened. This is not, and would never be, the mechanism to gain independence. The priority is eliminating the Tories, though I see many of them are jumping ship before being pushed anyway, what was that saying again...:D

This does not mean independence as a movement or ideal is gone, far from it. Nor does it mean for a second that any GE votes for Labour, should they transpire, will transfer over to Holyrood voting patterns. Anyone who thinks this isn't paying attention. 

 

I thought I read somewhere that it was back to pre COVID levels but that the retailers were shroud waving in an attempt to deflect? Anyone have facts?

[The Mighty Thor]

2 hours ago, frankblack said:

 

The Scottish Government have had increased spending in numerous areas.

 

Its not the Tories fault Scotland is running in the red with its budget.  Incompetence at Holyrood is the primary reason.

Tell us again just how much of a budget deficit Jeremy Hunt, the doyen of fiscal probity, is running this year and tell us how that compares pro rata to how Scotland is managing it's budget?

 

 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Roll up , roll up , it’s SNP bingo time again . Even Scotlands “ First Lady “ is joining in the game 😂

 

 

 

Edited April 11 by JudyJudyJudy

[Lord Montpelier]

35 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Roll up , roll up , it’s SNP bingo time again . Even Scotlands “ First Lady “ is joining in the game 😂

 

 

 

She's a victim of thinking she's way more important than she actually is

[frankblack]

2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Tell us again just how much of a budget deficit Jeremy Hunt, the doyen of fiscal probity, is running this year and tell us how that compares pro rata to how Scotland is managing it's budget?

 

 

 

 

 

More whatabootery.  I'm not defending the Tories, just pointing out Nationalists who never admit to their own failings.

 

The Scottish Government has a budget.  They knew what they had to spend and need to justify why they overspent regardless.

[Boris]

1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Roll up , roll up , it’s SNP bingo time again . Even Scotlands “ First Lady “ is joining in the game 😂

 

 

 

So you're saying some Tory MPs aren't what could be described as far right?

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Roll up , roll up , it’s SNP bingo time again . Even Scotlands “ First Lady “ is joining in the game 😂

 

 

 

Watch out, you'll have the gullible trying to twist her words to suit their own agenda. While some Tory MPs are unarguably right wing, I'd suggest Nadia is trying desperately to jump on a bandwagon to deflect from her husband's dismal record in office and also from her families more noticeable problems with crime 

[henrysmithsgloves]

6 hours ago, Gizmo said:

I wonder why shoplifting has increased in frequency...


 

 

No excuse mate,cut the cloth to suit. I would love to get more money on my pension,but here we are. A bit like saying fuel prices are higher, let's start stealing fuel.🤔👍🏻

[TallPaul]

14 hours ago, Lord Montpelier said:

She's a victim of thinking she's way more important than she actually is

Just another nasty member of Dundonian Sopranos. 

[TallPaul]

18 hours ago, Gizmo said:

I wonder why shoplifting has increased in frequency...


 

The biggest issue facing society in the UK is getting rid of the misfiring, corrupt Tories at the next GE and making inroads into starting to fix the disgusting mess they have created. 

The Scottish electorate does not share Humza's views on a "de facto" referendum - we've already met Thatcher's test and nothing happened. This is not, and would never be, the mechanism to gain independence. The priority is eliminating the Tories, though I see many of them are jumping ship before being pushed anyway, what was that saying again...:D

This does not mean independence as a movement or ideal is gone, far from it. Nor does it mean for a second that any GE votes for Labour, should they transpire, will transfer over to Holyrood voting patterns. Anyone who thinks this isn't paying attention. 

Can you explain why Scotish independence would have seen us avoid rising food prices?

[Gundermann]

Support for independence up again in new poll. Still considerably higher than support for SNP.

 

[manaliveits105]

Aw the Redfield survey of 1000 people which has the Scottish Tories with increased seats in both Westminster and Holyrood - that one 

 

  
Fandabbydozie any date for indyref2 ? 

bring it on 

 

[TallPaul]

3 hours ago, Gundermann said:

Support for independence up again in new poll. Still considerably higher than support for SNP.

 

Smashing when's the referendum taking place?

[JudyJudyJudy]

15 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

Smashing when's the referendum taking place?

I’ll second that ! Bring it on ! 

[Gizmo]

18 hours ago, henrysmithsgloves said:

No excuse mate,cut the cloth to suit. I would love to get more money on my pension,but here we are. A bit like saying fuel prices are higher, let's start stealing fuel.🤔👍🏻

I agree but some families had already cut their cloth to shreds and had nowhere to go when these prices were scalped. It got so bad that Tesco limited the amount of Heinz products due to that company's shameless greed. 

Food inflation may have stabilised but I think some of the less economically literate posters don't grasp that the prices don't then go down like pump prices (sometimes!) do. 

Food bank use hasn't eased, put it that way. 
 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Well said Jim 

 

https://x.com/cameronrhona/status/1778545205379060212?s=46&t=Uyg6zS_aUfEwlXY6vOoxzQ

 

 

 

[manaliveits105]

An SNP manifesto pledge to give free bikes to every child who can’t afford one is set to fail as new figures show just three per cent have received one. Data obtained by the Sunday Mail shows the 2021 promise has cost about £700 per bike, with £5.3million spent so far. 

Just 6814 bikes have been given out in the last three years, with the majority of Scotland’s 250,000 kids in poverty yet to receive one. The government has also admitted Transport Scotland, which funds the scheme, has made no assessment of when all children unable to afford a bike will get one. 

The SNP promised to fulfil its pledge by 2026. Critics said the money would have been better spent on anti-poverty programmes and have urged the government to ditch the scheme.
 

3% 

[manaliveits105]

Scottish Ministers spent a record high of £926 million funding pupils with additional support needs last year fuelling claims of a “crisis in the classroom”, it has been revealed. Scottish Government data shows 37% of pupils have additional support needs (ASN) and critics claim the upward trend puts Scotland on course to have 50% of school-aged children defined as needing extra help by 2030.

The SNP Government has confirmed that staff increased by 725 (4.4%) last year bringing the total number of support staff in Scottish schools to 17,330. Campaigners say Scottish Government data shows there were 259,036 youngsters with ASN, up almost 3% from the previous year when 34.2% fell into the category. 

The Scottish Union for Education (SUE) says the Scottish data when compared with 17% in England is deeply troubling and that some parents may be incentivised to claim ASN status as a result of a diagnosis giving them entitlement to benefits. Julie Sandilands is an English and business teacher who worked in several secondary schools in Fife, and believes the spiralling number of pupils with ASN is reaching crisis levels.
 

20% worse than England - come on somebody is at it ! 
 

snp oot 

[manaliveits105]

The number of people with criminal convictions who have been allowed to take on teaching roles in Scottish classrooms has increased.

Freedom of Information requests by the Scots Tories reveal that the number of individuals with criminal convictions approved to take up posts, under the Protecting Vulnerable Groups Scheme, rose from 215 in 2021 to 265 in 2023 – an increase of more than 23%.

These figures include serious offences such as violent crimes –­­­ the number of which has increased by 50% over the past two years – and sexual crimes, which have doubled in the last year. The increase comes against a backdrop of falling teacher numbers, with councils facing "significant" challenges due to budget cuts.
 

snp protecting children 

[Lord Montpelier]

28 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

An SNP manifesto pledge to give free bikes to every child who can’t afford one is set to fail as new figures show just three per cent have received one. Data obtained by the Sunday Mail shows the 2021 promise has cost about £700 per bike, with £5.3million spent so far. 

Just 6814 bikes have been given out in the last three years, with the majority of Scotland’s 250,000 kids in poverty yet to receive one. The government has also admitted Transport Scotland, which funds the scheme, has made no assessment of when all children unable to afford a bike will get one. 

The SNP promised to fulfil its pledge by 2026. Critics said the money would have been better spent on anti-poverty programmes and have urged the government to ditch the scheme.
 

3% 

Still waiting on my free laptop

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Scottish Ministers spent a record high of £926 million funding pupils with additional support needs last year fuelling claims of a “crisis in the classroom”, it has been revealed. Scottish Government data shows 37% of pupils have additional support needs (ASN) and critics claim the upward trend puts Scotland on course to have 50% of school-aged children defined as needing extra help by 2030.

The SNP Government has confirmed that staff increased by 725 (4.4%) last year bringing the total number of support staff in Scottish schools to 17,330. Campaigners say Scottish Government data shows there were 259,036 youngsters with ASN, up almost 3% from the previous year when 34.2% fell into the category. 

The Scottish Union for Education (SUE) says the Scottish data when compared with 17% in England is deeply troubling and that some parents may be incentivised to claim ASN status as a result of a diagnosis giving them entitlement to benefits. Julie Sandilands is an English and business teacher who worked in several secondary schools in Fife, and believes the spiralling number of pupils with ASN is reaching crisis levels.
 

20% worse than England - come on somebody is at it ! 
 

snp oot 

Yep the rapid rise in kids needing “ additional support for learning” in comparison to other countries is an odd one 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Scottish Ministers spent a record high of £926 million funding pupils with additional support needs last year fuelling claims of a “crisis in the classroom”, it has been revealed. Scottish Government data shows 37% of pupils have additional support needs (ASN) and critics claim the upward trend puts Scotland on course to have 50% of school-aged children defined as needing extra help by 2030.

The SNP Government has confirmed that staff increased by 725 (4.4%) last year bringing the total number of support staff in Scottish schools to 17,330. Campaigners say Scottish Government data shows there were 259,036 youngsters with ASN, up almost 3% from the previous year when 34.2% fell into the category. 

The Scottish Union for Education (SUE) says the Scottish data when compared with 17% in England is deeply troubling and that some parents may be incentivised to claim ASN status as a result of a diagnosis giving them entitlement to benefits. Julie Sandilands is an English and business teacher who worked in several secondary schools in Fife, and believes the spiralling number of pupils with ASN is reaching crisis levels.
 

20% worse than England - come on somebody is at it ! 
 

snp oot 

Another failure 

[manaliveits105]

Humza sceptical of any UK military intervention in region - when asked if he supports RAF shooting down drones.

 

 

 

[Horatio Caine]

10 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Scottish Ministers spent a record high of £926 million funding pupils with additional support needs last year fuelling claims of a “crisis in the classroom”, it has been revealed. Scottish Government data shows 37% of pupils have additional support needs (ASN) and critics claim the upward trend puts Scotland on course to have 50% of school-aged children defined as needing extra help by 2030.

The SNP Government has confirmed that staff increased by 725 (4.4%) last year bringing the total number of support staff in Scottish schools to 17,330. Campaigners say Scottish Government data shows there were 259,036 youngsters with ASN, up almost 3% from the previous year when 34.2% fell into the category. 

The Scottish Union for Education (SUE) says the Scottish data when compared with 17% in England is deeply troubling and that some parents may be incentivised to claim ASN status as a result of a diagnosis giving them entitlement to benefits. Julie Sandilands is an English and business teacher who worked in several secondary schools in Fife, and believes the spiralling number of pupils with ASN is reaching crisis levels.
 

20% worse than England - come on somebody is at it ! 
 

snp oot 

Aye. Time for a Labour government.

Anas in.

 

[Australis]

11 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

An SNP manifesto pledge to give free bikes to every child who can’t afford one is set to fail as new figures show just three per cent have received one. Data obtained by the Sunday Mail shows the 2021 promise has cost about £700 per bike, with £5.3million spent so far. 

Just 6814 bikes have been given out in the last three years, with the majority of Scotland’s 250,000 kids in poverty yet to receive one. The government has also admitted Transport Scotland, which funds the scheme, has made no assessment of when all children unable to afford a bike will get one. 

The SNP promised to fulfil its pledge by 2026. Critics said the money would have been better spent on anti-poverty programmes and have urged the government to ditch the scheme.
 

3% 

It's what the SNP do.

 

[Australis]

11 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Scottish Ministers spent a record high of £926 million funding pupils with additional support needs last year fuelling claims of a “crisis in the classroom”, it has been revealed. Scottish Government data shows 37% of pupils have additional support needs (ASN) and critics claim the upward trend puts Scotland on course to have 50% of school-aged children defined as needing extra help by 2030.

The SNP Government has confirmed that staff increased by 725 (4.4%) last year bringing the total number of support staff in Scottish schools to 17,330. Campaigners say Scottish Government data shows there were 259,036 youngsters with ASN, up almost 3% from the previous year when 34.2% fell into the category. 

The Scottish Union for Education (SUE) says the Scottish data when compared with 17% in England is deeply troubling and that some parents may be incentivised to claim ASN status as a result of a diagnosis giving them entitlement to benefits. Julie Sandilands is an English and business teacher who worked in several secondary schools in Fife, and believes the spiralling number of pupils with ASN is reaching crisis levels.
 

20% worse than England - come on somebody is at it ! 
 

snp oot 

It's an SNP thing.

[Australis]

11 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

An SNP manifesto pledge to give free bikes to every child who can’t afford one is set to fail as new figures show just three per cent have received one. Data obtained by the Sunday Mail shows the 2021 promise has cost about £700 per bike, with £5.3million spent so far. 

Just 6814 bikes have been given out in the last three years, with the majority of Scotland’s 250,000 kids in poverty yet to receive one. The government has also admitted Transport Scotland, which funds the scheme, has made no assessment of when all children unable to afford a bike will get one. 

The SNP promised to fulfil its pledge by 2026. Critics said the money would have been better spent on anti-poverty programmes and have urged the government to ditch the scheme.
 

3% 

Any figures on the free laptops.

 

[TallPaul]

15 hours ago, Australis said:

Any figures on the free laptops.

 

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/fife/4931382/jenny-gilruth-laptops/

[Australis]

1 hour ago, TallPaul said:

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/fife/4931382/jenny-gilruth-laptops/

Thank for the figures TallPaul.

 

Would anyone be remotely shocked reading them.

It's what the nationalists do.

Constant promises and constant lies.

 

Even their own are starting to get fed up of the lies.

 

 

[Japan Jambo]

1 hour ago, TallPaul said:

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/fife/4931382/jenny-gilruth-laptops/

 

Nothing to see Paul, it's all Westminster's fault that the SNP didn't do what the SNP promised to do. With the level of handholding they require one wonders how they get dressed in the morning?

[jack D and coke]

Aye they councillors from Labour and Tory who didn’t even want hungry bairns getting a free school meal are up in arms aboot then no getting laptops now…

****off  

[JudyJudyJudy]

9 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said:

With the laptops, they could have ordered a takeaway, grabbed the food, beaten up the driver, and then used the defence that they were under the age of criminal responsibility. 

Don’t encourage them 😂

[Australis]

24 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said:

 

Love how they promise anything and everything at election time, then when they fail to deliver during their term they just blame the Tories. It's a formula that seems to have hooked many. 

 

Between voters in England who vote Tory 'because brown people and socialists' and voters in Scotland who vote SNP 'because Tories and Westminster', I'm not sure democracy is really living up to the hype.

 

There appears to be no accountability for failed manifesto pledges. There should be an impartial, publicly-funded body that audits everyone's manifesto and then rates it in terms of plausibility and taxation requirements. The results can be displayed on billboards all over the country at election time, with no other form of campaigning allowed. The incumbent party should also have their previous manifesto reviewed and a simple tick or cross next to edge commitment. 

Remember the promised school class sizes of 18 and putting an end to foodbank use in Scotland. 

 

They have put foodbank use through the roof in Scotland and its about one teacher for 35 pupils in a class.

 

 

The scrapping the council tax.

The we will govern differently.

 

[jack D and coke]

31 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said:

With the laptops, they could have ordered a takeaway, grabbed the food, beaten up the driver, and then used the defence that they were under the age of criminal responsibility. 

 

It’s just like austerity never happened tho eh. The ACTUAL govt who control the finances cutback on everything but the SG are still to magic money out of thin air🤷🏽‍♂️I mean they couldn’t ask the half dozen posters on here for another shilling I mean they almost prop Scotland up themselves ffs. 
Labour in wales blame WM.
Labour here blame the SNP. 
How bizarre. 

[jack D and coke]

21 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said:

That's the thing though, JD&C - rather than any of the buggers seeking to work together to make things better for everyone, they'd rather bicker and sow further seeds of division.

 

I genuinely think there needs to be another referendum, but this time the options are a) independence / b) no independence and scrap Holyrood. The SG appears to exist as some kind of outlet valve for frustration with the London mob. This only benefits the die-hard indy voters and fanatical unionists. Everyone else is just caught in the middle.

I’ve said for a while do an all or nothing referendum. All on the table and let’s do it. 
But look at the credence that complete shit about laptops got there!   These are MPs who tried to stop hungry bairns getting a meal in their belly at school  kicking off about ****ing laptops!!

Its hilarious how dumb people are. 
The SG deserve a going over for certain things especially this last couple of years but it’s like blinkers on for the ACTUAL govt who control everything. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

I’ve said for a while do an all or nothing referendum. All on the table and let’s do it. 
But look at the credence that complete shit about laptops got there!   These are MPs who tried to stop hungry bairns getting a meal in their belly at school  kicking off about ****ing laptops!!

Its hilarious how dumb people are. 
The SG deserve a going over for certain things especially this last couple of years but it’s like blinkers on for the ACTUAL govt who control everything. 

Here’s a novel idea . Instead of coming up with shite ideas like bikes and lap tops for kids why not spend the money on helping feed those hungry kids ? 

[jack D and coke]

17 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Here’s a novel idea . Instead of coming up with shite ideas like bikes and lap tops for kids why not spend the money on helping feed those hungry kids ? 

They did. Labour and Tory voted against though. 
Thats my point. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

18 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

They did. Labour and Tory voted against though. 
Thats my point. 

The bikes thing was an SNP greens policy . 
 

 

[TallPaul]

2 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Aye they councillors from Labour and Tory who didn’t even want hungry bairns getting a free school meal are up in arms aboot then no getting laptops now…

****off  

It wasn't them that promised laptops to win votes. I think you have massively missed the point.

[XB52]

2 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Aye they councillors from Labour and Tory who didn’t even want hungry bairns getting a free school meal are up in arms aboot then no getting laptops now…

****off  

The unionists are surely just trolling now. No way can they believe the shite they post on here.

P.S. my grandson loves his laptop he got from his school

[XB52]

1 hour ago, Jim_Duncan said:

That's the thing though, JD&C - rather than any of the buggers seeking to work together to make things better for everyone, they'd rather bicker and sow further seeds of division.

 

I genuinely think there needs to be another referendum, but this time the options are a) independence / b) no independence and scrap Holyrood. The SG appears to exist as some kind of outlet valve for frustration with the London mob. This only benefits the die-hard indy voters and fanatical unionists. Everyone else is just caught in the middle.

Wow, a post from you that I agree with. One all or nothing referendum to decide for ever

[jack D and coke]

18 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

The bikes thing was an SNP greens policy . 
 

 

Bit irrelevant seeing the snp are in govt. You said they should feed the bairns too, well they did bring free school meals. Also the extra £20 per child which was supposed to have a made a big difference. 

12 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

It wasn't them that promised laptops to win votes. I think you have massively missed the point.

No point missed. Things change. Budgets change or are forced to. 
These chancers didn’t want kids getting fed ffs. 

[XB52]

All children in primary 1 to 5, at schools run by their local council or funded by the Scottish Government, can get free school lunches during term-time.

[TallPaul]

53 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Bit irrelevant seeing the snp are in govt. You said they should feed the bairns too, well they did bring free school meals. Also the extra £20 per child which was supposed to have a made a big difference. 

No point missed. Things change. Budgets change or are forced to. 
These chancers didn’t want kids getting fed ffs. 

Things change a lot of the Nats. I'm sure the cult will keep falling for the empty promises though.

[jack D and coke]

45 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

Things change a lot of the Nats. I'm sure the cult will keep falling for the empty promises though.

Nothing changes at uk level though eh👍🏼

Only up here. 

[TallPaul]

2 hours ago, XB52 said:

All children in primary 1 to 5, at schools run by their local council or funded by the Scottish Government, can get free school lunches during term-time.

Not free though are they 

[i wish jj was my dad]

2 hours ago, TallPaul said:

Not free though are they 

They are for the kids that eat them

[Ulysses]

56 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

They are for the kids that eat them

 

We're finally trying to catch up with Scotland and implement free school lunches in our primary schools.