Scottish independence and devolution superthread

[periodictabledancer]

4 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

the independence movement will gather pace again but not for a good while, primarily because the only party in any sort of position to deliver it are a busted flush and in disarray 

Very possibly. 

[The Mighty Thor]

26 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Not just off-shored, transferred to the remaining parts of the UK.

Sounds like financial services is not a long term career option. 

 

Your job could be transferred at the drop of a hat. 

[Cairneyhill Jambo]

46 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

You are flapping.

 

The fact is that the majority of financial service jobs are centred around the City of London.

 

The jobs will move out of Scotland after independence.  You are in denial if you think otherwise.

The jobs have already gone. Remember at the referendum. The Tories took scaremongering to a new level and warned  that if Scotland voted yes, companies would leave Scotland and take the jobs with them.

 

Then the Brexit shitshow happened which started a mass exodus of companies to leave the UK and took the work with them. Airbus. Aviva, Barclays Bank, HSBC, Lloyds, British Steel, Ford, Honda, Toyota. Jaguar/Land Rover, Nissan, Panasonic, Sony, Phillips. Dyson etc etc. Literally thousands of jobs gone. And you can't blame independence for any of it. 

 

 

[Cranston]

29 minutes ago, Cairneyhill Jambo said:

The jobs have already gone. Remember at the referendum. The Tories took scaremongering to a new level and warned  that if Scotland voted yes, companies would leave Scotland and take the jobs with them.

 

Then the Brexit shitshow happened which started a mass exodus of companies to leave the UK and took the work with them. Airbus. Aviva, Barclays Bank, HSBC, Lloyds, British Steel, Ford, Honda, Toyota. Jaguar/Land Rover, Nissan, Panasonic, Sony, Phillips. Dyson etc etc. Literally thousands of jobs gone. And you can't blame independence for any of it. 

 

 

The thing is though, the snp and greens are bottom feeders. They are anti business, anti car, anti high street, anti oil, anti fixing roads, just about anti everything, bar new law hate crimes, and feathering their own nests. What incentive is there to vote for independence? The snp and greens are a shit fest of shite.

[manaliveits105]

2 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

the independence movement will gather pace again but not for a good while, primarily because the only party in any sort of position to deliver it are a busted flush and in disarray 

The camper van engine will have siezed by noo 

[periodictabledancer]

59 minutes ago, Cranston said:

The thing is though, the snp and greens are bottom feeders. They are anti business, anti car, anti high street, anti oil, anti fixing roads, just about anti everything, bar new law hate crimes, and feathering their own nests. What incentive is there to vote for independence? The snp and greens are a shit fest of shite.

 

[manaliveits105]

3 hours ago, Cranston said:

The thing is though, the snp and greens are bottom feeders. They are anti business, anti car, anti high street, anti oil, anti fixing roads, just about anti everything, bar new law hate crimes, and feathering their own nests. What incentive is there to vote for independence? The snp and greens are a shit fest of shite.

[TheOak88]

On 07/04/2024 at 01:46, Roxy Hearts said:

Eh?

Which part are you struggling with, Roxy?

[Gundermann]

11 hours ago, Cranston said:

The thing is though, the snp and greens are bottom feeders. They are anti business, anti car, anti high street, anti oil, anti fixing roads, just about anti everything, bar new law hate crimes, and feathering their own nests. What incentive is there to vote for independence? The snp and greens are a shit fest of shite.

 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Shit fest of shite

 

 

great phrase which I’ll be stealing 

 

the greens are proper creepy ***** who need hard drive checks all round 

[Roxy Hearts]

2 hours ago, TheOak88 said:

Which part are you struggling with, Roxy?

The part where the Westminster Government won't tell us what Scotland's wealth is. What are they scared of? 

[Australis]

Yousafs brother in law arrested and charged with abduction and extortion.

In a case where someone died.

 

No wonder Police Scotland can't cope.

Him driving without insurance, its a one family crime wave.

 

 

[manaliveits105]

Scottish taxpayers paying the bail ?

[Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, Australis said:

Yousafs brother in law arrested and charged with abduction and extortion.

In a case where someone died.

 

No wonder Police Scotland can't cope.

Him driving without insurance, its a one family crime wave.

 

 

Just read that. Lovely bunch.

[Lord Montpelier]

Excellent to read reports of the launch of a new ferry

 

Presumably this one doesn't have painted on windows

 

Well done SNP 

[Australis]

1 hour ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Excellent to read reports of the launch of a new ferry

 

Presumably this one doesn't have painted on windows

 

Well done SNP 

Tonight's news says it will still be 18 months before it can take passengers.

 

Total shambles.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said:

What an embarrassing situation for him. WTF is it with Scottish SNP first ministers either being done , questioned or associated with alleged criminals . 

[Cranston]

28 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said:

TBF to Humza, he doesn’t appear to be involved in this at all. Just like how him giving £750k to Palestine doesn’t mean he was funding Hamas. 

You make it sound as if it was his own personal money that was given to Palestine?

[Cranston]

Just now, Jim_Duncan said:

He treated it like it was. Had we held a referendum on the matter, I doubt a majority of the Scottish public would have agreed to send the price of a Mirsad Beslija to Palestine and would have rather the money we’re used where it was generated to benefit people here. 

👍

 

Well said. He should have been brought to task for sending Scots money to Palestine. A political decision not a pragmatic one. That money could have hired nurses, or went towards Cancer Research etc, not his own personal political dogma.

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said:

He treated it like it was. Had we held a referendum on the matter, I doubt a majority of the Scottish public would have agreed to send the price of a Mirsad Beslija to Palestine and would have rather the money we’re used where it was generated to benefit people here. 

👍

1 minute ago, Cranston said:

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Well said. He should have been brought to task for sending Scots money to Palestine. A political decision not a pragmatic one. That money could have hired nurses, or went towards Cancer Research etc, not his own personal political dogma.

👍

[periodictabledancer]

1 hour ago, Cranston said:

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Well said. He should have been brought to task for sending Scots money to Palestine. A political decision not a pragmatic one. That money could have hired nurses, or went towards Cancer Research etc, not his own personal political dogma.

Too right. Should've sent it to Israel. 

[periodictabledancer]

1 hour ago, Cranston said:

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Well said. He should have been brought to task for sending Scots money to Palestine. A political decision not a pragmatic one. That money could have hired nurses, or went towards Cancer Research etc, not his own personal political dogma.

Imagine , saving Palestinian kids from starvation.  What was he thinking. Shameful . 

[frankblack]

17 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said:

Imagine , saving Palestinian kids from starvation.  What was he thinking. Shameful . 

 

Overseas aid is a reserved matter for Westminster.

 

What the SNP are doing is diluting the budget for say social housing or the homeless in Scotland.

 

As I posted previously the SNP are being investigated for not publishing a report of this spending since 2019.

 

https://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/24231107.snp-giving-away-money-scots-badly-need/

[Roxy Hearts]

2 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said:

We all know why he funnelled that cash to Gaza. 

A wee bit casual racism on here now and again! 

[Roxy Hearts]

Just now, frankblack said:

 

Overseas aid is a reserved matter for Westminster.

 

What the SNP are doing is diluting the budget for say social housing or the homeless in Scotland.

 

As I posted previously the SNP are being investigated for not publishing a report of this spending since 2019.

 

https://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/24231107.snp-giving-away-money-scots-badly-need/

What's Westminster diluting from my taxes to accommodate overseas aid? 

[Roxy Hearts]

29 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said:

Who brought race into this? Certainly wasn’t me. 

 

It’s not racist to suggest that a man with access to ‘foreign aid’ may use that cash to broker the escape of family members from a war zone.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for clarification!

 

29 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said:

Common sense, it would appear. 

What is?

[frankblack]

1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said:

What's Westminster diluting from my taxes to accommodate overseas aid? 

 

Oh dear.

 

[i wish jj was my dad]

6 hours ago, Jim_Duncan said:

Who brought race into this? Certainly wasn’t me. 

 

It’s not racist to suggest that a man with access to ‘foreign aid’ may use that cash to broker the escape of family members from a war zone.

 

 

 

 

The SG gave aid to a UN agency that provides humanitarian aid in an area of the world that most reasonable people recognises is suffering a humanitarian crisis.  Whether you think that should be a spending priority for SG (I do given the modest amounts involved in the grand scheme of things) is open for debate but that's a legitimate decision for the government to make. You are speculating about the motivations behind that decision.  Unfairly IMO. 

Similarly, I think connecting Humza with the alleged criminal activities of his ex brother in law is equally unfair. I'd be appalled if anybody connected me to the behaviour of my ex brother in law and I'm sure you have former acquaintances you feel the same about. 

Humza's judgement has proven to be poor on a number of occasions and I suspect he is a dead man walking politically speaking but your posts about him aren't exactly coming across as objective and as open to interpretation about your motivations as were his when he came out with his 'white, white, white' nonsense. 

So whether he was right or wrong, I can see where Roxy was coming from. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

There was a news item on tv last week about a day centre in Lochend Which has lunch clubs for the elderly and various other community initiatives to help those who are isolated or have mental health issues . It’s under threat of being closed . Now that’s where £750,000 would have been helpful . 

[Japan Jambo]

On 08/04/2024 at 20:20, The Mighty Thor said:

It's already happening. 

 

Whole sections have moved to India already whilst Scotland is still in the UK?

 

So Scotland, in the UK, is competing with India and jobs have already gone? 

 

I'm struggling to see what's attractive in London based finance jobs when they're all being off shored to India under the UKs watch. 

 

It's lower value add back office and call centre jobs that are primarily impacted by this and I'd suggest they aren't generally London based. London is doing quite nicely thank you.

[Japan Jambo]

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Edited April 10 by Japan Jambo

[Gundermann]

1 hour ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

It's lower value add back office and call centre jobs that are primarily impacted by this and I'd suggest they aren't generally London based. London is doing quite nicely thank you.

 

Saw this. Certainly, someone is doing well. The 1%?

 

[Dirty Deeds]

Another example of Scotland's legal system leading the way and outperforming rUK.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/10/shoplifting-crackdown-to-include-55m-for-facial-recognition-tools-in-england-and-wales

 

"in Scotland, where a similar law is already in place, the arrest rate for retail crime was 60% compared with just 10% in England'

 

Imagine what could be achieved if we weren't anchored to England's sinking ship.

[frankblack]

37 minutes ago, Dirty Deeds said:

Another example of Scotland's legal system leading the way and outperforming rUK.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/10/shoplifting-crackdown-to-include-55m-for-facial-recognition-tools-in-england-and-wales

 

"in Scotland, where a similar law is already in place, the arrest rate for retail crime was 60% compared with just 10% in England'

 

Imagine what could be achieved if we weren't anchored to England's sinking ship.

 

Is this the same Police Scotland that have said they are going to pick and choose which calls to attend?

 

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/police-scotland-will-not-investigate-every-crime

[Dirty Deeds]

6 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Is this the same Police Scotland that have said they are going to pick and choose which calls to attend?

 

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/police-scotland-will-not-investigate-every-crime

Funding cutbacks to fund Tory tax cuts. That's the sinking ship that we're anchored to.

[henrysmithsgloves]

3 hours ago, Dirty Deeds said:

Another example of Scotland's legal system leading the way and outperforming rUK.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/10/shoplifting-crackdown-to-include-55m-for-facial-recognition-tools-in-england-and-wales

 

"in Scotland, where a similar law is already in place, the arrest rate for retail crime was 60% compared with just 10% in England'

 

Imagine what could be achieved if we weren't anchored to England's sinking ship.

Brother works at an Asda,they have gave up phoning the police, unless shoplifters become violent. Copshop is 100 meters away, response time is 45 mins on average,if they turn up at all . Security now, if they get the goods back, chuck out the shoplifters and ban them for life. Only for them to return 😳

[frankblack]

3 hours ago, Dirty Deeds said:

Funding cutbacks to fund Tory tax cuts. That's the sinking ship that we're anchored to.

 

Yep - its always someone else's fault. 🤷‍♀️

[JudyJudyJudy]

53 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Yep - its always someone else's fault. 🤷‍♀️

Default position for them , as per . 

[manaliveits105]

A series of independence papers by the Scottish Government has been branded “dismal” over a plummeting number of downloads.

The volume of clicks has fallen from 78,571 for the first paper to 3,168 for the dossier covering Scotland’s place on the world stage.

The interest was also far higher under Nicola Sturgeon than for her successor Humza Yousaf. 

The Government’s Building a New Scotland series is an attempt at revamping the case for independence following the 2014 referendum failure

 

shame dat 

[pablo]

1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

A series of independence papers by the Scottish Government has been branded “dismal” over a plummeting number of downloads.

The volume of clicks has fallen from 78,571 for the first paper to 3,168 for the dossier covering Scotland’s place on the world stage.

The interest was also far higher under Nicola Sturgeon than for her successor Humza Yousaf. 

The Government’s Building a New Scotland series is an attempt at revamping the case for independence following the 2014 referendum failure

 

shame dat 

 

There will be an English based fanatic along in a bit to tell you that another independence referendum is the number one priority for most Scots.

[Lord Montpelier]

1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

A series of independence papers by the Scottish Government has been branded “dismal” over a plummeting number of downloads.

The volume of clicks has fallen from 78,571 for the first paper to 3,168 for the dossier covering Scotland’s place on the world stage.

The interest was also far higher under Nicola Sturgeon than for her successor Humza Yousaf. 

The Government’s Building a New Scotland series is an attempt at revamping the case for independence following the 2014 referendum failure

 

shame dat 

Even 78k is a terribly low number. But does show very limited interest in this now. 

[Dirty Deeds]

5 hours ago, frankblack said:

 

Yep - its always someone else's fault. 🤷‍♀️

Lower taxes means lower government spending, or austerity in other words and that's not one you can blame on the SNP.

[JDK2020]

4 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

A series of independence papers by the Scottish Government has been branded “dismal” over a plummeting number of downloads.

The volume of clicks has fallen from 78,571 for the first paper to 3,168 for the dossier covering Scotland’s place on the world stage.

The interest was also far higher under Nicola Sturgeon than for her successor Humza Yousaf. 

The Government’s Building a New Scotland series is an attempt at revamping the case for independence following the 2014 referendum failure

 

shame dat 

 

There's some will try to say that that is a sign that Saint Nicola was so much more popular and capable than the Useless idiot. I'd say it's a combination of the recent recognition by the previously brain-washed nats of her evident crookedness, and the realisation that the Useless idiot is...well, a useless idiot.

[manaliveits105]

Humza working wonders with 

Independence though -

yougov poll 10 April ;

The story is static when it comes to Scottish independence. Currently 53% of Scots say they would vote No in a repeat of the 2014 referendum, compared to 47% who would vote Yes – this is the same split as it was the last time we asked in September 2023.

 

the guid Scottish people always know best 

[manaliveits105]

Eyes down for smurf bingo ! 

[Dirty Deeds]

5 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Humza working wonders with 

Independence though -

yougov poll 10 April ;

The story is static when it comes to Scottish independence. Currently 53% of Scots say they would vote No in a repeat of the 2014 referendum, compared to 47% who would vote Yes – this is the same split as it was the last time we asked in September 2023.

 

the guid Scottish people always know best 

They do indeed 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

15 minutes ago, Dirty Deeds said:

They do indeed 

 

There’s only one poll which matters and that’s an Indy ref poll . The silent majority will cast their no vote again 

[manaliveits105]

44 minutes ago, Dirty Deeds said:

They do indeed 

 

14% don't knows in Redfield poll ?? 

and 

58% of Scottish voters cite the economy as one of the three most important issues that would determine how they would vote in a General Election, ahead of the NHS (54%). 

15% of respondents cite Scottish Independence/The Union as one of the three issues that would most determine their vote if a General Election was held tomorrow, the lowest percentage of voters ever in our Scottish polling to name it as one of their top three issues, and making it only the seventhmost commonly selected overall issue. Among 2019 SNP voters Scottish Independence is only the third most commonly selected issue (28%) behind the NHS (65%), and the economy (60%).

 

that's the de facto referendum fecked before it starts too 

 

Ach well onwards and upwards 

[Gizmo]

20 hours ago, henrysmithsgloves said:

Brother works at an Asda,they have gave up phoning the police, unless shoplifters become violent. Copshop is 100 meters away, response time is 45 mins on average,if they turn up at all . Security now, if they get the goods back, chuck out the shoplifters and ban them for life. Only for them to return 😳

I wonder why shoplifting has increased in frequency...


 

1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

14% don't knows in Redfield poll ?? 

and 

58% of Scottish voters cite the economy as one of the three most important issues that would determine how they would vote in a General Election, ahead of the NHS (54%). 

15% of respondents cite Scottish Independence/The Union as one of the three issues that would most determine their vote if a General Election was held tomorrow, the lowest percentage of voters ever in our Scottish polling to name it as one of their top three issues, and making it only the seventhmost commonly selected overall issue. Among 2019 SNP voters Scottish Independence is only the third most commonly selected issue (28%) behind the NHS (65%), and the economy (60%).

 

that's the de facto referendum fecked before it starts too 

 

Ach well onwards and upwards 

The biggest issue facing society in the UK is getting rid of the misfiring, corrupt Tories at the next GE and making inroads into starting to fix the disgusting mess they have created. 

The Scottish electorate does not share Humza's views on a "de facto" referendum - we've already met Thatcher's test and nothing happened. This is not, and would never be, the mechanism to gain independence. The priority is eliminating the Tories, though I see many of them are jumping ship before being pushed anyway, what was that saying again...:D

This does not mean independence as a movement or ideal is gone, far from it. Nor does it mean for a second that any GE votes for Labour, should they transpire, will transfer over to Holyrood voting patterns. Anyone who thinks this isn't paying attention. 

[frankblack]

15 hours ago, Dirty Deeds said:

Lower taxes means lower government spending, or austerity in other words and that's not one you can blame on the SNP.

 

The Scottish Government have had increased spending in numerous areas.

 

Its not the Tories fault Scotland is running in the red with its budget.  Incompetence at Holyrood is the primary reason.