Vegans

[Dawnrazor]

1 minute ago, ri Alban said:

33 species of birds, small mammals and lizards have been wiped out because of the psychological nutcase, which is the domestic cat. 

Correct, one of, if not the single biggest problem for the Scottish Wildcat 

Is cross breeding with feral domestic cats. 

[FWJ]

1 hour ago, Herbert said:

 

Do you like everyone in Edinburgh?

I don’t know but there are half a million people in Edinburgh and by-and-large they usually all get by.

100,000 share a street on Hogmanay with remarkably little incident for a species that “don’t like each other”

 

It is our co-operation that has helped us to become the “success” that we are and the planet’s current pre-eminent species.

[Herbert.]

1 minute ago, FWJ said:

I don’t know but there are half a million people in Edinburgh and by-and-large they usually all get by.

100,000 share a street on Hogmanay with remarkably little incident for a species that “don’t like each other”

 

It is our co-operation that has helped us to become the “success” that we are and the planet’s current pre-eminent species.

 

We have also came close to wiping the planet out on a few occasions and can you tell me a year when we've not been at war?

[FWJ]

1 minute ago, Herbert said:

 

We have also came close to wiping the planet out on a few occasions and can you tell me a year when we've not been at war?

We have but we haven’t yet (and it was our co-operation that both gave us the power to do it and the sense not to)

Wars?  Yes there have always been wars but there are far more people co-operating peacefully than there are at war.

[FWJ]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

33 species of birds, small mammals and lizards have been wiped out because of the psychological nutcase, which is the domestic cat. 

Famous example

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyall's_wren

[Ray Gin]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

33 species of birds, small mammals and lizards have been wiped out because of the psychological nutcase, which is the domestic cat. 

 

Source? RSPB don't seem to think cats cause bird declines.

https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/advice/gardening-for-wildlife/animal-deterrents/cats-and-garden-birds/are-cats-causing-bird-declines/

[Dawnrazor]

2 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Source? RSPB don't seem to think cats cause bird declines.

https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/advice/gardening-for-wildlife/animal-deterrents/cats-and-garden-birds/are-cats-causing-bird-declines/

? ? ? ? ? 

Sorry but the RSPB are so shit scared of loosing more membership subscription that they'll NEVER come out and blame cats!! 

The RSPB are not a charity that care for birds but cares for thier Bank ballance, thier record on conserving bird numbers on thier reserves is poor at best. 

[ri Alban]

52 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Source? RSPB don't seem to think cats cause bird declines.

https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/advice/gardening-for-wildlife/animal-deterrents/cats-and-garden-birds/are-cats-causing-bird-declines/

Google cat predation on wildlife, then take your pick. 

[Maple Leaf]

4 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

What gives vegans the right to intimidate folks out for a peaceful meal.

Seems they picked the wrong resturant as there was a stag do and they got shouted down and were handed their arses on a plate.

 

Two different video's one from each side.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1051012/Vegan-Protest-veganism-food-brighton-steakhouse-football-songs-weird-news

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7843076/stag-do-lads-drown-out-vegan-protesters-brighton/

 

 

 

 

They don't have that right and they're wrong to do it.

[AlimOzturk]

I don't hate vegans. Why would I they don't bother me or anyone I know. 

 

I hate Vegans activists however. 

[Dawnrazor]

2 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

 

 

I hate Vegans activists however. 

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[ri Alban]

There's a vegetarian option, you can feck off. 

 

Frankie Boyle. 

[Dawnrazor]

4 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

There's a vegetarian option, you can feck off. 

 

Frankie Boyle. 

Like the woman ordering at a restaurant 

"I'm vegan, my husbands a vegetarian, my son is gluten free and my daughter has a nut allergy, what can you get us?" 

"a ****ing taxi" said the waiter! 

 

[AlimOzturk]

10 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

I am misanthropic as I believe most people are. Humans (like most species) naturally dislike each other.  Then of course you get the bullshitters in life "I'm a people person", "I just love everyone" - usually vegans. Give me a break, since the dawn of time there has been murder, violence and war. Look at every species, 5 billion to have shared the earth since evolution began. It is nature, we love our own and that is it.

 

Had to look up the meaning of misanthropic. Never heard that word before

 

Hug waiting for you if you ever need one I8 ?

[Morgan]

9 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

 

Had to look up the meaning of misanthropic. Never heard that word before

 

Hug waiting for you if you ever need one I8 ?

 

 

With an offer like that, how could he possibly hate you, Alim?

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, AlimOzturk said:

I don't hate vegans. Why would I they don't bother me or anyone I know. 

 

I hate Vegans activists however. 

 

Yip, everybody has the right to protest and demonstrate, but storming into restaurants and trying to ram your beliefs down other people's throats is a step too far, and is counter productive imo.

[ri Alban]

2 hours ago, Dawnrazor said:

Like the woman ordering at a restaurant 

"I'm vegan, my husbands a vegetarian, my son is gluten free and my daughter has a nut allergy, what can you get us?" 

"a ****ing taxi" said the waiter! 

 

[Maple Leaf]

5 hours ago, Dawnrazor said:

Like the woman ordering at a restaurant 

"I'm vegan, my husbands a vegetarian, my son is gluten free and my daughter has a nut allergy, what can you get us?" 

"a ****ing taxi" said the waiter! 

 

Like the woman ordering at a restaurant 

"I'm Muslim, my husband is an observant Jew, my son is gluten free and my daughter has a nut allergy, what can you get us?" 

"a ****ing taxi" said the waiter! 

 

Is that as funny, less funny, or equally funny?

 

[ri Alban]

5 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

Like the woman ordering at a restaurant 

"I'm Muslim, my husband is an observant Jew, my son is gluten free and my daughter has a nut allergy, what can you get us?" 

"a ****ing taxi" said the waiter! 

 

Is that as funny, less funny, or equally funny?

 

Jesus weeped. 

[Governor Tarkin]

7 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

Like the woman ordering at a restaurant 

"I'm Muslim, my husband is an observant Jew, my son is gluten free and my daughter has a nut allergy, what can you get us?" 

"a ****ing taxi" said the waiter! 

 

Is that as funny, less funny, or equally funny?

 

 

[Taffin]

21 hours ago, FWJ said:

I don’t know but there are half a million people in Edinburgh and by-and-large they usually all get by.

100,000 share a street on Hogmanay with remarkably little incident for a species that “don’t like each other”

 

It is our co-operation that has helped us to become the “success” that we are and the planet’s current pre-eminent species.

 

I agree with i8.

 

As a species we typically only care and provide and care for our family/friends/tribesmen. 

 

We are usually wary and negative or at war with those outside of that.

[i8hibsh]

20 hours ago, Dawnrazor said:

? ? ? ? ? 

Sorry but the RSPB are so shit scared of loosing more membership subscription that they'll NEVER come out and blame cats!! 

The RSPB are not a charity that care for birds but cares for thier Bank ballance, thier record on conserving bird numbers on thier reserves is poor at best. 

 

 

Sadly, you just summed up most charities.

[Taffin]

7 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

Like the woman ordering at a restaurant 

"I'm Muslim, my husband is an observant Jew, my son is gluten free and my daughter has a nut allergy, what can you get us?" 

"a ****ing taxi" said the waiter! 

 

Is that as funny, less funny, or equally funny?

 

 

Equally as funny. You go to a restaurant to eat the food they serve, if you don't like that food, don't go.

 

You wouldn't expect Tesco to source you something they don't sell so why should a restaurant make a dish especially for you? 

 

I get your point and agree that there is a weird distinction of what people are allowed to poke fun at but it's not really relevant in this instance. 

 

If you have special dietary requirements or choose not to eat things then you tend to not go to somewhere that doesn't cater for that. 

[i8hibsh]

100k pissed up people on hogmany being used as an example of our species getting along

 

[FWJ]

3 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

100k pissed up people on hogmany being used as an example of our species getting along

 

Yeah.

I’d have thought being “pissed-up” - i.e. disinhibited - makes it even more remarkable that 100,000 people who “don’t like each other” should manage to share a small space.

[Dawnrazor]

39 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Equally as funny. You go to a restaurant to eat the food they serve, if you don't like that food, don't go.

 

You wouldn't expect Tesco to source you something they don't sell so why should a restaurant make a dish especially for you? 

 

I get your point and agree that there is a weird distinction of what people are allowed to poke fun at but it's not really relevant in this instance. 

 

If you have special dietary requirements or choose not to eat things then you tend to not go to somewhere that doesn't cater for that. 

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[Justin Z]

1 hour ago, FWJ said:

Yeah.

I’d have thought being “pissed-up” - i.e. disinhibited - makes it even more remarkable that 100,000 people who “don’t like each other” should manage to share a small space.

 

Haha, logic--doesn't belong in a discussion with this individual.

 

Speaking of which, he once got very upset at me when I asked someone to not "encourage the misogynist". He's just said above he "naturally dislikes" people. A misogynist is defined as someone who dislikes women. So was his problem with that term that he doesn't consider women people, or that it just wasn't fully accurate, and I should have said not to encourage the misanthrope?

[i8hibsh]

Just now, Justin Z said:

 

Haha, logic--doesn't belong in a discussion with this individual.

 

Speaking of which, he once got very upset at me when I asked someone to not "encourage the misogynist". He's just said above he "naturally dislikes" people. A misogynist is defined as someone who dislikes women. So was his problem with that term that he doesn't consider women people, or that it just wasn't fully accurate, and I should have said not to encourage the misanthrope?

 

 

 

 

Yes Justin, I despise women, WTF

 

 

[Justin Z]

You just said you dislike people a few posts ago, self-describing as you did, as a misanthrope. By pure force of logic, this would make you, among other things, a misogynist, unless women are not included in the category "people".

[Justin Z]

Or--just maybe--you're not really a misanthrope. But you think it's edgy to say you are.

 

Edit: Nor, importantly, are most people.

 

Edited November 29, 2018 by Justin Z

[i8hibsh]

3 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

Or--just maybe--you're not really a misanthrope. But you think it's edgy to say you are.

 

Edit: Nor, importantly, are most people.

 

 

 

No, I very much am actually.  Even  almost reclusive nowadays too.

[Justin Z]

Then you may wish to consider that while it might be a nice comfort blanket for you to want to believe that most people are like you--misanthropic--it's far more likely the reason you're miserable is you. Not other people generally.

[i8hibsh]

35 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

Then you may wish to consider that while it might be a nice comfort blanket for you to want to believe that most people are like you--misanthropic--it's far more likely the reason you're miserable is you. Not other people generally.

 

 

Anyone that classes themsleves as a "people person" is a bullshitter imo.

[Justin Z]

5 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

Anyone that classes themsleves as a "people person" is a bullshitter imo.

 

Myself, I'm definitely not a "people person", although living amongst Scots has brought more of that trait farther out in me than I ever thought possible.

 

A people person is a far cry from a misanthrope though. There's a spectrum here--much like gender, actually.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2018 by Justin Z
Edited due to lack of typing skill

[i8hibsh]

2 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

Myself, I'm definitely not a "people person", although living amongst Scots has brought more of that trait farther out in me than I ever thought possible.

 

A people person is a far cry from a misanthrope though. There's a spectrum here--much like gender, actually.

 

 

 

I Instantly dislike people for no other reason that they cough on a bus or I don’t like their face. I hate crowds, I prefer my own company, I don't go out much, I am highly irritable, I don’t answer my door as don’t wish to interact with anyone, I never socialise with work, I make no new friends and the contacts on my phone could be counted on 3 hands.

[Justin Z]

7 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

I Instantly dislike people for no other reason that they cough on a bus or I don’t like their face. I hate crowds, I prefer my own company, I don't go out much, I am highly irritable, I don’t answer my door as don’t wish to interact with anyone, I never socialise with work, I make no new friends and the contacts on my phone could be counted on 3 hands.

 

Well, what you've just described sounds like it's you that's the issue, not other people. At least, not most other people. A long, hard look at the people you look up to, idolise, whose views you hold near and dear to your heart--their influence on how you think, how you feel, the way you view others--that could use a very deep examination, indeed.

But, like I said earlier, it's a warm, cosy comfort blanket for you to just believe most people are like you, and they all also hate other people, so it won't surprise me if you decide it's not worth drilling down to the root of all this.

[Bad Religion]

1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

No, I very much am actually.  Even  almost reclusive nowadays too.

 

You refer to yourself as a "lover" on one of your other threads?

[i8hibsh]

3 minutes ago, Bad Religion said:

 

You refer to yourself as a "lover" on one of your other threads?

 

 

More as in I am not violent.

[FWJ]

6 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

More as in I am not violent.

 

1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

No, I very much am actually.  Even  almost reclusive nowadays too.

That’s a shame.

I had always thought that your curmudgeonly misanthropy was merely an online affectation.  If it is genuinely your personality I’m enough of a people person to feel sorry for you.

 

Which, of course, you can resent and dismiss as unnecessary and condescending.

[i8hibsh]

11 minutes ago, FWJ said:

 

That’s a shame.

I had always thought that your curmudgeonly misanthropy was merely an online affectation.  If it is genuinely your personality I’m enough of a people person to feel sorry for you.

 

Which, of course, you can resent and dismiss as unnecessary and condescending.

 

 

Do you feel a 'people person' at airports?

[frankblack]

18 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Yip, everybody has the right to protest and demonstrate, but storming into restaurants and trying to ram your beliefs down other people's throats is a step too far, and is counter productive imo.

 

I am a vegetarian - not for beliefs but because I genuinely didn't like eating meat or fish growing up.

 

I truly hate the militant vegans that get in your face with disgusting propoganda and are utterly obnoxious people.  A few times I've come across these people on Princes Street and been sorely tempted to take them apart.

[FWJ]

8 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Do you feel a 'people person' at airports?

Sometimes some people irritate me.  It doesn’t mean that I hate everyone.  Sometimes the people I love the most irritate me.  It doesn’t mean I hate everyone.

 

But let’s go back to airports.  Do you think something as complex as powered heavier-than-air flight could be developed by a load of people that couldn’t co-operate because they didn’t like each other?

And why would 14 million people a year use Edinburgh Airport to travel to far off foreign countries when they don’t like other people.

[i8hibsh]

4 minutes ago, FWJ said:

Sometimes some people irritate me.  It doesn’t mean that I hate everyone.  Sometimes the people I love the most irritate me.  It doesn’t mean I hate everyone.

 

But let’s go back to airports.  Do you think something as complex as powered heavier-than-air flight could be developed by a load of people that couldn’t co-operate because they didn’t like each other?

And why would 14 million people a year use Edinburgh Airport to travel to far off foreign countries when they don’t like other people.

 

 

Business and social travel the 2 main ones.  I would imagine no-one goes 'travelling' to see people.  And I am sure most keep their distance when they do.  

 

Violence, arguments, and war are almost part of our nature.  The evidenc is overwhelming.

Edited November 29, 2018 by i8hibsh

[FWJ]

Business?  You mean co-operating with others for mutual benefit?

Travel?  Well, yes.  Not many people use airports for anything other than ‘travel’.

Plenty of people travel to experience and enjoy other cultures and to meet people from these places.  Please don’t imagine that everyone else lives in a suspicious and resentful bubble.

 

If we were solely violent and warlike we wouldn’t have done the things we have and built the things we have - we would all be living in a bunker in Montana.

[FWJ]

I notice you’ve edited a previous entry to change ‘travel’ to ‘social travel’

Interesting.  Social.

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/social

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, FWJ said:

I notice you’ve edited a previous entry to change ‘travel’ to ‘social travel’

Interesting.  Social.

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/social

 

 

I may go for a social drink. it doesn't mean I want to be besties with every ***** in the pub.

[FWJ]

1 minute ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

I may go for a social drink. it doesn't mean I want to be besties with every ***** in the pub.

No, nor me.

But it doesn’t mean I, by nature,  don’t like them or even assume that I won’t like them.

[FWJ]

A wee example of the last time I was in a bar.

Last Tuesday in Glasgow after the football.  I was waiting to be served and the barman approached the guy next to me, who had arrived at the bar after I had.  The guy directed the barman to me, I thanked him, placed my order and then passed some pleasantries about how busy it was and had he seen or been at the football.

Then I collected my drinks, said I hope he enjoyed the rest of the night and went back to my friends in the crowded bar (Counting House if anyone’s interested)

 

 We’re not ‘besties’, I’ll never meet him again, it was just a normal human interaction copied billions of times around the world every day.

[Notts1874]

22 minutes ago, FWJ said:

A wee example of the last time I was in a bar.

Last Tuesday in Glasgow after the football.  I was waiting to be served and the barman approached the guy next to me, who had arrived at the bar after I had.  The guy directed the barman to me, I thanked him, placed my order and then passed some pleasantries about how busy it was and had he seen or been at the football.

Then I collected my drinks, said I hope he enjoyed the rest of the night and went back to my friends in the crowded bar (Counting House if anyone’s interested)

 

 We’re not ‘besties’, I’ll never meet him again, it was just a normal human interaction copied billions of times around the world every day.

It costs nothing to be nice..........also it's nice to be nice. Makes your days that little bit more enjoyable.

[FWJ]

2 minutes ago, Notts1874 said:

It costs nothing to be nice..........also it's nice to be nice. Makes your days that little bit more enjoyable.

That’s what I think.

I don’t expect to be everyone’s best friend but neither is my default to dislike everyone else or even to assume I will dislike them.

Seems that makes us unusual.